michael brown, trevor martin. so is it all trump? >> you know, i like to look back to the era of george h.w. bush that we were thinking about yesterday. seems like a century ago when people could engage in civic conversation. people from different political perspectives, and try to work things out. now our whole situation is totally polarized. people scream at each other. they don't think. they don't talk. i think it is a very troubled time, and it is different from i think virtually any other era in american history but another problem we have here is our founding fathers, thomas jefferson, sam adams, you go back to any of them, they said that this experiment in mass democracy they were implementing, first time in human history, could only survive if we had an educated citizenry. that's been a theme throughout american history. >> laura: so, okay, the soliloquies fascinating.