it, but he is commenting, and everybody in the room, did not expect cameras to be there, but they had to know what they were talking about in order to have a constructive conversation. >> it was fascinating. you and i both remarked on twitter about how the open exchange on policy specifics coming on the president was definitely orchestrating that the meeting and talking about the specifics come i will say the one part where senator feinstein says daca only bill clean, i think that's the president probably in his mind, i am guessing was saying, the daca bill that they were talking about witches border border security and daca. so i think that you give him the benefit on the doubt in that sentence. but it was fascinating. in the wake of all of the days that we have just seen of all of the of this book to have that openness in behind the scenes, you know this better than anybody, was really rare.