up, rings off. we joke about it, but there is a culture. that's not to say that there aren't secret service agents who do an incredible job, and it's an incredibly stressful job, but there is a culture of permissiveness, and i think we see this anyplace where somebody has a certain amount of power. of course they were at the brothel bragging that they worked for the president of the united states. of course, they did. >> it's human nature, and it's particularly common in -- >> similar to something we've talked about before, these guys, they have a bit of power, but they also knew what the rules of the hotel were, so there was a little bit of that sort of sitting on the time bomb, waiting to get caught element to this that i think we have to ask ou ourselves about. >> were you like how long -- a sort of subconscious thing. what do you think, susan? >> i think at the end of the day we'll see this play out, and some of these guys will be found guilty. what happens to them will be really important. >> what do you think about a