it in that context. regardless of how this plays out, will it still hold up in the history books, given the fact that you have president trump who says this is a witch hunt and there's no collusion, is it conditional on anything or have we already passed the thresholds with the indictments you mentioned? >> this is the rare time we're living history and we know it. and every day the challenge is to explain that, the great reverend meacham, regular on "morning joe" told us we're not so much reflecting history as making it. but will this matter to president trump? will this matter whether he has two more years or six more years? you look at the polling of republican voters and it looks like amid the evidence, he could