report out last week. they analyze news reports. they found during the election, trump had a 77% negative and clinton had 64%. it was almost the inverse for the full campaign. the point they were making was -- >> they both got negative -- >> they both had negative press. >> both negative favorable ratings. >> exactly. and i think the point there is the press shook these candidates upside down for two -- almost two years. what did they find out? did we really get the answers we wanted? >> was it fair? >> i think both campaigns -- you talk to the clinton people, they always feel besieged. when you let candidates decide what's fair, that's wrong. the journalism industry as a whole should sort of assess, was the coverage fair? that's what these panels like the harvard gathering were about. we come together to sort of hash out how was the coverage.