it's the same argument. >> paul butler, what do you think? >> if donald trump knew in advance about this meeting where allegedly the russians were going to provide dirt on hillary, three other crimes in addition to the campaign finance ones, obstruction of justice because he dictated a memo about this meeting are that was a lie. it was obviously an intent to throw people off, including the prosecutors. if he knew that the dirt was coming from hacked e-mail, he would also be guilty of computer fraud under federal laws. >> no. no. no. >> conspiracy to defraud the united states. >> none of that is true. >> jared kushner -- jared kushner said under oath in congress that the president did not know about this meeting. so what mueller does with that is possibly -- >> i'm not sure kushner was under oath. >> i'm sorry, don junior. >> lying to congress is a crime. >> don junior testified under oath the president did not know about this meeting.
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