phone call? did a lot of them take the phone call? did they immediately go to war with you? what? what's the icahn modus operandi? >> i believe with a lot of exceptions, corporate governance in that country is dysfunctional and extremely dangerous dysfunctional for our economy and for our well being. and for pension funds that are very, very strongly underfunded. and what -- what's amazing to me is now you see the record, you can see what we've done. iep, if you bought 23 in 2000, up over 2200%. we are up about 25% annualized since they bought that stock, our fund, the hedge fund, up 25% annualized, the last five years, 37%. >> critics say for every one of though you have a twa that's gone. >> that's not true. i'm putting that into it. i put that into the numbers. i put the bad ones in with the good ones. and by the way -- >> you -- >> let me talk about twa for a