>> kennedy: let's talk about kanye a little bit. i thought this was a fascinating interview with jimmy kimmel. he tried to press and shame him particularly about race and kanye said i'm not going to be bull idea. do you think that he is just trolling or does he really believe what he is talking about? >> i think kanye believes what he is talking about. kanye is entitled to you his thoughts and entitled to his opinions. i don't think he is entitled to change facts. the reason why kanye has sort of come to this fame because he had slavery was a choice. most historians said not a choice. > >> greg: you know what he was talking about ideas. >> he tried to walk it back by saying ideals. he straight up said slavery seems like a choice to me. it wasn't. i think this ideal, it's not about ideals. i think he was very clear when he said it in the tmz interviewed and he doubled down on. >> greg: i think he was talking about ideas. we can agree to disagree. >> we can. >> kennedy: who does more for president trump? who does president trump a greater service? michael moore with his