Billionaire for the foundation, the researches africas problems and rewards. Those who try to solve them. Fuzzy ever lose faith in africa, the feedbacks in some countries. Unfortunately, one of them is my country. But we, we would find a way for one of the core of africas problems, he says is bad governance. And why is it still so prevalent . How was it that African Leaders voted themselves immunity from prosecution to the most serious crimes and whats behind the refuse, or some states to condemn most goes invasion of ukraine . Is it paid back for the rows of colonial occupies while we behave most welcome to come pick some thanks, dave, us, youve tried so many years to promote a governance in africa. In some countries youve had some success, but the violence never seems to go away. And su, don, the country of your bus decades of fighting another killing has become again, an honest how personal is this conflict to you . Is very bessler at stan at work. And ill be able to have a bit of this. And what we have here is 2 sides to this. Fighting a button in an hour capital each side wants power and with power comes financial resources. Its still a blessed story and this is story of photos. Yes. I made it to the cause is essentially old story unfortunately. And enough is enough for all those guys, despite the treasures by both sides to respect humanitarian principles, that hasnt been the slightest effort to avoid civilian casualties. Why is that they dont care . Absolutely. I dont see the shift each of them think they can. Somehow, when this dont, they cannot be, were not here. They cannot be one of the only who was us ever this find this losing. And so that these people are losing. The little infrastructure we have is being destroyed, detective really isnt a mess. And most civilians are buying them soldiers. Its, it is, it is very sent. Do you ever lose faith in africa . No. Despite to this, thats going to get, but thats when can 3 out of 54. 00 can cause on index. In the last, over the last 10 years, you know, we would use an index, somebody, you have governance in africa. The majority of episodes of applicants living in a bit of government countries that 10 years ago. So are moving forward. Thats it backs in some countries. Unfortunately, one of them is my country. But we, we would find a way for what but this conflict is youve also said is taking place against the really dismal tapestry of back, sliding democracy as the number of states, bad governments. Youve quoted africas own goal. And you said we are responsible for how much of africa shit is your sense of responsibility for this . We okay, this define governor governor to z d. I bought a number of, of, of deliverables. One of them, of course, is human rice delivery. A bunch of patient is here today. I dont, the boxes are corner me, then please. The human developments and the rules of security and the picture. The bishop is really mix. Yes. To course, over the last 10 years, i forgot made the progress in the area of introspection and human development, mental educational because i had a non secured, not security as little of little is going down. And actually why, why is the connection between the 2. That the problem is marginalization of minorities and sometimes a its, its intrusion, a creative assessment. Uh. Then you have also extend the factors like Climate Change with your end up with conflicts between they have those of the farmers. And if thats not to manage, it ends up its, there is like a conflicts like happening in the 4th. I didnt have a claimant on nat geo, but she has been using malicious to sort out the probably the end up and see 100000 people get. So it is, it, is, it mismanagement also of Natural Disaster habiting because of climate. Thats one in you. You said earlier this year we started to see qu data, which we saw it was something in the past. We started to see this phenomena of a strong man. Its something we need to fight back against. How do you fight these so called strong men who are entrenched in the countries across south africa . Protected sometimes by foreign policy, often by criminal games that kill for the sake of it. How. How do you fight back against these . I think young young people are looking at whats having them comfortable. We had a strong binder and so then for the test to use in todays shed, jenna. But she was infection about 430. 00 is created for this military organization on how it is not enough for him to have an army. He couldnt get into the support forces and called him him, might be, you know, and just had that for him at the is my board section. And the, the Collision Center just has an army. His party has him an issue. He had ordered the stuff, which is just kind of kind of just quotes. So to use, hit the same kids who grew up on the hes or those are the guys were dying, is a city for them. Oh gosh, a, this is a and b will will give us whole because they will not accept the soldier. They will not accept at tyler need. They will not accept the death of ships. And you went to just the need for 3 years now. Were going solution for them because the young people would not accept this or just you, you say you say that you say that, but thats one of the more depressing by products of conflict and back governance is that africans are showing increasing tolerance for the role of military and politics, according to Afro Barometer report last month, that view is particularly strongly young people, 18 to 35 year old. After a barometer reported that over the last decade, opposition to military rule has declined significantly. Now a slim majority, theres a majority, is willing to accept military intervention if elected officials abuse the past, that has to be dangerous for them. Of course, at least it is dangerous as the problem is you take, given a for example, we have to have, as look on the app using fall off his power and then trying to deal with the constitution someplace the, the, the, the position. Im fed and a guy who was a democrat before getting paula didnt paul, it gets to his head and now being the data, when electrical came again, is this guy you understand why people say oh, as one is definitely a good thing for him. So dont know, 3 this important competitor. Cool. Yeah. Happy to get rid of the really a corner of civilian who really abusing is the constitution end up losing his body if uh yeah, if they can get rid of some but then, but then the problem is you are, you are a blessing the sock on was a different, i mean that, that is, it doesnt look like that. Thats why i, i, its people need to live that there is lots of loss to, to seek z for of a bad z that its also important to know what youre going for in this is that instead of ending up mid support your community. Cool again, is that somebody effort to decide whats the tim, tim, about about the, the, the, the strong man. Unfortunately, this is something we can passion of work. Look only in africa. Our guys in africa, lou cut out. And the c o just string been strong. Mean all about the place, you know, and we have something that states will have delta t last, russia will have china web for the beans. What, how many strong men are then . We see this fraction of a song people is, is coming back again. One of the best i was, i look at this and say all that is wonderful when it comes to do like, are already about why i cannot be like to order those out. And why cannot be like this is a painful, strong man, unfortunately. And we need to wake up to that is not an applicant phenomenon. Its a global phenomenon. Id like to talk back and go back to the bottom of this has taken place since the done at the moment. Um, one to violence according to the un. Which of both sides trampling on humanitarian. Now, back in 2010, the New York Times bureau chief, east africa, reported on how come back in africa had moved from soldier verse a soldier to soldier versus civilian most of africas fighters. He said what rebels with the coolest people, predators, and for them, tara became not just a means, but an end. To what extent is that still look, this is, it is unfortunate to pay for that and im coming from countries of last week. Ill have the like a blank was in the list in the last few years. Unfortunately, we thought we finished. Im thought that was you cool. You know, this era in the seventys sixties and seventies, where every morning we used to have a course im letting africa was finished. Unfortunate is coming back and something we need to be careful about this then that game is an extra division question. I mean, i know it is, is today is to say this, but in all honesty, do we need armies in africa. Why do we do that . What does the job of items the item is suppose to protect you . Important . Who is it and the african categories . I think i dont have applicant categories to, to have any, was it between african countries . I dont recall any. This is why you need the arms. Whos been though, is this money to get those guys, bags and guns an arrow blades when i want the one to come on to that to. Yeah, im in a moment to, to i, i just, i dont think we need it. It is all nice. And those guys has been doors as many of them, and then they come much with us with the copy that i mean what is last week . So does government told the Un Human Rights Council that it was basically none of the u. Ns business . What was happening inside to done was an internal affair. They said, im a student, these armed forces. So of course of launched attacks, and this strikes intensely populated subsidiaries in the capital. As you said, it was simply doing the constitutional duty. What do you say to a government like that . Does it make you angry for the hobby bombing its own people in the capital is just doing its constitution, but the government does look at the look of the shipment. Who records those guys . Government, its the only government they have. I just it always people just took it by by, by guns. Yeah. Look, you lifted that know to drive, look at it, but yeah, i mean, those guys just, you know, making themselves lot of shows in general those on the f. I never things act announcing this while the african states that African Union actually is, is, is suspended. So then thats it, thats all theyve done. What else comes they do . What is the problem . Is the applicant here that hasnt well just on the bottom me for a long time, which at this time the force of the epic i do in the action be finite and should be on, then it is able to go on deals or those claim. And those of categories and whatever, unfortunately, ethic under that hasnt been, hasnt go did. She has plenty of good. You. The tensions doesnt to but it doesnt realize all the motor power. What happens assignments with guns by one and t 20. Yes. What happens . What, what about 6, what is the account . Forget about africa. Now, what about security . Because why does this security account a . I think a lot of people forgotten about the schedule cause is defined by the veto, is that the 5 cause, i guess, is by lice. But what is the whole lovely order is in a mess the whole public, the whole, the whole world of this, you know, all these global instructions. I miss you quoted accounts. It is important. Cannot do anything. Yeah. For, can you open the thesis . They dont have the means to accept it. Theyve had all the exhibition at least more of the wage. Which of these accounts have kind of even but, and so were not seeing much of that. As far as i know the, this is i did it in fred, this is, i did it. We had a conference 2 weeks ago. Ive had most of our keywords on the old guys in the conference and was clear what the stand ones they want to do. That if its, if it is, comes to kind of go through their cars, not even its, but its on obedient. And whats going on for them shift for you have access all over the come to do you, have you talk to either the generals that are causing this contract and so down at the moment i know i, i dont have enough Common Ground even to start the conversation, i believe was those guys have given us the should end up and take will they of i to i hold of it. I hope so. Whats the, whats the chance it was one day it would come one day look. But she had ended up in prison. I literally said, oh, what, but, but she industry, nobody can touch him. He wasnt prison. So what happened to me, im excited about what happened to african quotes, pushing for african solutions, and offering african accountability. What happened to that i thought from guinea in Central African republic, where the trial, i think is important to support the i. C. I o projected to there is an attempt to replace isis. He was an advocate court. So i dont think that was the right decision actually. And again you look at the way that quote was legit you which is which is cannot. It cannot but its cute but is it is yes i gave one cells in the other 2 for me. Exactly. Sure. So i, as i said, why is i yeah. Is this going to end up really persecuting taxi drivers and official men, but theyre not like what its gonna do is that why it is a special court . Its, its, it just, its city. It just some, but its just want to protect themselves from vice receipts and that was a bundle of what to do a im sorry about that. So then no quick fixes for this was done thats going on and it will spread to the region. So maybe spread to west stuff. What has that . What about south to down . Is that next . Okay, is it a Different Institution . So, so that ive come to it, but i think we cannot give up, but then well have to deal with it quickly before the fire splits, photos, all these will continue to hold. What i mean as it is very encouraging to see United States is involved. So you gotta be as involved, both of them fancy show stuff definitely can do and you have this in for them. And yeah, it does involve the cost is invalid. So our messages, yeah. Most of those guys would have thatd be conference in there will be our foundation. I know those guys was there and the message to everybody is we need to speak with one voice now or the voice. Or do you hear about kansas was one voice, and we need to ensure that we would this fire out would need to buy and any x most of our through the division of death. And we need to be able to look either we have or were going to go often. You. So you talk totally about foreign armies being in african countries. I think there are 13 for an armies actually at the moment in various african countries. How healthy do you think it is for africans to, to welcome in rushes, musson to the group of course, 5 minute, for instance, victorious in ukraine, and not expanding its footprint and the tops of students you unacceptable. And youll notice who invited them medical visits in the number of western countries. This being comes to nation, that some african countries have been ambivalent to, in the case of south africa mutual over russias invasion of ukraine. Is this payback for the west for them, for the wrongs of the colonial era is that while i know the rule is the community that templates be fact. Gigi lucian, america is usually called for the uh uh, gaming the uh, validation of the silver and see what else i can see. Have you crate of your claim . And minneapolis got people said, choose me. What did america do . Any of that was that could be good. Was that not breach of security . So for that the overall is that cancelled. So why did they cut them both in a 2nd, but from us to woods. This is a new shot for what was a little bit media on the lice. I think you had mentioned have once you saw it as a new issue on because your money objected to the invasion of that back. But is long for us to, which is it is a huge on because any, excuse me, you have him to correct that is neutral, really the side effect going to be on. Is it this kind of shoes . Your boy, i does it is i the collection of rules or those you can me out of the rooms only applies to russia, not us. Lets not be heavy. Ok, this is appropriate. This is to a problem. We need to look at the middle or sometimes the relies. What do we say and what you do . What happens in libya, would then brokerage this company. We never would have to be able to get is that acceptable . What do you make . Look, im not going to be honest, im dealing with this stuff. So its not like the width is in the why it on or romantic . Nobody saying that. Ok, so dont lift. You dont lift, you have other people and say, you look icon them. And i think it is a problem is ill acceptable for russia to evade euclid. And theres no question, but in the same place i have condemned American Invasion of over that because this is, is equivalence. And we need to remember that, i just hope that people, when you talk about the natural rules just applies to everybody. You know, exceptionally is what we been. What do you make of americas charge last week that south africa had loaded onto a sanctioned russian freighter . If you make of that chart i, im really confused exactly as to why the bus that i will just as well. We only have south africas version. So saying he apologized, he didnt know what was your tell, he didnt apologize in public. Oh, i saw a guy who wrote that in bbc website actually that he didnt, i know south africa says he apologize to that but, but then they denied the judge. But when it, when they did denied the wording was, im big us. They said we didnt approve any arms to russia. It wasnt sanctioned or approved by us. Suggest that was something to some place that i paid with would im afraid that south africa has a number of issues i think and where is a to see where is it going its, its a grip on power effectively as it some somewhere today that is possible. Is that the mobile is that even though that we have of what happened. They cannot admit that because they say ok then this instead of what if hes at with as hes in light, is also terrible of that made a comfortable song. I was also a medical reports now more accurate than before. Uh. I mean, drink act. It has a web as of mazda, a section on the, which is the cam, would i wish actually, budgeting throat in the world. The amenities have been very accurate in boston. So i need adults not, and i dont know what does to so what happened death. But i notice digitalization of governance in south africa was big public about this. Right. In the time we have left, we took to learn about what african countries have or havent done. What do you, what the west to face briefly . What do you want the west to do . 5. I think i think the west need really to we have in a much with that way. Look at what is happening here. Go with kim. I dont have the problem all you, itll be on the thats 20. 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