come forward. and that's why you have the -- such a unique coalition. you have the american academy of pediatrics, the head of that saying this is basically tantamount to child abuse. you have the religious community uniting, catholic bishops, the methodist church, southern baptist convention all condemning this. and frankly, a lot of republican women with laura bush leading the way on this. i think are being made to feel very uncomfortable. and so, new york city political -- no, politically it's not going to play out well. d.h.s. is estimating we could get up to 20,000 by august being held like this. it is not going to be pretty once these facilities reach capacity and overcapacity given the conditions that they're already living in, sleeping on cement block floors that they are calling the ice box. >> kristen welker joins us now from the briefing room where sarah huckabee sanders' daily briefing has been pushed back