engagement and go to communities where you might have your racist people and you go speak at those communities, you know, and teach people something different. so i think he should do more speaking like that. i think he will heal itself through speaking with other kids. you think he could learn his way out of racism or heal his way out of racism? >> absolutely. >> because it's a bad thing. you know, racism is not even a real thing. somebody probably had a concept of a power and racism. and then it stuck for hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of years. even with ancestors brought here through slavery. it's a bad thing, and i think anybody can heal themselves if they really want to. >> magic johnson says he won't go to a clipper game while sterling is still owning the team. i totally understand why magic johnson would say that. >> yes. >> you agree with magic johnson on that? i'm not so sure who should go to the it games. >> right. >> on the other hand, as you talk to the players who spent their whole lives trying to get to this point.