frequency and that beyond that it would be conjecture. my only point in this is not to say that this happened, that he is wrong and she is wrong. and i can't know that. i wasn't there. the people that were there seem to be too afraid to come out or seem to be aligned with him in some way. so i can't say that to the fbi honestly. what i can say is that he drank and he drank a lot and that is inconsistent with what he's saying now. >> just to with clear, the one thing you did say there was i wasn't there. and supporters of brett kavanaugh will say that why do we care what jaime roche is saying? he was not a witness to this. what is your response? >> my response is if we're going to have a trial, then we should be a proper investigation. right? i would not stand up and say that i'm an eye witness to this particular crime. i would say that i'm a character witness for debby and that some of the things that brett is claiming that are in defense are