reverend pinckney. he did a good job explaining our history. but then it got a bit political. i'm glad he came and i know it meant a lot to the people in south carolina for the president to come. >> why did it take nine deaths to change your mind on the battle flag? >> if you'd ask me the day before the attack and this killing, i would have said the compromise were for south carolina, chuck. i'm not going to throw my state under the bus. that's never going to happen. this compromise was 15 years old. we took the flag off the top of the dome, moved it by the war memorial, built an african monument that worked for most south carolinaen and after the shooting it did not. my state will never move forward after this shooting if we don't take the flag down. the people at the ame church, the families of the victims, changed everything by their grace, by their love by their forgiveness, making it impossible for a guy like me to say, keep the flag up. >> when you see the flag now, do you see a symbol of hate or