and it turns out now there are memos dated back from last july of 2010. >> bill: we know all of that. >> all right. so the point is, if he lied, and if there is perjury there, then that's end of his career. >> bill: it is perjury. >> may be the end of his career if obama miraculously gets a second term. he may have a different attorney general. >> bill: we won't convict the guy on television. two things, it isn't perjury because he didn't take an oath it is against the law as judge napolitano already has him in the penitentiary by the way. we are not going to do that here because we are fair. see how that plays out. big mistake for barack obama to come out yesterday and say he told the truth. the president doesn't know whether he told the truth to. say he did puts him in the richard nixon category and he better watch it go into solyndra. >> never the crime it's always the coverup. >> bill: solyndra, right now, the guy who was in charge of the money, he is out. another big, big embarrassment on president obama's doorstep, correct?