lawyers on the obstruction question. the one lawyer ty cobb saying, we are not arguing the president obstructed justice. john dowd is making an argument. what do you think of that? >> it is a political and public relations disaster to make this argument. now that the president cannot obstruct justice. one, you're making an argument that the president is like a king above the law. that doesn't sound great for the white house. but more importantly, you only make that argue when you're seeding the fact that based on the president's behavior he did obstruct justice. yes, his actions may seem like he obstructed justice, but that looks like a political statement. i don't read into ty cobb's argument. you watch closely, if the special counsel does move against him at some point in obstruction of justice, they are back in the legal argument that he's the chief law enforcement officer. his actions can't constitute. >> one of the friends of the show was out on axios this morning with an interesting and