there is no question that the auto industry is lethal for romney in ohio. that story was told during the summer. the bain story was told during the summer and he lives with it. by the way, he didn't write that headline. let detroit go bankrupt. but he adopted it. he doubled down on it in a television interview and said yes, that's exactly what i was saying. >> is there a motivational pitch being made by rove to make people feel good about the fact they're still with this thing in a big way in ohio and do you think it's going to be as close as he says it's going to be? >> i think nationally you're going to see some more movement toward the president. i think he's going to win ohio by four, five, six points. i think the nbc poll out there is probably right. but rove does have this belief that if you say you're going to win, then you're likely to win. the difficulty with that is even he's getting scared. he's done this interview with "the washington post" where he said the hurricane helped the president, it's hurt romney.