would do better and be more accountable if they were private employees overseen by federal experts. >> so it is bad because of government? >> that's one argument that needs to be examined to see if it is playing a role. >> it sounds like a politics argument. >> it could be. in the bush administration we saw no security benefit it unionizing the work force. in fact, we found against unionizing it. the obamaion reversed that. so it is a -- >> so we are blaming the unions for the fact that tsa screeners can't find a bomb in a bag? it is the union's fault? >> i'm saying that's a factor because it makes it much more difficult to fire that screener who can't find the bomb in a bag. >> but if the screener can find a water bottle in the bag, if the screener can find four ounces of shampoo that can only be 3.4 ounces of shampoo, they