but the chances of paul manafort getting off scott free are extremely low, extremely low. they've got a paper trail a mile long. >> how mad do you get, michael, when you watch somebody and find out that guy got away without paying taxes? nothing to do with how much it was, ten bucks or ten thousand. >> that's where this gets really interesting for a lot of folks as they watch this narrative unfold. the one thing, going with your football, opening day analogy. >> he went to baseball too. he went all over. >> is the optics of it. and that's the one that i think that donald trump can't control here is the images of the court. you know, we don't have tv inside the courtroom. so the narrative coming out of the courtroom he can't control. the optics from what's being drawn and the artist sketches can't be controlled. and so mueller has a keen -- i think a keen advantage here in laying out the case in a way all he needs is one conviction on the 18 to 20 or whatever charges are before him. he doesn't need all 18.