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culture? >> well, i think dave was the most incisive interviewer since johnny carson. i think that's why he'll be missed, within of the main reasons he'll be missed. you see the late night hosts now, what they're doing is things that go viral, the guest interview is sort of an after thought for them. for dave, the guest interview was the thing. and he interviewed, you know, people of all political stripes. it's something you just don't see in the broadcast late night shows now. >> well, he did do stupid pet tricks. >> and stupid human tricks. >> and stupid human tricks. but my next stupid human trick, i will ask you about the political edge that dave often seemed to have, not just with sarah palin, but he always felt comfortable i think being a new york liberal, he talked about gun control after newtown. what's your take on that? >> and don't forget the interview he did with john mccain when mccain was running against obama. i think you can do that in new york and that was so much of

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