admiral rogers, have you seen this problem in your position getting worse or better? in other words, it's my information that their techniques have improved, their capabilities have improved, the degree of success has improved. is that your assessment? >> i have publicly said before that the russians are a peer competitor in cyber. if you look broadly beyond the russians to cyber large the level of capabilities of nation states and actors around the world continue to increase, can't think of a single significant actor out there who is either decreasing their level of investment, getting worse in their trade, craft or capability or in any way backing away from significant investments in cyber. >> and with all due respect to you, mr. secretary, i have not seen a policy. in other words, i don't think any of our intelligence people know what to do if there is an attack besides report it. i don't think that any of our