it. >> the thing about the irs and tax system is there are a lot of criminals who exploit it. there is tax credit fraud, there is medicare fraud. and they know, it has been talked about, the systems will be set up to exploit obamacare criminally. so they're going to set up this dragnet basically that joe was describing to try to catch those people. which they're not very good at. in the meantime, innocent people, employers who are trying to juggle all of these new rules are going to get caught in that dragnet. >> paul: is there anything here, and we don't have a lot of time, that congress can do about this? could it really x out the irs and give it to somebody else? >> we've seen a lot of funding battles in congress over how much money are they going to get those 1900 employees and so forth. but i mean, this is headed straight for october in the meantime. i don't think there is very much they can do to block this. >> paul: the rollout being in october. so the ultimate cure here is you got to repeal it. >> that's right. it's a political question. >> paul: all right. when we come back, the american press corp goes attack,