so they are really talking about two different things right now. not even close. as we know, we're only a month away from the critical year end deadline. >> michael, let's talk about the president's trip to pennsylvania today where you are. why this toy company in suburban philly and why even bother traveling? would he have been better served to stay behind closed doors in d.c. to continue negotiations with congressional leaders? >> these folks make tinker toys and lincoln logs. i bet you remember both of those because i certainly do. i don't think he was drawn to the products. i think he was probably drawn to the area because this is where you come when you're trying to win hearts and minds. these are those philly burbs that are up for grabs. you hear about them every four years. they're not i'd logically driven. they tend to be fiscally conservative and socially liberal. and it seems he's here to win folks over so as to win his bargaining position when he does