basically anything other than what the american public was seeing since releasing it. but this indictment does suggest that the special counsel's office believes he got some kind of information, was in touch with some folks at the trump campaign about these releases. >> and what does it tell you that he has been indicted on these seven counts by a grand jury yesterday, arrested this morning if people are just wablingi waking up, roger stone has been taken into custody, about false statements and witness tampering. none of those are about the crimes of collusion, this is about the crimes of cover-up. >> but remember what john just read which is really important, which is that there were contacts between he and the trump campaign and organization one wikileaks. so this is a really important point which is that he may have lied about that, the government may be able to prove that he lied about it. that doesn't mean that there wasn't involvement, it means that he didn't tell the truth about what happened. and so what's really important, though, is that if he's lying about those connections, it