fifth century solution to a 21st century problem. yes, we need comprehensive immigration reform. yes, we need to enhance border security. but we are not willing to pay $2.5 billion or $5 billion in wasting taxpayer dollars on a ransom note because donald trump decided that he was going to shutdown the government and hold the american people hostage. rachel: according to democrats, a wall is mid evil. it wasn't mid evil, i guess, in 2006 and 2013 when chuck schumer voted for that, right? dean: video lasts forever. i just want to add that i don't think a wall is mid evil. i think is a moat is mid evil. todd: are you proposing a moat? dean: i'm not proposing a moat but it is mid evil. rachel: do you know what is mid evil is walking, which is how people coming across the border. they get silly.