mess"? >> anthony: yes. >> afrika: that's the big baba, brother rashad, that's right. >> anthony: he and his associates in the zulu nation were absolutely instrumental in shaping what became hip-hop culture -- break-dancing, graffiti, deejaying, and rap. >> anthony: is the story true that you -- you'd soak your records in water and take the label off? >> afrika: oh yes. we either, we put tape on it or we soaked the label off. um, you know, you had spies in each other's camps, you know, trying to find out what was the beat bambaataa playing. so, i used to soak it up. i used to put on tape to cover the records. and we was digging in the crates hard. >> anthony: you were, um, unusually voracious in your musical taste. of all the records in the world, how did you come upon kraftwerk? >> afrika: that came about digging in the crates down in the village. i said, this look -- type of weirdos here. so, when i took it home and i heard the sound, i said, "whoa!" i said, "this is some funky hmm!" i said, "man, this is some futuristic type of funk here," whether they didn't know they was doing some style of funk. and thus came the birth of the electro-funk sound, the miami bass sound. and, since the beginning we always pay tribute to james brown, sly and the family stone, and george parliament funkadelic clinton for bringing the funk from which the hip-hop came and the reggae and to, you know, all thepioneers of hip-hop. >> anthony: up north a ways, in west jamaica, another working-class community where subway service is pretty limited. and yet people have to get up, go to work, and often make the long hump to another borough. >> anthony: afterwards, a person could use a drink. >> anthony: and if you're a jamaican person, you could use the everyday, go-to drink of back home. anytime of day or night, wray & nephew. >> desus: wray & nephew is a very strong jamaican white rum that we use for everything from baby fever -- >> anthony: right. >> desus: -- to drinks here in this bar. you get it with cranberry juice, with milk, or water. >> desus: what water would be in any other borough is what wray & nephew is in the bronx. >> anthony: cheers, thank you. desus is one half of the brilliant podcast team "desus vs. kid mero." it's a very fast freeform riff
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