as entities that are almost big enough to have their own foreign policy. but tillerson in particular is seen as being maybe the american, the living american who is closer to vladimir putin than any other american alive today. is that a fair reputation? are they that close in. >> i think it's fair to say that he has had dealings with russia for almost two decades. the deal that you mention before would have been a transformative deal for exxon. he has done deals there before. he has also part of the big project that exxon did, one of the most complex in the world at the time called sakhalin where they reached and oil reservoir seven miles away from where they drilled the initial well.