me on the show. >> there's been almost sort of a conventional wisdom around keystone is that the president is going to approve it. i think it's pretty remarkable that you have members of the democratic establishment, former deputy press secretary, bill burton, heading an effort, a campaign saying do not approve this. it feels like perhaps the environmental movement is really sort of beginning to gain some steam inside you know, establishment democratic circles around this iraq. how much, how optimistic are you at this point? >> well this is a huge priority for most of the environmental community. because we see it as literally a line in the sand. and a key test of the president's commitment to really fight climate change with both fists. a couple of months ago we had the largest climate rally in u.s. history, 50,000 people came to d.c. to rally against this pipeline. and in favor of full approach towards transitioning to clean energy. and now what you're seeing is big, democratic donors, as well as former administration