These thefts left wounds that have yet to heal what should be done with the stone north from africa. Or stolen soul starts september 7th on g. W. They could all be silent spreaders. No symptoms like coughing or fever but they could well be passing on the coronavirus. Many doctors say only mass testing can break the chain of transmission. With the increase of cases in the neighborhood i think its good for me to know if i have the virus or not theres a chance im asymptomatic i dont know that they are. I live with my mother whos on to. Analysis and of course you dont know if you have the virus or if youre asymptomatic. But the u. S. Centers for Disease Control and prevention has changed its testing guidelines to exclude people who dont have symptoms even if theyve been recently exposed to the virus. Thats got alarm bells ringing some experts say many patients appeared most contagious right before the onset of symptoms models suggest half all transmissions can be traced back to people before they get sick if they get sick at all well lets talk about this with Health Care ExpertJohn Campbell are retired nurse and academic who joins us from england john is this change in c. D. C. Guidelines dangerous. Well the New York Times certainly seems to think so the New York Times says this was done quietly and he said it was done to exclude people who had been in contact with symptomatic individuals but if you actually go to the centers for Disease Control website its slightly more nuanced than that its to advise in people with mild symptoms to be tested and of course its still advise in testing for people that are in care facilities or work in were working in hospitals for example what is actually saying is people who have been in close contact and the fine close contact is 6 feet which of course we would call 2 meters or less for more than 15 minutes what its actually saying is they do not necessarily need to be tested now they can still be tested at the discretion of their nurses or their doctors or that clinicians or according to local guidelines so its actually is a change of saying its not necessarily that they need to be tested so its a bit of a new wants to change that but i still think its a problem because this means we could have people that are in contact with known cases who could then be developing the disease and we know that a large proportion of people are asymptomatic initially now about half of those people that are asymptomatic initially will go on to become symptomatic eventually but its interesting that late is day 2 a showing that people are most infectious immediately before they become symptomatic and in the 1st day after they become symptomatic and of course the symptoms can start off as being fairly mild so what this means is you could have a lot of people going around who are shedding large amounts of the virus that we dont know about if we dont test them just in case that been exposed trying to talk about that i think that it is if i can just so now youre talking about a large amount of people ive read studies that show up to huff those infected with covered 19 show no or hardly any symptoms doesnt that make this fight almost impossible. Well it makes it more difficult youre absolutely right that i just met her Analysis Shows about 40 people 47 percent of people might not develop symptoms but about half of those will go on to develop symptoms over time but many will have a mild disease but it is your body is very difficult its very hard to fight an invisible enemy and the only way we can make this enemy visible is by reporting symptoms or by testing we need to test people and as well as that we now know as well as testing those various other things we can test for in the blood to screen people as well that it would be a good idea to do anything we can do to make this virus more visible is going to help then we can target our isolation we can target quarantine its a new mcminn much more specific and targeted in the way were attacking this virus trying to tell me how can we even know how many asymptomatic people there are out there if they havent seen a doctor if we dont have that medical data if there are even enough tests to do the math testing and talking about. It is remarkably difficult you can sometimes you can tell to an extent by the amount of people that become symptomatic in the future and the amount of people that become hospitalized and even the amount of people die but the main way that we do this is with anti gen surveys now Different Countries do this in different ways but in the u. K. The office for National Statistics will test about a 1000 random households throughout the country for the antigen and because the testing randomly in random areas they can extrapolate that up to the whole population so it is quite possible to give fairly accurate estimates so all we need very accurate estimates of how many people in the community are infected at any one time and thankfully in the u. K. In germany at the moment thats relatively low in spain its much higher and its also climbing quite rapidly in france as well john what about age does it play a role when it comes to being a symptomatic. It does its about 27 percent of children are genuinely asymptomatic and only about 16 percent of adults remain asymptomatic now many more has to be stressed many more are asymptomatic reappeared of time and then become symptomatic but it remains the case that more children remain completely asymptomatic than adults 27 percent of children and about 60 percent of adults just because theyre asymptomatic doesnt mean things are going on in the body if you do x. Rays and c. T. Scans you can actually see changes that are going on you can see changes in the blood so even low people arent feeling symptoms there can still be physiological change but the proportion of people who are completely asymptomatic is smaller than we did think at one time john great to get you on the show today John CampbellHealth Care Expert coming to us i dont have an english thank you will some blame young people for the resurgence of the coronavirus in germany they say theyre not sticking to social distancing ropes is tessa vita. We are in the center of a possible corona hotspot butlins central this neighborhood popular for its bozza nightlife is now seeing a rise in infections we are still around but most young people didnt seem to be worried to be some agreed to talk to us but want to stay anonymous we actually understand. Scared to get infected. Well no not at all i would not go. On if we dont think about it at all we just want to go out they said that a 2nd wave would come and so why would it be triggered by people going out we dont know how long time has come around us and the last so you can just keep being scared like. Yeah all the time so infections and many are rising and theyre rising fast hotties on the street problem the boss and best friends are in the spotlight were going to check out this iconic buy here in berlin before we go in im going to put on my must. Inside we see that germanys strict hygiene measures are being upheld people keep their distance and just a great amount of your khyber everyone wears a face mask when moving around inside the customers are allowed to take it off one seated at a table. But that seems to scare people off tonight only a few sorrow when coming in their guests to say next door i didnt have to wear a mosque i hear then they turn around and leave so my feeling is that as a you are punished when you stick to the regulations another rule customers are required to fill in these contact forms with their name and telephone number but thats also a problem. I cant believe that mr donald duck with this weird address came to the spot but look for yourself. You have all. The district of the limiter ones to fight the corona. The virus by making more random inspection its not bots theyre bringing sources unlimited explains them namely. We can only do so much that we have just under 50 employees they walk in shifts 7 days a week but we cant do more than just surprised checks. One of the inspectors come check every box but that presence might remind people of just how serious the situation has become in the end things can only improve if guests show more responsibility. Over to Derek Williams now our science correspondent has been busy answering your questions on the corona virus. Has there been any morrison action to people catching cave at 19 twice. This week researchers have for the 1st time reported 3 scientifically documented cases of people being really infected with sars cove 2 after having it once lots of anecdotal cases have been reported before but this time the Scientific Evidence that reinfection really does occur is strong because the researchers say they sequenced the strains that were isolated in the 1st and then the 2nd infections and showed that they were genetically distinct from one another now its important to note by the way that that all of these claims are unpublished and still have to be confirmed by other scientists but but if they prove true what does it mean while an interesting take away from me is that one of the patients had classic coded symptoms the 1st time around but was asymptomatic when he tested positive the 2nd time around which which could indicate that his immune response was keeping it under control so thats encouraging but the fact that the tests were able to. Detect measurable levels of the virus and him the 2nd time around also begs the question of whether people who get covert 19 again could infect others even if theyre asymptomatic that we dont know most experts say that this development while were a gang is not unexpected based on what we know about our room immune response to coronaviruses in general almost no one expects acquired immunity to sars cove 2 to be permanent but but until we have a lot more evidence of this happening to a lot more people the questions of if and when people on average can be reinfected and if theyre infectious if they catch began those questions remain pretty open. And a warning from the c. D. C. With winter coming in many parts of the world his director robert redfield. A bad flu season can really put certain hospitals into. Medical stress situation coburg obviously has the potential were so important with flu and programming at the same time that we really try to take flu off the table as much as possible embracing the flu vaccine is one of the most important things we can do finally i leave you with these brave amputees in japan and paralympic athletes whove taken to the cap walk to raise funds for medical work as a col she has organized the amputee been issued the fall but says shes brought it back to show how people can overcome the coronavirus allocate games i said to stop this week in tokyo that is until the virus that ive been fizzling see against. Enter the conflicts are confronting the powerful 4 months to go to the president ial elections in America Donald trump is sinking in the polls another former National Security advisor says he isnt fit to be president anymore john bolton is my guest this week from washington how much damage trump has also done to america and the rest of the ethical action. Conflict. Next on. Your d first sentence they gave hope. To something thats the same name and family fled syria ive years ago and came to germany. You caught up with them. How are they doing today. Was that hopeful promise fulfilled. Focus on europe. In 60 minutes on the w. I think its everything 1st arabic a muslim. So much different culture between here and there challenging for everything. The. Commission just as i think it was worth it for me to come to germany. And i got my license to work as a swimming instructor. And i wanted to children other girls described just as. Much your story take part cherish on inform my greenstock. I dont think he understood what he was doing and he wife talking to big guys you know the guys get together and they do big guy things but you did accept it for 17 months didnt your wife saw a lot of principle where you removed the presidency is probably a lot action snatched by impeachment this summer were repeating some of our more memorable interviews like this one recorded in july with John Bolton Donald trumps former National Security adviser in a new book you maintains the president is unfair for all 1st time here fact if you destroy strums defense against the charge that he abused his office why didnt bolton tell what he knew to the impeachment hearing earlier in the year and how far did chairman corrupt his own government machine. John bolton welcome to conflict zone. I agree with you thank you for having when you became Donald TrumpsNational Security adviser you wrote that you thought you knew what you were getting yourself into it starts true why work for and give your loyalty to a man labeled as a serial liar. Well i viewed the loyalty that i owed and i tried to live up to to the constitution in the country you know were not a Medieval Society you dont have a legal or the new personal loyalty to its not the mafia or Something Like that and the fact was in my view the country faced some serious challenges i think a number of. National Security Policies during the Obama Administration had been misguided there was a chance to make a contribution and. Certainly went in with my eyes open but i believed least at that time that we could have a more regular process a more typical if you will Republican Administration and notwithstanding the risks i thought they were worth taking. And the risks they include the onus the and integrity of the president will lack of it in that matter to you. Well it remains to be seen as far as i was concerned how much of this was Campaign Rhetoric by the opposition i had had as i recount in the book a number of conversations with donald trump before the election during the transition in his 1st year in office we talked about all of my views on the key issues he had watched me on fox news for nearly 10 years i assume he was listening to what i was saying i certainly wasnt shy about sharing my views and therefore when we talked about working together and. The role of the National Security adviser. It struck me it was entirely possible that we could Work Together and the issues of his character would not adversely affect the Decision Making on National Security issues that as a general i eat i dont i dont think i was naive. And i thought it could be as as many others did who came to work for the administration that it could be made successful now the book really is the story of whether that turned out to be true or not obstruction of justice is perhaps your most serious charge against trump you talked about several episodes where he expressed a willingness to halt criminal investigations to in effect give personal favors to dictate as he liked to the turkish leader. Even to xi jinping anyone else. Well i think these these were the most obvious but. The whole concept of dealing for example with a lot of your putin is if the assertions of our Intelligence Services were the moral equivalent what putin said on behalf of russia. Was another aspect of it and i felt that this was an extremely serious defect interims to formants on the investigations of. Bags c. T. E. Rahway and others spoke with the counsel to the president spoke with the attorney general really their domain to take a look and i say in the book that they were troubled by this is the this is the ukraine case that everybody is familiar with that there was the kind of last issue that i dealt with before i resigned and its become the most famous but my point really was it was only one in a series terms pacu you said look like obstruction of justice as a way of life which you said we couldnt accept but you did accept it for 17 months than 2 why so low well you know a pattern by definition is something that doesnt emerge all at once. And the personal dilemma that anybody in a senior position faces is the knowledge that youre not going to prevail on every issue i like to say i was the National Security advisor not the National SecurityDecision Maker in each of these cases as they came up i had conversations with others in the administration certainly didnt feel that i was alone and my view. Of the seriousness of these issues but i think its a very personal decision. To try and decide when finally you have to resign versus whether you can keep doing what youre trying to do because of the issues presented you say you shared your concerns about this pattern of obstruction with key members of trumps in a team the attorney general bill barr secretary of state my pompei oh you say bar told you he was very worried about the appearances trump was creating just the appearances is that all that worried him. Well look at the reason i informed him and the white House Counsel cats lonnie and others was because theyre the ones responsible for enforcing the legal guidelines and boundaries. Which they didnt do it with i should let me finish for a 2nd its not my job to be the prosecutor its my job to tell the people whose responsibility it is what i was saying and let them decide what to do the fact that i didnt know what they were doing a didnt surprise me and the fact is we dont know what may be going on you know its very easy for somebody whos never been this kind of circumstance to just announce their moral purity and stand out and virtue signal my view is that that in in service to the country. That there are a lot of factors to be taken into account and. The duty that one owes to the constitution faced with this kind of president isnt simply to make yourself feel good bye bye by issuing. A virtuous pieties but really more by trying to get the right thing done so it to take the example of ukraine my focus was on getting the security assistance. To ukraine the trunk was holding up to get that the liver and. That finally succeeded as it turned out the day after i resigned but that is the focus i think that. In my job it was my responsibility i told several members of the n. S. C. Staff to speak to the lawyers to told them what we had seen and they did that that for field their responsibilities. And and i thought that was the proper course of the officials you alerted to trumps obstruction of justice what conclusion did you draw from their lack of any substantive reaction that trump successfully corrupted the government machine and made it life for him. Well i think its. Its pretty evident that. The number of people in inside the government. Who will instability you can like that or not like that but the constitution is very clear and if you dont want to carry out an order the responsible thing to do is to resign and if others in the government are not carrying out their responsibilities that thats a matter for them and their conscience and how they see their job what is it about dictators and despots that term so if the other tell you. Know and im not a schrank i dont psychoanalyze people i think others others like to do that and god bless them if thats what they want to do i think that trump in a sense in the paintings and the and the bladder. He liked talking to big guys you know the big guys get together and they do big guy things i think it was that simplistic i didnt see any evidence of. A relationship that would be improper or constitute undue influence i just think that was part of trumps simple simplistic view of relations with foreign leaders especially authoritarian foreign leaders lets take a north Korean Leader kim jong il and you were present at 2 out of 3 meetings between trump and kim you said there were times when we were very close to making concessions that i think even prior administrations like the clinton and Obama Administrations wouldnt have made was trying willing to give away the shop what kinds of concessions do you mean. Well i dont think he understood. What he was doing i think he he longed for a deal with north korea on the Nuclear Weapons program. I dont think he studied the issue closely enough to know what the ramifications of different terms that were offered were i think ultimately in the case of the whole noise saddam at the 2nd meeting where he did walk away from a proposal by north korea that i thought entirely inadequate he did so because he knew that if he were to accept that it would have produced a volcanic political reaction in america from the Republican Party and he fundamentally couldnt do that and that really was the sort of reaction the troubled me the most that he didnt approach north korea or much else on the basis of philosophy or grand strategy or policy imposed on the basis of what was politically beneficial to him now look every democratic politician in whatever country takes politics into account in their Decision Making it goes with the territory its not only not something to be surprised that it would be surprising if they didnt take politics into account the difference with trop is qualitative its the its not just a factor in Decision Making on serious issues sometimes it seemed to me to be essentially the only factor he took into account a lot has been made of trumps supine attitude to Vladimir Putin his unwillingness to raise difficult issues like election interference is time scared of him. You know i dont think hes scared of him and and helsinki to be clear putin himself said at lunch. After the one on one meeting the 2 of them has that it was trump who had raised. Election interference issue i think its very important for people who observe. Who have to make decisions on whether to vote for im or people who report on him to be accurate in their criticisms theres plenty to criticize. But when people stretch beyond what they need to to make the criticism it doesnt strengthen the case against trump it weakens it in boltons many of his supporters to say were victims of a conspiracy by the press or whatever fake news says that sort of thing so when you have Latimer Putin saying that trump raised the election interference issue at the helsinki summit i think thats worth taking into account if you want to criticize trump if you criticize him i did but be accurate about it. Though detailed records going to wash all the bows no do you its all records from 5 of trumps meetings with putin since taking office and the least one occasion in the 2017 he asked for the interpreters notes and ordered him to say nothing about the discussion which does indicate doesnt it had something to hide from these discussions i dont know what it indicates i was not in the government in 2017 i can tell you in the case of the helsinki. N. S. C. Staff did speak with their interpreter and got a pretty complete readout of what the 2 leaders discussed which turned out to be mostly on syria mostly putin talk and. You know i think that trump is very mistrustful. Not only the bureaucracy as a whole but but even his own staff i think it reflects the way he did business in the Trump Organization and i think one of his problems as president is that he still hasnt fully. What it means to be president of United States as opposed to the head of the Trump Organization how credible is trying to claim not to have been briefed about reports that the russians paid the taliban to kill american soldiers you were National Security advisor in march last year when this information apparently surfaced. Well there have been press reports not a fact then you know press reports are sometimes wrong and in any event i have said repeatedly im not going to comment on that because it doesnt. Intelligence i can say with respect to the information reported about this issue and 2020 that is surprising to me that it wasnt briefed to the president the administration itself has apparently said it was in the president ial daily brief during my 17 months at the white house i never saw any evidence that the president read the p. T. B. In terms of whether or not it was briefed and said and i think its important for people understand that i agreed with susan rice who has written in our bed where she said if she were a National Security adviser and that information had come to her attention shed have gone and to the oval office and told to bomb and i like to think i would have done the same do you buy the story which is being put out by your successor as National Security advisor Robert Obrien as the president s career cia briefer decided not to brief him about this because it was under verified intelligence she made that call and i think she made the right call does the system work like that. Well it didnt work like that when i was there nor did it work like that under my predecessor h. R. Mcmaster at least as i understand it. The issue when you only provide an oral briefing to the president twice a week is how much are you going to try and squeeze in a limited amount of time and thats usually the sky. Preliminary meeting right before going in to see the president with the director of National Intelligence director and cia the griefer of the time and myself you know it would be better if the president read the materials and study them more carefully i think that written materials tend to be a more efficient way to convey information certainly the president s always free to ask questions and that is to be encouraged but its despite what some advisers to the president has said he does not consume as much intelligence as you should. Lets talk if we may about the 2800 murder of the saudi journalist Jamal Khashoggi by saudi operatives in istanbul october the 15th that decided to stand by the saudi leadership and even wrote their excuse for them suggesting it was a rogue operation but it wasnt a rogue operation was a. Well you know im not going to get into. The intelligence that the United States had on that i can say that the president decided that he was going to stand by the saudis and. Because of the importance of the relationship. That position i think when he. Was in a way verified by Vladimir Putin in a conversation i had with him in moscow he said but you dont want to sell weapons to the saudis you dont have to id be happy to sell it is that what it really comes down to whos going to be able to sell weapons to whom you gave a free pass to a government that brazenly chops up its political opponents a lot of peoples countries not just to the saudis but to every other state the u. S. Does big business with but tortures and murders its own people doesnt that worry you. Well you know i was once the churchill said if. The devil were opposed. He would have found it in his heart for a kind word to say on the floor of the house of commons you dont you dont always get to pick who your allies are. Difficult unstable or the world nobody in the administration condoned what happened you can show theres no question about it but we live in a harsh world. 1 you live in a world where i wonder how many of the untold masses jailed for having opinions in saudi arabia and other despotic states that the us but friends would go along with your statement that the greatest hope for freedom of mankind is the us if a country can finesse missed the question is the best hope for mankinds freedom then god help my nerves. Well look here youre entitled to your opinions and im glad and proud to be an american citizen and there isnt any country in the world that has done more to protect human freedom in the United States period close quote. Lets talk about iran if we may so many bad deals to kill you once wrote so little time the one that you really have in your sights over many years was the Iran Nuclear Deal wasnt it and in forcible that you better go. On in forcible you called it im very fireball and adequate ration and scope but you wanted to kill that deal with nothing to put in its place over the objections of key members of israels military and intelligence stuff who regard iran as their number one many of them didnt see a way to. Well i think you have it wrong about israel i think support for the us getting out of the Iran Nuclear Deal in israel is overwhelming you may have noticed some things are happening in iran their. Centrifuges simply planet natanz apparently had a severe accident that theyve not revealed fully there are other explosions going on around the country i dont know whos doing it but im glad somebody is doing it i dont know whether its the precursor to taking down the entire Nuclear Weapons and Ballistic Missile program in iran but. It certainly is a step in that direction the fact is i dont trust the ayatollah as in the regime i think they consistently withheld information from International Inspectors they lied about the nature of the program for 20 plus years until they were caught time and time again in those lies i dont think they ever made a strategic decision to give up Nuclear Weapons and i think the u. S. Decision to pull out of the deal. Caught them by surprise and left them in a very difficult position its a hugely unpopular regime in iran and hopefully the day will come when the ayatollah as your swept into the dustbin of history. If we could just go back to ukraine you decided not to give testimony the house impeachment hearing you didnt like the way the democrats handled the process you called it impeachment malpractise if you thought the president was abusing his power wasnt it more important to get the warring about procedural issues isnt it more important to get a result again youre back in the virtue signaling posturing mode of politics and thats just not the way i do things the democratic malpractise which is what it was left the situation worse than it was before the impeachment because the way they conducted impeachment in a very partisan fashion essentially guaranteed a partisan outcome and the outcome was that the senate acquitted trouble so the impeachment advocates said that the house action of impeaching the president he would be deterred from engaging in the kind of conduct we saw in ukraine but they had no way of getting 2 thirds of the senate to vote to convict so having been acquitted trial they dont only did not the church him they empowered him they removed the impeachment guardrail is a huge mistake by publishing this book what ive done is to try and lay the facts out before the real judges not congress but the American People we have an election in 4 months the American People will speak i trust their judgment more than congress but the election isnt a substitute for the constitutional provisions for removing a president from office a very sensitive and so you think. What do you think the lections are if theyre the principal constitutional path to doing just that page that has occurred 4 times in American History and no president has ever been convicted only nixon resigned and what distinguishes. The watergate impeachment proceeding from the 3 that failed Andrew Johnson bill clinton and donald trump the democrats worked in watergate with republican samara and of north korea and North Carolina worked with howard baker of tennessee and they produced a growing feeling. On a bipartisan basis that nixon had to go by ignoring that relatively recent precedent the democrats guaranteed the outcome we got that the and this this is a i think a very fundamental point about democratic theory the principle way you remove president s is by elections not by. Were 4 months away from the next of those elections what is true in blues is by a small margin do you expect to go quietly or organize some go of bizarre National Emergency to try and stay away. Well maybe you would tell me what evidence you have that hes planning to to create a bizarre National Emergency. For those in arizona didnt see the vote it will be the most corrupt election in the history of our country and we cannot let this happen so youre making the same mistake as many critics youre exaggerating with valid adequate evidence and i hope youre right that i know from your questions you obviously despise trunk thats fine and i understand that but but the way youre approaching it makes it difficult for those of us who are opposed to him getting another term to make the case to americans who want to know what the facts are that thats something that you know the people will decide here in 4 months and well see what the outcome is before you get hyperthyroid that it lets see what happens jumbo then thanks very much for being a conflict zone i enjoy the. The be. The big ready. Sentence they. Offered us this a lamb and family fled syria years ago and came to germany. 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