recovery plan, for the stimulus, and he says it's time to get away from having the cbo and other independent groups do that. so i would guess he would really be talking about his economic team and his communications team. martha: i mean, really there's only one person left on the economic team and that's tim geithner, rich lowry, who moments ago was criticized by an austrian finance official at those talks who said you know, we don't really want to be lectured by him about europe's crisis. who do you think is carville is calling out here? >> i think it's an interesting insight into the democratic mind and it's mindless panic. this is horrible advice. the other precedent car -- president carville could have cited a jimmy carter who asked for his entire cabinet to resign and accepted a # of the resignations, it was a panicky move, read as panic by the american people and reassured no one. if president obama willy