Phobic motive. I strongly condemn this act it is an attack on our free and Peaceful Society and as far as we know the suspect was neither known to the state Intelligence Office as a xena phobe. Nor did he have a Police Record comes out its the shia shrine and its at the very latest now with Political Correspondent hans brought with me here in the studio on the ground and we have a reporter. Data both of you are part of whats the situation where you are right now. Well ive just observed a number of forensic scientists going in investigators going in to one of the neighboring buildings the site the bar where the 1st shooting took place theyve also taken theyve also chalked off areas of interest on the sidewalk and on the steps leading up to that building behind me that White Building and and and so the Investigation Continues obviously they found some interesting things that may help them get into the background of what happened here and exactly the sequence of events which is very important and we had talked to a 100 high witness earlier but for someone to have seen everything there i dont know if theyve got anyone like that thats why they have to go step by step and try and figure out the exact sequence of the of the of the rival time for the alleged assailant etc of the of the shooting of the of this sequence of events and build their case from there are pod you mentioned you talked to a witness to part of that sequence of events what did that person have to say. Thats right he owns a sports bar there are a number of sports bars here as such as the 1st one is it the one where the 1st shooting took place he owns a sports bar about 50 meters away from there so just piecing it over here on the corner and he hears loud sounds and right away he says to himself thats a gun and he runs out he hears about 67 shots and he sees a man on the sidewalk and its over to my right at that cream colored. Building theres a man on the sidewalk right in front of that green colored building and he goes over and the man still breathing but eyes are closed he told me and he runs back and you know we order says 21 guests he had counted them 21 guests to go back away from the window and get deep into that club its a sports bar and also the it was last night was a very important night because if this assailant really wanted to get a lot of people he had a plan he had it planned well because it was a Champions League game like she was playing and so a lot of these bars here make their money from showing broadcasting the. Big soccer matches such as Champions League matches especially with the german team in it so they figure they get a lot of people and that really wasnt the case that that 1st shooting area there there were only supposedly 2 people in there thats why the shooter got those 2 people in there got 2 people on the sidewalk one in front of the cream colored building that i told you about and also one way behind me where he had his car allegedly park and as shot someone there in that area and then took off for the other area where he continued his shooting spree so anyway the witness had had run back in into his club told his people his customers to get away from the window and then he comes out again and now thats about 56 minutes and the 1st Police Officer comes by and he walks across the street here that im pointing to and sees that 1st person on the sidewalk the 1st victim on the sidewalk and and then somebody else has run over to start c. P. R. On him and apparently that person did not make it so. In any case now. Theyre outside for a few minutes more police cars have arrived and then even though it took place about 2 kilometers away he hears gunfire again he could hear it distinctly from here and all the sudden now the Police Officer wondering whats going on and within minutes other squad cars are screaming down this other street going to the other area to deal with the 2nd shooting. And so. He goes back and hes decided hes going to close up here etc for the night because its its too dangerous and hes come out today and i had the fortune of meeting him and he went into the details of what he saw and how incredible this entire scenario is that Something Like that could happen in a in a city of like this 100000 people you might they can all big huge metropolis 10000000 people could happen but here theyre shocked hans authorities are treating this as an act of extreme right terrorism what evidence is the government preserver. Well if thats been confirmed officially that the political background is right wing extremism that has been confirmed by the interior minister of the federal state of which is where the city of homs where this incident took place is situated the official in charge of investigations there the highest official has confirmed this is the other confirmation consists of the fact that the federal prosecutor in germany has taken on this case and federal prosecutors only take on cases that have some sort of significance for the german state that are directed against the german state in other words theyre treating this as a terror attack in addition obviously we have the evidence of the side and the video that the alleged perpetrator alleged gunman published just days before he committed these acts which point to his extreme right was right wing convictions conspiracy theories about. The strange organizations that are controlling germany that had controlling the United States and his apparent conviction that. Germans need to fight back against the kind of wave of immigrants coming into germany so clearly the victims of these attacks were very largely people with an immigrant background it seems details are emerging now of the suspect as well 42 year old German National was he from hannah yes indeed hes a 43 year old man who was born in 177 went to school. To university he was someone who was involved in some sort of finance business maybe in banking or something similar. And someone who appears to have been. Not on the screen of the oath or a tease it seems that he has never been. Controlled by the police that he was not known to them as someone of right. Convictions in some sense somebody very normal somebody you would not suspect of an act of this kind some of the security analysts that have looked at his writing in german. Video that he published come to the conclusion that he may have been a very isolated individual somebody who appears not to have had much contact with women for many many years who have appears to have withdrawn into a kind of world of conspiracy theories into into in the internet and this is something that is quite similar to other. People who have perpetrated such attacks in the United States for instance or in new zealand elsewhere ok now the shootings indicate a certain level of proficiency with weapons what do we know about his weapon ownership and the type of weapons that were used in these killings is he did have a firearm license he did have legal firearms in his possession which is not a matter of cause a matter of course in germany not everyone has a fire here he appears even to have had a hunting license which means that he was allowed to have. Possession of rifles and you know howard firearms and he appears to have been involved in regular shooting exercises in some sort of association or club so he was quite familiar with firearms thats for sure lets go back to haunt and associate now are part of we could bring him up in plays. We just heard there. From hans that we have a right wing motive that were working with right now an act of terrorism ive even talked to people there about their thoughts on this. Yes and theyre not ruling it out its an area with a high immigrant percentage of people a lot of people with immigrant backgrounds mainly 1st and foremost from turkey then from the former yugoslavia and then recently from syria afghanistan and ethiopia and perhaps sensitivities have been touched on because of this these these influx of the people. From other parts of the world but they told me the people ive talked to told me you never really felt any tension on the street because somebody speak another language or theres a Little Community developing here from people from other parts of the world was never like that what does exist here and has for quite a while is some poverty and a lot of people have 2 jobs just to make ends meet and theres a drug scene here theres a drug problem and knifing started not uncommon. But its to use a gun to kill someone thats rare happens every couple years Something Like that one person is perhaps murdered but its its rare its every few years theres Something Like that but. You know a shooting spree mass murder that that never even occurred to anyone here that ive talked to at least and its just a big surprise in and shock for everyone. One the bar owner who was the witness i was talking about earlier said sometimes you know if you some people have too much to drink and then theyll Say Something to someone who they assume is an immigrant and you let it go he says you know he said its the more the alcohol talking hopefully then their true feelings but again you never know and when as hans described it you know this guy was not on the radar. Not any Law Enforcement agencies hes his own wolf yes and no long wolf in that hes got this plan in his head but you know he believes in a big picture by right wing extremist organizations and so you know in that in this site in that indirect ways hes part of that supposedly and its difficult to defend against that especially if youve never been on the on the radar screen of and you want fortunately agency how do you defend against Something Like somebody like that a d w has of course been out talking to other residents and witnesses in hon al lets take a listen now to what they had to say as sources. Does it simply unbelievable that Something Like this could happen here in hanau if you could see that there are heartless people who could simply shoot at others who arent involved in anything what is next thats going to even be in physicals and in the thick of. It was like a massacre. Around page there was blood everywhere people on the ground. About 10 pm i came downstairs with my 2 small children. My parents live just around the corner. 2 men were waiting outside the law. And i think this attack was delayed 6 or 7 minutes because i walked past with my children. With. My kids and i were in good spirits. I live 100 meters from here and when i went upstairs i had 567 shots thats what i saw and. My friends uncle was shot here behind us as the kiosk and we came here to express our sympathy. So. I know i was at st johns a silver surfer on the one hand you feel a bit powerless and on the other hand i dont want to call it fear but its Something Like that that you have to be afraid to go out to go to a bar. Also a good. The word is treating this as a terrorist act hans can you tell us something about the statistics for right wing extremism in germany right now is this has been increasing quite significantly in recent months and years the german internal Intelligence Service reckons that there are Something Like over a 1000 incidents of rightwing violence per year in germany in other words its a daily occurrence not all of these obviously all as extreme as this but there is a daily right wing attacks on various people and just a bit attacks anti muslim attacks attacks against people of color that sort of thing in addition to that they are another Something Like 10 or 12000 incidents of rightwing criminality ranging from. Swastikas being sprayed on. Tombstones to all sorts of other similar incidents so its a very very significant number of incidents and another significant number of people involved there are a baulch 60 at least 60 people that can. Be capable of these kinds of attacks and 12000 supporters that are supportive of such a right wing violence picked up exactly on this issue a short while ago i talked to young son pierre hes a security expert and Counter Terrorism analyst in frankfurt right now is actually based here in berlin i asked him what what he thinks based on the evidence we have so far. Well as your your colleague mentioned obvious its there are hours ahead of us it seems to be going a lot faster than in previous cases what weve seen in the house and enough. Case in the other far right. Extremist attacks of the last couple of years to were seeing and you prioritize nation better resources and they seem to be much quicker on top of the situation based on earlier cases so thats already a good sign the fact that the general state prosecutor in the National Prosecutor in germany has already taken over the case last night is already an indication of how fast this investigation has been going ok now before we went to air we had time to talk a little bit and you said you have some information about the letter and about the video of the alleged perpetrator can you tell us what you know about the documentation for. Well its very much in line with whats been said with Christ Church and. While its a letters and statements have been made to link to far right terrorist acts over the last 18 months or so and again mentions theres a star a strong focus on the notion of great replacement the this is a doctrine or mentality within far right circles that has been. Is about 40 years old and has become very prominent around 2011 and thats very thats fueled a lot of to theories a lot of the motivations behind the attacks of course and again even more prominence in germany after 2015. The fact that the influx of refuge influx in 2015 was seen as a sign of just a conspiracy of the great replacement to respond to replace people in their own countries with migrants. And this is seems again to be the deed to framework and under which this attack took place what about the preparation necessary for this level of attack 11 people dead 9 of course in the 2 she should bars was this a lone wolf or based on your experience your analysis what do you think. Well were similarly dealing with it with a lone actor not necessarily lone wolf but a lone actor so in the same way the same that weve seen again in christchurch and complexity a couple years ago in holland however this support is digital now. And whether or not its going to be interesting to find out just the extent of. The suspects Network Online what type of support you know what which websites to be consulted we already know about the you tube video posted up a few days ago so we know hes very active online. What do is followers say because you have followers all these elements show that in the end the support that he received whether it be moral logistical postie financial we know that with the price search they he received money from from austria that support being digital that he did not act alone. Per se and this is a situation terms of the suppress the cation if you already have access to weapons. Planning its not that big that means you only need to prepare a statement find his targets and fire away so that the preparations that these types of attacks remain can you know why theyre so successful its important to point out for viewers this this is speculative right now were still waiting for Police Confirmation on this where were proceeding along the lines of what were getting from Security Experts and where moving on with the german Media Information there. This does come as there have been in the past few weeks a number of raids on extreme rice right wing militia groups can you fit those 2 pieces together for us this and the militia raids by police authorities. Its certainly a great concern weve seen over the past year and numerous groups forming whether they be what south groups or smaller militia types of the 5th face or the defense framed organization that aim to defend germany against invaders do something against migrants and whats seen as appropriate politics and more and more of the group of these groups have been popping up and last week over the weekend actually there was one of these groups who had planned a large scale attack in germany was targeting high profile politicians journalists mosques and so. Today or last nights attack. It will let lexically fits into that general set of lines that that is unfortunately fueling a lot of these groups whether or not that person was affiliates affiliated to one of those that impossible to say at this point in time however there is a brother mindset Brother Network at play a tendency in which were seeing both the small militias as well as long actors acting on their turning thought into action young some p. R. Sturdy expert and counterterrorism advisor thanks so much for now for bringing us up to date on some your sots there. That interview was recorded earlier since then the state of hessen has confirmed that they are treating this investigation this case as an act of terrorism. Fears is one of the deadliest shootings in the years here in germany can you give us some perspective. Yes indeed its certainly the deadliest right wing terror incident that weve had for quite a few years. Recent comparable incident was in munich in 2016 when a young man also of right wing persuasion went into the streets and started shooting wildly and killing about 10 people at that time there have been a couple of other rightwing attacks recently the most recent was in october the attack on a synagogue on yom kippur in the city of holland where 2 people were killed at that stage. What one can say is that the number of right wing terrorist or fall right attacks and acts of violence has significantly increased in germany in recent years one of the reasons no doubt that the chancellors canceled all the events on her agenda in her calendar shes remaining in berlin whats been some of the political reaction in response to this we are expecting a statement from going back over the chancellor in about an hours time as she has not responded in a political manner Spokes Person has expressed his condolences to the victims of this attack and the fact that everyone. Thinking about them and their families they have been political reactions from parties across the political spectrum i think there is a consensus almost everywhere that these rightwing attacks are attacks on the german system of democracy the german system of freedom and that the judicial system and the system of. Living freely together is going to defend itself against such attacks that has been the response from the social democrats for instance also part of this government from the conservatives the leader of the conservative party and so on theyve also been associations such as the Muslim Association which has said similar things these are attacks against in fact may. The victims are likely to be muslims against freedom of speech against living freely against democracy and needs to be defended need to be. Stopped and similarly the Jewish Association in germany has. Responded in that way ok another response lets go back to now was the state parliament in has been held a moment of silence was a very solemn moment to suffuse hours ago are the repairing here on the w. In the state Parliament Whats whats the mood where you are are those that mirror that that element of of solemn solemnity. Very much so solid is the word to describe this city today and that feeling might last an awful long time because theyre in shock that Something Like this happened im looking away from in that direction and there are groups of people on the Street Corners talking quietly to each other about how such a thing could happen there are pockets of people everywhere in this town where ive gone just very quiet quietly talking to each other shaking their heads and just being in disbelief that a mass shooting to take part in it takes place in a in a town in this city a small city of of of about 100000. 00 where basically people were getting along with each other high immigrant population but i mean one gentleman who i believe is of turkish descent he was the eyewitness i was talking to earlier today i mean he he was he was he grew up here i mean this is this is his town and he was proud to be part of it and there were hardly ever any incidents about regarding his own ethnicity and things like that still. Based on things like that and theres so many people like in here thats why people are in such disbelief and so shocked about what happened were seeing Police Moving around behind you right now whats happening at the scene why. Its going on right now behind that tape the police tape where you are in hanna. Right more forensic investigations are going on the building the White Building behind me. Theres obviously some items of interest for them because theyve been dealing with that building for at least 2 hours now and they have isolated items of interest theyve put little flags up in chalk marks around the asli something very interesting for them theres a about 4 or 5 of those markers there and theyre going into the building to theyve gone up at the steps gone to just the upper steps area they found something perhaps very interesting that could help them in the further investigation of this case and not just there obviously along the entire street here from the point where the 1st murder took place here that the cream colored building where the 1st person was shot in front of it. To into the into the bar farther down the street where 2 people were shot and then on the Street Corner where another 4th person was shot. On in here on the street. There theyre looking at everything in the area live from the scene and on now are pod so easy for us we have much more throughout the day from our pod and from as well here in the studio lets bring you up to date on this breaking news story a suspected far right terrorist who shot dead at least 10 people near frankfurt here in germany and the suspect opening fire at 2 bars in the town of ha now he said he was later told himself and his mother their bodies were found at their apartment in the town the suspect has been identified as a 43 year old German National he left a letter admitting to carrying out the killings and also posed with a video on you tube expressing racist and extremist views federal prosecutors are true. The killing as an act of terrorism will have more our twitter feeds because. Europe. What unites. What divides. The money and. Driving force. What binds the content together the bad guy answers and stories aplenty the big. Spotlight on people. 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