measures is over. enough is enough. what is left to do that hasn't been done over the last decade in terms of sanctions? nobody wants to go to the military option. if you have done almost all you can in terms of sanctions, what's left somewhere in the middle there that hasn't been tried and if it hasn't been, why hasn't it been tried over ten years? >> short answer is not a lot is left. you can cut down physically, but north korea has already begun to stockpile oil. you can try to cut off every financial flow. i think the history of sanctions shows that that won't work. there will alleges be outliars that get in there. there's black markets and gray market. north korea also is the most closed society in the world. they're willing to have their people starve if need be. >> they don't care. >> sanctions aren't the answer. >> is it a military response or nothing at this point? >> i think we're down to a binary choice. at some point things get simple, and now it's down to a binary choice. either we learn to manage or live with a north korea that has nuclear weapons on missiles, and that's some combination of
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