facilitators. they should be trying to promote conversation promote talk inging but it's hard when the mayor of new york is undermining the the police in his speeches. he says african-americans can't trust the police. how are you promoting conversation when one of the parties feels undermined, under attack. >> they represent constituents. this mayor was electeded by african-americans overwhelmingly. and this represents african-american interest and the fact that as the father of a mixed race and african-american son, speaks very poignantly and honestly and truthfully about the danger of being a black man in new york city. but the danger that comes from the hands of law enforcement. they could kill you. >> so when i go to the question of facilitation that you levelled for us here and this idea of what we hear the facilitators saying.