mind. here now to explain his change of heart. that was powerful testimony. what changed your mind? >> actually, my mind change came from a reassignment. for years, i was assigned to chase bad guys. chase criminals throughout the state of maryland. and i dealt with gang members, homicide investigators and i chased bad guys. i was actually promoted into a division right after a lawsuit within days of a lawsuit where maryland for the handgun permitting scheme, they said it was unconstitutional. so i actually had to learn that role and learn why we were issuing permits, who got permits, and how and so my preconceived notions before that assignment really weren't well thought out, to be honest with you. i had to take a look at it. >> there have been a lot of studies on this. they show that permit holders are among the law-abiding people in the country. 2.5 million permit holders were