images from like ole miss or birmingham alabama next to images of ferguson. >> and parkland. >> and parkland, it's arresting and depressing to see how much symmetry there is and that i would say is where i unfortunately learned most in making the film. >> one of the things that i took away and something i've been thinking about and wrote a piece for think on the msnbc website is what comes after this moment where there are all these residences you so ably illustrated in "hope and furry" airing on nbc and msnbc. fantastic piece of work. thank you very much. >> thank you, chris. >> thanks for having us. >> again, the documentary is called "hope and furry, mlk the movement and the media." i was fortunate enough to be in it with familiar faces like joy reid.