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Or traditional release my return for the presidency. To whatever it is its not good news for the president of the United States i would love to give them. Im not going to do it while im doing the court has reaffirmed the congresss authority to conduct oversight on behalf of people. Also coming up tonight dying elams nearly all of madagascar ours iconic lemur species face the threat of extinction. Forestation and hunting of the knights for their fight for the bush may something that you know hes always going to mean bad news for these animals out there in the wild. And to our viewers on p. B. S. In the United States and all around the world welcome we begin the day with the rule of law that even a u. S. President has to respect today the u. S. Supreme court. Are handed down 2 rulings in cases connected with the u. S. President trumps tax returns in one ruling the judges said congress had overreached in how we tried to force the president to hand over his tax returns a clear ruling for limits on the power of congress but in the 2nd case the judges ruled that federal prosecutors in new york may indeed ask to see the president s tax returns as part of an investigation now this means the public could eventually see trumps tax returns as well but it will not happen before the november president ial election trump one more time today but the final verdict in the court of Public Opinion that verdict is still out donald trump is often compared himself to former u. S. President Richard Nixon and that comparison will forever be strengthened by one of todays Court Rulings just as the court ruled that president nixon could be compelled to hand over those hidden tapes inside the oval office the court today ruled that trunk must if subpoenaed hand over those tax returns the courts chief justice a conservative noted the public has a right to every mans evidence since the earliest days of the republic every man has included the president of the United States here is what President Trump said today about the rulings blooms were basically starting all over again sending everything back down to the lower portion to start all over again so from a certain point satisfy the point im satisfied that this is a political witch the likes of which there she orders and you know we turn to the south just like them all are in this you could use a hoax that i want and this is not a hoax this is purely political morning. So here we are the Supreme Court including the president appointees have declared that he is not about the law and how what theyre even saying about it i hear hes tweeting one thing. And then other people are saying another but whatever it is its not good news for the president of the United States the court has reaffirmed the congresss authority to conduct oversight on behalf of the American People as it asks for further information from congress congresss constitutional responsibility to uncover the truth to ship it late related to the president russia connection that he is hiding the congress will continue to conduct oversight for the people polled in the separation of powers that is the genius of our constitution there was nancy pelosi speaking there earlier today for more on todays rulings im joined tonight by Scott Anderson scott who served as a Legal Adviser at the u. S. State department hes now with the Brookings Institution and teaches law at Georgetown University law school scott is in washington d. C. Tonight welcome to the days god its good to have you with the court today said that the president is not above the wall when were talking about the Justice System and gathering evidence what does this ruling these 2 rules what do they say about the american Justice System and what do they tell us about the current u. S. President. Well they certainly serve as noted victories although in some ways limited victories for the rule of law at some point do you think of the 2 opinions separately the vance opinion related to a subpoena against the president or for the president s financial records i should say to a bank by the state of new york and a Court Essentially affirmed that the state of new york can proceed without subpoenas entitled to that and for information that the president doesnt have any special protection by virtue of being president to prevent that information being disclosed thats been allowed the state of new york to continue in doing criminal investigations another investigation the same way it would against other Business Leaders but its not going to lead to the disclosure of that information becoming public simply because theres still a grand jury process and other protections disclosure the information that the state of new york has indicated that it intends to respect the 2nd case the mass arias case was by several committees in congress and in that case the courts report came back and said contrary to what the president was arguing yes there are in fact a range of cases in which congress can subpoena this sort of information about the president from 3rd parties banks in his account in this case and that that is not such a High Standard that the court argued to make it so the party that the president argued to make it a century in pot one fact there is a variety of situations which with the congress may be able to do this but it also said it still implicates a separation of powers and its important that congress and the courts weigh the different factors regarding Congress Interest and the executive branches interest and reach an accommodation or found between them and what remained of those requests to the lower courts to reexamine those factors as it felt they had not done so adequately scott today the u. S. President tweeted his outrage over these rulings and he said that other president s have enjoyed broad difference by the courts but not him what does he mean by that and is that true. Its not clear entirely what he means deference is usually a sort of term we associate with other sorts of legal questions not really implicated here in this case we have seen president s be forced to comply with criminal investigations such as happened to president nixon or question information there weve seen president s have to comply with civil investigation as happened with president clinton in regards to apologize and certainly the vents case at least is very much consistent with the mazurs case regarding congressional requests is a bit of a new novel question at least as confronted by the courts in this case but again it confirms what most people expected which is generally consistent with the law as it understood the United States which is that congress has a substantial authority to request this sort of information perhaps some limits in extreme cases but still substantial authority and this affirmed that was again something that the president was arguing against and we know based on todays rulings that new york prosecutors they will probably ask to see the tax returns and see those tax returns now if these documents if they become evidence in a criminal investigation and if there is enough here to issue an indictment what happens to donald trump if hes reelected president and what happens to donald trump if he is not reelected it becomes private citizen dont withdraw. A certainly becomes a private citizen its a likely scenario that we will see the president have to answer those charges same with any other private citizen would at that point the separation of powers concerns and other concerns regarding the impact on the president his conduct of this role and his ability to exercise his function as president being hampered by any sort of litigation or criminal defense likely isnt going to be implicated if you are means in office and the president is no doubt only going to argue that as long as im in office the fact that this criminal investigation is going to severely hamper my activities as president means that i shouldnt have to face these charges least so long as im in office and that if the United States or if the u. S. Institutions want me to face these charges congress can impeach me and then i became to question as to whether really congress is going to be willing to take that step ive driven from office and force him to confront those charges or whether there may be some other legal avenue by which the president may be held accountable that is a fact pattern that we havent really encountered before in this case so squarely by the president being cruel and prosecuted by the state and raise a range of novel legal questions but all of which are highly problematic including for the president let me ask you this about the legality of the deal before leaving the white house scott there has been talk that if the president were to leave and see if there were to be another impeachment trial that maybe he would resign and he would resign only with a deal to have immunity after leaving the white house would that be legal is there any president in u. S. History for Something Like that happening. Thats an interesting fact pattern that i have not actually heard directly before in terms of resigning and trading away the office of the presidency that would be a pretty exceptional thing for the state of new york to demand in that regard to the masters case or for congress to demand in regard to these subpoenas which again are just requesting information i find it hard to believe that that would actually be a condition that either party would put forward or or seek out in the research or to go if the president wants to resign to reduce scrutiny on him he certainly can do so he may resign and then seek a pardon from his Vice President who would then be president get the pardon power in the case of my pet thats a possibility at least that was discussed in the context of Richard Nixon did happen in Richard Nixons case i should say course president ford then pardoned nixon after he left office but again its not clear whether pence will play along with that here its really would raise certain eyebrows so i dont know how serious they would take any of those concerns at this point particularly because not many of these matters are likely to come to fruition before the november elections almost all the work of come to fruition afterwards you know its a very good point we want to remind our viewers scott about the controversy over trumps tax returns trump says that his taxes are still being old its been a long period for the old it 4 years ago before the election i spoke with nick checks and hes one of the only journalist ever interview done with trump about his taxes in this is whats next and said in july 26th seen about trump not wanting to release his tax returns one of the things i wanted to i was looking for because im an expert in tax havens i was looking for donald trump using tax havens and i asked him a couple of times about this and he said he said you know i dont use tax havens because you can get everything you need in the United States and you may doubt his words that many says a lot of things that people dont believe but i think speaking about the tax tax experts in the states they did find that well as a bull because it is just so easy to get right down to 0 you just dont need to. Use them and he told me you know that complicated nobody knows whats going on tax havens those kind of difficult things to to use and you know it is plausible his new line of business is licensing so his name reisa singh his name yes so he will get somebody will will say you know were going to build a building in india will saudi arabia or someone like that and we want to put the trump name on the top and hell say yes you can do that and you pay me you know a few 1000000. 00 of the franchise owners like right and so hes doing that all over the place and he told me hes hes got 121 of these licensing deals in the pipeline well wait and see what comes up its all the money hes getting then from these overseas. Buyers is that money coming directly into the u. S. Because thats a great chance for for him or for anyone to keep it offshore exactly i mean that was one of the things one of the sort of hypotheses i looked at and i think theres no evidence that hes doing any of that in a very aggressive way no evidence that i could find that hes keeping that all showmen it was you know that what types of buys as you said he could be doing that we want we cant see it because his types of as a secret he hasnt released his tax returns those tax returns would answer these questions so that was the state of play 4 years ago not a lot has changed there but we know the president may be trying to a board more than just tax troubles Scott Nancy Pelosi today say congress is not finished investigating the president the court today the Supreme Court did not say that congress has no right to see trumps tax returns the court had a problem with how congress had tried to obtain those returns is that correct. To some extent it may be more proper to say that the Supreme Court had a problem with how the lower courts valuated Congress Requests assented to lower court said hey these are requests to banks and accountants not to the president himself so they dont really implicate major separation of powers concerns regarding the executive branch and the legislative branch we dont need to evaluate those concerns from court came today and said no you actually do even those to a 3rd party it can affect the executive branchs interests and you need to look at them more closely and therefore going to remain and for it to you and force you to take another closer look bearing in mind a list of factors they sort of identified so it doesnt mean that congress cant get these filed off anything i would read the opinion suggesting they can in certain circumstances but it did indicate there are strong countervailing interest in the executive branch that the lower courts in Congress Need to take into account and sent the matter back to the lower courts to make sure that they are taken into account Scott Anderson with the Brookings Institution helping us to understand these rulings today coming up from the Supreme Court scott we appreciate your time your insights tonight thank you. Thank you for. The. Researchers estimate germany is home to about a 1000000 people of African Heritage and many of them say racism is part of their everyday lives too young berliners have been talking. About their experiences. Dancing as an a staver tabi but that wasnt why she stood out in school she stood out because she was one of their a few black pupils at her school in southern germany i live on a file of a pretty much all my friends were white i didnt look like they didnt didnt do the same things at home that they did and in a way i always had the feeling i had 2 identities and had to read just depending on who i happened to be hanging out with dancing gave her a feeling of belonging because when she danced it didnt matter what color her skin was but in everyday life people make comments to put her in a box she says. Things like a whats your university or what you were high school these things make it hard to feel at home because you dont look like the others and you dont have your roots here. All. The time in addition to her studies anna has a job as a social worker she supervises a group home for youngsters with mental disabilities but im saying when i get on the subway train sometimes i feel the looks like get in a certain tension for example that someone holds their bag a little closer or somebody will scrutinize your hair or your hands you just never know is it admiration like wow what beautiful hair shes got or is it discussed you never know. Because sony is a billionaire as well she will start sociology studies this fall shes very close to her mother realized very early on that her daughter was treated differently from white children. About. She took ballet lessons like any go she wanted to dance ballet in a pink tutu and jump around and she came out of the trial lesson totally dejected and she was 3 years old and she said mom or i dont want to be brown anymore moments like these spurred into action she started a playgroup for afro german children so at least once a month her daughter would have the feeling of not being the only black child that process must look at racism can really be hurtful many people want to hear about these experiences they might think oh well its once a month no its every day when you go out every day if you dont get a job or an apartment you applied for its not always for racist reasons of course but thats always one of the 1st things you wonder. Me hopes that the current debate about racism which changed societys perception of people of color not just short term but the long term to. Hungarys parliament passed a law in may that prevents transgender people from changing the gender recorded on their birth certificates now critics in the q. Communities this effectively ends legal recognition of trans people or did you news spoke with some of the people affected by this law to find out what it means today. Software engineer event took a big decision to change gender and start a new life shes still young has a successful career and says she feels lucky. My friends have accepted me as i am hardly anyone has turned their back on me. But for events hungarys new law is a step backwards. In hungary you always need your i. D. Whether at a hotel renting a bike or at the post office and every time thats a risk for me because i dont have to out myself as a trans woman. The law makes it impossible for people to legally change the gender critics of the government say introducing it during the pandemic was undemocratic bad its a politically popular move for Prime Minister viktor orban. Found a topic that fits both his opinion and the view of most trying to gary and thats how he can keep his voter base together even when were going through an economic crisis right wing premia isnt commenting nor is the minister responsible for the law but a year ago a speaker of the hungary and parliament defendant the ruling food dish party. Were accused of being populists and to european islamic and homophobic just because were here to our culture and traditions. The young actress or delo nobody was the 1st trans woman on the cover of the hungary in edition of elle magazine she no longer feel safe in hungary where she was picked on threatened and assaulted she fled to berlin. I think its horrible because. Its now already if you want your your name and. And identity because i dont have rights there transition homosexuality are not widely discussed in hungary many think they should stay private transgender people find the policies of especially troubling. The Government Strategy is to find a convenience. For them not trying to improve peoples lives just to achieve their own men as. He did in a dog feel is the new law will poison hungary and society and could drive her out of her country. Their outlook is not good nearly all species of madagascar as iconic lemur are in danger of going extinct lemurs are among the many species unique to the island in the indian ocean now the International Union for the conservation of nature says that a 100 in 3 of these surviving 107 species are in danger their latest report calls for a fundamental fundamental reimagining of the way people interact with nature the organization classifies 30000 species worldwide as at risk of disappear. Those numbers are not good lets bring in Christophe Spencer now he is in the Primate Specialist Group at the International Union for the conservation of nature he is a specialist in this its good to have you on the program just how close are we to losing these species of lemur. Yet we are indeed very close to losing salty species i wouldnt run into any of them off to you have the ability to bounce back even from very low numbers but the rarest of all the limos pieces which is the north and sports safely nocturnal little species of about 6700 grams of all the weight is now down to just under 100 individual limas in the wild when you think about them thats not very many at all so there are a couple of villages here go out lima hunting on any noise such as. That may actually will be it for thats feces so thats really very im im scarily clever use to extinction of this doing a bit but in the next one probably has about 400 individuals left on the walls and so on really that will let me ask you about you said you have some villagers going hunting for lemurs is is the status of lemurs now them being endangered does it all come down to human activity or are there other reasons for their imminent extinctions. No it doesnt all come down to sheerman activity and mother gus ko you get a lot of slash and burn like recall just small scale subsistence agriculture other than for example or example in Southeast Asia where you mostly get some large scale commercial agriculture in madagascar its really all small scale farmers who grow a bit of rice. And then they chop down some forest for that some by grow the royalties on the on the 1st haul soil for a volunteer and through materials for a years time a saw is on 1st all any longer and then they move on the a couple of 100 metres down the road and do the same again. In the phosphor that when they were very few People Living in mother goes down the whole island was forested that was very sustainable practice but now with 25000000 People Living in mother guscott and 90 percent of forest lost already its not sustainable at all and thats actually threatens limas quite dramatically on the other coming threats is hunting them as i mentioned them so that has really increased dramatically over the past id say one of 2 decades. It was always known from Continental Africa and we always said actually mother doesnt really have these high rates of lima hunting but no it has and now that is really threatening in running lemus in addition to the chorus loads and christoph weve got about half a minute here just want to ask you weve talked about lemurs tonight but whats the overall picture in terms of species going extinct. Of the 120000 species that are on the all you see and read list of say roughly one quarter on know in the 3 threatened categories of vulnerable endangered and critically endangered and thats a lot of primates have ferrets quite a bit worse because they are you know large body size and in many of these some rather poor countries are being hunted as i mentioned about overall its about 25 percent of all species on the red list in the thread and cousin grace christoph fitted with the International Union for the conservation of nature Christopher Reeve be sure your time in your insights tonight thank you thank you. Well the day is always done the conversation it continues online you can join us on twitter either w news or you can follow me at brant goth t. V. And remember whatever happens between now and then tomorrow is another day well see that. Justice for the victims of the stripper and the genocide thats kathryn. Human rights advocate wants to identify each of. 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