harold ford jr. seems to me though, as mika brzezinski -- >> it's important because -- we're not belittling your point. we're belittling you. so anyway -- >> listen to you. >> i'm joking. >> as mika brzezinski, she's labeled this, 100 years from now people will be calling this the "seinfeld" election. there's not seriousness on either side. >> not in a deep and fundamental way, no. there's no -- you know, there's no fdr, no reagan, there's -- even in a weird way, it's -- it is a more of a process election because neither side has been willing to say we're going to throw our arms around simpson-bowles or do x or y. everything, joking aside, every election has to be framed as if, you know, it's world saved, world destroyed. armageddon or -- >> as you told me earlier this