Im jamie colby. And today i am cruising ocean side in beautiful la jolla, california, just north of san diego. Im on my way to meet an heir whose strange inheritance stunned the coincollecting world, then led to a showdown with uncle sam. My name is Randy Lawrence. I inherited a baggie of coins from my father, who worked at the denver mint. Imagine a shiny penny. But instead of being coppercolored, its silver. That was one of the coins my dad left me. And it turned my life upside down. Hi, randy. Im jamie. Hello. Nice to meet you. So great to meet you, too. And i heard that your inheritance came in a small plastic bag . It did. Randy shows me in, sits me down, and hands me a baggie full of coins. Well, they cant be very valuable, i guess, if theyre still sitting here in a ziploc. Well, those particular ones arent necessarily. But there was one in that bag that was quite valuable. Where is it . Can i see it . Well, i dont have it. Huh . Yeah, theres a little bit of a story. Its the story of randys dad, Harry Lawrence, who grows up near denver, takes a shine to engineering, and studies metallurgy at the Colorado School of mines. After serving in the army corps of engineers during world war ii, harry heads to chicago, where he lands a job as a foreman at a smelting plant, sweltering work, but not nearly as hot as the time harry spends hanging around the water cooler. Thats where he met my mother. She was a receptionist, and he was a manager. And she was much younger and very pretty. And i think she just made him work for it. And he won. And he won. Randy is the second of two boys. In 1960, when hes 3, his dad accepts a job at the us mint in denver, packs up the family, and heads west. It was a dream job for him because it was bringing him back to colorado. Was it pretty prestigious to have a father who worked at the denver mint . I felt it was. In the schoolyard, when other children would ask me, well, whats your dad do, i. Makes money. And they said, no, no, really, whats he do . No, he makes money. Randys dad loves the precision that goes into minting the nations coins. But as with any perfectionist, its the flaws that really catch his eye. He had a bag full of these coins. And there was a few of these error coins in there. What is an error coin . An error coin is one that was misstruck at the mint. So it didnt land correctly in the press. And therefore, it might be off center, or the edge might be curled. This is a pretty interesting penny. But it looks like two pennies Michael Mcconnell is a la jolla coin shop owner who knows all about error coins. Its simply a penny that was struck twice. It got stuck in the press. And it got struck again. Randys father collects the error coins that he finds in a plastic baggie that he keeps at home in a drawer. So when you work for the mint and they misstrike a coin, they let you take it home . Well, i guess so. There are many error coins out there that are bought and sold every day. Randys mistaken about that. Taking home error coins is illegal, but apparently ignored sometimes, at least in his dads day. So its quite possible that when harry retires from the mint in 1980, his bosses do say he can keep his error coins, a retirement gift, harry explains. Whats harrys plan for them . No way to know. Just six months later, he dies of a heart attack at the age of 60. Im so sorry. He was young. Yes, very young. It was a shame that he didnt get to enjoy his retirement. Did he leave a will . He did. Did he reference the coins in any way . I got the bag of coins. My brother got a set of guns. My father collected guns as well. Randy has zero interest in coin collecting and tosses his inheritance in his desk drawer. For the next three decades, he says, he forgets all about it until he moves from denver to la jolla and, one day, is checking out the new neighborhood. I walked into michaels coin shop, la jolla coin. Yep, that michael. Before long, the coin dealer will be on the scent of a fortune. Thats next. But first, our strange inheritance quiz question. Us coins have mint marks p, d, s, and w, designating the locations where theyre made. Can you name all four . Extra credit if you know what the government makes at the w location. The answers after the break. Its easy to think that all Money Managers are pretty much the same. But while some push High Commission investment products, Fisher Investments avoids them. Some advisers have hidden and layered fees. Fisher investments never does. And while some advisers are happy to earn commissions from you whether you do well or not, Fisher Investments fees are structured so we do better when you do better. Maybe thats why most of our clients come from other Money Managers. Fisher investments. Clearly better money management. So, what do the p, d, s, and w stand for on us coins . P is for the philadelphia mint, d for denver, s for san francisco, and w for west point, where the government makes commemorative coins and stores gold. Randy lawrence moves his family from denver to la jolla, california, in 2013. While checking out his new town, he happens upon the la jolla coin shop. He tells the owner, Michael Mcconnell, about the bag full of error coins that he inherited from his dad, who worked at the denver mint. I said, you know, i think its time i have somebody take a look at this. Would you be interested . Michael agrees. So randy returns with that old baggie. Michael sorts through the contents, pausing on one silvercolored penny. It was an offmetal coin that wasnt the weight of a normal penny. It didnt feel right to you . Correct. And the first thing that came to my mind was, because the us mint has struck over 1,000 different coins for over 40 different countries, that this coin was struck on a planchet meant for a foreign coin. Whats a planchet . The planchet is a round disk of metal that the coin is actually made out of. A us penny stamped on a blank intended for a foreign coin, michael says, might be worth a few hundred dollars. The other coins have some value, too. So michael makes randy an offer for the whole collection. What was the total price for everything . I think i left there with a little over 2,000. Were you happy . I was happy with it. Love you, dad. But you know what . Im over it. I dont need the coins. But the coinshop owner keeps thinking about that pretty penny. You see, theres this tale in the annals of coin history about an unusual batch of pennies the government minted in the 1970s. The price of copper had gone up in 1973. And so it actually became not costeffective to make the penny out of that. And so they were looking for alternatives. Paul montgomery tells me the story. Hes a rarecoin dealer and author. And he explains that the mints solution is to switch from costly copper to a cheaper metal. What was the composition of them . The coin is made out of 96 percent aluminum. The mints proud of the coin. It strikes a million and a half and even hands out a few to members of congress before its release. But the aluminum penny is a bigger 70s flop than the gremlin or the leisure suit. The coins didnt work in vending machines, uh, i guess because of the metal. Kids would swallow em, and they wouldnt show up in xrays, either. So instead of circulating the coins, the mint melts them down. And it takes back the few it handed out. The 1974 aluminum penny becomes as elusive as the proverbial unicorn. Or maybe not. I began doing additional research, which led me to think that it may actually be that unicorn. The next thing he does it call a lawyer. So what does the lawyer advise you . He advised me to go and get the coin certified, to make sure that it truly was an aluminum penny. Tests show it is indeed made of 96 percent aluminum, just like those minted, then melteddown pennies from the 1970s. Were you excited . It was obviously the scarcest coin ive ever handled. And things are going to get complicated because the heir of this strange inheritance story is about to reenter the picture. Whats michael offering you . Thats next. Heres another quiz question for you. Who preceded john f. Kennedy on the half dollar . The answer when we return. Today were going to talk about trucks. Which of these truck brands do you think offers best in class hd horsepower and the most capable offroad midsize pickup . Id go ram. I would put it on ford. Lets find out. Noooooooo. Chevy. Thats right, its chevy. They look amazing. Wow. Chevys killin it. Yeah, definitely. Trade up to this light duty silverado all star and get a total value of over eleven thousand two hundred dollars. Or during truck month, get 0 financing for 72 months on our most popular chevy trucks. Find new roads at your local chevy dealer. Can i kick it . Yes you can can i kick it . Yes you can can i kick it . Yes you can well im gone thisto a hilarioushing baudiobook on audible. G and this woman is laughing because shes pretending her bosss terrible story is funny. Still actually laughing. No longer making a human noise. Experience the comedy, not your commute. Dial starstaraudible on your smartphone to start listening today. Or a little internet machine . It makes you wonder shouldnt we get our phones and internet from the same company . Thats why Xfinity Mobile comes with your internet. You get up to 5 lines of talk and text at no extra cost. So all you pay for is data. See how much you can save. Choose by the gig or unlimited. Xfinity mobile. A new kind of network designed to save you money. Call, visit, or go to xfinitymobile. Com. So, who was on the half dollar before jfk . Its a, benjamin franklin, from 1948 to 1963. A baggie full of coins, thats Randy Lawrences strange inheritance from his father, who worked at the denver mint. When he brings it to this la jolla, california, coin shop, owner Michael Mcconnell tells him the fistful of change is worth a couple of grand. After randy takes the deal, michael determines one of the coins, a 1974 penny, is made of aluminum. That suggests its from a run of coins never put into circulation. If so, its one of those finds collectors dream about. Michael knows he owes randy, just for starters, a phone call. People come to us because were the experts. And so if we give somebody bad advice on Something Like that, we, of course, have to go back to em and tell em thats not right, thats not what i originally thought the coin was. And he wanted to set up a meeting with me. So i went down to his coin shop. Whats michael offering you . Well, technically, he was the owner of this coin. So we worked out a 6040 split. I took back 60 percent ownership. He gave me back 60 percent value of the coin. Interesting. So michael buys the coin and owns it outright in your mind. Mmhmm. But when he learns that its more valuable, hes willing to bring you back in as a partner . He felt that was the right thing to do. What were randys options when you told him the news . What could he have said . He could have said anything. Could he say, give me my coin back . Absolutely. So for 300, he could have bought this coin back from you . Sure. What did he say . After we talked about it, and we talked about the options, he said, lets partner up and go forward. How do you decide whats fair . Well, its kinda tough in this kinda situation. But this was a coin that had been in randys family for a long time. This was a family heirloom. And i was certainly happy to give that split. Ill say, for it turns out that randys rare penny has one more strange characteristic that will set the coin world abuzz that little d. So this one has a d mint, signifying it was made in denver. Thats where randys dad worked. And that is why this coin was so unique. Because as far as anyone knows, the 1. 5 million aluminum coins minted, then recalled in 1974, all came from philadelphia, not denver. That could lift its value into the stratosphere. Did michael give you a sense of what it could be worth . Anywhere from a low end of 250,000 up to 2 million. One coin, potentially worth 2 million . One penny. As coowners of the coin, randy and michael decide to put it up for auction, beginning with a sneak peak at a coin expo in long beach, california. It was phenomenal. A rare coin thats spent years lost in a drawer could bring in millions of dollars at auction. We were on every television station. And realized it might be something a little more special. I was getting phone calls from across the country, as well as seeing articles across the world russia, china. Is the price going up at this point with all that interest . In my mind, it is. Then out of the blue, the postman knocks. Well, i got a very interesting letter from the government. A letter . Do you have the letter . I do, right here. Oh, this doesnt look good. Whats your strange inheritance story . Wed love to tell it. Send me an email or go to our website, strangeinheritance. Com. Copd makes it hard to breathe. So to breathe better, i go with anoro. Go your own way copd tries to say, go this way. I say, ill go my own way with anoro. Go your own way oncedaily anoro contains two medicines called bronchodilators, that Work Together to significantly improve lung function all day and all night. Anoro is not for asthma. It contains a type of medicine that increases risk of death in people with asthma. The risk is unknown in copd. Anoro wont replace rescue inhalers for sudden symptoms and should not be used more than once a day. 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Please contact me at your earliest opportunity so we may discuss arrangements for the timely return of the subject piece. Theyre coming after you. They are. Recall that randys father works at the denver mint for 20 years. Upon retiring in 1980, hes apparently allowed to keep a bag full of error coins as part of his retirement gift. You were convinced, in your mind, that your dad received this coin legally and was entitled to keep it . Absolutely, 100 percent. But now, 34 years later, the government claims otherwise. What are your options . Well, our options was to immediately turn over the coin, or do what we did. And that was to file a lawsuit against the United States treasury to keep ownership of the coin. The other half of we is coinshop owner Michael Mcconnell. Why didnt you just turn it over to the mint . I didnt think it belonged to them. And there certainly wasnt evidence that said it belonged to them. The same circumstances have existed so many times in the past, and so there are precedents. And rarecoin expert Paul Montgomery believes those precedents favor randy. Exhibit a the superrare 1913 liberty head nickels, which montgomery wrote a book about. His Research Indicates they likely were struck by a rogue mint worker, just as the governments claiming in randys case. Each one of these coins had been owned and purchased. And millions of dollars had traded hands. And yet the government has never gone after those. Why this one . In their lawsuit, randy and michael cite other rare coins with similar histories that collectors buy, sell, and own freely. The governments response so what . Then it ups the ante by putting on the Public Record serious allegations against harry. Accusations of my father not being of the highest standard. For example . Well, that he could have been the one who made the coin, or my father should have known better than to accept it and keep it. What was the governments beef against Harold Lawrence . Well, they suspected that mr. Lawrence had a nefarious scheme to produce coins that werent supposed to be produced. Bottom line the government is strongly suggesting that randys dad is a crook. Did that make you mad . Very, very angry, yeah. Two stories, two sides of the coin. And before the case goes to trial, the government deposes the man who headed the aluminum cent project back in the 1970s, former mint director alan goldman. To randys great relief, goldmans testimony exonerates his father. Under oath, the former mint director states, i knew Harry Lawrence very well, and he was a straight shooter. He would not have engineered this. When i read that, i knew that my fathers name was cleared. But thats all the good news because goldman also bolsters the governments claim that the penny was struck improperly. He believed that it was actually made as a practical joke by one of the mint employees. And as far as how it came to my father, again, probably as a memento when he retired. With no star witnesses of their own, its going to be hard for randy and michael to convince a jury the coin rightfully belonged to harry. They drop their lawsuit. Youre willing to walk away from 2 million . Apparently so. I did. It seems like you caved. At the end of the day, because there arent enough people left to be able to tell the whole story as to how it really came to be, i felt like it was kind of a case that we werent ever going to be able to win. The man from la jolla is forced to return a rare and valuable coin to the us government. The us mint declined our request for an interview about randys aluminum penny. Is the government becoming more strict in that regard . This is first ive seen anything like this. I see the government getting very active in lots of things. But confiscating collectible rare coins has never been one of them. This has never happened, either. After receiving randys strange inheritance, the mint puts it on display at a coin show near los angeles. Collectors press their face against the glass to get a good looksee. This is the first time that this coins ever been displayed like this. And while the lawrence family may not even know this, theyve already become a tremendous piece of the history and numismatic lore. So Randy Lawrence did not cash in his legendary aluminum penny for millions. But he did get a consolation prize of sorts. In coincollecting circles, he and his father are now legends themselves, with the lawrence name forever attached to the oneofakind 1974 d aluminum onecent piece. Your dads reputation is restored. Perfect, yes. The coin is gone. Yes. And you didnt make a buck. Didnt make a penny. [ laughs ] i say the governments taken my last penny. Remember how a handful of aluminum pennies were handed out to lawmakers back in 1974 . Legend has it that, one day, a congressman dropped his while rushing to vote on a bill. A Capitol Police officer tried to return it. The congressman, thinking it was just a dime, told the officer, keep it. Its believed that officers family may still have that superrare penny. But the mint is now on record saying it would like it back, just like it wanted randys. I guess you could say the mints really pinching pennies these days. Im jamie colby. Thanks for watching strange inheritance. And remember you cant take it with you. A great president from humble roots. Abe lincoln, the railsplitter made him sound like a man of the people. Is this the kind of thing that lincoln used as a young man . He would use mauls and mallets splitting fence rails, working around the farm. But did young abe swing this . It was just a relic that was around our house. We didnt really give a lot of thought to it. Its their strange inheritance, but its never been put to the test. Even though, in our minds, it was 100 real, just because we think so doesnt make it true. Anybody could have carved their initials al. How do you know its really lincolns . [ applause ] [ door creaks ] [ wind howls ] [ thunder rumbles ] [ bird caws ] im jamie colby, and today im in indiana. The Hoosier State boasts that its the childhood home of Abraham Lincoln, and im meeting a woman who believes shes inherited the very tool that lincoln used as a young man to split rails. If so, that would be amazing. Lincolns image as the railsplitter was a key to his unlikely election as president in 1860. My name is andrea solis. When my father died in 2015, my brother and i inherited an heirloom that had been in our family for more than 150 years. We were always told it belonged to Abraham Lincoln, and i believe it. Hi, andrea. Im jamie. So nice to meet you. Hi, jamie. Nice to meet you. My family has something here that i think you might like to see. You want to go check it out . Yes, please. Okay. Andreas strange inheritance is on loan here at the state museum in indianapolis in its Abraham Lincoln collection. It has the initials al. He was known as the railsplitter, and im sure that he used it to split wood to make fences. Growing up, was there a whole story behind it . Yes. Abraham lincoln lived near my greatgreatgrandfather, and abraham gave the mallet to him, and then it has been passed down for generations in my family. How do you check out a story like andreas . Start 200 years ago across the border in kentucky, says lincoln scholar dale ogden. What was lincolns early life like in kentucky . He was born to a subsistence farmer family. His father actually was more of a carpenter than a farmer. In 1816, when abe is seven, Thomas Lincoln moves his family 100miles west to the indiana territory, the same year it becomes a state. What brought them to indiana . It was a lot easier to prove ownership of your land than it was in kentucky. The other reason was that indiana was a state where slavery had been made illegal. I think thomas was just intrinsically opposed to the idea of slavery. The lincoln family settles on 160 acres in whats now spencer county, 150 miles south of indianapolis. Here Thomas Lincoln becomes a soughtafter cabinetmaker. He built beautiful furniture, and that was a very valuable skill on the frontier where there wasnt a whole lot that had been previously built. He often presses abe into service. The idea was, of course in that time, the father would pass on his skills, his occupation to his son. Did he learn it . A little bit. Abraham, whenever he had the opportunity, would kind of sneak off and read. When hes not behind a book, teenage abe works splitting rails a job done with heavy wood mauls. Whats a railsplitter . Building fence would have been one of the first things you would have had to do on the frontier to separate your land from other peoples land, first cutting down a tree and then splitting it into rails to make fence. Growing to 64, trim and strong, abraham gains a reputation as a fierce railsplitter. He wasnt just tall, he was imposing. He intimidated pretty much everybody that he came in contact with, both physically and intellectually. In 1830, when abes 21, his father moves the family northwest to illinois in search of better farmland. Young lincoln pursues a career in law, and by 1846 is elected to congress. His reputation as the railsplitter follows him wherever he goes. His president ial campaign in 1860 uses this portrait of a lean, powerful lincoln wielding his maul. It looks different from andreas, but well get to that later. Suffice it to say, lincolns imagemakers are on to something. Lincoln had some very accomplished political handlers. They thought that the idea of the railsplitter, it made him sound like a common man. A political cartoon even shows lincoln being carried on a fence rail with the caption the rail candidate. The strategy works. Lincoln is elected the 16th president of the United States. He goes on to fight and win the civil war, end slavery, and save the union. His assassination cements him in the pantheon of american heroes. Overnight, anything lincoln touched becomes a relic. So if andreas ancestors do have a gift from their old neighbor, no surprise they treasure it and their descendants do, too. Its a century after lincolns death, in the 1970s, when andreas older brother, keith carter, first beholds his familys cherished heirloom. My earliest memory of the mallet was that my grandfather had stored it in the basement of his house in a crevice by a steel beam. Whenever he takes it out, grandpa carter recounts that equally cherished family lore about how abraham gave his friends the mallet before departing indiana in 1830. Grandpa carter bequeaths the mallet and the yarn that goes with it to keith and andreas father. But instead of hiding the hammer, their dad sets it out, right there, on the fireplace. We didnt really talk about it a lot, but when people came over to our house, they would see it, and it would be a talking point. We didnt really give a lot of thought to it. I think my sister took it to school one time. How old were you . It was kindergarten showandtell. Did anyone believe you . My teacher questioned it, like that is amazing, but why would you have something that valuable in our classroom . You didnt trade it for a Peanut Butter sandwich . I didnt, no. Thank goodness. So the mallet just leans against the fireplace in the carter home until keith and andreas father dies in 2015 and the mallet is passed to them. My parents will said that my brother and i get things equally. You sure cant cut this in half. You cant, no. [ laughs ] so the heirs decide to do something, well, risky something that could obliterate that wonderful Family Tradition linking them to one of the great men who walked the earth. They decide to find out whether the mallet is really lincolns. Even though, in our minds, it was 100 real, just because we think so doesnt make it true. But first, our strange inheritance quiz question. Of which literary work did lincoln say, i think nothing equals it . The answer after the break. Today were out here with some big news. Jardiance is the only type 2 diabetes pill proven to both significantly reduce the chance of dying from a cardiovascular event in adults who have type 2 diabetes and heart disease. And lower your a1c. Wow. Jardiance can cause serious side effects including dehydration. This may cause you to feel dizzy, faint, or lightheaded, or weak upon standing. 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G and this woman is laughing because shes pretending her bosss terrible story is funny. Still actually laughing. No longer making a human noise. Experience the comedy, not your commute. Dial starstaraudible on your smartphone to start listening today. Money managers are pretty much the same. All but while some push High Commission investment products, Fisher Investments avoids them. Some advisers have hidden and layered fees. Fisher investments never does. And while some advisers are happy to earn commissions from you whether you do well or not, Fisher Investments fees are structured so we do better when you do better. Maybe thats why most of our clients come from other Money Managers. Fisher investments. Clearly better money management. So, of which literary work did lincoln say, nothing equals it . Its a, shakespeares macbeth, which lincoln claimed to have gone over as frequently as any unprofessional reader. In 2015, andrea solis and her brother, keith carter, inherit what family lore says is a hand tool built, used, and initialed by Abraham Lincoln. Did this have any paperwork, no letter from lincoln that says no. Nothing. Nothing. At their dads wake, the fascinating heirloom becomes a topic of conversation with one of their cousins, tom brauns, who, turns out, is a lincoln buff. It was kind of a surprise didnt know he had it. I told him it had al, 1829 on it, and he got really excited about that. He said, well, how do i get it authenticated . I said, well, i have some ideas, so he handed it to me right then and said, go do your thing. Really . Cousin tommy runs an Appliance Repair business. What does he know about authenticating a lincoln artifact . Did tommy have any special skill that let you think he was the right guy for the job . Tommy is amazing at doing ancestry work and researching history. Was this your first authentication . Yes. Were you scared . At first i was excited when keith handed it to me, but on the way home i thought, this is a heavy responsibility. To help shoulder the burden, tom leans on some other local lincoln enthusiasts, including his friend steve haaff, a retired School Teacher and lincoln fanatic whos studied the furniture making of thomas and Abraham Lincoln. I love lincoln, and i always have. It kind of started as a hobby, but then its really grown since then. The duo begin by asking, what exactly is this mallet and where did it come from . See the halfmoon shaped groove . It looks like part of a hole that had been drilled into a larger chunk of wood. Steve concludes that that hole once held a much longer handle, and that this mysterious relic began as a completely different tool. Okay, i brought with me today a maul which looks pretty much identical to what that mallet would have looked like originally. Is this the kind of thing that lincoln used as a young man as the railsplitter . Absolutely. And if you look at the lincoln mallet, you can see it broke, and it really split almost symmetrical. So, lincolns broke and was repurposed . Yes, into a smaller bench mallet. Now were no longer hitting wedges to split rails with it, but something a lot smaller. Its on the freshly exposed surface that the new mallet is dated with nails that steve confirms are consistent with 1829, and, of course, its inlaid al, which is most unique. There arent that many out there, right . No. As far as we know, this is the only maul out there that has Abraham Lincolns initials in it. More on those initials later. Meantime, tom, the genealogy buff, is putting the Carter Family lore to the test. Remember, the story goes that before abe left indiana for illinois in 1830, he gave the mallet to andrea and keiths greatgreatgrandfather, one Barnabas Carter jr. If there was a defining moment, it was whenever Barnabas Carter received that mallet. Thats where it all began. The next step is to find out if all the characters in the purported chain of custody are in the right places at the right time. And tom and steve do unearth evidence of a lincolnCarter Family connection even earlier than keith supposes going back to the early 1800s when the families were neighbors in kentucky. What do you have . Well, we have tax records, for one. There were eight Carter Brothers who lived in kentucky beside the lincolns. Then the guys uncover another clue an indiana landplot map. It shows that the lincolns and the carter clan moved to the same section of Southern Indiana at nearly the same time, between 1815 and 1816. Thomas lincoln lived in this area right here, has his name on it. Right below his property, you see a small square that says, Nancy Hanks Lincoln grave. Thats his mother. That is Abraham Lincolns mother, and she is buried on the carters farm. So, very close connection, not only personally, but in proximity to where they lived. But was young abe himself friendly enough with the carters to give them a gift that would keep giving through the years . Digging into lincolns writings, they find a lighthearted poem by lincoln about a boyhood adventure in indiana. Abraham lincoln wrote a poem about a bear hunt, and in that bear hunt, he mentions the carters. Penned sometime in the mid 1840s, one stanza reads. Abraham lincoln didnt forget about the carters, and, to me, it really shows that relationship was so strong, it carried with him even years later. The amateur history sleuths seem to be getting warmer. Time to really home in on those initials, al. Thats next. Heres another quiz question for you. At 64, Abraham Lincoln was the tallest president. Who was the second tallest . The answer when we return. Today were going to talk about trucks. Which of these truck brands do you think offers best in class hd horsepower and the most capable offroad midsize pickup . Id go ram. I would put it on ford. Lets find out. 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Call now, request your free decision guide and start gathering the information you need to help you keep rolling with confidence. Go long™. So, who was the second tallest president after Abraham Lincoln . Its c. Lbj was 63 1 2, just a half inch shorter than lincoln. In 2015, andrea solis and her brother, keith carter, are having a treasured family heirloom authenticated this mallet, which they believe was made and owned by Abraham Lincoln as a young man in indiana. Leading the charge, two amateur researchers their cousin tom brauns and toms friend steve haaff. Theyve established a relationship between the carter and lincoln families. Now they tackle those fancy letters, al. Would lincoln really inlay his initials on an old mallet . I think that Abraham Lincoln was tinkering. People did mark their stuff for ownership, to make sure that it wasnt stolen. The guys confirm lincoln did initial at least one other tool. In a blacksmiths shop in the 1830s, witnesses recall abe etching his initials into an iron wedge. Its on display at the smithsonian. Those initials look very similar to the al on andrea and keiths wood mallet. That these letters are inlaid is another key to steve and toms authentication. Not just anybody could do inlay work. One of the questions you have to ask yourself, did Abraham Lincoln have the ability to inlay the metal into the mallet . If no, thats a problem. If yes, its another reason to believe the tool was lincolns. The guys find their answer in an example of abes carpentry work, a cabinet door usually on display at a nearby museum. Abraham lincoln inlaid the letters ec because this cabinet was built for elizabeth crawford, a neighbor of the lincolns. Steve tells me both sets of initials are consistent with the meticulous technique abe used to inlay the letters. It was a skill that was learned from his father, who was a highly skilled cabinetmaker. We can trace this mallet from the current owners back to Abraham Lincoln. You have any doubt in your mind . No, i dont, and im a hard person to convince. But its one thing for a couple of lincoln buffs to convince themselves. Convincing folks who do this for a living will be another story. You guys are not exactly professional researchers. Theres a ton of fakes out there. Absolutely, theres a ton of fakes. And this man knows it. You must get those calls all the time. Its kind of like the picasso behind grandmas portrait. Thats next. Whats your strange inheritance story . Wed love to tell it. Send me an email or go to our website, strangeinheritance. Com. Finally. Hey ron theyre finally taking down that schwab billboard. Oh, not so fast, carl. Oh no. Schwab, again . Index investing for that low . Thats three times less than fidelity. And four times less than vanguard. Whats next, no minimums . No minimums. Schwab has lowered the cost of investing again. 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Its really incredible. No wonder theyre excited. Verified lincoln artifacts can fetch big bucks. A lock of his hair sold at auction for 25,000. A white house admittance card from his funeral 12k. And then theres this stovepipe hat, authenticated as lincolns, appraised for 6. 5 million and sold in 2007 to the Lincoln Museum in springfield, illinois. But theres a lot of phony lincolnalia out there. Just ask dale ogden, the chief curator of history and culture at the indiana state museum. You must get those calls all the time. I get probably about a call a month. Its kind of like the picasso behind grandmas portrait. I mean, what are the chances that something thats just sitting around, let alone by the fireplace, is going to be real . The chances are very slim. Yet, andrea and keiths story entices dale to take a look. He examines the mallet, the inlaid initials, and the brief prepared by two amateur history detectives, tom brauns and steve haaff. You got two amateur supersleuths that do all the research. Did they do a good job . I was really impressed. They spent a lot of time looking into genealogical records, landpurchase documents, making the connection between the lincolns and the carters. More than impressed. The curators convinced. He says its really abes mallet and part of a maul the legendary logsplitter once used to make fence rails. Ive probably been approached with 100 objects that somebody or another claimed was a lincoln artifact, and this is the only one that weve settled on. So now that the siblings are confident theyve inherited something of great historic value, putting it back by the fireplace just isnt an option anymore. But what should they do with it . It is sentimental value, and you have to weigh out what your grandfather would have wanted done and your ancestors, my father. Until they decide, they lend it to the indiana state museum. Governor mike pence is ecstatic. It is going to draw people from around the country and around the world who will come to see those initials, and when they do, they will know Abraham Lincoln was a hoosier. Im ecstatic, too, when dale ogden offers to give me a look at the lincoln relic outside its glass case. Well be real careful with it here. So, as a curator, would you let me hold it . [ sighs ] i got big hands. [ gasps ] i wont let go. Thats okay, but you truly believe this is a piece from Abraham Lincoln, and i am holding it in my hands. I need a souvenir photo. I dont want to make you nervous. Youve been so generous. I am nervous, yeah. Just between you and me, what do you think its worth . It depends on what the prince in dubai, as opposed to the businessman in hong kong would be willing to pay for it. Everybody wants a piece of lincoln. Yeah. Whats the significance of this for your family . Well, i just hope everyone can understand the importance of Abraham Lincoln and what an honor it is for our family to have received this. Hes our greatest president in my mind. [ chuckles ] would andrea and her brother ever sell the mallet . Andrea says theyve spoken to one auction house and are leaving that door open. If someone were to come to you and say it was worth 100,000, 50,000 each sell . No. But my feelings could change down the road, i dont know. Like at 1 million, it might change . Thats a lot. It would have to be a gamechanger. [ laughs ] of course, even lincoln experts secondguess themselves. Take that stovepipe hat we showed you. After critics began questioning whether the hat could really be traced to lincoln, some Museum Board Members said they wanted the state police to test it for lincolns dna. That never happened. 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