when millions and millions of jobs are eliminated here. what's the role of education and retraining in america? that's the sort of stuff people have to speak about. i don't think the answer is just tactics. >> i don't either. howard, are you able to speak to restoring confidence in -- i'm sorry, for it being honest and true to its message and then having one of course? i mean, there were things that happened along the way that i think turned people off more than we truly understood. >> yeah. the answer to that is yes. i agree with the economic message. look, there are two pieces of this. when i was dnc chair before, there was quite a to-do between me and leadership in the house and senate about what the message was. my view is this. we all are going to deliver the message. the house and senate leadership are going to have to deliver the economic message. dnc chair can do that. i think that's important. but it's important for the
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