like we've seen it. that would get sent to the house and would be faced with accepted or likely shutdown. now, if it gets back to the house, boehner would only need if, he was willing to support that to try to protect his members from some calamity, about 40, 50 republican votes to pass it, with democratic votes, and these tough guy house republicans who think they're going to win on this, this way, could end up getting far less than if they stuck with boehner e politically challenging for boehner down the road. >> it would, on the other hand not as challenging as it would be for boehner and all the house republicans if there's a shutdown if the public felt the same way as 16 years ago and absolutely hated it. >> bret: brit, thanks. my interview with jay carney. and stocks fell, dow lost 91 1/2, s&p 500 dropped 51/2, the nasdaq gave back three 3. the effort to get back to the

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