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Full forecast coming up later. Few good morning. Im Stephen Dixon and im Ellie Costello. And this is breakfast on gb news. News. Heres a quick one for you. Yes Health Advice is always confusing. She has no idea what im talking. We hear lots about it, dont we . You do. Do you remember that . Not that many years ago. They said if you didnt do at least 5000 steps a day, you were sedentary. Yes and you meant to do 10,000 now . Anyway, were Health Experts have said , actually, you experts have said, actually, you just need to do 4000 oh oh to significantly reduce your chances of an early death from all things. All things. Well, thats very good. Well, thats very good. So thats good, isnt it . So thats good, isnt it . Very good news. I think its a lot more manageable than 10,000 steps. Yeah, i have mine set at 6000 and that i dont manage every day. No. So 4000 today. So if you do 4000, dont feel despondent. Youre actually doing yourself a real service. If you do 4000 real service. If you do 4000 steps a day. Yeah. Give yourself a pat on the back until next week when they change it to 18,000. Yeah, thats it. It changes week by week doesnt it. I think i manage about 5000 steps a day on average. There you go. Average. There you go. You youre fit and healthy. So there you im in the so there you go. Im in the good books. Youre in the good books for the next week at least before it changes again. So there you go. Thats bit of news to thats a good bit of news to start this start your day with this morning. Spend lot of the morning. Spend a lot of the papers you. Yeah, papers for you. Yeah, thats good is also in a lot good news. What is also in a lot of the papers this morning, data breaches major data breaches two major data breaches, one affecting people across uk the one across the uk and the other one affecting the Police Service of northern theyve Northern Ireland. Now theyve apologised to officers and civilians staff because they have mistaken published the data of every serving employee. Of every serving employee. Yes, the data breach reportedly involved names , ranks reportedly involved names, ranks and other personal data of its staff. Staff. Well, during a media briefing, the assistant chief constable apologised for what he called human error and says it will be fully investigated. Will be fully investigated. I understand that that will be of considerable concern to many of my colleagues and their families. Indeed, at the moment we operate in an environment at the moment where theres a Severe Threat to our colleagues from Northern Ireland related terrorism, and this is the last thing that anybody in the organisation to be organisation wants to be hearing. Evening. Well hearing. This evening. Well joining us live now from psni headquarters is dougie beattie, our Northern Ireland reporter. Good morning to you, dougie. I mean, this absolutely beggars belief, doesnt it . The name of every single Northern Ireland Police Officer has now been published in error. It is unbelievable, ellie. I mean, this, this data breach isnt as bad as it could have been. No personal mobile phone numbers, no home addresses. But numbers, no home addresses. But what is on those forms are quite literally astounding. Its name , surname, initial rank, serial number, and the station where they are are working at that current time. And that goes from every Single Person in the psni right down to the typing pool thatis right down to the typing pool that is in this place behind me. So everybody now knows who is working inside the psni. If they working inside the psni. If they if you had a suspicion your neighbour was there, you had a look at this list. But i mean, theres thousands and thousands of names on this and there is some unbelievable questions to be asked. And last night Police Officers were talking to me and saying they were always being hounded about Data Security and how important that is. And then to be found out that that was been leaked on such a scale. The questions that need to be asked here is this apparently happened because of a freedom of information request. Someone in information request. Someone in here behind us then took it upon themselves to send out this details to whoever it was that looked for that freedom of information request. So only one person was able to actually access that. And then send it out from behind here. You would imagine that that sort of information would be very, very sensitive and taking more than one person to look at it. And then unbelievably, the person that got it looked at it, and if it was you or i, we would look at it and say, oh, theres been at it and say, oh, theres been a mistake there. They then decided to publish it on a website. That is how bad this breach actually is. And really theres a meeting of the policing board this morning at 10 00. And the real question has to be here, can the chief constable hold on this is a man thats in charge of a organisation that is based in security, and this this type of breach in his own man will probably cause real problems. The Police Federation last night very, very angry in their statement , those that represent statement, those that represent the officers here really asking some very, very serious questions. Gould command met questions. Gould command met here last night. They are setting up a task force to look at what happened. But really, at what happened. But really, these officers are saying too little, too late. And they, it must be said that the relationship between the chief constable and his rank and file over this last couple of years of incidents that have happened where officers dont believe that he backed them, that really can he hold on after this today i just briefly, dougie, what what can be done now for the safety and security of all those people whose details have been published and apologies dont do anything . No it doesnt. Anything . No it doesnt. And years ago, what you would have seen would have been officers being moved around that fortunately , those bad old days fortunately, those bad old days have gone. But there is some real a real sensitive stuff in here. I mean, it actually names 40 that are seconded to m15 information on officers that are basically undercover. Those people will have to be looked at and see where they go now. So you would imagine if theyre shuffling the deck of where these officers are, theyll have to move them round station, massive personnel being moved around stations over this next couple of months. And that may help the security situation. Help the security situation. Okay, dougie, thanks very much indeed. And its worth pointing out that and its certainly big across the mail this morning, this particular story , but also that the story, but also that the Election Commission revealed yesterday day that about 40 million of us have had details stolen from the electoral roll over a process which has taken more than a year. And they say its by what they call a hostile actor , which doesnt mean actor, which doesnt mean someone in coronation street, obviously. But but potentially russia. Yes which again, is a huge concern. What could he do huge concern. What could he do with it . What do they want it for . We dont know. But its our for . We dont know. But its our information. So its all this Data Security, chaos this morning. It really, really is. And whats so concerning about the Electoral Commission story is those attackers because theyre so sophisticated, they managed to completely evade checks for 14 months. They had access to the names, potentially the names and addresses of 40 Million People for 40, 18 months. I mean, that does beg a belief, doesnt it . It really does. So theres going to have to be a full investigation into that as well. But obviously, concerns but obviously, real concerns about security of people about the security of people working Police Service working for the Police Service of Northern Ireland and well speak to dougie a little bit more on that later on. Yes. Now the uk and turkey have struck a new deal to address the surge in illegal migration, which will focus on coordinated disrupt coordinated actions to disrupt and dismantle people smuggling gangs. Well, the agreement will see a new Operation Centre in turkey that will be set up by the countrys National Police, as well as a faster exchange of customs data and other intelligence. Lets get more analysis from the former brexit party mep ben habib. Very good to see you this morning, ben. So what do you make of this new deal . Well, you know, forgive me for being a debbie downer, but reading the press release yesterday in advance of it being made public, you know, my eyes were kind of rolling, frankly, ellie, weve heard this all before , havent we . More kind of before, havent we . More kind of opfics before, havent we . More kind of optics tilt towards doing something , but nothing in something, but nothing in reality. So the heart of this agreement is the disruption of the supply of dinghies, outboard engines, equipment and lifejacket. But, you know, dinghies are not the most sophisticated of construction constructed things. And dinghies are made right across europe. You can access them right across europe if you want to buy a dinghy in france, i imagine there are millions of different places you could buy one, including outdoor motors, life jackets and so on. So i dont really understand how the government thinks were going to buy this. Of course, it may give them another headline it is them another headline as it is this morning for the next few hours, but i cant imagine its going to have any impact whatsoever the crossings of whatsoever on the crossings of the channel. But its a step in the right direction, isnt it, ben . I direction, isnt it, ben . I mean, look, it might not be huge , but every helps absolutely. You know , as i say, i dont you know, as i say, i dont want to be a debbie downer. I dont imagine it will make a big difference. Every step is the right is the right step to be taking what is absent in the press release is the amount of money the government has agreed to pay. Turkey i imagine the right to place our offices on their territory and the obugafion their territory and the obligation for them to be policing these dinghies and so on will come at a cost. And i would like to know what that cost is. You know, weve spent cost is. You know, weve spent hundreds of millions now on france and that hasnt worked. Weve paid £140 million to rwanda, not a Single Person has gone to rwanda. And i think i gone to rwanda. And i think i would like to know what the tax payeris would like to know what the tax payer is putting, you know, how much of the taxpayers money is being spent on getting this memorandum of understanding into place turkey. Place with turkey. I mean, the government would say that such these, say that deals such as these, they working. I mean, they they are working. I mean, they would to albania deal, would point to the albania deal, which struck recently, which has been struck recently, and 90 drop in small boat arrivals from albania since then , as in the First Quarter of 2023. And in terms of the deal with the french, 40 increase in the number of illegal crossings attempted that have been prevented by the french in the past year. So thats something progress can be made by these sorts of deals. Sorts of deals. Well, the albanian problem should never have been a problem in the first place. Albania is a member of nato and of course its much easier for us to reach an agreement with albania because we have we have a cordial relationship with the country, a large number of the Illegal Migrants entering the country come from countries with whom we do not have a cordial relationship , where we dont relationship, where we dont have a right to send people back. The albania deal back. So the albania deal absolutely the right thing to do. Albanians should never have been coming across the channel in the first place. Albania is a safe country by any standard. I dont think weve got that many turks coming in or Illegal Migrants coming from turkey. I think it was about 0. 2 of the total crossings of the channel last year were turkish last year were actually turkish citizens. So dont think citizens. So i dont think thats to going much of thats to going make much of a difference. And as for the french statistics in stopping 40 of the boats that have attempted to launch from france, frankly , i dont believe a thing frankly, i dont believe a thing that comes out of france. They could make any statistic up. They could say theyve stopped 60 the is we are 60 of it. The fact is we are seeing a significant rise. We have seen a significant rise over the last few years. And people attempting that journey and successfully making it. And this year, numbers look like theyre on course for another record. The french are not doing theirjob. Weve paid them, as i mentioned, hundreds of millions of pounds. Weve now agreed to pay of pounds. Weve now agreed to pay them another half billion pounds the next three pounds over the next three years, including in order to build a facility to house Illegal Migrants in france. But the french, you know, the french are at odds with themselves over this because it helps them if people leave their country and come to the United Kingdom. Theres a kind of moral hazard in the agreement that weve reached with france. And the other recognise other thing the french recognise is that the more we pay, the more people that come across, the more were prepared pay the more were prepared to pay them. The sterling them. You know, the sterling value of our contributions to the french french exchequer has gone up dramatically over the last few years, as have the number of people crossing the channel. So theres a kind of positive loop of reinforcement there with the french. I dont think the french is think the french agreement is worth paper its written on, worth the paper its written on, frankly, the albanian deal. Great. Turkeys a step in the right direction, but theres only one solution to stopping the boats crossing the channel and that is to actually stop the boats in the channel as is our international right, and require them to turn around and go back to france and not to enter our territorial waters and to not land on british beaches. Land on british beaches. Okay. Ben habib, good to talk to you. Thanks very much indeed. Its very thats a very difficult thing because of maritime law. Yeah, actually, maritime law. Yeah, actually, i dont id maybe hes got a point. What do you think . But i dont know quite how you would process that. No i know what you mean. I mean in order to stop the boats, as many people have, many of you would agree with ben habib there, you need to physically the boats in the physically stop the boats in the channel. What deal is channel. But what this deal is trying do is actually stop trying to do is actually stop the boats quite literally before they even get france. But they even get to france. But then theres the issue with the supply will just move. Supply chain. It will just move. They cant them turkey they cant make them in turkey and europe. And get them across europe. Surely would just move to surely it would just move to another very possible. Another country . Very possible. There seem an easy there doesnt seem to be an easy fix, there . Fix, does there . Doesnt. There doesnt. There doesnt. There doesnt. Theres and white theres no black and white with this. Sadly, there was, this. Sadly, no. If there was, it would have solved years it would have been solved years ago. Anyway if ago. Thats right. Anyway if youve thoughts, youve got any thoughts, gbviews gbnews. Com you youve got any thoughts, gbvie we 9gbnews. Com you youve got any thoughts, gbvie we pay ews. Com you youve got any thoughts, gbvie we pay too. Com you youve got any thoughts, gbvie we pay too much you youve got any thoughts, gbvie we pay too much for you youve got any thoughts, gbvie we pay too much for ouryou think we pay too much for our Civil Servants . Well, not only has the Civil Service grown by almost a quarter in the last seven years, but the number of those earning £100,000 also doubled, with £100,000 has also doubled, with almost half of them also working from home. Well, that is at least according to the Taxpayers Alliance, that the alliance, that says that the increase largely london increase is largely in london with Civil Servants on Lower Division earning less. No surprise. Surprise. Well, fraser myers, Deputy Editor at spiked , is with us in editor at spiked, is with us in the studio this morning. Fraser, good morning. Good morning. What do you make of this then . Well its extraordinary. The growth the civil the growth of the Civil Service of over 100,000 people over the past five years. Thats largely a larger number than the Standing Army in britain, interestingly and its mainly in high ranking roles. Its mainly in roles that are away from the front line. So now if you think about the state of britain, you know, weve just been talking about immigration. Theres a huge asylum backlog. You know , huge asylum backlog. You know, 50,000 people in migration hotels the growth in hotels. Most of the growth in Civil Service numbers isnt going to the kind of staff that could dealing those could be dealing with those problems. Its to problems. Its going to managers, its going to research, its going to people who specialists in policy. Who are specialists in policy. So to me, that kind of suggests that the Civil Service is almost a of necessarily a law a kind of not necessarily a law unto itself, but it has its own priorities that are distinct from delivering for the needs of the british people. All right. Do we need to establish actually what were classing as a Civil Servant in this . Because i mean, it covers such a wide range of things. Thats true. Yeah but the Taxpayers Alliance research has pointed out that there is in terms of the hiring there are fewer people being hired to deal with operations as such front line roles. So thats quite significant. I think, you know, in principle, in terms of the amount theyre being paid, i think in principle we theres nothing wrong with paying Civil Servants highly, especially if theyre doing a good job. You know, you want to attract the best brightest. But i think best and brightest. But i think a people would look at a lot of people would look at the the country right the state of the country right now like to see some now and would like to see some evidence that that is being translated better translated into into Better Outcomes and better public outcomes and to Better Public Services and things like that. I quite understand what i dont quite understand with not to with this, and its not to dismiss actually, because dismiss it actually, because i dont know if bigger civil dont know if a bigger Civil Service actually better for dont know if a bigger civil sen country ctually better for dont know if a bigger civil sencountry or ally better for dont know if a bigger civil sencountry or not. Better for dont know if a bigger civil sencountry or not. Latter for dont know if a bigger civil sencountry or not. I mean,r the country or not. I mean, i just im not an expert, but i mean, the whole point of conservatism and with the tory government that weve had for 13 years is about a smaller state and presumably a smaller Civil Service as a result. And boris johnson, when he was Prime Minister, explicitly said he was going to cut the numbers by 90,000. Weve seen them balloon by 100,000. So it seems that almost whatever the governments intentions are with the Civil Service, the Civil Service kind gets its way. I service kind of gets its way. I mean, fact that half of them mean, the fact that half of them are working home are still working from home is an indication theyre, know an indication theyre, you know , ministers them , government ministers want them in but there are in the office, but there are some departments where 6 in 10 people working from people are still working from home. Im sorry, i dont home. And im sorry, i dont think you can run the British State from your kitchen. I just dont possible. Dont think thats possible. The solution to this dont think thats possible. Fraserhe solution to this dont think thats possible. Fraser because n to this dont think thats possible. Fraser because rishi this dont think thats possible. Fraser because rishi sunak then, fraser because rishi sunak under now to introduce under pressure now to introduce a freeze on hiring. We know that jacob rees mogg, gb news presenter, a fan of civil presenter, is not a fan of Civil Servants working from home with this pressure there. And this pressure from there. And then barclay health, this pressure from there. And then actually arclay health, this pressure from there. And then actually reduced health, this pressure from there. And then actually reduced the alth, this pressure from there. And then actually reduced the number hes actually reduced the number of Civil Servants in his department i think by six. Yeah. No, i dont think you yeah. No, i dont think you can necessarily that its can say necessarily that its good bad to have more or less good or bad to have more or less Civil Servants. I think you need to look at where are they needed. You need to be deploying people the front line. People to the front line. I think problem what is think the problem is what is happening that hiring happening is that were hiring people of, you people on the basis of, you know, new policy wonkish know, sort of new policy wonkish roles that actually not roles that actually are not really making the impact that we want to. Want them to. Yeah. Yeah. Do you mean by new what do you mean by new policy wonkish roles . Thats the kind well, thats thats the kind of you look the of thing if you look at the figures, its all sort of people devising policy, people doing clever things the room clever things in the back room that dont. Dont we need clever things in the back room that do to. Dont we need clever things in the back room that doto do dont we need clever things in the back room that do to do that . t we need clever things in the back room that do to do that . Well, need clever things in the back room that do to do that . Well, we do. People to do that . Well, we do. But do we need more than we need know thats know frontline staff . Thats where growth is. Where all the growth is. I think, you know, clearly there are shortage is in are major, major shortage is in some areas of public some key areas of the Public Sector. That surely should sector. And that surely should be our priority. Yeah. Okay. Fair point. Fraser, okay. Fair point. Fraser, thank much indeed. Thank you very much indeed. Well you a little later on. Thanks very much. Thanks very much. But yeah, especially i mean, youve got to say with everything thats happening with immigration if immigration at the moment, if they well, weve they were saying, well, weve hired people to deal hired 100,000 people to deal with immigration , you wouldnt complain. Wouldnt many people would welcome it, wouldnt they . Even on salaries, wouldnt on big salaries, you wouldnt mind much if you saw changes mind too much if you saw changes being made and changes for the better. Do let us know what you think. Do you think the Civil Service too big . You think service is too big . Do you think they too much . Should they they earn too much . Should they be in the office and not working from home . Do let know what from home . Do let us know what you vaiews gbnews. Com. You think. Vaiews gbnews. Com. Theres some in the meantime, theres some positive comes to positive news when it comes to the things are going the weather. Things are going to brighten bit. Brighten up a little bit. I dont know about you. I was freezing last night. Im freezing now. Sat here. Im freezing now. Sat here. Its very cold in here. Is its very cold in here. It is cold, it was really it was cold, but it was really it was really last night. I really cold in bed last night. I dont know what was going on, but apparently its going to get warmer. The details warmer. Lets get the details with alex. Warm feeling inside from that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers. Proud sponsors of weather. Gb news morning alex weather on. Gb news morning alex deakin here with your latest weather update from the met office for gb news. A bit fresh out there this morning, but it is to going warm up. Most of us will have a fine day. Well be quite cloudy in the west. The cloud thickening now ireland now across Northern Ireland where to see where we are likely to see a little bit of light rain and drizzle. And the same goes for the coast of wales to the west coast of wales to possibly of light rain possibly a spot of light rain here. Murky some of here. Quite murky around some of the South West England the coast in South West England and clouding over in southwest scotland. Still windy across the far through shetland. Far northeast through shetland. But country, dry but for most of the country, dry and hazy sunshine and and bright, hazy sunshine and a bit warmer than it has been by this afternoon. Temperatures getting quite widely into the low 20s, but thursday, it will be warmer still before we get there , though, this evening, there, though, this evening, staying fine for the most part. That cloud thickening further up the coast of scotland. So the west coast of scotland. So a little light and drizzle is little light rain and drizzle is possible here, most of possible here, but for most of us tonight, well be dry. Theyll be clear spells, but it wont be as chilly as the night just the warmer air is in, just gone. The warmer air is in, so temperatures likely to hold up the teens for most of us. Up in the teens for most of us. And will lead a warmer and that will lead into a warmer feel for sure. Again feel tomorrow for sure. Again its not blue sky everywhere. Its not wall to wall sunshine. Far from it. But i think well all notice that warmer feel some spots of rain possible over the mountains southwest scotland. Mountains in southwest scotland. The elsewhere, maybe the odd shower elsewhere, maybe especially south west especially into the south west later on. For most places later on. But for most places its dry and its fine and it will feel warm in the sunshine. Certainly compared to recent times with temperatures perhaps getting to 26, 27, maybe 28 getting up to 26, 27, maybe 28 celsius, that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers, proud sponsors of weather on. Gb news. Sponsors of weather on. Gb news. Well, i think im to going get the barbecue out this thing you should get the shorts on shorts 27, 28 degrees is stunning. I dont care if the stunning. I dont care if the skies are blue or not, alex. Its if its going to be that sort of wall, well get outside. Well have it perfect. Dont go well have it perfect. Dont go anywhere. Coming up, aidan magee is going to give us all the very latest sports. News 624. Still to come for you, at a 6 45, were talking to immigration minister Robert Jenrick. As the uk strikes jenrick. As the uk strikes a deal with turkey to tackle the small boat crisis and at 7 10, well be talking to liberal democrat mp daisy cooper over the state of the nhs. The state of the nhs. With increasing number of hospitals suffering from chemical leaks and broken fire alarms , theres a bit of an odd alarms, theres a bit of an odd topic for them to focus on. It is a bit well be asking them why, but your thoughts please, this morning on anything were talking about. Gb views. Gbnews. Com. Sports time now gbnews. Com. Sports time now aidan magee joins us in the studio. Good to see you doing good to see you both. Im very well, thank you. Im very well, thank you. Good and Bayern Munich and this deal with with tottenham its still rolling on isnt it. On rolling on and rolling on and rolling on and rolling on. I said it three times because thats bids times because thats three bids weve far. Were bracing weve had so far. Were bracing ourselves tottenham ourselves or tottenham are certainly fourth now, certainly for a fourth bid. Now, the three seen so far are the three weve seen so far are 60, 70 and 86. So that tells you that tottenham doing that tottenham have been doing exactly thing by exactly the right thing by holding a and holding out for a higher and higher because it looks as higher bid because it looks as if were going to receive one for about including add for about 94. 6, including add ons at the weekend. Bayern munich are still in london looking do the deal. Theres looking to do the deal. Theres still Contract Offer harry still a Contract Offer for harry kane at tottenham on the table if wants it, he may just run if he wants it, he may just run down of his contract. Down the rest of his contract. But night they but tellingly last night they played in barcelona, played a friendly in barcelona, which unusual because its so which is unusual because its so close of the season close to the start of the season on sunday, they agreed take on sunday, they agreed to take it on the proviso they it on the on the proviso they could fly in and fly out on the same but harry kane was same day. But harry kane was left of that match and left out of that match and thats a big glamour friendly normally contractual normally as a contractual obligation, to play obligation, you have to play your in those in your best players in those in those matches. Were aware those matches. Were not aware of he may have been of an injury. He may have been rested, seems a bit rested, but it seems a bit peculiar me and it makes me peculiar to me and it makes me think maybe, maybe there think that maybe, maybe there might a deadlock now be might be a deadlock now to be broken munich broken with Bayern Munich finally and finally coming forward and whoever is, i mean, whoever the player is, i mean, steven, £94. 6 million for a player who can walk for player who can walk away for nothing hes nothing next summer. And hes nothing next summer. And hes not any player, its the not just any player, its the england captain. Its their top player. Realise player. They have to realise some this some value on this player. I believe. And going to germany, as yesterday, gets him as i said yesterday, gets him out which minimises out of england, which minimises the for tottenham the embarrassment for tottenham. Back and score. Should he come back and score goals team. As goals for another team. And as i say, allows them to realise say, it allows them to realise some some its just some some value and its just got to get it sorted. Though the uncertainty is damaging now. Is, yeah. But hes, well, it is, yeah. But hes, hes also holds all the hes also he also holds all the cards here so he said a few cards here so, so he said a few weeks ago id like this done now. Respected my club and now. Ive respected my club and expect out of respect to my future employers, this future employers, id like this done play brentford, done before we play brentford, which the which is on sunday in the premier league , and looks as premier league, and it looks as if we could get there. If we could we could get there. However, hes not against hes not against saying hes just built massive mansion down built this massive mansion down in surrey a in wentworth in surrey with a golf course it and all sorts golf course in it and all sorts of modern contraptions you of other modern contraptions you can for. Can rent it can use it for. You can rent it out for a for a year or so, cant he . Oh, very good. There you go. Well have it. There you go. Well have it. Told that im told that im told that im told that tottenham are trying to get a buy back into the buy back clause into the contract as which would contract as well, which would give first option should contract as well, which would give kane irst option should contract as well, which would give kane comeition should contract as well, which would give kane comeition rto� uld contract as well, which would give kane comeition rto england harry kane come back to england the or 3 years. All the next 2 or 3 years. All right. Oh, thats interesting. Oh, thats interesting. Good idea. Yes, very good idea. Yes, very good idea. All right. Lets talk wolverhampton wanderers. Should we . Julen, lopetegui. Wolverhampton wanderers. Should we fantastic. 1, lopetegui. Wolverhampton wanderers. Should we fantastic. 1, lop theyve they have to make a profit this sustainability profit under this sustainability and profit rules that the fifa have down. We it ffp, have laid down. We call it ffp, and that a lot of and that means that a lot of players to have to go. Players are going to have to go. Ruben neves went to saudi arabia, raul jimenez went to fulham. Coady has gone to fulham. Conor coady has gone to leicester. Players for leicester. Three key players for them three days. Them over the last three days. Theyve players. I theyve signed two players. I mean, they cant score goals. Last was issue. Last season that was the issue. And so do you sign a and yet so who do you sign a full back and a third choice goalkeeper theyre for in a real struggle weve struggle next season. Weve entered now you entered the era now where you have £100 million every have to spend £100 million every summer. Stand summer. Steven just to stand still moment, wolves still and at the moment, wolves are spent a very small amount of money and theyve let players go. To be a real go. Its going to be a real struggle season. Struggle for them next season. Gary hes gary oneill looks like hes going take over. Hes going to have to take over. Hes the who came in from nowhere the guy who came in from nowhere last season saved last season and saved bournemouth going down bournemouth from going down a hell and he hell of an achievement and he was with sack last was rewarded with the sack last summer discernible summer for no discernible reason. Walk into a reason. But he could walk into a job wolves. Job at wolves. Mean, look, does it but i mean, look, does it look lopeteguis walked but i mean, look, does it look this . Opeteguis walked but i mean, look, does it look this . And aguis walked but i mean, look, does it look this . And ifuis walked but i mean, look, does it look this . And ifuis \really from this . And if hes really unhappy spending unhappy with the spending plan, i mean, we look at i mean, normally we look at people perhaps people being sacked, but perhaps hes story. Yeah. Ill tell you a story. Yeah. I they dont tend to i mean, yeah, they dont tend to walk. Remember asking walk. I mean i remember asking gareth a Gareth Southgate when i was a young reporter he was young reporter in 2009, he was manager of middlesbrough and they bad run and they they were in a bad run and they lost to Manchester City away. And after the and i said to him after the game, you going to resign, game, are you going to resign, gareth . 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Youre watching gb news, britains channel morning to you. Its 632. Mariellas has been in touch on the Civil Service and she says its quite tricky, she says, because were talking about whether whether theyre overpaid basically theyve doubled the number of people earning over 100,000 and increase the numbers by 100,000 over the last seven years. Boris johnson says he was going to reduce it by 100,000. Marielle says quite a few of my friends work in the Civil Service. They openly admit their jobs are a openly admit theirjobs are a doddle. In fact, many are bored doddle. In fact, many are bored , but they stay because the moneys good. They can work from moneys good. They can work from home and do lots of little jobs dunng home and do lots of little jobs during working day. Oh during their working day. Oh mariella, its quite telling , mariella, its quite telling, isnt it . But i have a friend who works in Civil Service and totally the opposite. I mean, she earns very good money, but shes in the office day and office every single day and she works bone. So works herself to the bone. So i think it does depend on who you work and Department Work for and what department youre yeah, i mean, as youre in. But yeah, i mean, as mariella there are people mariella says, there are people who it easy. Christina who do have it easy. Christina says if these Civil Servants dont go back to the office, perhaps should be made perhaps they should be made redundant. They redundant. And joyce says they are and underworked , are overpaid and underworked, but not a lot of sympathy out there for them morning. There for them this morning. Does depend on but i think it does depend on a basis with with a case by case basis with with these people. Theyre always these people. Theyre always whatever line of work here and theres always some people who get doing very little. Theres always some people who get thats doing very little. 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The independent leads with britains toughest new sanctions imposed on countries aiding russia in the war on ukraine. The i reports on a weight loss jab that can cut the risk of heart problems. Of heart problems. And the sun has i like it. The words from one of the immigrants who boarded the migrant barge yesterday and the headuneif migrant barge yesterday and the headline if youre on the radio listening on the radio as labour and lefty lawyers moan about the cruel barge and the first arrivals says , i like it , says arrivals says, i like it, says it all, wow. It all, wow. Here to discuss the papers in more detail is former conservative adviser Claire Pearsall and the olympian chris acas. Very good to see you both acas. Very good to see you both this morning. Your team. Claire, this morning. Your team. Claire, lets start with you, shall we, in this new my husband many of the papers to be fair, it is and this is a really good idea. The government has come up with something thats remarkably sensible. You look at where the people trafficking gangs are taking their customers , which is taking their customers, which is in turkey. They tend to cross in turkey. They tend to cross over the border into turkey. So over the border into turkey. So if you can start to look at the criminal gangs working over there and crash those, then youre halfway to dealing with the problem. And theres also quite interesting that a lot of the dinghies and the motors for for the the dinghies are coming also through turkey. So you start to look at where where your problems are, where the boats are coming from, where the motors are coming from and the people smugglers, which appears to be in cafes in istanbul. But its one thing to smash the gangs. The gangs. Right . Thats a good move. Were to talking ben habib earlier saying, when it earlier on saying, well, when it comes equipment, well, comes to the equipment, well, its supply chain. You could you could actually get that anywhere if yes you could. If need be. Yes you could. But this seems to the but this seems to be the first government first time the government is actually that you need first time the government is acstart that you need first time the government is acstart breaking that you need first time the government is acstart breaking down you need first time the government is ac start breaking down the need to start breaking down the business model. Now, if you take down people smugglers , thats down people smugglers, thats fantastic. But we all know that if you take one group out, another will in its another one will form in its place. But the actual physical place. But the actual physical boats, the dinghies , the boats, the dinghies, the outboards, the life jackets , outboards, the life jackets, things like that are essential to these crossings. So you do need to start smashing that supply chain. So for once, the government is looking at this as a proper solution rather than just doing piecemeal bits and bobs and turkey , i think will bobs and turkey, i think will benefit enormously from this because they take in a large number of refugees themselves. They dont want to be known as the people smuggling capital of the people smuggling capital of the east. So i think that the middle east. So i think that they will work extremely hard with us and the nca. So i think it this feels very, very positive. And its the one positive. And its the one immigration story that ive seen for a long time, lets put it that way , that actually looks to that way, that actually looks to tackle the problem. Tackle the problem. Yeah, i mean, to me it makes sense, you know, to go to the source and to disrupt the issues at the source. But clearly , by at the source. But clearly, by the time the immigration immigrants have reached our shores and our waters , you know, shores and our waters, you know, theres so much logistics to go on that i think if you can break it at the beginning, its a great, great idea. Great, great idea. Okay. Let us know what you think that chris. Think about that one, chris. Lets a look at the front lets have a look at the front of guardian. Should we . And of the guardian. Should we . And this potential now for Water Companies to face this massive lawsuit effectively saying, look, we pay our bills, therefore we expect you to treat sewage . Yeah, you know, in my time ive done a bit of work with Water Companies and i have to say that when ive worked with them, ive found them to be extremely and extremely diligent and hardworking moral conscience. So the idea , the that there so the idea, the that there has been some sort of breakdown and that we have sewage in our rivers and waterways and potentially we, you know, coming down the foss is quite alarming. And i know that there were some triathletes for example, who were ill because of, you know, swimming in the in the open water. And before we get excited, this is a class action of potentially 20 million, 20 million citizens who could get slices, 800 million. That actually is £43 per household. So its not going to get rich on this class action. I think the actual issue is about trust in the guardian. Theres a piece which says Customers Put their trust in Water Companies believing they are correctly reporting their spillages. Now the way they cost a charge on pollution engines , pollution pollution engines, pollution incidents and control of all sewage. Now the idea, you know, we do trust is and we have we put trust in our institutions. Put trust in our institutions. And you think theyre totally qualified and that their product is reliable. Well, and the idea is reliable. Well, and the idea that you cannot rely on the cleanliness of our waterways is a very serious indictment. And a very serious indictment. And of these major utilities and theres a saying in nigeria where my parents come from may be under water is life. It is life. Its teeming with life and it sustains us. And so they really do need to get their act in gear here is a indictment. Now of the six water authorities have said, well, three of them have said, well, three of them have have not come back, but three of them said this is not true. We are on top of things. True. We are on top of things. And so itll be interesting to see how things pan out. But this is a very serious issue. What do you reckon , claire . What do you reckon, claire . Because, they may be because, look, they may be launching some of them launching a defence already, but the evidence would seem to point the other way. Other way. So it certainly does. And when you that in this when you think that in this country have no choice over country you have no choice over your water supply, you have to pay your water supply, you have to pay for a company to take the waste away and bring you clean water. You have no choice. You cant shop around. And the cant shop around. And the profits that theyre making are enormous. Its embarrassing that we have so many leaks in the road. I look at my own Water Company throughout kent and the state of the roads and the pipes, and theres always a burst somewhere the burst main somewhere along the line, water bills dont go line, my water bills dont go down the down for all of the inconvenience , all the inconvenience, all of the water that lose. And then have that they lose. And then to have raw being dumped because raw sewage being dumped because they havent treated it, they think they get away with it. Think they can get away with it. I it astonishing that they i find it astonishing that they can launch any kind of defence. What so ever because it is obvious. S what so ever because it is obvious. S the what so ever because it is obvious. S the tests are there, obvious. S the tests are there, theyre done on the water. And as you say with those triathletes who were open water swimming have come down with illnesses and the tests on the water proved that there was e coli at a really high level in the water, that these people were swimming. So how can that were swimming. So how can that be allowed to continue . I mean, thats what i find very, very difficult , is the enormous difficult, is the enormous profits they make , the excuses profits they make, the excuses that they have and the works that they have and the works that they have and the works that they dont carry out. So im all for this. That they dont carry out. So im all for this. And i think im all for this. And i think more class action suits should come along. You have to ask yourself also what the regulators doing what the regulators are doing off we whats off off what we know, whats off doing it, and i remember doing about it, and i remember a few ago there was an idea few weeks ago there was an idea that some of the off what people, finished their that some of the off what peopithere, finished their that some of the off what peopithere, they finished their that some of the off what peopithere, they they ished their that some of the off what peopithere, they they get d their term there, they they get non executive non executive board directorships on some of these companies. So these Water Companies. So clearly theres a challenge there with the veracity of that relationship up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It doesnt smell right, does it . Boo boo certainly does it. It . Boo boo certainly does it. Well , claire, lets look at well, claire, lets look at the front page of the eye, shall we . And this is about the weight loss jab, which we hear so much about is about at the moment. So this is about at the moment. So this is a new potential which a new potential benefit, which cuts heart problems, risks . Cuts heart problems, risks . Well, it does. This is the obesity drug wegovy. I believe its pronounced. They found now throughout trials that it can cut the threat of heart attacks and strokes. So a drug that was mainly designed to help people with type 2 diabetes was then found to have the side effects of weight loss and now can can help heart attacks. I think this puts pressure on to the nhs to look at what drugs we have available and put the testing in to see if this really does work. Because if we can stop people from having that risk of stroke and heart attack, then i think this is worth investing in. It will help the nhs in the long run. But unfortunately, as we all know, these things take a very, very long time to come through. But the i believes around 4 Million People are expected to be eligible for the drug when it launches. I expected to be eligible for the drug when it launches. I mean, thatis drug when it launches. I mean, that is an enormous part of our population. And surely as a population. And surely as a pubuc population. And surely as a public effort , we need to Public Health effort, we need to make this work. Its in interesting that we all focus uponit interesting that we all focus upon it for its weight loss ability because we all want to look pretty. Absolutely. But you know, you start looking at it in private prescriptions are incredibly expensive and the push towards people buying it privately has led to those people who actually need it on the nhs not being able to get hold of it. Ill tell you what, ill tell you slightly you what worries me slightly about , and im trying to about this, and im trying to take view , but the take a broader view, but the idea that this if this is provided on the nhs for as a preventative measure, well, thats not what the nhs was designed for. Im not saying its a bad thing , but the nhs its a bad thing, but the nhs wasnt designed to have the funding to pay for preventative measures. Measures. Yeah. So. So im with you, stephen, and its actually quite alarming because i can see people relying on appeal to, to, to stave off, like you said, diabetes or heart attack strokes when actually what they need to do is go and do a bit of exercise and someone else saw that 62 of the United Kingdom are classified as obese. Now i dont know what the classification is , how you classification is, how you measure that, but that is the challenge that actually we need to reduce that to a i dont know, 1 in 5 or 20 population. And deal with the risk of heart attacks, etcetera, etcetera. But but getting yourself in shape , but getting yourself in shape, you know, and its easy for me. You know, and its easy for me. Ive been in relative shape most of my life and so maybe, you know, i dont understand how difficult it is for some people. And i can understand that for some people a real some people theres a real medical means that some people theres a real mediproduce means that some people theres a real mediproduce more means that some people theres a real mediproduce more whatever at some people theres a real mediproduce more whatever it is they produce more whatever it is that makes them overweight. But that makes them overweight. But 62 of us are overweight or obese. What was obese . That is challenging. I mean, i noticed walking down, i was only thinking about it the other day, walking down the street. And the vast the street. And the vast majority of people were yes , larger. Yeah. Yeah. And yeah. And its yeah. And its not yeah. And its not to yeah. And its not to be critical not being critical of this, but it is the way society is going. But its not good. No well, its not healthy. And you know, people are going to have strokes. People are going to have heart attacks, you know, so lets get on top of this and thank you very much for the drug thats lovely. But dont rely on appeal to stave off this life threatening. Threatening. But i do think that the nhs needs to look at Preventative Care rather than just being the ones to pick up the pieces and put people back together if they possibly can. I think Preventative Care actually is going more beneficial in going to be more beneficial in the long get people the long run. You get people healthier the earlier you catch these things earlier, the longevity of their life, they may cost less , and especially if may cost less, and especially if its more cost effective. I mean, if 62 of the population obese, i mean , population are obese, i mean, that could be expensive, which is to obesity. How do is linked to obesity. So how do you preventative measures the you preventative measures is the best to go. Best way to go. So would you incentivise so how would you incentivise an population . An a population . I mean, basically lucre, money, how would you incentivise people to actually look after themselves . So that for example, there shouldnt have should you shouldnt have to should you you shouldnt have to should you you should incentivise. Should have to incentivise. Right and but i think youre right and i have i think that you will have to look incentivise look at how you incentivise people, whether to be people, whether its going to be more access to different kinds of sport, make that easier for people to do. And i know we bang on all the time, but on about it all the time, but exercise is the best way, sitting olympian sitting here with an olympian who. But it is but a lot of who. But it is but a lot of people find it really hard to access whether its equipment thats expensive , whether it is thats expensive, whether it is clubs are expensive and the time we all have to give up to do it. So i think that need to look so i think that you need to look at insurance is. At the Way Insurance is. Insurances go down. Insurances levels go down. Maybe you can buy things cheaper because of your your health. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think nutrition should be taughtin i think nutrition should be taught in schools. I think there are many things at school that i was taught that didnt actually come any real life benefit to come to any real life benefit to me. Whereas actually nutrition. Me. Whereas actually nutrition. Yeah, yeah. If youre taught that and take it that at an early age and take it through well thats through life, well thats it. Home its things like Home Economics was going economics cooking that was going to exactly how economics bafics yeah but theres no focus on that now. That now. Sadly not. Weve all moved on the curriculum has moved on. We want children learn facts want our children to learn facts and figures, great, but and figures, which is great, but also those skills things also those soft skills of things like cooking and enjoying food are lost. I know that my Cooking Skills are nowhere near as good as my mums were. Yeah she tried to teach me. I failed to pay attention, but its one of those things that i think is really, really important to get back is just learning that skill of understanding how food works, where from , and what where it comes from, and what you it. You can do with it. I agree entirely. I do yeah, i agree entirely. I do. Lets talk about private schools. Chris in the telegraph. Yes. Yeah yeah. I mean, i was thinking here when i was going through this one, dont cry for me. Argentina you know, i can imagine a lot of people thinking, well, yeah, you know, if you can afford you and thinking, well, yeah, you know, if y can3n afford you and thinking, well, yeah, you know, if y can3n affo 50 you and thinking, well, yeah, you know, if y can3n affo 50 grand,u and thinking, well, yeah, you know, if y can3n affo 50 grand, butnd you can afford 50 grand, but but basically school fees are certain. Certainly the top ten certain. Certainly the top ten schools country are going certain. Certainly the top ten sche ls country are going certain. Certainly the top ten sche over country are going certain. Certainly the top ten sche over 50 country are going certain. Certainly the top ten sche over 50 grand ry are going certain. Certainly the top ten sche over 50 grand ry send ing to be over 50 grand to send to a young person to school for per annum. But the trickle down is annum. But the trickle down is that all school fees then are going to be rising and a lot of people go there, for example, like military military personnel send their people to private schools because theyre travelling around so many times every three years somewhere else. So you want your child to be a school. Divorced be secure in a school. Divorced people send people to schools , people send people to schools, double income kids, you know, with the with the current economy, inflation. So youve got to both go out to work. And so you send your children to private so this is private schools. So this is actually quite challenge. And actually quite a challenge. And then labour then youve got the labour potential government coming in saying that theyre going to put vat increase onto private school bills. So actually this does bills. So actually this does affect us all in some way, shape or form. Or form. Yeah. Yeah. You dont like private schools . Im not. Im not a fan. And its not to criticise anyone who sends their kids to a private school. But you know, i went to school. But you know, i went to a comp and i sort of i think the problem with private schools would seem to be that it does and the education you get out of them is brilliant. But it does seem to create a bit of a two tier its the haves and tier society. Its the haves and the. Yeah. So and, the have nots. Yeah. So and, and that me a little bit. So that worries me a little bit. So all of my children, my current youngsters live in private school and my previous two are big children now. To school they went to private school and they were state school till 11 where you mix and mingle and you get to know butcher baker , you get to know butcher baker, candlestick maker. But there is something about private school and the sheer focus on a group of people who really want to learn to grow and to develop. Learn to grow and to develop. And yes, of course there is the added benefit of Networking Opportunities with people, which is not not the right thing to say, but well , no, no, its very different. Id say its not its not to criticise those people. You criticise those people. You know, you want to send your kids to you can to private school, you can afford to do it. Its like, you know, clearly know, and there are clearly benefits to it. Its just i dont know, it just, it just sits a little bit uncomfortable with comprehensive school. Yeah. And i was your yeah. And i was your nightmare. For you guys, nightmare. So you for you guys, do to work hard . Nightmare. So you for you guys, do with to work hard . Nightmare. So you for you guys, do with me to work hard . Nightmare. So you for you guys, do with me laughing work hard . Nightmare. So you for you guys, do with me laughing inrk hard . Nightmare. So you for you guys, do with me laughing in yourrd . Not with me laughing in your ear. Flicking and ear. Not with me flicking and teachers. Not me going out teachers. Not with me going out to out getting the cane. No, no, no , martin. No, no, no, martin. No. One. You be the troublemaker. Martin. No, but youve come good as a result of it. Result of it. All right, claire, what do you make of that story . Well, i that its well, i think that its entirely people to choose entirely up to people to choose how they educate their children. You yes. There are benefits to going to private school, but how about we turn the argument around and just make the state provision that much better . Why does this have to be one or the other . Can have both systems other . You can have both systems if people afford it. Thats if people can afford it. Thats fantastic. They are still paying tax. Theyre still paying into tax. Theyre still paying into the state system, which theyre not using. So how about we just not using. So how about we just make system better . Make the state system better . I think is a little bit think that there is a little bit of envy, perhaps from , um, those of envy, perhaps from, um, those on the labour side of this. They dont like private schools , even dont like private schools, even though the majority seem to be privately themselves. I privately educated themselves. I im just really uncomfortable when you start messing around with it, surely it is the whole thing of having the choice to put your child where its best if the state education is better. Thats where people tend to send their children. My child to send their children. My child is at a state boarding school so he kind of gets the best of both worlds. I still have to pay, but worlds. I still have to pay, but not quite as much as going to a private school. But it was the best fit for him. And i think we need to we need to start looking at education as to what is best for the child, what provides kids, those kids with the ability and the opportunities to move on in life. Move on in life. Okay, look, we need to leave it there. Youtube, its been it there. Youtube, its been really good to see you both. This one, well you a little this one, well see you a little bit you. Thank you. Thank you. Now weve been talking and now weve been talking about the governments deal with turkey to try and sort out the migrant crisis. Turkey to try and sort out the migrant crisis. Lets talk to migrant crisis. Lets talk to immigration minister Robert Jenrick , who joins us now. Good jenrick, who joins us now. Good morning to you. Its nice to see you. And what is this going to achieve , do you think . Is it achieve, do you think . Is it really going to be able to stop this at the at the beginning of the problem. The problem. Well, good morning. Absolutely weve been putting a lot of effort and energy into the goal line. If you like, which is the beaches of northern france. And now we want to do at the same time a big effort further upstream in those countries which are either seeing migrants pass through, leave from or or in the case of turkey, where a significant proportion of the boats and the engines are passing through. And so were entering into a new partnership with the government of turkey, which is a close ally of turkey, which is a close ally of the United Kingdom, whereby were going to deepen our partnership on illegal migration with a particular focus on the supply chain of boats and engines and how we can Work Together to smash the gangs and tackle the manufacture and the transport of boats and engines through turkey into europe so that we can really get a grip on this crisis. How much money are you spending on this deal . Well, we are giving some funding to turkey. You would expect that turkey. You would expect that because were going to be working closely with them. But working closely with them. But its not primarily about money. This is mainly about the share of intelligence and information between our world leading police and Security Services and their Law Enforcement. All authorities, so that if we find out something important that can be acted upon swiftly and vice versa, and also the sharing of latest technology and people so that at the critical border between turkey and bulgaria, we are strengthen our relationship there as well as in the big towns and cities of turkey as well. So its a win win for both countries and reflects the fact that the uk wants to be the partner of choice to any country in europe or beyond, which shares our determination to tackle this issue. So how much money are you actually sending to turkey for this . Because ill tell you why it matters because people want value for money. They want to see a return on on investment for people voting in the general election next year. They want to see movement on stopping see some movement on stopping the boats. Now i completely the boats. Now i completely understand that view. And people want us to treat their tax payers money with great care. But what we are great care. But what we are doing is spending some money on this issue. Im not able to say how much this morning, but what we are funding with turkey is Real Investment in core Law Enforcement capability with a centre of excellence whereby my Turkish National police will be training up to tackle this issue in turkey and working very closely with the National Crime agency. Our police and border force here in the United Kingdom. So this is serious , kingdom. So this is serious, this hard edged stuff, which is going to make a difference to smashing the gangs, seizing, disrupting the flow of the engines and the boats into europe , which i hope will make europe, which i hope will make a real Material Impact on the crisis. And it reflects the fact, as i say, that we want to abut the work that were doing in france and belgium with work further upstream. And its not further upstream. And its not just about turkey. Ive also just about turkey. Ive also been visiting tunisia, algeria to italy, other countries which are really on the front line of europes migration crisis and trying to build the best possible diplomatic relations with those countries. And seeing how we can partner with them to tackle this issue together. Because a shared problem the whole of europe is facing this issue and its likely to for some time to come. And so its critical that the uk is seen as the partner of choice for any other country that really wants to this issue the to tackle this issue with the kind determination kind of grit and determination that. That we do. Okay, mr jenrick, that we do. Okay, mrjenrick, really good okay, mr jenrick, really good to to this morning. Okay, mr jenrick, really good to very this morning. Okay, mr jenrick, really good to very much morning. Okay, mr jenrick, really good to very much indeed g. 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It will be quite cloudy in the west. The cloud thickening now across Northern Ireland where we are likely to see little bit are likely to see a little bit of light rain and drizzle. And the west coast the same goes for the west coast of wales possibly a spot of of wales to possibly a spot of light rain here. Quite murky around some of the coast in South West England and clouding over scotland. Over in south west scotland. Still across the far still windy across the far north east through shetland, but for most of the country, dry and bright sunshine and a bit bright, hazy sunshine and a bit warmer than it has been by this afternoon. Temperatures getting quite widely into the low 20s. Quite widely into the low 20s. But thursday it will be warmer still. Before we get there, though , this evening, staying though, this evening, staying fine for the most part. That cloud thickening further up the west of scotland. A west coast of scotland. So a little rain and drizzle is little light rain and drizzle is possible here, but for most of us well dry , us tonight, well be dry, theyll clear spells, it theyll be clear spells, but it wont be as chilly as the night just gone. The warmer is in, just gone. The warmer air is in, so temperatures likely to hold up for most of us. Up in the teens for most of us. And will lead into a warmer and that will lead into a warmer feel tomorrow for sure. Again, its not blue sky everywhere. Its not wall to wall sunshine, far from it. But i think well all notice that warmer feel some spots rain possible over the spots of rain possible over the mountain south west scotland. Spots of rain possible over the mouodd1 south west scotland. Spots of rain possible over the mouodd showerth west scotland. Spots of rain possible over the mouodd shower elsewhere,otland. Spots of rain possible over the mouodd shower elsewhere, maybe the odd shower elsewhere, maybe especially into the south west later on. But for most places its dry and its fine. And it will feel warm in the sunshine. Certainly compared recent certainly compared to recent times with temperatures perhaps getting up to 26, 27, maybe 28 celsius, that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers proud sponsors of weather on gb news. Lots more still to come. Massive data breaches across the uk and particularly in Northern Ireland. Details ahead. Good morning. 7 00 on wednesday, the 9th of august. Today a massive data breach hits the uk more than 40 million of us might have had our details stolen. And on top of that, in a major blunder, the Police Service in Northern Ireland has released details tens of thousands of its officers and civilian staff. Officers and civilian staff. If the government strikes a deal with turkey to make it easier to return Illegal Migrants who come here on small boats. Boats. Were going to be asking the question about foxes today. Are they friend or foe . The study has found that urban foxes are bolder than their rural peers, but he fed up with them, prowling round on the streets. They are very cute, though. Well also have your latest Weather Forecast. Weather forecast. A bit of a chilly one out there this morning, but it is going warm up this afternoon going to warm up this afternoon and warmer still tomorrow with many of us seeing sunny spells. Full forecast coming up later. Good morning to you. Well, well, yeah. Well no, fair point. I thought you mean about me talking. Yeah, on that. Yeah, on that. Yeah, on that. Were very happy that youre here. Yeah. Thank you very much. Its. Its. Its. Im Stephen Dixon. Im Stephen Dixon. Costello. Im Ellie Costello. Im Ellie Costello. Thank you. Im Ellie Costello. And1k you. Im Ellie Costello. And this u. Im Ellie Costello. And this is breakfast on gb news. News. What have we got in the world of views this morning . Lots and lots of views, so do keep them coming in morning keep them coming in this morning on data breach. On the data breach. Data breaches on the data breach. Were data breaches on the data breach. Were talking ata breaches on the data breach. Were talking abouteaches on the data breach. Were talking about thisas that were talking about this morning. Is electoral morning. One is the Electoral Commission 40 million voters could have been exposed in that cyber attack. Theres also a massive cyber attack from the Police Service of Northern Ireland. Every single Police Officer has been named in that. It was published in human error just defy belief, really. Just defy belief, really. It happened. It happened. Yeah, exactly. Questions will yeah, exactly. Questions will be asked. Lindas been in touch saying, well, these data breaches are becoming more common. I was informed by my pension provider in june that a russian backed cyber attack was discovered back in march, and all of the main details of pensioners, including names , pensioners, including names, addresses, date of birth, bank details and National Insurance numbers, basically everything that you need to set up on your identity had been taken from them. Them. Yeah, i mean, thats worrying because you do wonder what they quite use it for. Because you do wonder what they quite use it for. Alex quite what they use it for. Alex says. From the hacking of Telecommunications Companies to the publishing of Police Officers details the idea of private data has become a distant memory and i guess that is that is true. Everything is is that is true. Everything is available now , now, isnt it . Available now, now, isnt it . You can you can hack all of this sort of stuff, terrify thing. And its the fact that these hackers are so sophisticated that can actually lie under the radar. They can go undetected for months. For months. And thats whats happened with the Electoral Commission 14 months. This data is being drained out and it wasnt known, wasnt detected. Wasnt detected. Ed, its terrifying thought, isnt it . So there will be isnt it . So there will be questions asked about how this happenedin questions asked about how this happened in the place happened in the first place and then to it in then what you do to stop it in then what you do to stop it in the mean, obviously the future. I mean, obviously those systems are going to have to totally relooked at. To be totally relooked at. Would think so. But you would think so. But anyway, of northern anyway, in terms of Northern Ireland, it was a request under the freedom of information act and so someones just messed up basically. But its got huge consequence. Ces as a result, consequence. Ces as a result, the Police Service of Northern Ireland has apologised to officers and civilian staff after mis mistakenly publishing the data of every serving employee in that data breach. Well, it involved names, ranks and other personal data of staff. Well, the assistant chief constable has apologised for the human error and says it will be investigated. Investigated. I understand that that will be of considerable concern to many of my colleagues and their families. Indeed, at the moment we operate in an environment at the moment where theres a Severe Threat to our colleagues from Northern Ireland related terrorism, and this is the last thing anybody thing that anybody in the organisation wants to be hearing this. This evening. Well, joining us live now from psni headquarters is dougie beattie, our Northern Ireland. Reporter good morning to you, dougie. I mean, this could be of huge consequence to these Police Officers, couldnt it. Officers, couldnt it. Well, good morning. And yes, it could. I mean, i couldnt it could. I mean, i couldnt actually believe this last night when i heard this coming out, i was thinking, no, no, this cannot be right, because this leaves a couple of real major problems in its wake. First of all, how on earth did someone have access to that type of information at such a low level that they could send it out unchallenged as an foi and then how did the website not look at what they had in their hands and pubush what they had in their hands and publish it . And this causes lots of other problems, as is what happens next. The psni, of course, wants that information is out there. Theres no bringing it back so they cant unemploy all their staff and then re employ them. But they may have to redeploy them in other places and other stations around the province because of course security in Northern Ireland has always been very, very high. We only have to go back a couple of months. And i was standing here reporting on the attempted of john the attempted murder of john colwell, a psni officer that had his life nearly taken from him outside a Leisure Centre in omagh. And when you read this document, you will be amazed that the service number, the initial, the surname and the rank and most of all what station these people are actually deployed in are on that. And that goes for the civilians that are in this as well. And the chief constable really has a problem. Now. He is on holidays at this moment in time , and apparently he is aware time, and apparently he is aware of the situation and the policing Board Meeting is actually tomorrow morning at 10 00. And thats where politics happens here in Northern Ireland. Hold the Police Service to account and can the chief constable hold on in his position, particularly that his business here is security and a breach on this scale will come back and lie at his feet . Back and lie at his feet . Yeah, i mean, the problem with this is, dougie, youve already alluded to it, to be fair. But its what on earth do these, what, 10,000 or so people do over the coming days . I mean, just for how long will they have to be potentially at least looking over their shoulder. For looking over their shoulder. For well, if youre a member of the Police Service of Northern Ireland, you will always look over your shoulder. You will always start the car with the door open. Unfortunately, always start the car with the d this actually is. And any terrorists out, never mind irish dissident terrorists use those in an International Scale would be interested in this type of information. Okay , dougie, thanks very okay, dougie, thanks very much indeed. Okay, dougie, thanks very much indeed. I okay, dougie, thanks very much indeed. I mean, it just much indeed. I mean, it just beggars belief. I mean , someones made i mean, someones made a mistake here. And its not to vilify them, because if that person happens to be sat at home watching this with their head hands with their head in their hands this people all make this morning and people all make mistakes, but its a big one. Its a big one with real consequences. Yeah. And i dont consequences. Yeah. And i dont know how you get around it. This is the problem and its the context of this leak as well. Context of this leak as well. Im glad that dougie mentioned dci John Caldwell there, the first there, because thats the first person thought of this. Person i thought of in this. Hes that was shot person i thought of in this. He february. That was shot person i thought of in this. Hefebruary. Life that was shot person i thought of in this. Hefebruary. Life changing;hot in february. Life changing injuries from being shot. Hes a serving Police Officer in Northern Ireland. He was targeted. And you fear with 10,000 names. And what station they are based at. You fear that there could be further targeted attacks . Well, you do worry. I mean , well, you do worry. I mean, look, the blessing is that , you look, the blessing is that, you know, phone numbers and addresses werent published with all of this. But in the world of all of this. But in the world of google and facebook and all the rest of it, it doesnt take a lot of piecing together. Yeah, especially for people who know what theyre doing. If you are a serving Police Officer now in Northern Ireland, you must be, well, terrified and angry as well. You must be, well, terrified and angry as well. I you must be, well, terrified and angry as well. I can you must be, well, terrified and angry as well. I can imagine. Very angry. And if you want to talk to us this morning, gb views gbnews. Com you can do it confidentially of course, we dont have to use any real details , but. Any of your real details, but. But feel to free get but you know, feel to free get in touch. Love to hear in touch. Wed love to hear from you we would, yeah. Now the uk and turkey have struck a new deal to address the surge in illegal migration, which will focus on coordinated efforts to disrupt the supply chains and dismantle people smuggling gangs. Well, the agreement will also see Operator Centre set up see a new Operator Centre set up in turkey by the National Police there, as well as a faster exchange of data to and other intelligence. Well lets get some analysis now from Deputy Editor of spiked fraser myers. Morning to you, fraser. Good morning to you, fraser. Good morning. Good to see you. So what do you make of this deal then and do you think it will actually the boats . Actually stop the boats . Have high hopes i dont have high hopes necessarily, but its a new component to the governments strategy. So this is looking at the supply chain of the small boats themselves. So the vast boats themselves. So the vast majority of these dinghies, around 90 of them are believed to be manufactured in turkey. Theyre then given a sort of chinese engine attached to chinese made engine attached to them. Theyre stored in germany. They go via bulgaria and then theyre sent to france on demand. Now, the reason i feel that it probably might not work is because of the sheer amount of money that is being made by these traffickers. You these people traffickers. You know, its comparable to the war on. No. One, you know, on drugs. No. One, you know, we can much as we can crack down as much as we like. We like. It doesnt mean we shouldnt down, we shouldnt crack down, but we shouldnt crack down, but we shouldnt necessarily believe that wont find that theyre wont find alternatives. See what im struck by with all of this is, is the attitudes of people like you. Fraser which ties in with what ben habib was telling us earlier on. Obviously weve had the immigration minister saying its a great thing, going to make great strides. Claire pearce saying she thinks its a really positive move. So people really positive move. So people either seem to be very for this or very blase about it. Well, im not saying that they shouldnt go after these supply chains. They absolutely should. And they really crack on they should really crack down on these just these criminal gangs. Its just that when you can charge £1,000 to 50 people for a boat that costs you £1,000 to make, i think that, you know, criminals are pretty smart. They will find loopholes and ways around it and they will find ways to evade it. Now the other thing is that were talking about turkey here. I mean, theres some suggestion that we might be able to send people back turkey. People back to turkey. Thats also small component of also a very small component of the picture. I think the overall picture. I think about 2 of arrivals on small boats come from turkey. So its not quite like the albania deal that the government struck where they managed to actually bring they managed to actually bring the numbers down quite significantly. Yeah, what i dont all dont understand with all of this on a context why this on a wider context is why we have these problems. And we decide someone and if we decide someone should be deported , we still should be deported, we still have, then all these problems deport actually deporting them because countries dont want because the countries dont want them back. Because the countries dont want the well, k. Because the countries dont want the well, exact plea. And a lot well, exact plea. And a lot of the time, you know, one of the big problems is that many asylum of Asylum Seekers just get rid of their and things like their passports and things like that. Dont know where that. We often dont know where to them to and we to deport them to and we obviously cant deport them too, if they are genuinely from an at risk country. You cant start sending people back to places like iraq or syria. Also easily. You know, a lot of the time that goes against the Refugee Convention and things like that. But where do we therefore but where do we then therefore stand with people who are theres this whole safe country issue. Isnt there . So if people are coming over from france and oh, france arent going to like it, but why can we not send them back to france . Well i think thats what is scratching a lot of peoples heads. I suppose theyre not no longer responsible party of longer the responsible party of france. Think france are quite france. I think france are quite happy to send. Sure they are well, yeah, im sure they are on, under eu on, you know, under the eu rules, supposed to claim rules, youre supposed to claim asylum in the very first place that land. That you land. That that people recognise that that would on would probably be unfair on greece and anywhere greece and italy and anywhere thats in the in the med , thats in the in the med, theyre being, you know, the countries that receive these countries that receive all these migrants. Countries that receive all these migrants. But countries that receive all these migrants. But yeah, you know migrants. But yeah, you know what . Think no one has any what . I think no one has any answers to this. I think thats why debate rumbles its why this debate rumbles on. Its why this debate rumbles on. Its why labour havent proposed any solutions. For instance, you know, theyre happy to say we wouldnt this way, but wouldnt do it this way, but they their own ideas they wont give their own ideas or they say, we or answers. They say, we wouldnt be in this position and wont give any further details. Wont give any further details. Yeah, theres cost issue as yeah, theres a cost issue as well with all of this, isnt there . Were asking there . I mean, were asking robert a figure Robert Jenrick to put a figure on on how this is costing. On on how much this is costing. He didnt do so. On on how much this is costing. He didnt do so. But he didnt want to do so. But that does matter, doesnt it . Because people want to see a return on that investment. They want working. Want to see it working. The telegraph reporting the telegraph is reporting that might be £3 million in that it might be £3 million in volved in this deal, which is, you know, sounds like a big number us, a small number in you know, sounds like a big nungrand us, a small number in you know, sounds like a big nungrand scheme mall number in you know, sounds like a big nungrand scheme of ll number in you know, sounds like a big nungrand scheme of government the grand scheme of government spending. And then also compared spending. And then also compared to , you know, how much are we to, you know, how much are we spending on Asylum Seeker hotels . Thats around £6 million spending on Asylum Seeker h there are so many easy questions , ones like why cant we send people back to france if thats a safe country that theyre travelling from . These very travelling from . These very simple questions that people up and down the country in the pubs of an evening are asking to which we never actually get an answer. I which we never actually get an answer. I complete understand the frustrations of people up and down the country who are frustrated with the fact that the government has effectively broken our asylum system in this country. Country. We, the liberal democrats, have been saying to the government for a very long time that there are that the that there are things that the government to which government could do to which they to do so. They they are failing to do so. They could, example , recreate the could, for example, recreate the safe and legal routes to allow people who are who are coming here from war zones, who will have legitimate claims to access us, access our asylum system in a safe way from abroad , rather a safe way from abroad, rather than risking their lives on the small boats. Weve called on the government to set up an enforcement body to crack down on those unscrupulous employers who exploit people who are either trafficked here or who are paid to be smuggled here. And the government has failed to do well. All the do that as well. All the government could for example, allow people who are claiming asylum to work here in the uk that theyre actually earning money and paying tax so that we, the british taxpayer, dont have to subsidising paying these to be subsidising paying these people tune of millions people to the tune of millions of pounds every single day. The liberal democrats keep giving the government the answers on how to solve issue , and how to solve this issue, and they them, which they keep ignoring them, which is complete mess. Yeah , and although a lot of yeah, and although a lot of that may make some sense in terms of those people who do feel they have a right to be here and can come through, then if youre better legal channels and get processed, its not that in in and of itself wont stop the illegal side of this, will it . Those people who know that they would be rejected if they went through legal channels and so would still to come so would still try to come across on illegal side. Now, across on the illegal side. Now, how would the lib deal with how would the lib dems deal with that . That . Well, as i say, one of the problems we have at the moment is, is actually a huge demand in this country for by these unscrupulous employers. And unscrupulous employers. And thats why these criminal gangs continue to bring people into the country, because they know that there are employers who are going to employ them. What weve going to employ them. What weve been saying is that the government needs to this government needs to create this body, enforcement body body, this enforcement body thats go after those thats going to go after those employers cut the demand employers to cut off the demand. At this end. In the uk. Employers to cut off the demand. At this end. In the uk. And if. At this end. In the uk. And if you can cut off the demand , that you can cut off the demand, that will have an impact on the supply side. Its awful to say it, are these criminal it, but there are these criminal gangs in this gangs that engage in this industry and we can cut off the demand side by really cracking down on it. And i think its just extraordinary that the government has scrapped its plans this very plans to create this very specific enforcement body that weve for. Weve been calling for. To talk to now, youre here to talk to us about a liberal democrat investigation. Youve been looking into hospital leaks and fire alarm floors in england hospitals. Im just wondering , hospitals. Im just wondering, out of all of the issues that are facing the uk today , why are are facing the uk today, why are the lib dems decided to focus on this particular issue . This particular issue . Well , i knock on doors all of well, i knock on doors all of the time. I speak to local the time. I speak to local residents in saint albans and around the country. And whats around the country. And whats clear to me is that what people across the country want to be talking about is the state of our nhs. We already know that in our nhs. We already know that in hospitals around england there are hospitals that have had sewage leaks. We know that there are hospitals that have have got crumbling hospital roofs that are propped up with steel are being propped up with steel bars. But our most recent investigation now shows that many hospitals have also suffered from chemical leaks and from fires as well. And just last year, in 2022, our data shows that there were more than 100 chemical leaks and more than a thousand fires in hospitals. A thousand fires in hospitals. And this is incredibly distressing to patients as well as to the nhs staff who are working hospitals , who are working in hospitals, who are entitled to be working in a safe environment. Well , look, its clearly not well, look, its clearly not good , but and it shows the need good, but and it shows the need for some reform within the nhs and how buildings are funded and all the rest of it. However if the lib dems moved away from the position as indeed labour seems to have done, that just throwing more money at the nhs is going to be the answer because it seems clear on just about all sides now that thats not the general thinking. General thinking. Well, i think liberal democrats have been clear that there are choices to be made by any government, and i think the conservative government are making the wrong choices. So give you one quick example. In give you one quick example. In the recent conservative budget , the recent conservative budget, the recent conservative budget, the conservative government gave a £3 billion tax cut to the big banks. Now, i think if you ask any right minded person in the uk , they would much rather see uk, they would much rather see the conservative government reverse that tax cut on the big banks and spend that £3 billion on almost anything else, whether thats the cost of living , thats the cost of living, whether thats energy bills or whether thats energy bills or whether its fixing our crumbling hospitals around the country. There are many different ways in which the government could be raising taxes on big banks, on the kind of 0. 5 super wealthiest people in the country. But whenever we put these ideas forward, the conservative government always decides to make different choices. And i think your choices. And i think your viewers will be shocked to hear that there is that of money that there is that pot of money sitting government that there is that pot of money sitting to government that there is that pot of money sitting to 1spending1t that there is that pot of money sitting to 1spending on could raise to be spending on things like fixing hospital roofs. Roofs. What would the lib dems do to tackle waiting lists tackle nhs waiting lists currently sitting. At 7. 4 currently sitting. At 7. 4 Million People . Well, one of the big issues we have facing the nhs is the workforce crisis. And we have. Workforce crisis. And we have. And its not only that we havent been recruiting or the conservative government hasnt been recruiting enough people over the few but we over the last few years, but we also face retention crisis also face a retention crisis as well , and also face a retention crisis as well, and many people working in the are looking to leave the the nhs are looking to leave the nhs. Theyre either working in nhs. Theyre either working in different here in the uk different sectors here in the uk or much better or theyre getting much better deals abroad and we actually need to have a really proper, a really proper look recruiting really proper look at recruiting the staff that we need and retaining them. And so the first thing that liberal democrats would do is we would recruit 8000 more gps that would enable people to actually get the help when they need it, rather than waiting until crisis point and presenting at a e. We also need to fix social care as well so people can get out of hospital. So can fix the front door so if you can fix the front door to can fix the to the nhs and you can fix the back door to the nhs, you back door to the nhs, then you relieve pressure hospitals relieve pressure on hospitals which middle. Which are stuck in the middle. Yeah, absolutely. All well, yeah, absolutely. All that costs a lot of money though. Got ask within. But youve got to ask within all of this, its beyond the realms of possibility and youve got to be honest of the lib dems forming the next government from the position that youre currently in and the number of mps moment , the mps you have at the moment, the best you could hope for is that its not out of the realms of possibility is lib lab pact, possibility is a lib lab pact, isnt it . And under those circumstances would you be happy with what the labour party is currently looking at for the nhs in terms of a listen to wes streeting, some some pretty root and Branch Reform . And Branch Reform . Well, the liberal democrats know that there are millions of people across the country, probably including several of your viewers as well, who simply havent decided how theyre going to vote at the next general election. And my job as deputy leader of the liberal democrats is to come on to shows like yours and to about our like yours and to talk about our priority as as the liberal democrats between now and the general im going to general election. Im going to have a laser like focus on trying over vote and trying to win over the vote and trust as people trust of as many people as possible across the uk because our priority is to get as many liberal democrat mps elected as possible. In terms of what possible. In terms of what happens after that, well, thats in the hands of the voters and liberal democrats certainly wont votes wont take any of those votes for. For granted. Cooper as i said to the daisy cooper as i said to the last lib dem we had on not as senior in the party as you, but its really good to have you back doing the circuits. Its been too long without hearing the the liberal the views of the liberal democrats in of this. So we democrats in all of this. So we really appreciate i hope really appreciate it. I hope youll coming on and youll keep coming back on and as often as you like, frankly, just keep coming on. Well always take you. Good to see you i thank 5mm hm thank you. Ill hold you to that. Thank you very much. Yeah, no, absolutely. Yeah, no, absolutely. Important that, yeah, no, absolutely. Know, important that, yeah, no, absolutely. Know, weveortant that, yeah, no, absolutely. Know, weve become at, yeah, no, absolutely. Know, weve become very you know, its weve become very much a sort of two party system at the minute. And theres a theres huge benefits to a third party. And we need to hear the views. And its good to hear their views and their stance on the issues that are affecting this this country at the moment. Because to be honest, we dont know stance on many of those key issues. So its really to issues. So its really good to put the of daisy put it to the likes of daisy cooper to cooper and actually listen to what they have to say. Theyve so quiet yeah, theyve been so quiet for a long now for a long time, for a long now , and not for , and its not good for democracy , actually, whether you democracy, actually, whether you agree with what the lib dems put forward or not is, is actually thats you decide , isnt it . Were not trying to sway you in any way, shape or form, but its good those thoughts its good to hear those thoughts. Yeah. Let us know what you make of those as well. You let us know what you make of thoswhat as well. You let us know what you make of thoswhat daisy as well. You let us know what you make of thoswhat daisy cooper. You let us know what you make of thoswhat daisy cooper was you like what daisy cooper was talking about there . Let us know. Vaiews gbnews. Com now, will you like what alex deakin has got you . Lets deakin has got for you . Lets find out that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers. Proud sponsors of weather on. Gb news morning alex deakin here with your latest weather update from the met office for gb news a bit fresh out there this morning, but it is going to warm up. W w b will have a fine most of us will have a fine day. Well quite cloudy in day. Well be quite cloudy in the. Cloud thickening day. Well be quite cloudy in the across cloud thickening day. Well be quite cloudy in the across northern thickening day. Well be quite cloudy in the across Northern Irelanding now across Northern Ireland where we are likely to see a little bit of light rain and drizzle and the same goes for the coast wales to the west coast of wales to possibly spot of light rain possibly a spot of light rain here. Quite murky around some of the South West England the coast in South West England and clouding in southwest and clouding over in southwest scotland still windy the scotland. Still windy across the far north east through shetland. But most of the country, dry but for most of the country, dry and bright, hazy sunshine and a bit than it has been by bit warmer than it has been by this afternoon, temperatures getting quite widely into the low 20s. But thursday, it will be warmer still before we get there, though, this evening, staying fine for the most part. That cloud thickening further up the west coast of scotland. A the west coast of scotland. So a little and drizzle is little light rain and drizzle is possible but most possible here, but for most of us well be dry. Us tonight, well be dry. Theyll clear spells, but it theyll be clear spells, but it wont be as chilly as the night just gone. The warmer air is in, so temperatures likely to hold up the for of us. Up in the teens for most of us. And that will lead into warmer and that will lead into a warmer feel tomorrow for sure. Again its not blue sky everywhere. Its not wall to wall sunshine. Far from it. But i think well all notice that warmer feel some spots rain possible over the spots of rain possible over the mountains South West Mountains in south west scotland. The odd shower elsewhere , maybe especially elsewhere, maybe especially into the on. But for the south west later on. But for most places its dry and its fine and it will feel warm in the sunshine. Certainly compared to recent with to recent times with temperatures perhaps getting up to 27, maybe 28 celsius , to 26, 27, maybe 28 celsius, that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers proud sponsors of weather on gb news as were talking puddings after the next break, were going to be going through the papers with Claire Pearsall and apparently and kriss akabusi, apparently under 30. F e like the classic fives dont like the classic puddings like sticky Toffee Puddings like sticky Toffee Pudding or jam roly poly with lots of custard. Its lots of custard. Its a disgrace. So do get in touch with your favourite pudding please. Vaiews gbnews. Com. Were also talking foxes. Friend or foe. Thats next 729 good morning to you. Still to come for you today, is it the beginning of the end of the bank of mum and dad . Well, a study has found more than half of parents are struggling to contribute to their childrens futures. But just how easy is it to save amid the cost of living crisis . Not easy at all, is the answer to that one. Do it for you. Yeah. New figures have revealed that the number of Civil Servants earning over £100,000 a year has increased two fold over the last seven years. Is it time the Government Cut the number of Civil Servants . And we want to hear from you, as always, on the bank of mum and dad. It was never a thing. No 30 or 40 years ago, nobody had the money for it. Have the young people become too reliant on it . Reliant on the bank of mum and dad . But then you could argue the other that theres no way other side that theres no way you the housing you can get on the housing ladder without a little bit of help days. You need help these days. You need £100,000. Youll be saving for ever 25 years or something silly. Yeah. Do let us know. Vaiews gbnews. Com. Now heres a vaiews gbnews. Com. Now heres a question that is going to divide opinion. I would imagine. Urban foxes. I would imagine. Urban foxes. Theyre becoming more and more common of course, partly because were invading the countryside. Were invading the countryside. So much so are they friends or foe . Well, were asking you because youve probably seen them prowling around city streets or youve heard them up at night going through your bins and feasting on leftovers and scraps. It can be and feasting on leftovers and scraps. It can be a bit of a nuisance. And were talking nuisance. And were also talking yesterday, we about city yesterday, werent we about city foxes . They getting bolder . Foxes . Are they getting bolder . Yeah, apparently theyre not. Theyre just lazier. Thats why theyre going through bins. Because easier , quite because its easier, quite frankly, get their frankly, in order to get their next meal. So should we be fighting back against the fox . Fighting back against the fox . Thats what were asking today. Well , thats what were asking today. Well, sasha camilli from thats what were asking today. Well , sasha camilli from peta well, sasha camilli from peta says foxes are just part of nature and weve just got to get used to them. My meanwhile, host at field sports channel charlie jacoby, thinks fox attacks are a real threat to us. Good morning to you both. And charlie, why . To you both. And charlie, why . Why are they such a threat . Why are they such a threat . Well, i think threat is overegging it, but we did an experiment. We took dead piglets experiment. We took dead piglets and we put them into a pram and we put them out over night in a garden in south london. And and we dressed them up as babies and mean foxes came and nicked them every ten minutes. So if youre stupid enough to leave your baby outside in a garden in south london and its crying, theres every chance that, you know, a fox will come and nick it, i suppose, is the conclusion of that doesnt really prove anything, but it its unquestionable that foxes cause damage and in the countryside and thats one of the reasons we control them. And if theyre causing damage in the towns, theres no reason you shouldnt control them too. Theres no reason you shouldnt conokay1em too. Theres no reason you shouldnt conokay ,em too. Theres no reason you shouldnt conokay , sasha, lets put that okay, sasha, lets put that to you then. Mean , you might to you then. I mean, you might say leave out for say if you leave food out for foxes, which is what a dead piglet theyre going to piglet is, that theyre going to eat it. Eat it. Exactly. So as we said before, foxes can be quite lazy. Theyre quite opportunistic when it comes to food. So if they find the food source, theyre going to go for it. Theyre a wild animal. But if you think about it, these animals are often forced scavenge for often forced to scavenge for food wherever they can find it because we have encroached on their Natural Habitats in so many different ways. Were creating a world thats almost entirely devoid of nature. Yeah. Entirely devoid of nature. Yeah. And these animals who are beautiful, magical beings, they often end up with nowhere to go. And we owe it to them really to try and resolve any conflict in a more peaceful manner, as humanely as we can. Yeah , i mean, youve got to yeah, i mean, youve got to say, charlie, i mean, theres a lot to that, isnt there . I mean, you live in the countryside, youre very rarely see a fox. Thats because theyre busy screwing theyre just busy screwing away doing own thing. Its only doing their own thing. Its only in you really see in cities that you really see them. Encroached on them. Now, we have encroached on their space, havent we . And the fact that theyve become a bit of a nuisance perhaps as a result is, well, its our fault , not theirs. , not theirs. Yes, id love to know from sasha what she would like to do with the foxes that are causing problems. I mean, does she want us just to learn to live with them . Does she want to relocate them . Does she want to relocate them poorer areas where them to poorer areas where councils them them to poorer areas where coun different them them to poorer areas where coun different way them them to poorer areas where coun different way or them them to poorer areas where coun different way or does them them to poorer areas where coun different way or does she m in a different way or does she accept managing wildlife is accept that managing wildlife is something we do . Something we do . Well, we wouldnt say to just, you know, get you to it, but we think there are ways that we can manage , um, any issues we can manage, um, any issues that foxes may cause that dont necessarily involve violent killing them. So foxes go after food. So the first thing that we advise to do is to remove all access to possible food sources such as dont leave any dog food or anything like that out. Even or anything like that out. Even bird food can attract foxes , as bird food can attract foxes, as we often say, to put up netting or fencing and try to block access to areas where they might dig dens , even leaving rags dig dens, even leaving rags soaked in ammonia. Where they might dig is a good idea because they hate the smell and will just move on. So so habitat modification and removing access to food sources is the best way really, because foxes also regulate their numbers based on what food is available , which is what food is available, which is why culling is really ineffective because when an area becomes available, other foxes just move in. So it creates this ongoing cycle of killing that is needless , cruel and also doesnt needless, cruel and also doesnt really solve the issue. I mean, look , charlie, if we i mean, look, charlie, if we can sort it out without killing them, why not . Well, surely removing habitat, you know, thats what leads to our biodiversity crisis. The reason weve got a biodiversity crisis, which people keep banging on about is not because people are managing wildlife in the countryside. Were managing wildlife. So theres the right you know, theres the right you know, theres enough of it and were good that. The reason theres good at that. The reason theres a biodiversity crisis because a biodiversity crisis is because were these were removing habitat for these for these wild animals. And thats exactly what sasha is suggesting. Shes kind of suggesting. So shes kind of fuelling lessening of fuelling the lessening of wildlife in this country by removing habitat thats has a far more adverse effect on foxes than than shooting them out of a certain area. So they dont, in my case, take my chickens. My case, take my chickens. Charlie, do you think we should be culling foxes . Should be culling foxes . Yes. If a fox is a problem. So the general rule is if youve got enough of an animal, then you leave it alone. If you have too many of an animal, then you can kill it. If you dont have enough, then you put in measures to encourage it. Thats how we do on the ground, in do management on the ground, in the countryside and the reason it works is because we are responsible our own little responsible for our own little patches. What doesnt work are these kind of top down solutions that sasha and other people in the conservation industry suggest such as, you know, trying to aim for a certain amount of foxes per square kilometre , you know, that amount of foxes per square kilorsimply , you know, that amount of foxes per square kilorsimply doesnt know, that amount of foxes per square kilorsimply doesnt workv, that amount of foxes per square kilorsimply doesnt work. That that simply doesnt work. Centralising the environment is not a sensible idea. Not a sensible idea. Okay, look, weve got to leave it there. Im afraid. Leave it there. Im afraid. Sasha, charlie, see you sasha, charlie, good to see you both. Morning. Thanks both. This morning. Thanks very much. Thank you. I am much indeed. Thank you. I am i think i come down with sasha on that one. Yeah i think foxes are very, very cute , which i know very, very cute, which i know isnt gonna go down very well with many viewers and listeners, but i actually think the worst they do to, to me, at least they can do to, to me, at least in my experience, is rooting through the bins. Well, dont well, i dont mind. Well, i dont mind. Are there are cases of there are there are cases of humans being attacked, but its very rare. It is. It is very rare. I just sort of think if they dont fit into what we want, we kill them. Is doesnt want, we kill them. Is doesnt sit quite right with me. Somehow and i sort of think if we can do something a little bit nicer, im not im not for killing animals. Im just not. Im just not. You are a vegetarian. Youre a man your word. A man of your word. Yeah, but not. Yeah, but not. Not a vegetarian because im not a vegetarian because i dont. Because i disapprove of meat eaters. I just dont want to do it myself. But we have no, but we have encroached on their could say their habitat. You could say that. Perhaps we just need to that. So perhaps we just need to learn how to coexist. But you might not agree. No. Do let us know vaiews gbnews. Uk com. We know. Vaiews gbnews. Uk com. We are going to be talking puddings very shortly and weight loss. Very shortly and weight loss. Ive already got you going. Yeah. Putting some weight loss loss. Yeah. Yeah quite know how loss loss. Onrks. Aah quite know how that works. Sort of goes apparently sort of goes but apparently the puddings the Great British puddings theyre dying out so get in touch with your favourite ones and the ones you want to save. Gb views gbnews. Com were talking puddings already. Already. Sorry. Yes we are. Sorry. Yes we are. Its 741. Welcome back. And lets before we get into puddings , lets bring you up to puddings, lets bring you up to speed, shall we, with the front pages morning the pages this morning and the guardian leads with Water Companies facing an £800 million lawsuit over raw sewage allegations. The express has britains deal with turkey to smash criminal gangs profiting from smuggling migrants as the independent leads with britains toughest new sanctions imposed on countries aiding russia in the war on ukraine, the i has the war on ukraine, the i has the weight loss jab that can cut the weight loss jab that can cut the risk of heart problems. The risk of heart problems. And the sun leads with the headune. And the sun leads with the headline. I like it. And those headline. I like it. And those are the words from one of the migrants who boarded the bibby stockholm yesterday. Stockholm barge yesterday. Okay, lets go through all of those puddings with those then. And puddings with former conservative adviser Claire Pearsall and olympian chris akabusi. Good morning. Morning morning. Morning. Morning. Morning morn kickmorning. Morning. Morning morn kick off ning. Morning. Morning morn kick off with morning. Morning morn kick off with thisning. Morning morn kick off with this data lets kick off with this data breach , clare in the mail breach, clare in the mail because youve got 40 Million People across the uk plus tens of 10,000 or so Police Officers and civilian staff in Northern Ireland. Yeah. To data breaches which are really , really serious. If are really, really serious. If we look at the one that hit the Electoral Commission for 3 million voters, their details have been released. A what do they refer it to as hostile actors as had actually been in place for 14 months before anybody noticed, which implies its some country who knows what theyre doing wrong. Oh, the fingers are pointing very heavily too, towards russia. Nobody knows if its them , but nobody knows if its them, but they have history with interfering with countries and elections and things like that. So i know that the public are going to be worried about what the data is to used the data is going to be used for. Electoral for. Now, the Electoral Commission are telling everybody that the majority of the information is out there in the pubuc information is out there in the public , so neednt public domain, so you neednt worry. I think thats a little bit glib. I really, really do. Bit glib. I really, really do. But also think that this backs but i also think that this backs up why why people are so suspicious of online voting , of suspicious of online voting, of postal voting and systems like that. If you go into a polling booth with your pencil, put your cross on your paper, no ones going interfere with that. So going to interfere with that. So i that it will remove that i think that it will remove that argument for changing the Voting System because you dont get the interference if youre just there with you and your pencil making choices. There with you and your pencil ma yeah, choices. There with you and your pencil ma yeah, have ices. There with you and your pencil ma yeah, have ice say there with you and your pencil ma yeah, have icesay id be yeah, i have to say id be postal havent got an postal voting. I havent got an issue with. Would be a bit issue with. I would be a bit worried online voting. Im worried about online voting. Im not with that somehow. Well, certainly. And i love my tech. Yeah. Yeah no, the personal security is very, very important. You dont want people knowing where you know, where your address, where you live, where up where theyre turning up unannounced at, you know . All unannounced at, you know . So all of with the of this stuff linked with the northern well Northern Ireland stuff as well is worrying, you know, i know were going down the road and you it back, but some you cant hold it back, but some of these security challenges really are worrying. I believe. Really are worrying. I believe. And they they appear to be coming more and more common as well, these breaches . They do. I think the they do. And i think the Northern Ireland is really Northern Ireland one is really quite concerning that were quite concerning that there were no safeguards in place. It was in to a freedom of in answer to a freedom of information where information request where a spreadsheet was then released with the data that was needed, but also attached a whole load of other data about about Police Officers and also civilian staff within the offices in Northern Ireland. And you think, well, why . Why were there no checks in why . Why were there no checks in place . So now ive dealt with place . So now ive dealt with foi requests when i was at the home office, we had lots of them and you have to go through a certain process when youre releasing information to these individuals. So why why psni . Dont or didnt have that in place really beggars belief. And you wonder if this has happened before either because it was so simply done. You kind of think if youve had other requests in the past for other pieces of information, what else has gone out there without anybody realising janice has realising you do . Janice has been touch morning. Been in touch this morning. Know someone she said, i know someone who was admittance was expecting ring admittance for a payment. They were due from customer what they from a customer and what they received was a spreadsheet of all their employees salaries. All their employees salaries. Oh god, yeah. You see, thats, thats the thing. When youve got people doing it, why arent checks in it, why arent there checks in place . And the process we to place . And the process we had to go through were 3 or 4 different people request. People signed off the request. But yeah, mean, the fact is but yeah, i mean, the fact is in ireland, could in Northern Ireland, this could have consequences. Have very serious consequences. Yeah, talking about that yeah, he was talking about that Police Officer that was shot in february. He Police Officer that was shot in february. He and many of these officers will be looking officers now will be looking over shoulder, said i absolutely, chris. Absolutely, chris. So its not linked to this in a way. Its still so its not linked to this in a way. Its still in so its not linked to this in a way. Its still in the so its not linked to this in a way. Its still in the mail, actually. I dear me, they can actually. I dear me, they can steal our passwords as the mail by hearing what we type. Yeah. So when i was a soldier , my so when i was a soldier, my first job in the army was as a data telegraphist and data telegraphist is information technology. Computer technology. And you could when you were typing know what particularly what someone was typing because the keys made different sounds and it was also the exactly same like with a with the early phones, you could tell what numbers people were pressing because, well , its exactly the because, well, its exactly the same now. Now you could be in a pub in a cafe , in a hotel lobby pub in a cafe, in a hotel lobby and someone can use their phone to detect what you are doing on your. To detect what you are doing on your. This to detect what you are doing on your. This was an apple mac. To detect what you are doing on your. This was an apple mac. And your. This was an apple mac. And they can your logging, your passwords is Sensitive Data that you are typing. For example , all you are typing. For example, all Insider Trading investments. If Insider Trading investments. If youre making an investment and i can get the idea of where you invest in, its actually quite now i is here and its here to stay. But what all of these stories are revealing are some of the issues that weve not really thought about yet because were are at its infancy. But were are at its infancy. But the idea that you could be sitting in a lobby typing away and someone with their phone could be getting your impressions and sift it through a assisted through a computer and get 95 accuracy. See of what youve typed. Is that not alarming . Well, ill tell you what, though, chris, because youre a censor. Censor. Censon ive known you for a long time. Youre a sensible man. When are getting a bit when are we getting a bit paranoid . I mean, i its paranoid . I mean, i know its disturbing , paranoid . I mean, i know its disturbing, but were going to worry ourselves a frenzy worry ourselves into a frenzy over this stuff. Over some of this stuff. Think we are getting well, i think we are getting paranoid because is great paranoid because it is the great unknown. Now. Our children , my unknown. Now. Our children, my children, in 34 years, they will live with this. They will know this and theyll be create in our future, not my future. Ill be long gone, but theyll be creating future. But for us, creating the future. But for us, for , a telephone is operator for me, a telephone is operator , can you connect me, please . Yeah and please reverse the charges. Charges. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. That is so. So. So im from that world. So. So im from that world. So this is alarming when i see how pervasive it is. And were not holding back. I once said in nigeria, when my parents came from theres no Running Water in the village, but i could actually have a Video Conference with my parents. Thats how pervasive is globally. Pervasive is globally. Artificial intelligence and Telephone Technology is. So Telephone Technology is. So weve rushed ahead. Weve created and we built it and all of a sudden theres this little spider and worms coming up. Oh, i didnt think about that. Oh my gosh. Oh, my gosh. So thats whats for an old crony. Yeah, think think is yeah, i think i think that is a good point. People alarmed, arent people are alarmed, arent they, of this they, by the speed of this development . Regulation development . Because regulation just cant keep with it, can it . Well, it cant. And this is the problem that you have when youve technology as youve got technology such as this, which fast moving this, which is so fast moving legislation, government legislation, government legislation moves at a glacial pace. Legislation moves at a glacial pace. So youre always going to pace. So youre always going to be several years behind something. And i think this is thats the concern. But i think youre right, stephen. I think we worry ourselves into to a situation here where nobody would go anywhere or do anything. I think you have to take appropriate caution when youre using public wi fi, for example, youre not going to log on to your bank account because we all know that kind of things know that those kind of things can be hacked into relatively easily. But can be hacked into relatively easily. But think can be hacked into relatively easily. But think being easily. But i think just being aware that theres the possibility of it, i mean, i as a subject is incredibly worrying and exciting in equal measures. I think what it can do is fantastic and fascinates thing. But the fact is that we dont entirely understand what it can be used for and the boundaries within it as to who controls data, who owns images, who owns words , pictures that side of it words, pictures that side of it is what we desperately need to catch up on. Yeah, and you know, we need a bit of help with technology and this sort of thing. So ive been trying your password trying to watch your password on your now , and i your phone for ages now, and i still it out. Still havent worked it out. You think hes joking . Yeah you think hes joking . Yeah hes always trying to hack into my phone. Im talking to you then. Im talking to you then. Im talking to you then. Yeah. It hasnt happened yet , though, has it . No. Youre going to keep trying. Keep trying. Will . I will keep trying. You will . In talk in the meantime, lets talk puddings. We . Yes. Claire puddings. Should we . Yes. Claire in the times classic british desserts. I see this. The pudding conversation. The pudding conversation. This is what we want. This is what we want. This is what we want. This is what we want. This is what we want. Here and according want. Were here and according to the times, classic british desserts are dying out because under 35 seconds think theyre Old Fashioned. Old fashioned. Not me, man. Not me, man. And they dont want to have them. They would rather have fruit at the end of a meal or fruit. I think for the Health Conscious and some of them , some conscious and some of them, some it was 9 in 10 of those under 35 said that they had never sampled old a syllabub or things like ive never had a syllable, but not a syllable. What you say. Okay what you say. Okay whats wrong with spotty dick . 7 yeah. Yeah. Knickerbocker glory treacle tart, treacle tart , treacle tart. Luke nash has been in touch treacle sponge he likes. Oh thats a good. Yeah. Lovely. I mean, things like that remind me of School Puddings where you had sponge and pink custard and sprinkles. Whats the one with the sprinkles . Sprinkles . Was really good one. That was a really good one. That was a really good one. I dont know school cake. I dont know what what was what it was. What it was actually was. And actually traybake it was. And its the thing and its the best thing ever. And i remember think i would remember it and i think i would love recreate it, but love to recreate it, but i wouldnt know if i could. You wouldnt know if i could. You see, its just the best thing even see, its just the best thing ever. Grandma with ever. See grandma lived with us. Bless her. And she was. Oh, bless her. And she was. She born 1908. Oh bless. She was born in 1908. Oh bless. So she knew all this. So we had. We cake upside down we had railway cake upside down cake. Yeah. Apple tart sponge puddings. Oh, lovely. She did the railway cake. I cant remember now. Jam in it all those books. But shed bake every day. Yeah. Pretty much so we always had like a proper good old steam buddy. Maybe its back to that point, claire, that people just dont anymore. Point, claire, that people just dorwell, anymore. Point, claire, that people just dorwell, theyrmore. Point, claire, that people just dorwell, they dont. I mean, well, they dont. I mean, steam pudding cake baking. Steam pudding and cake baking. I bnng steam pudding and cake baking. I bring out my trusty delia smith book, which gives me all the basics of making a sponge. And once you can do that and you can add jam into it, you add fruit into it, you can add what you like, chocolate whatever like, chocolate or whatever it might and that was that might be, but and that was that was the other sort of disappointing thing. 44 of under 35 have never made desserts at home. But also when you go out to a restaurant, when you go out to a restaurant, when you go out to a restaurant, they dont offer the old cuisine. Old traditional english cuisine. Thats old traditional english cuisine. Tha because said me , well, because you said to me, well, why eat it . Because because you said to me, well, viwas eat it . Because because you said to me, well, viwas going eat it . Because because you said to me, well, viwas going out,1t it . Because because you said to me, well, viwas going out, well,3ecause because you said to me, well, viwas going out, well, when;e because you said to me, well, viwas going out, well, when i do i was going out, well, when i do go out, i eat. Whats on the menu. And id its not there. Menu. And id its not there. The traditional english fare for these goes to a good pub chris and have a nice pudding a pub not being a pub for a very long time a nice country pub sort that out. Yeah. Here we come. Well yeah. Here we come. Well sort it out. Sort it out. Well sort it out. But no, i said anything with custard. Yeah exactly. Yeah exactly. Sticky Toffee Pudding. Sticky Toffee Pudding. Sticky Toffee Pudding. Thats my favourite. Thats my favourite. I love sticky toffee. Ipp. Yeah. Oh i tell you what, a good Old Fashioned trifle. Old fashioned trifle. Yeah, of course. Youre a bit trial lover. Try a trifle. No trifle for try a trifle. No trifle for me. Me. Trifle for me was like a bubble and squeak. It was like a monday morning. Monday evening when everything the dingo done at the weekend got chucked into the bubble squeak for the main meal. And then the trifle with jelly sponge , a couple of fruit jelly sponge, a couple of fruit. A bit of you dont want any fruit in a trifle. Fruit in a trifle. Oh really . Oh no. Oh really . Oh no. Well , its oh really . Oh no. Well, its everything. Its all the stuff you didnt eat over the weekend. You just chucked trifle. Chucked into the trifle. But then bet the days of but then i bet the days of tinned the day , tinned fruit on the poor day, you tinned but then you got tinned fruit. But then you got tinned fruit. But then you on you had to have carnation on the top the taste top to take away the taste of the yes. Yeah oh, yes. Yeah oh, yes. Yeah no, you absolutely did mention milk. Carnation, milk. Carnation, milk. Carnation, milk. We always called it cream ice cream with cream evaporated. Cream with cream evaporated. Cream or carnation . Cream or carnation . Yeah. Its just tin fruit was was the best. When my dad came out of the army, he and for army, he went and worked for del monte in the early 80s. And he used get a good deal on used to get a good deal on dented tins or tins with no labels. Yes so that was it. Sort of end mystery tin, of in the week end mystery tin, would segments , would it be mandarin segments, would it be potatoes . Would it be new potatoes . I mean, who knew going the trifle . Absolutely. Absolutely. Absolutely. Whatever was going in whatever it was was going in brilliant. Brilliant. Going eat it you were going to eat it regardless. Me. Regardless. Love me. All guys, good to see all right, guys, good to see you. Well catch with you you. Well catch up with you next chris, next hour. Clare chris, thanks very. Very much indeed. Now lets get the weather with deakin. With alex deakin. Warm feeling inside from that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers. Proud sponsors of weather on. Gb news. Weather on. Gb news. Morning. Alex deakin here with your latest weather update from the met office for gb news. A fresh out there this a bit fresh out there this morning, but it going to warm morning, but it is going to warm up of will a fine up most of us will have a fine day. Well be quite cloudy in the cloud thickening the west. The cloud thickening now Northern Ireland now across Northern Ireland where we are likely to see a little bit of light rain and drizzle and same for drizzle and the same goes for the coast wales to the west coast of wales to possibly of light rain possibly a spot of light rain here, quite murky around some of the coast in South West England and over in southwest and clouding over in southwest scotland. Across the scotland. Still windy across the far north east through shetland. But for most of the country, dry bright ,. But for most of the country, dry bright, hazy sunshine dry and bright, hazy sunshine and bit warmer than it has and a bit warmer than it has been by afternoon. Been by this afternoon. Temperatures getting quite widely the low 20s. But widely into the low 20s. But thursday will be warmer. Still before we get there, though, this evening, staying fine for the most part that clouds thickening further up the west coast scotland. So little coast of scotland. So a little light drizzle light rain and drizzle is possible here, for of possible here, but for most of us well be dry. Us tonight, well be dry. Theyll be spells , but it theyll be clear spells, but it wont be as chilly as the night just gone. The warmer air is in, so temperatures likely hold so temperatures likely to hold up for of us. Up in the teens for most of us. And that will lead into a warmer feel tomorrow for sure. Again, feel tomorrow for sure. Again, its not blue sky everywhere. Its not wall to wall sunshine. Far from it. But i think well all notice that warmer feel some spots possible over the spots of rain possible over the mountains in southwest scotland. Spots of rain possible over the mouodd 1s in southwest scotland. Spots of rain possible over the mouodd showeruthwest scotland. Spots of rain possible over the mouodd shower elsewhere, tland. Spots of rain possible over the mouodd shower elsewhere, maybe the odd shower elsewhere, maybe especially into the south west later on. But for most places its dry and fine. And it its dry and its fine. And it will feel warm in the sunshine. Certainly compared to recent times temperatures perhaps times with temperatures perhaps getting up to 26, 27, maybe 28 celsius, that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers, proud sponsors of weather on have had details stolen and theres been a major blunder with the Police Service in Northern Ireland releasing details of thousands of its officers and civilians staff. The government strikes the deal with turkey to disrupt the supply chains and dismantle people smuggling gangs in a bid to address the surge in illegal immigration. Is it the beginning of the end of the bank of mum and dad . A study has found more than half of parents struggle to financially contribute to their childrens futures. But just how easy is it for youngsters to save in the cost of living crisis . And of course , well bring and of course, well bring you your latest Weather Forecast i a a bit of a chilly one out there this morning, but it is going to warm up this afternoon. And warmer still tomorrow with many of us seeing sunny spells. Full forecast coming up later. Morning to you. Im Stephen Dixon im Ellie Costello and this is breakfast on. Is breakfast on. Gb news. Well, weve got you going on the foxes. This morning. Matt says the main diet of foxes is rats. Theyre a pest controller with a number of rats infesting our cities. It seems to me we need as much help as we can get. Yep sharon says we should not kill foxes. Our countryside has seen a serious decline in hedgehogs. Birds frogs as hedgehogs. Birds and frogs as humans interfered enough. Humans have interfered enough. Do want to completely remove do we want to completely remove all wildlife from the british countryside . Countryside . But rob says, when i was growing up cheshire, we had growing up in cheshire, we had a farm the bottom of the road. Farm at the bottom of the road. A fox got into the hen coop. It didnt kill one hen. It killed the lot, but only took one. So thats nature, it . Thats their nature, isnt it . I mean, quite literally mean, its quite literally nature, isnt it . You do have hens or but if you do have hens or small animals that you keep in a garden, you can understand. And the issue you might have the issue that you might have with. And carol says, im with foxes. And carol says, im with foxes. And carol says, im with steven this with ellie and steven on this one. Foxes behave so one. I have seen foxes behave so friendly. Even play with my friendly. They even play with my mums cat on the lawn. Oh, they are beautiful she says. fl fl beautiful. They are they are beautiful. They are to found anyway , keep your to be found anyway, keep your thoughts coming on that thoughts coming through on that one. Cbnnews. Com. Now one. Gb views cbnnews. Com. Now the service of northern the Police Service of Northern Ireland apologised today to ireland has apologised today to officers and civilian staff after it published the data of every serving employee in a serious data breach. Serious data breach. Well, during a media briefing, the psni assistant chief constable chris todd apologised for the human error and says it will be fully investigated. Investigated. I understand that that will be of considerable concern to many of my colleagues and their families. Indeed at the moment we operate in an environment at the moment where theres a Severe Threat to our colleagues from Northern Ireland related terrorism and this is the last thing that anybody in the organisation wants to be hearing this evening. Lets take you to psni well, lets take you to psni headquarters and our Northern Ireland reporter dougie beattie. Morning to you, dougie. I mean , morning to you, dougie. I mean, look, cant overestimate just look, we cant overestimate just how serious this is. Can we . Stephen . Definitely not. We cant. I mean , when this story cant. I mean, when this story was breaking last night, i was texting one of our producers saying, look , this is starting saying, look, this is starting to break. And probably nothing. We should sit across this and then when i dug a little more and then actually saw the document, i could not actually believe it. Im over 30 years in the media in Northern Ireland. And i mean, in 2002, stormont here collapsed because of an alleged spy ring, because they were apparently targeting officers. Well, last night, anybody that wanted to do that got all every Single Person that works for the psni, including the officers. And in amongst that document station, luckily enough, was not personal phone numbers, was not personal addresses, but there was a rank serial number, surname, initial and exactly the real bad part about this is what stations these officers on staff are deployed in and what we are going to have to see over the next few days and weeks coming is a redeployment of that staff, which could mean many of these people having to move out of their personal areas. Dont forget, theyre not like army. They dont live in barracks. They dont live in barracks. They in amongst their homes they live in amongst their homes. And course, security in. And of course, security in northern is very much at Northern Ireland is very much at the forefront of the psni. Thoughts at this moment in time. Just february , we had just back in february, we had the attempted murder of the detective, John Caldwell in a Leisure Centre in omagh. So all Leisure Centre in omagh. So all this type of information , if you this type of information, if you are clever enough, you can put it together and start to find out where these people are and where they work. But i suppose the worst in this is actually that some of those in the m15 and Intelligence Services have also been published in amongst this list and it has to be asked, i mean, officers were talking to me last night saying we get lectured on Data Security every single day and then we walk back in to the station to find out that we have been told that our security has been breached and when you look at how this how this came about, it was an foi and that that information , very Sensitive Information, very Sensitive Information, very Sensitive Information was put into the pubuc information was put into the public realm. And the questions have to be asked what level of security is there inside the psni in Northern Ireland . Its a very fair question. Dougie, thanks very much indeed. And there will be questions asked today, wont there . How exactly this happened. You have exactly this happened. You have to be human error, not good, is it . Do you get your views in on that story or any of the stories that story or any of the stories that were talking about today . Vaiews gbnews. Com. Now the uk and have struck a new and turkey have struck a new deal to address surge in deal to address the surge in illegal migration, which will focus on coordinated efforts to disrupt the supply chains and dismantle people smuggling gangs. Well, the agreement will also see a new Operation Centre set up see a new Operation Centre set up in turkey by the National Police there, as well as a faster exchange of customs data and other intelligence. Well, were joined now by journalist umut sevgi tanger, who joins us now from istanbul. Good morning to you. Its really good morning to you. Its really good to see you this morning. Good to see you this morning. What do you make of this new deal then between turkey and the uk . Uk . Well, actually , turkey well, actually, turkey receiving many immigrants from syria, afghanistan , pakistan, syria, afghanistan, pakistan, and basically he is like a border between europe and other continental since the beginning of the syrian war, turkey has been flooded with immigrants fleeing the war in syria. In fact , even before the war in fact, even before the war in syria, it was bringing irregular and Illegal Immigrants into its border. But is the situation was not so out of control. So basically he between United Kingdom and turkey , they were kingdom and turkey, they were looking for an agreement, especially the uk government. But turkey was not coming to the close to make a deal. The previous three years. But this yean previous three years. But this year, after the election , as you year, after the election, as you know, turkey passed a general election in may. President Recep Tayyip Erdogan come to power again. And basically it was also the subject during the election that erdogan promised its citizenship in turkey that he will somehow send back those people to their country. Its not i cant see if its possible in turkey, but i think because of the economic measures in turkey, also because the inflation is so high. So government needs to do some money to stop the immigrations to , you know, to feeding them to, you know, to feeding them and looking after them in turkey between the Turkish Borders, not to send them to greece or United Kingdom or any other european country. So basically, the country. So basically, the Turkish Forces are you know, struggling to find the funding. So since this fund funding find by the uk government and giving to turkish government, i think the deal happened. And what is going to happen between two countries actually , turkish countries actually, Turkish Border police will work on to stop those people who are actually using the sea, not the ground. So because there are using boats to cross to greece and this is how actually coming to until the uk, i mean, they are using boats. So i think the sea Border Police will act more efficiently and more strongly. Efficiently and more strongly. Since 2023, actually we couldnt see effective stopping these people , but hopefully it will people, but hopefully it will happen now. So. Happen now. So. Okay, really good to talk to you. Thanks very much indeed. You. Thanks very much indeed. Lets talk to our Political Correspondent olivia utley, whos here in the studio. What whos here in the studio. What was implying there was ultimately its down to the money. Well, absolutely. And what were learning now is that up to 80 to 90 of the dinghies , which 80 to 90 of the dinghies, which have brought 15,000 migrants since the beginning of this year across the channel, are being manufactured in turkey. Now, the only cost, about £1,000 to make. And the people coming over in them are charged about between 2000 and £4000 each. So obviously theres a huge amount of money in this business for the people smugglers, which is why its been so, so difficult to break up. But this is quite a big breakthrough for the government in focusing on turkey, which, i say, is sort turkey, which, as i say, is sort of hub of boat of the hub of boat manufacturing, dinghy manufacture in the world. The government is attempting to really sort of crack the problem at its source. I mean, whether at its source. I mean, whether the measures that have been put in place so far will work essentially more officers are going to be deployed to turkey. There is an agreement to share more data for between britain and turkey will actually work, will be quite interesting. But what could could work is a new agreement that Suella Braverman is working on now to deport migrants who are coming over from turkey to britain directly, immediately , as weve seen done immediately, as weve seen done with albania , and that a deal with albania, and that a deal with albania, and that a deal with albania, and that a deal with albania did manage to reduce albanian migrants by about 90. So if Suella Braverman could tackle that specific problem and lets remember , this problem and lets remember, this deal doesnt actually address that yet , then we could see the that yet, then we could see the beginning of the end of this particular element of the issue. Right. Okay. But i mean, as you say, this is a profitable business for people smugglers. I mean, if youre putting people on dinghies and making that amount of return , then you see why of return, then you can see why it would be within their interest to simply move the supply chain if turkey doesnt work any longer, they will find a way to manufacture dinghies elsewhere. Well, exactly. Is the problem that and this is the problem that the uk government keeps coming up against. Essentially up against. There is essentially a never ending queue of people wanting to get into this country. And so although we have seen a 90 reduction of albanian migrants, the overall number of migrants, the overall number of migrants crossing the channel has gone up rather than down over the last year. So of course, the danger is that , yes, course, the danger is that, yes, they will move the supply chain out of turkey , these people out of turkey, these people smugglers, and we will see fewer turkish immigrants coming over turkey at the moment is the second most popular summer destination location for people to migrate from. But as you say, the chances are they will just move. That supply chain is a very profitable business and we will see a new country topping that list. That list. Yeah, thats the problem. Were talking to ben habib earlier on former brexit party mep, now an adviser to reform. Mep, now an adviser to reform. Um, and he was saying he doesnt like this, doesnt think its going do anything much and he going to do anything much and he was saying only way we can was saying the only way we can tackle this effectively tackle this is to effectively turn people around in the channel before they reach our channel to before they reach our territorial waters. As you can territorial waters. As you can imagine, people going, yeah, well would work. Well great. That would work. Well, work. So theres well, it would work. So theres no practical of actually no practical way of actually doing it. Well, exactly. Absolutely would work. But it absolutely would work. But its not really possible. That is what politicians have been trying over and over again. And you will hear keir starmer. Youll hear rishi sunak saying, what we want to do is tackle the problem up stream, which essentially the boats problem up stream, which essertonlly the boats problem up stream, which esserto france. The boats problem up stream, which esserto france. But the boats problem up stream, which esserto france. But whythe boats problem up stream, which esserto france. But why would its back to france. But why would france to join that deal france want to join that deal with the uk . And already weve seen offering really a seen the uk offering really a lot of money to france to try and help us address this problem. But at the end of the day, france doesnt want boatloads and boatloads of Illegal Immigrants any more than the uk does. So it is a very, very thorny problem to solve and the government is doing it by sort of making these deals one by one with each of these Different Countries , but it is Different Countries, but it is a bit of a many headed hydra. You cut off one head and as you say, you another one. You get another one. Were talking to robert yeah, were talking to Robert Jenrick earlier, the immigration minister, and he wouldnt put a figure on how much this is costing new with costing this new deal with turkey. Do we have any sense of how much its actually costing . Because weve had loads of views in saying this looks like in saying that this looks like another of taxpayers money . Well, the centre that is being set up, the organised immigration crime centre, thats being set up in collaboration with turkey, is going to cost £3 million of british taxpayer money. But its that the overall deal will probably end up costing more than that because of course were sending extra officers over to turkey. This agreement whereby turkish immigrants get sent back immediate to turkey without having their asylum claims properly looked at. Well, when we reach that deal with albania, it certainly cost britain a lot of money and that is included. Is not included in that £3 million figure. So i think if youre looking for a sort of rough ball point, 3 million is the bottom end of the scale. But i think we can expect it to end up being a lot more than that. Oh, lovely. Well if it works though, if it works, it might be money well olivia, thanks money well spent. Olivia, thanks very do you have a very much indeed. Do you have a favourite Old Fashioned pudding . Very much indeed. Do you have a fav oh, i love Old Fashioned puddings. Does summer pudding count . Fashioned . Count . Is that Old Fashioned . Yeah, i think thats a good one for pudding. Yeah. Yeah. Baked alaska as one for pudding. Yebakedah. Baked alaska as one for pudding. Yebaked alaska . D alaska as well. Baked alaska . Had one of those. Oh, its really good. Its hot cake with ice cream. Oh. Oh really. Meringue on it as well. Yeah. Its got everything in it. Its a very good oh right. Its a very good one, glenn. Says i still make glenn says i still make puddings. Our favourites are apple buttery pastry apple pie with buttery pastry treacle and a fruit treacle sponge and a fruit crumble. My grandchildren love them. And actually bobs. Crumble. My grandchildren love them. And actually bobs. Oh them. And actually bobs. Oh yeah, bob, my favourite summer pudding is my partners homemade trifle. And then in winter apple crumble with loads of custard. Oh oh. You cant beat a good crumble can you. Youd like that without crumble. I love a crumble. My husband loves a crumble. I make nice custard for him. Oh, homemade. Perfect. Yeah. Oh, youre very good. Oh, no, its perfect. Like a rhubarb crumble as well. Yeah ill tell you what i did the other day. Im not sure whether youre approve of this youre going to approve of this or not. I went a very or not. I went to a very hipster. I went to a place in shoreditch that kind of has reimagined into reimagined the crumble into a very, like, humble crumble. Im not sure allowed to be called humble crumble, but they do it. Its like a deconstructed crumble in pot and its just crumble in a pot and its just amazing. So i think theres a story the papers today saying story in the papers today saying under eating the old under 35 arent eating the old School Puddings. Well we are arent we . We are. Are. Were arent we . We are. We are. Were doing the rest of you. Doing it the rest of you. Not as much as id like to. Well, im not under 35. You can join gang you want. 35 as well. 35 as well. Am, yeah. I am, yeah. I am, yeah. Get out, all of you. Ill do the rest of the show on my own. No, im 35 to be 35 again. Oh, dean there we go. There we go. Mind you, if i was 35 again, maybe id be reliant on the bank of mum and dad. And there is that. Yes, because a new report has found that more than 50 of parents are unable to contribute towards that more than 50 of parents are uchildrensontribute towards that more than 50 of parents are uchildrens financial towards their childrens financial future. Of young future. Yeah, about 20 of young people expect their people dont expect their parents give money, parents to give them money, which but 80 do. We never expected it. Back in the day was a different times. Different times. So is this the end of the bank of mum and dad . Well, were joined now by louise whos the ceo and louise hill, whos the ceo and co founder of gohenry, and theo , a young saver and his mum, bibi, who join us now. , a young saver and his mum, bibi, who join us now. Oh, theo, bibi, who join us now. Oh, theo, you are so cute. Oh, so, theo, you are so cute. Oh, so, theo, well start with you because you are very, very cute. Do you like are very, very cute. Do you like to save your money up yourself . If. If. Oh,. Oh, no. Oh, no. Oh, no. Oh, weve got. Weve got a problem with theos audio. In the meantime , while we wait for the meantime, while we wait for theos audio to be sorted out. Have we got him now, theo , are have we got him now, theo, are you. Do you like to save then, theo . Yes oh, do good. What are you saving for, theo . What are you saving up for 7 theo . What are you saving up for . A how . So i can rent it. So i can rent it. Oh, wow. Oh, wow. Wow. Wow. Big plans. Wow. Big plans. Ill tell you what, bibi. Youve got. Youve got the right message instilled into him from an early age. Into him from an early age. Yeah, well, im trying to get him to be better than me. Him to be better than me. Oh, have you not been a good saver, do you not think . No. No. No. No. No. No. No. So what are you encouraging theo to do to save up his pocket money . Well he started it himself. Himself. He likes seeing his money growing and he loves money. Is more smart than i ever was in his age. Theres something. Theres something nice about seeing it all go up in the bank account. I have to say, louise hill i mean, obviously gohenry is all about empowering young people with their money and getting responsibility for it. Do you think do you think its actually healthy to move away from the bank of mum and dad . Yes i do. Bank of mum and dad . Yes i do. Thank you for having me on. Weve just released our latest youth economy report and that looks at the Financial Behaviours of nearly 750,000 uk children and teenagers across the whole of last year. So offering the most comprehensive research of its kind and that is showing strongly that the increased Financial Freedom of uk kids is starting to put the bank of mum and dad out of business. We saw that gohenry kids saved 145 more than last year and as you said in your lead up with more than half of uk parents saying that theyre no longer able to contribute to their kids financial future, i think its great to see young people are taking matters into their own hands, like theo putting away money more than ever and saving for major life milestones. I think you milestones. I think you mentioned a couple of the stats there. Our report showed that there. Our report showed that kids and teens expectations really are changing. One in in five, 16 to 18 year olds say they dont expect parents to help them with any financial help. And almost three quarters of young people specifically said they dont expect help to pay said they dont expect help to pay for a wedding. They dont expect help to pay for a house. And a slightly lower number, 64 dont expect parents to help foot the for bill the cost of Higher Education such as University Training or apprenticeships. So what were seeing is kids and teenagers like theo already saving for their future. But the fact is life has got very, very expensive , hasnt it, very, very expensive, hasnt it, for the Younger Generation . Bibby i want to bring you in here. Do you worry about that in the world that theo is growing up in . And just how expensive everything such as housing everything is, such as housing and Higher Education . If he does everything is, such as housing and ito 1er education . If he does everything is, such as housing and ito getaducation . If he does everything is, such as housing and ito get into ation . If he does everything is, such as housing and ito get into that, if he does everything is, such as housing and ito get into that, do he does everything is, such as housing and ito get into that, do you oes want to get into that, do you feel like theres an expectation on the bank of mum and dad to help out . Help out . Yes, because i myself im 29. I still rely on my mum. So um, theres a lot like with social media, with everyone showing off their wealth , working class their wealth, working class kids. We have to try to do something for them just to get them prepare for the future or any tiny bit that we can do. Yeah, but i guess theres going to be, you know, it poses a problem if in another i dont know. How old are you, theo . Know. How old are you, theo . Nine. Nine. Nine. Nine in so right so in in another sort of ten, 15 years, if theo is saying , another sort of ten, 15 years, if theo is saying, oh mum, have you got any money for her to help me with a flat or a deposit for a house. Well its going to be a problem isnt it. It would be. Well, because with the profession im going to be going into with with. I wont have enough money to help him with whatever he might need. But starting early with his savings is by the time hes 18, the way that were going, he could probably get nearly £5,000 in his bank by the time hes 18. Probably get nearly £5,000 in his bank by the time hes18. So with that, its already something that to start him off. Oh , theo will be asking you oh, theo will be asking you for a loan at that rate. And i have to say, it doesnt give money. No. No. Good lad. Thats the way louise. I mean, within all of louise. I mean, within all of this, i do think theres something i know parents want to provide and want to help out, but theres been such a reliance on the bank of mom and dad and that actually that is actually almost a bit debilitating, isnt it, for young people trying to grow up and get into the, you know, a reliant situation in their 20s. I think thats i think thats true. Think thats true. And i think what this report shows us is that generation z , shows us is that generation z, generation alpha are actually beginning to change that. And perhaps thats whats been going on in the environment around them. You know, if you think weve over the last five years, weve over the last five years, weve all come through a Global Pandemic now weve got the cost of living crisis and children and teens are really perceptive. They pick up on that. You know, they pick up on that. You know, if not watching it on if theyre not watching it on the theyre seeing it on the news, theyre seeing it on their phones. Theyre hearing conversations at home and kids are perceptive. They they understand that money is tight at the moment. Understand that money is tight at the moment. And i think at the moment. And i think whats great to see here is that that kids are reacting to that positive and starting to save. Positive and starting to save. Yeah, no go, henry. No. Well weve got to leave it there, sadly. Louise, thank you very much indeed. Be really good to talk to you. But the star of the show has to be theo. Youre a good lad. Keep saving. Thats what we like to see. You could be. You could be. You could be a northerner for that. Like me. I like saying hes an entrepreneur, isnt he . Entrepreneur, isnt he . Oh, youre very cute. Oh, youre very cute. Well, you are a northerner in doncaster anyway. Midlander. Anyway yeah. I mean , i love it. Anyway yeah. I mean, i love it. I tell you what. Got me into saving my grandma. Ive been saving was my grandma. Ive been talking about it a lot this morning. And she at the age when she bank books. Oh and she had bank books. Oh yeah. And we a sunday night, shed we get on a sunday night, shed get her handbag out of the cupboard, do the accounts and get books. And she get out the bank books. And she had £4,000. I remember , had about £4,000. I remember, and which seemed like an awful lot of money because we didnt have a deal. But shed go have a great deal. But shed go out and shed been saving it all her life and she had four and she and it just got me into it. It was good, isnt it . One way street, you led by example, led by example. Save your money. Save your money. Maybe thats what parents and maybe thats what parents should if should be doing. I mean, if youre to talking kids about saving on as bebe saving really early on as bebe is, thats way is, perhaps thats the way forward. And kids grow forward. And then kids grow up in habit. In that habit. It is all about the yeah, it is all about the habit, less expectation on the bank of mum and dad, perhaps bank of mum and dad, but perhaps youre other side of the youre on the other side of the fence. Actually, the economy the actually, in the economy the way is, you want your way it is, if you want your child ever have a home of child to ever have a home of their they own, they their own that they own, they might some help along the might need some help along the way. Deposits. I think on average are about £100,000, especially south of the especially in the south of the country. Its very, very difficult young at difficult for young people at the well. So do let us the moment as well. So do let us know think of that know what you think of that story. Vaiews gbnews. Com. Particular, the emailing. Like me, were if like me, you were a griffin saver. If youre old enough to remember what a griffin saver was, ill tell you in the break. All right. All right. Yeah. If youre a griffin saver, let me know. There you go. Anyway that morning go. Anyway lets that morning alex your alex deakin here with your latest update from the latest weather update from the met for news bit Fresh Met Office for gb news bit fresh out this morning but is out there this morning but it is going up. Going to warm up. Of us will have a fine most of us will have a fine day. Well be quite cloudy in the west. The cloud thickening now ireland now across Northern Ireland where to see where we are likely to see a little bit of light rain and drizzle. The same goes for drizzle. And the same goes for the west coast of wales to possibly a of light rain possibly a spot of light rain here, murky around some of possibly a spot of light rain herecoast murky around some of possibly a spot of light rain herecoast innurky around some of possibly a spot of light rain herecoast in south around some of possibly a spot of light rain herecoast in south west d some of possibly a spot of light rain herecoast in South West England f the coast in South West England and clouding in south west and clouding over in south west scotland. Still windy across the far north east shetland, far north east through shetland, but the country, dry but for most of the country, dry and , hazy sunshine and and bright, hazy sunshine and a bit warmer than it has been by this afternoon. Temperatures getting quite widely into the low but thursday it will be low 20s. But thursday it will be warmer still. Before we get warmer still. Before we get there, though, this evening , there, though, this evening, staying fine for the most part. That cloud thickening further up the of scotland. So the west coast of scotland. So a little light rain and drizzle is possible for most of possible here, but for most of us tonight, well be dry. Theyll be clear spells , but it theyll be clear spells, but it wont be as chilly as the night just the warmer air is in, just gone. The warmer air is in, so likely to hold just gone. The warmer air is in, so in likely to hold just gone. The warmer air is in, so in the likely to hold just gone. The warmer air is in, so in the teens likely to hold just gone. The warmer air is in, so in the teens for ely to hold just gone. The warmer air is in, so in the teens for most hold just gone. The warmer air is in, so in the teens for most ofyld just gone. The warmer air is in, so in the teens for most of us. Up in the teens for most of us. And that will into a warmer and that will lead into a warmer feel tomorrow for sure. Again its not blue sky everywhere. Its not wall to wall sunshine. Far from it. But i think well all notice that warmer feel some spots of rain possible over the mountains in south west scotland. The shower scotland. The odd shower elsewhere, especially into elsewhere, maybe especially into the south west later on. But for most its and its most places its dry and its fine and it will feel warm in the sunshine. Certainly compared the sunshine. Certainly compared to with to recent times with temperatures perhaps getting up to 26, 27, maybe 28 celsius, that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers proud sponsors of weather on. Gb news. Weather on. Gb news. If youre bank of mum and dad, youre worried about money. Get a job in the Civil Service the number of Civil Servants earning more than 100 grand has doubled in the last seven years. Doesit doubled in the last seven years. Does it all need to be slimmed down . Well tell you more in its half past eight on the nose. Oh, go on. Welcome back and welcome back. Do you know its been such a packed Programme Today . The only time chat is when time weve had to chat is when we to the loo together. We went to the loo together. Thats true. Yeah. Thats true. Yeah. Were so in sync now. Were so in sync now. Weve got unisex toilets. Here, is a stink, here, of course, is a stink, doesnt it . Well, as were. Oh doesnt it . Well, as it were. Oh of course. Is set upsets a lot of people. Yeah. It really does. It really does. Well we dont mind it because we never through the we never chat through the cubicle doors. Actually. Yeah, we do actually. Yeah, we do actually. Were very close in that yes. Were very close in that way now. Lots coming up on way now. Lots more coming up on the programme. Were to the programme. Were going to have governments have more on the governments deal turkey to disrupt the deal with turkey to disrupt the supply and dismantle supply chains and dismantle people smuggling gangs. Its all in to kerb the surge in in a bid to kerb the surge in illegal immigration in and then well tell you about some clothes that grow just as you do. Speaking to one company thats addressing the wasteful nature of clothing and how they could help during the cost of living crisis. So you can buy one outfit, darling, i know it last you for years. Maybe its a good idea. Maybe its not. Do let us know what you think of that story or indeed, any of the stories were talking about today. Vaiews gbnews. Com. Today. Vaiews gbnews. Com. Right. The Civil Service head countis right. The Civil Service head count is on the rise. Figures show the sharpest increase in 50 years. Well, according to the Taxpayers Alliance, the expansion has been top heavy and london centric. What a surprise. What a surprise. So were asking today is Civil Service spending out of control . Lets talk to elliott cec, head of campaigns for the Taxpayers Alliance, and amy nicole turner, social commentator. Good to nicole turner, social commentator. Good to see nicole turner, social commentator. Good to see you both this morning. Whats going both this morning. Whats going on . Elliott well, what our research is on, for example, the front page of the telegraph shows this morning is that, as you said, the Civil Service has grown significantly larger. Weve seen a 25 increase in the total number Civil Servants. Its number of Civil Servants. Its becoming expensive. Weve becoming more expensive. Weve seen the total seen a 60 increase in the total salary bill, and its becoming far, far more focussed on things like social research, economics and policy and not on operational roles , which are the operational roles, which are the front line delivery services. So front line delivery services. So what were seeing is a Civil Service that is increasing out of step with the priorities of both voters and taxpayers and totally against the promises made. Made by boris johnson. He wanted to cut the number of those in the service by of those in the Civil Service by 91,000 gone the opposite way. Absolutely. And, you know, weve very dominant weve heard this very dominant narrative Civil Service narrative that the Civil Service increase for increase is being driven by, for example, brexit, did example, brexit, which did require an in the require an increase in the number officials, for number of trade officials, for example, of example, or covid, which of course required an course increased required an increased number of bureaucrats to deal with the many covid emergency schemes. But unfortunately, end of unfortunately, since the end of covid, seen Civil Service covid, weve seen Civil Service numbers continue to increase, not which is what we not decrease, which is what we would expected. Were would have expected. So were seeing service that seeing a Civil Service that simply get grips simply cannot get to grips with numbers. Simply cannot get to grips with numbe|getting too fat. Its getting too fat. Its getting too fat. Mean, ijust its getting too fat. Mean, i just dont i cant i mean, ijust dont i cant i cant get my head around these stories because stories stories because these stories focus they dont focus on numbers. They dont focus on numbers. They dont focus and focus on efficiency and productivity and what is actually happening within the Civil Service. They just solely focus numbers. You look at focus on numbers. If you look at it way, if i have a pound it this way, if i have a pound coin and then i have lots of pound they get more pound coins, they get more valuable, we look valuable, right . So if we look at Civil Service bill, it at the Civil Service bill, it costs the taxpayer 15 billion a yeah costs the taxpayer 15 billion a year. However when you cut that number, you still need those people. So generally they replaced with much more expensive agency staff. The bill for that last year was an additional 3 billion. So youre not trimming fat, youre cutting corners, and then youre having to make up for it with taxpayer money. Yeah, but that that would be an understandable argument if you were talking about frontline staff , say, people in the home staff, say, people in the home office to deal with the migration issue. But if youre talking money, cereals and 100 grand plus style people but when you look at Something Like the nhs and a comparative private industry, the Management Levels are lower. The more staff you have , the the more staff you have, the more management you need. Obviously, to run the business efficiently and elliot, you talk about taxpayers money wasting taxpayers money can we talk about. Taxpayers money can we talk about. The 140 million to the about. The 140 million to the Rwandan Government that there is yet to be a flight to the Rwandan Government . Can we talk about the 120 million spent on the festival of brexit, attended by about 200 people . Can we talk about 39 billion on test and trace this is where the government is wasting the audiences money. Its not on the Civil Service. The Civil Service needs to be valued and they need to be celebrated as they need to be celebrated as the valuable Public Sector workers that they are and talk like this devalues them completely. I think listen , all three of i think listen, all three of those schemes that youve mentioned, amy, all have significant issues that have been well addressed and that weve spoken about detail. Weve spoken about in detail. But ultimately there but i think ultimately there relatively short term flash in the is what were the pan problems is what were seeing with increase in the seeing with the increase in the size the Civil Service is size of the Civil Service is were state that is were seeing a state that is starting and starting to dominate and dominate lives more and dominate peoples lives more and more more and getting more and more and getting involved in the way people live and ultimately , what were and ultimately, what were seeing is every single time theres a new emergency, every time theres new problem, we time theres a new problem, we need bring more civil need to bring in more Civil Servants with this short servants to deal with this short term but then suddenly term issue. But then suddenly the Civil Servants stay you the Civil Servants stay and, you know, agency, know, talking about agency, staff, do are staff, agency staff do not are not needed for the for example, as social research, as i said, the social research, the economic roles that youre seeing predominate now in the civil ive got one. Civil service. Ive got one. Its operational roles. Its not operational roles. One example is in 2017, so one example is in 2017, there was of these big there was one of these big rounds where the government liked not us, its liked to say, its not us, its migrants, its not us. Its just stop its not us, its stop oil its not us, its laboun stop oil its not us, its labour, its not us. Its the Civil Service. So they trimmed down service in 2017 down the Civil Service in 2017 and took a lot out of the and they took a lot out of the health care sector. And one of those was to do with those jobs was to do with infectious diseases. It had one of these fluffy like of these fluffy names like pubuc of these fluffy names like Public Health management or something they Something Like that. But they were really were actually really, really crucial. In 2022 crucial. What happened in 2022 was pandemic. Needed was the pandemic. We needed those those positions those people in those positions and because didnt have them, and because we didnt have them, it contributed to a lack of preparedness. And i think we needed the people in position. But the Civil Service isnt meant be an insurance policy meant to be an insurance policy thatis meant to be an insurance policy that is it. Who knew we had a pandemic on the way . Well, we hindsight is a wonderful we would have had a far better idea if wed had the support position government. The Civil Service as i see the Civil Service as the body and if you pump it full of poison, which this current government is doing, its not going to function correctly, but its essentially the skeleton of government need that. Government and you need that. And theyre the experts in the field say things like, hang field that say things like, hang on minute, i dont think on a minute, i dont think brexit maybe brexit is practical. Maybe we should way. Theyre should do it this way. Theyre the that are there the people that are there throughout, the ministers throughout, not the ministers that come go. Theyre the that come and go. Theyre the experts field. The experts in the field. The ministers there to take what ministers are there to take what theyre be as theyre saying on to be as productive in their departments. And thats why i think this whole talk snow flaky workshy whole talk of snow flaky workshy it just pushes morale down so much. And thats why at the moment only a quarter of Civil Servants feel valued. They feel servants feel valued. They feel paid correctly. So and actually so of them are looking for another job. So theyre being poor Little Things are under stress. Elliott the problem with this idea that theyre pumping poison into the Civil Service true. Civil service is not true. Theyre pumping money into the Civil Service. What weve seen an increase the seen is an increase in the median a Civil Servant by median pay of a Civil Servant by about because the about 26. Thats because the number servants at the number of Civil Servants at the very, top, between 75 and very, very top, between 75 and £200,000 has almost tripled. So were not seeing a situation in which the Civil Service is being treated poorly. Were seeing a situation in which the Civil Service are having more more service are having more and more money pumped into it. Then why . Then why . Why have they given perks that the private sector can only dream the dream of pension packets . The private sector can only dream of pretty generous work from home allowances. Seeing allowances. Were not seeing poison being pumped into Civil Service. Its money thats being essentially an ideological essentially been an ideological war against the civil war waged against the Civil Service for the past ten years, and yet its increasing and there is a real terms pay cut over the last ten years and they arent being you pick you pick cherry pick some of the highest paid Civil Servants which is about 2000 of a workforce of 15 billion. The median pay is theyve been theyve been on strike continually throughout the year because of the pay , which isnt because of the pay, which isnt adequate. Adequate. Well, the median pay of the Civil Servants, thats the average Civil Servant has gone up average Civil Servant has gone p by average Civil Servant has gone up by more than the basic state pension since 2016. In the total salary bill. So far ahead of gdp. So far ahead of gdp. So far ahead of gdp. Its below inflation. If you look at the individual pay bands. But what were seeing is that Civil Servants are being moved up the bands. So moved up the pay bands. So rather increasing the rather than increasing the individual civil individual pay bands, Civil Servants being servants are simply being shuffled ladder shuffled up the ladder and thats them away from thats moving them away from operational frontline the operational frontline roles. The things actually things that taxpayers actually really about and towards really care about and towards woolly things like, okay, weve, weve got to leave it there. Im afraid were out time. Im afraid were out of time. Amy elliott , thank you very much amy elliott, thank you very much very amy elliott, thank you very much venthank amy elliott, thank you very much verthank you. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah, that got spicy , oh, yeah, that got spicy, didnt it . And you will have an opinion on that at home. So do get in touch with us on that. Gb views cbnnews. Com does it all need streamlining or do we need to pump it up a bit more . Yeah. Do you think they are . Yeah. Do you think they are . Do you think good Public Servants do . Let us know now. Still to come, clothes that grow as you do. Were going to be speaking to one company that is addressing nature addressing the wasteful nature of they think of our clothing, and they think they help us during the good good morning. Welcome back. The time is 842 and its paper time. And were joined by former conservative advisor Claire Pearsall and the olympian, kriss akabusi. Good morning to you akabusi. Good morning to you both. And claire, were going to both. And claire, were going to start with quite an odd story, shall we, in the times about the french fining uk motorists over stickers . Stickers . Em w well, this is it. And i like to that this is the sort to think that this is the sort of french ulez argument that what they are doing is holidaymakers driving in france must purchase a clean air sticker so they have to pay their their money. I think its around sort of four and a half euros,4. 61. So you cannot do it allows you to drive through france. Youve paid your emissions tax and you can be fined incredibly heavily if you dont have it. So motorists who dont have it. So motorists who fail to have one face a fine of ,68, which is about £58, which rises to ,180, if not paid within 45 days. But you can only buy it online in advance. You cant go and use a corner shop in france, so you cant just pick up and then say, ill have one of those and there are different types of sticker depending on how polluting your car is, but theyre going to find the brits quite heavily. So i think people do need to be aware that they need to have that. But it does seem a little excessive. I thought id be furious with this story and actually, im not youre not . Im not, no, because i sort of think, well, if thats the thing, if they want you to pay a tax, you know, to help emissions and all the rest of it, well, whether you agree with it or for not ,4, 61 for £4. Yes. I mean, look, its not bad, is it fine if youre aware of it. Yeah. And thats the point, isnt it . Because it has i mean this is the first ive actually heard. Its the first ive heard of it. The first ive heard of. The first ive heard of. So you can imagine people are going to get stung. My experience on the continent is actually they will find you on the spot and you have to get the money. I mean, i remember once i was going from germany into belgium, got fined, didnt the with me. Didnt have the money with me. They to they followed they drove me to they followed me had a bit of me to the bank, had a bit of credit card. So. They will credit card. So. So they will get their basically, this get their money basically, this is another tax on the is just another tax on the motorists and cut it up any way you like. The motorists an you like. The motorists is an easy oh yeah. Is easy target. Oh yeah. This is another another way of doing it because also they say that youd have to if youre one of those guys who travels intercontinental. So youre going to go to france through spain or whatever it is, portugal. So youre going have to 3 or 4 different types to have 3 or 4 different types of on your of licences depending on your your. So coming. Its your car. So its coming. Its here and its just another tax on the on the motorist. I mean, its a pain and we need to be youve got to be aware of it. I just think if thats if thats the deal. Yeah but if you had one portal you log on, one portal drop down. These are the countries. This is the euro. Okay. Ding, ding. Thats going to you fair play, to cost you £20. Fair play, crack on. But its not like that. Youve got to go and find a different and its very easy to get caught out and also, if you drive through france and down into into places like spain, spain has its own scheme. So you have to buy a separate one for spain. You also for swiss. And if youre going to go swiss. And if youre going to go through that way. So each country has their rules and country has their own rules and you have to buy them all in advance. As chris said, if advance. And as chris said, if there that said, there was one website that said, im this summer, how im driving this summer, how here your one stop then here is your one stop shop, then it much better. It would be much better. Precisely. Precisely. And your mikes running out of juice. So were going to its diligent, deliberate with time. Diligent, deliberate with time. So if someone wanders in, dont worry. Its so if someone wanders in, dont worry. Its only so if someone wanders in, dont worry. Its only jacques. Hell. Worry. Its only jacques. Hell. Hell sort out you like in the meantime, lets talk about artificial intelligence. Music . Music . Yeah. Yeah. This ones. This yeah. Yeah. This ones. This always in the Financial Times and interests me. Universe and google two giants in their own arena are have it initial discuss questions about life syncing the voice of their performers. This syncing the voice of their performers. This is for the future right . And this performers. This is for the future right . And this is performers. This is for the future right . And this is now. Future right . And this is now. Now theres a theres a lovely youtube of Lisa Stansfield and barry white singing a song all around the world. And it is fab ulous. It is immaculate. And the ulous. It is immaculate. And the interactions and the i movements and it is just beautiful. Its fake. Its fake. Yes, its artificial. Its artificial. But i mean but it seems to be something that must have been agreed with their their what do you call it, you know, their states. Well shes shes still here. No, she said lisas still here. Yeah, shes still here. But barry whites estate. But its brilliant. So this is an example of for me, when it goes great. Yeah. But i remember George Michael in the George Michael in the early 90s when he had a big fall out with sony. And my worry with this is young indian artists who sell their soul to a record label. And why wouldnt you, when you get the opportunity and all of a sudden part of it is your part and parcel of it is your voice at perpetu city . Yeah, at infinitum. Um, or your image at infinitum. Um, or your image at infinitum. Um, or your image at infinitum. And we can create any sort of monstrosities with your image and your voice. Yeah. And image and your voice. Yeah. And i mean they were saying like i think for that crooner, Elizabeth Taylor and Elizabeth Taylor and i dont know. Taylor and i dont know. Oh, come on. Hes a famous , famous. Hes so famous. Richard Richard Burton. Richard. Richard burton. Richard. Oh, right. Oh, right. Yeah. Okay. So Richard Burton, hes going to be doing some sort of rapping with somebody. Well im not what somebody. Well im not sure what Richard Burton do. Rapping Richard Burton would do. Rapping with know, so with somebody. No. You know, so its another one of those things. I would love this if it was led by the artists. Create activity, can offer ideas , but activity, can offer ideas, but when its the big upstream universal, when google i see manipulation. Manipulation. Yeah, yeah, i know what you mean. I know what you mean. But at least youve set me on to a love Lisa Stansfield. Oh, so ill now check out that video all about it is a beautiful video. Love it. Oh, ive got it on my ipad. Its just brilliant. Oh, well have to check that out. Chris wright. Claire, the award for the obvious award for the most obvious headune award for the most obvious headline the headline ever might go to the express today, which is young people texting on the move are more fall. More likely to fall. Yeah, mean , it needs it yeah, i mean, it needs it needs its whole headline for itself and weve all seen that. Yes people walking along a pavements looking down at their phone, typing away and walking out into the middle of the road, walking into people. Well, weve walking into people. Well, weve all done it. Im sure that. No, not me. No, not me. No, not me. No. Okay. So im lonely as no. Okay. So im lonely as well. Well. Please. Youve done that . Please. Youve done that . Please. Youve done that . No. No. No. No chance. You have no texting. Always on the go. Exactly. No. When youre walking. Oh are you walking . You do though. You do. You walk down the pavement. You need to answer a message. Are you carry on walking. The funniest one came my boss would one i came across. My boss would never me. One i came across. My boss would nev no me. One i came across. My boss would nev no chance. 1e. No chance. No chance. My will never forgive my boss will never forgive me. Out campaigning one me. We were out campaigning one year and she was busy texting, walking down the pavement, slap bang into a lamppost. Oh oh. Oh. Caroline had to tell it. No, but it is just we pay so much attention to whats on our phones. It is the most important thing at that moment for us. You sort of. You look at it and you can see why young people do have more accidents. They dont look more accidents. They dont look at the best of times. My son is at the best of times. My son is one of those whos quite sort of clumsy and away with the fairies. Give him a phone and thats you know, he can walk up. And i noticed that the article talks about different places. Ive been frustrated, outed as a so zebra outed as a driver. So at a zebra crossing and some person young person im sorry. This is a young person. I saw it and young person. I saw it and theyre texting other and theyre texting other and theyre ambling across. Yeah, theyre ambling across. Yeah, mate , ive got somewhere to go. Mate, ive got somewhere to go. Come on. Okay. You got you right away. But come on. Yeah. And you want to go. Beep, beep, beep, beep, beep. No, i dont. I dont. I dont. Because you should. Do i know, but thats frustrating me, mate. Frustrating me, mate. But its also how most phone thefts are taking place in Central London at the moment is people crossing a road with the phone the hand in their own phone in the hand in their own little world and Somebody Just comes on and comes along on a moped and swipes it. Youre in your own bubble when that happens. Youre not when that happens. So youre not paying when that happens. So youre not paying whats paying attention to whats around i around you and it is also i mean, this will surprise no one. The of most of the the cause of most of the mistakes made text messages. Mistakes made in text messages. So the mis typings of what . Said it to the wrong oh, you said it to the wrong person. Oh have you ever done that . Oh yeah. Oh 000 yeah. Oh 000 yeah. Yeah. One of them. Yeah, yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah yeah. Ill send things to the wrong people. Loads and loads and loads. Oops that wasnt meant for you often its my daughter. She said papa. Oh no, no. Thats she said papa. Oh no, no. Thats for somebody else. For somebody else. At least thats not. At least you get away with it that way. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, me there. Oh, me there. Be a nightmare. Yeah. Now chris, youve been on the right tech theme. This morning. Yeah i again now replacing sidekicks. Yeah star and cloud. I was laughing because they didnt see it coming. It coming. Yay. Right itself. Very good i yeah, its fabulous. Now the thing is, although its quite serious , its much more serious. Serious, its much more serious. So so basically the boss and the ai world can can predict more clearly and logically based on the information that they gathering more accurately, if you can predict the future. You can predict the future. Yeah. Yeah. I was going to say, are you implying that psychics arent real . Yeah theyre not making it up as they go along. Yeah, because they are sophisticated algorithms and the Machine Learning techniques. So if you go into a seaside booth and theres 100 people going in today, it collects all the data. And as soon as you say of words, yeah, we where youre yeah, we know where youre going. But for me as a one of going. So but for me as a one of my jobs, im a coach. I can see how were we are replaceable, too, because coaches, counsellors, therapists , you counsellors, therapists, you have a line of questioning and reframing. Well, of course a bot or a robot can probably do that a lot better logically and get to the point, you know, as a coach you can go on tangents and you can be easily, whereas the robot will keep pressing you. Youve got to come back. No, no, no, get you back on point and you can go away with hard learnings. So i thought about that initially, like laughingly with the they didnt see it coming, but actually you might be out of a job. You might not see it coming either, mate, but that that is there is a serious side this story isnt it . There is this fear that jobs are going to be replaced by ai. I mean, the hollywood strike at the moment part down to the moment is in part down to those concerns, isnt it, that al is going ai is going to. Is. I think in some it is. And i think in some respects we could we look at whats happening for the future and jobs can replaced by and some jobs can be replaced by it. Might laugh about it. But you might laugh about being youll be being a coach and youll be replaced. But i theres replaced. But i think theres also empathy is also sort of empathy that is required. And in a lot of jobs deaung required. And in a lot of jobs dealing with people, which an ai bot. Well my futures absolutely fine according according to this i oh if oh if we could do leak you guys have got to do a runner. You off here. You off here. Yeah. Yeah thats it. Thats it. So your, your time is coming to an end. Your lifeline is finished. Your lifeline is finished. Your lifeline is finished. Get out. Get out of here. See you. Hook claire akabusi. Good to see you both. You guys, as always. Thanks very much indeed. Thanks very much indeed. Thanks very much indeed. Well, now lets get a check on your weather prospects today with alex. That warm feeling inside from boxt boilers. Proud sponsors of weather on. Gb news morning alex weather on. Gb news morning alex deakin here with your latest weather update from the met office for gb news a bit fresh out there this morning, but it is going to warm up. Most of us will have a fine day. Well be quite cloudy in the west. The cloud thickening now across Northern Ireland where to see where we are likely to see a little bit of light rain and drizzle. And the same goes for the coast of wales to the west coast of wales to possibly of light rain possibly a spot of light rain here. Murky some of here. Quite murky around some of the in South West England. The coast in South West England. And southwest and clouding over in southwest scotland. Windy across the scotland. Still windy across the far northeast through shetland. But the country, dry but for most of the country, dry and hazy sunshine and a and bright, hazy sunshine and a bit warmer than it has been by this afternoon. Temperatures getting quite widely into the low 20s, but thursday will be warmer still before we get there, though, this evening, staying fine for the most part. That cloud thickening further up the west coast of scotland. So a little rain and drizzle is little light rain and drizzle is possible here, but for most of us tonight, well be dry. Theyll be clear spells, but it wont chilly as the night wont be as chilly as the night just gone. The warmer air is in, so temperatures likely hold so temperatures likely to hold up the teens most of us. Up in the teens for most of us. And will lead a warmer and that will lead into a warmer feel tomorrow for sure. Again, its not blue sky everywhere. Its not blue sky everywhere. Its not wall to wall sunshine , its not wall to wall sunshine, far it. But i think well far from it. But i think well all notice that feel some all notice that warmer feel some spots rain possible over the spots of rain possible over the mountains scotland mountains in southwest scotland. The odd elsewhere,. The odd shower elsewhere, maybe especially into the south west on. But for south west later on. But for most places its dry and its fine and it will feel warm in the sunshine. Certainly compared to times with to recent times with temperatures perhaps getting up to 26, 27, maybe 28 celsius, that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers proud sponsors of weather on gb news good morning. Its 9 00 on wednesday, the 9th of august. Today, a massive data breach hits the uk. More than 40 million of us might have had our details stolen. And in a major blunder, the Police Service in Northern Ireland has released details of thousands of officers and civilian staff. Officers and civilian staff. The government strikes a deal with turkey to disrupt the supply chains and dismantle people smuggling gangs, all in a bid to address the surge in illegal immigration. Illegal immigration. Also coming up, of course, weve got your latest forecast with alex. A bit of a chilly one out there this morning, but it is going to warm up this afternoon and warmer still tomorrow with many of us seeing sunny spells. Many of us seeing sunny spells. A full forecast coming up later i a a good morning to you. Im a good morning to you. Im Stephen Dixon. Im Ellie Costello and this is breakfast on gb news news. And on the data story. Were going to go through it in a bit more detail in just a second. And we do hear a lot about data breaches at the moment , not about data breaches at the moment, not on this scale. As we said, jackie has been in touch, though, and says this is what happen. And when you insist on putting everything on computers, its if your private data is its not if your private data is stolen, its when you never hear a thieves breaking into offices and running off with thousands of hard copy files. No you dont. But its the way of the world, isnt it . Because if we like to use these things, like you know, Online Shopping and all that sort of thing, well, thats thats data is stored no way around it, is it . Theyve got to know how to charge you and where to send it and all agree to it. Our cookies dont we. Oh cookies. Yeah. Which is essentially tracking isnt it. Saying will you allow us to, to track you online. I mean , track you online. So i mean, its out there, isnt it . I do everything is out there as your diary. Diary. You know, im not going to open it. Dont be embarrassing. Dont be embarrassing. But you see, look at this. This what she does. The this is what she does. All the work. Reuters. Her writing work. Reuters. I saw her writing in this morning. In it this morning. Im very old school. Im very old school. Off, off, off, on, on, on. Kriss akabusi asked me if it was my bible. I said it might as well be. Im never without it. See that . Well be. Im never without it. Seelthat . Well be. Im never without it. Seei cant believe i lost it i cant believe i lost it last night under the sofa. And i almost had a heart attack. But its back, you see. What if you did lose it . Is that youve lost all that information. Then that correct. Well yes, that is correct. Well its on the phone. Its all my stuff on the phone. Its all backed up. Its all backed up. But this could be hacked. But this could be hacked. But this could be hacked. But it could be hacked. But that be lost. Yeah maybe. That could be lost. Yeah maybe. This the thing. Maybe so this is the thing. Maybe theres easy fix. Theres no easy fix. This is this man and is this is this a man and a woman thing . Because men wouldnt one those wouldnt carry one of those because we havent got a handbag to put it to in be fair, i dont think people use an old think many people use an old school think many people use an old sch well, think many people use an old schwell, let think many people use an old sch well, let us know. Well, let us know. Vaiews gbnews. Com. Do you still use diary . Do you use an Old School Diary . Do you write everything down . Cant write everything down . I cant bear calendar thing. Bear the phone calendar thing. I know very techie, but no, know youre very techie, but no, no, old school, we no, no. Like old school, we write down. Its not the write it down. Its not in the diary. Its not happening. Yeah. Anyway, so there has been data right . Been this data breach, right . This Electoral Commission this is the Electoral Commission 14 its been going on. 14 months its been going on. They didnt know it was happening. 40 million of us have had some of our data taken. Yeah. What by a foreign actor. So its like russia probably. Or it could be china or somewhere like that. Some very sophisticated methods. Sophisticated methods. But thats how sophisticated these hackers are, that they actually fly under the radar. The checks were being done. They were just not being picked up. Yeah, because it was just that sophisticated. And thats the problem. Problem. Meanwhile, in Northern Ireland, its not the same. Its not been a hack in that sense. Its just been a breach. And a human error, actually. But the Police Service of Northern Ireland as a result has apologised to officers and civilian staff because its a staff issue , because theyve staff issue, because theyve mistakenly published the data of every serving employee. Every serving employee. Well, the data breach reportedly involved code names, ranks and other personal data of its staff. Its staff. Well, the chief constable has apologised for the human error and says it will be fully investigated. Investigated. I understand that that will be of considerable concern to many of my colleagues and their families. Many of my colleagues and their families. Indeed, at the moment we operate in an environment at the moment where theres a Severe Threat to our colleagues from Northern Ireland related terrorism and this is the last thing that anybody in the organisation wants to here in organisation wants to be here in this well joining us this evening. Well joining us for more on this is our Northern Ireland reporter dougie beattie. Good morning to you, dougie. I mean, is a very serious i mean, this is a very serious breach which could have very serious consequences as indeed it is. Ellie this is probably the biggest breach ever inside the Police Service of Northern Ireland. It is a monumental mistake , jake. I mean, in 30 odd mistake, jake. I mean, in 30 odd years in the media, i have never seen something as bad as this. I was saying earlier on that i was talking to one of our producers last night and said it will probably not be anything. And probably not be anything. And when i actually saw it, i couldnt believe what i was seeing. These this documentation has information on it, rank , has information on it, rank, serial number, surname , initial serial number, surname, initial and more importantly, the stations that these people are deployed at. And what is going to have to happen within the next few weeks is a lot of redeploy movement. Also in amongst that is some of the staff that are working with m15 and intelligence gathering. So you can imagine some of the undercover officers here. Now the chief constable himself is on holidays. There is a policing Board Meeting tomorrow with the politician jones. And he has been asked by some of the officers, well, they are asking the question, will he return from his holidays . And look after their safety and try and clear some of this up and reassure them . He might be well advised to do so, because you will have to ask yourself, how safe is his position at this moment in time . Because if you moment in time . Because if you take the amount of information that was actually here, youve got to ask yourself how on earth did that get out of the psni . Did that get out of the psni . Echr department behind us . It was a freedom of information request. It was then published on their server and these servers, any of us can go on to them and look at those freedoms of information. But it then later appeared on a website and then was quickly taken down from that website, but by which time the damage has already been done. Its out there at this moment in time. Its it is pubuc moment in time. Its it is public knowledge. And if you want to target officers, it will not give you that instant targeting on them because theres no home addresses , no theres no home addresses, no National Insurance numbers and no personal mobile phone numbers , thank god. But if youre smart enough and clever enough, you could soon link up the dots. And could soon link up the dots. And of course, weve already had an officer here back in february, his attempted murder on him. Dci john colwell. So weve got to look at this in the round and think today is a day of shock and weve had all the politicians out trying to condemn this and get involved in it. But for once , this isnt it. But for once, this isnt a political matter. Politicians political matter. Politicians arent involved in this. This is very much the psni who have shot themselves in the foot with this data breach and it is going to have to be cleared up and answered. Well, it is, but as youve already alluded to, dougie, i mean, this is shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted as whatever happens. Now, if heads roll, if theres huge apologies and big investigations and all the rest of it, that doesnt change the reality now that there is at least the potential that some of these lives could be put at risk. Lives could be put at risk. There is. And liam kelly of the Police Federation has has said of his anger and most of all his dismay with the psni and thatis all his dismay with the psni and that is rank and file officers. And there isnt really a great relationship between this chief constable and rank and file officers over various things that have happened over the last couple of years. Couple of years. Okay, dougie, for now , thanks okay, dougie, for now, thanks very much indeed. Its a worry very much indeed. Its a worry if. If. Absolutely. I mean, especially if youre a Police Officer in Northern Ireland. I mean, John Caldwell, as dougie was was talking about there, hes a Police Officer who was shot in february. He was attacked and now has life changing injuries. I mean, there will be several Police Officers who will will know his name, will know him personally and will know him personally and will have those sorts of fears for themselves. Now as a result of this breach, there could be very serious consequences. Yeah yeah. Do let us know what you think of that story or indeed any stories were any of the stories that were talking today. Gb views talking about today. Gb views at cbnnews. Com. Now the uk and cbnnews. Com. Now the uk and turkey have struck a new deal to address the surge in illegal migration, which will focus on coordinated efforts to disrupt the supply chains and dismantle people smuggling gangs. The agreement will also see a new Operation Centre set up in turkey by the National Police, as well as a faster exchange of customs data and other intelligence. Lets get more analysis now from gb news Political Correspondent olivia utley. Good correspondent olivia utley. Good morning to you, olivia. And this morning to you, olivia. And this seems to be a new approach from the government, doesnt it . I mean, were looking now at the very source of the issue. Well, absolutely. You can see why uk government is why the uk government is choosing to focus on turkey. Not choosing to focus on turkey. Not only turkey a real hub of only is turkey a real hub of migrants coming to the uk, 1300 turkish migrants have come over here since january. But also more importantly , its estimated more importantly, its estimated that between 80 and 90 of the overall dinghies that end up in the channel are manufactured in turkey. So as you say, this is turkey. So as you say, this is the government attempting to get to the very root of the problem. Now, of course, thats easier, said than done. People said than done. The people smuggling operation is a huge money maker enterprise. So just to give you some statistics , it to give you some statistics, it costs around £1,000 to manufacture for one of these dinghies. Theyre created without a helm and they can hold about 50 migrants each. And each about 50 migrants each. And each migrant pays between 2000 and £4,000 to come over here. So i cant do the maths on the spot, but it is a huge, huge profit that the people smugglers are getting. So breaking up that network has been proven to be very, very difficult indeed. This new attempt is essentially creating this task force with the turkish authorities to give them empower them with both money and boots on the ground to seize boats when they are being manufactured. And to boost the identification of those people smuggling gangs and the workhouses where theyre being created. And so its a new try, created. And so its a new try, but itll be really interesting to see how it plays out because before, when weve seen the government trying to crack down on on the source of people smuggling gangs last year we saw the Prime Minister create an agreement with albania, which is the of the gang the prime hub of the gang members themselves. The gangs members themselves. The gangs just moved away from albania and carried on their criminal enterprises elsewhere. So there enterprises elsewhere. So there is, of course, the risk that that will happen. This time. Yeah, its interesting, though, because if turkey is the sort of main manufacturer of these sort of vessels , its not these sort of vessels, its not as easy, i guess, as it might appean as easy, i guess, as it might appear, to just suddenly shift that somewhere else or do it in a way that is on notice. Right . So theres potential for a big impact here. That is true. Whereas as you say, its easier for the gangs themselves, for the gang members to move countries moving a whole the sort of infrastructure for manufacturing from one country to another will probably prove to another will probably prove to be more difficult. And its a very sophisticated criminal infrastructure is in place. Infrastructure that is in place. Youre seeing the ships being manufactured in turkey then moved to germany and in moved over to germany and in germany. Other parts of the ship sort of how it all is put together is imported over from china. So its all a sophisticated and complicated structure which has been in place for a long time now and runs very smoothly. So the government hopes that if they can sort of crack into that and disrupt the process, yes, then it will at least make things much difficult for much more difficult for the people. People smugglers. Course, the question and of course, the question in of this is how much is it in all of this is how much is it going to cost . And we were talking to Robert Jenrick earlier, he wouldnt minister, and he wouldnt put a figure it. But weve had lots figure on it. But weve had lots of come in from viewers of emails come in from viewers saying taxpayers money. Saying this is taxpayers money. We know that were going we want to know that were going to get a return on our investment. Well, exactly. And the figures that were hearing at the it will cost £3 the moment is it will cost £3 million of taxpayers money to set centre for organised set up the centre for organised crime, part the crime, which is part of the agreement which will be set up with turkey. But obviously there are other facets are there are many other facets to plan which will end to this plan which will all end up costing as well. And of up costing money as well. And of course year on year were handing over huge amounts of money, blank checks to money, almost blank checks to france boots on the france putting boots on the ground in france to monitor the dinghies that are coming over. So this will amount to we dont know how much the government is being pretty about putting being pretty cagey about putting an figure on much the an actual figure on how much the whole will cost. Whole agreement will cost. But it be millions millions it will be millions and millions of taxpayers money. Of of pounds of taxpayers money. Of course, of people would course, lots of people would say, well, if it works, then its more than worth it. Ill tell you what yeah, ill tell you what i have tweak of sympathy for the have a tweak of sympathy for the government sense that government in the sense that theres theres still plenty government in the sense that th dorset and there has been so much controversy over that, and itll only make it less than 1 dentin itll only make it less than 1 dent in the backlog of migrants. So any any action the government takes as you say, it does feel a little bit like just just tinkering around the edges. But that said, rishi sunak has made clear that one of his top five priorities is to stop the boats. We know from polls that people are very, very keen on this problem being addressed. So theyve got to do what they can. Yeah. Okay olivia, thanks very much indeed. Thank very much. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Love a view on that. Gb you love a view on that. Gb views gb news dot com. I do. I do. Its not often feel sympathy for a government, any government , but on this one its like what . What are you meant to do . Well, you just keep trying i guess. But its. Well, clearly its not an easy fix because if it was an easy fix because if it was an easy fix, it would have been fixed a long time ago. Fixed a very long time ago. Yeah. And perhaps with this story, talking about story, if were talking about millions worth of millions of pounds worth of money, be good money, that could be a good investment. We to see investment. If we start to see a return on that. Its yeah, its whether we see return, whether whether it see a return, whether whether it works not. Works or not. You let us know what you do you let us know what you think of that. Vaiews gbnews. Com about a good talking about a good investment. 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Really good you both this good to see you both this morning. Arabella, thank morning. Ryan, arabella, thank you much indeed very much. You very much indeed very much. Do frock in this . Do you a frock in this . Yeah, i could wear it on the screen thats idea. Screen forever. Thats an idea. Could it forever. Exactly. Could wear it forever. Exactly. Thats it from us. Youre back tomorrow, arent i tomorrow, arent you . I certainly am. 6 00. 6 00. Yeah, but next up is britains newsroom with martin and britains newsroom with martin ancit indeed coming up on it is indeed so coming up on the show today so much, the show today with me, so much, you are all russians. You guys are all russians. Russians be one could russians be behind one of biggest Cyber Attacks . Of the biggest Cyber Attacks . Electro breaches in our history . Yeah. And the uk yeah. And as the uk government to £3 government plans to throw £3 million to kerb million at turkey to kerb illegal immigration, will it make they sent make any difference . They sent 3 million last year that did nothing. Plus, as it emerges, we nothing. Plus, as it emerges, we now more Civil Servants now have more Civil Servants than britain than armed forces. Is britain being ruled by an army of petty bureaucrats . Bureaucrats . You wont want to miss britains newsroom today. Stay tuned. To going the tuned. Were to going the weather. Weather now. That warm feeling inside from boxt boilers are proud sponsors of weather on. Gb news. Of weather on. Gb news. Morning alex deakin here with your latest weather update from the met office for gb news a bit fresh out there this morning, but it is going to warm up most of us will have fine day. Of us will have a fine day. Well quite cloudy in the well be quite cloudy in the west. The cloud thickening now across where we west. The cloud thickening now acr likely where we west. The cloud thickening now acr likely to where we west. The cloud thickening now acr likely to see where we west. The cloud thickening now acr likely to see a where we west. The cloud thickening now acr likely to see a little where we west. The cloud thickening now acr likely to see a little bitere we are likely to see a little bit of light rain and drizzle and the same goes for the west coast of wales to possibly a spot of light rain quite murky light rain here, quite murky around the coast around some of the coast in south west clouding South West England and clouding over scotland. Over in southwest scotland. Still windy across the far northeast through but northeast through shetland. But for the country, dry and for most of the country, dry and bright, sunshine and a bit bright, hazy sunshine and a bit warmer than it has been by this afternoon. Temperatures getting quite widely into low 20s. Quite widely into the low 20s. But thursday will be warmer. Still before we get there, though, this evening, still before we get there, though, this evening , staying though, this evening, staying fine for the most part. That cloud thickening further up the west of scotland. West coast of scotland. So a little light drizzle is little light rain and drizzle is possible here, but for most of us tonight, well be dry. Theyll clear spells, but it theyll be clear spells, but it wont be chilly as the night. Wont be as chilly as the night. Just gone. Warmer air is in just gone. The warmer air is in so temperatures likely to hold up in the teens most us. Up in the teens for most of us. And will lead into a warmer and that will lead into a warmer feel tomorrow for sure. Again, its not blue sky everywhere. Its not wall to wall sunshine, far from it. But i think well all notice that warmer feel some spots rain possible over spots of rain possible over the mountains southwest scotland. Mountains in southwest scotland. The elsewhere, maybe the odd shower elsewhere, maybe especially into the south west later but for most places later on. But for most places its dry and its fine and it will feel warm in the sunshine. Certainly compared recent certainly compared to recent times temperatures perhaps times with temperatures perhaps getting to 26, 27, maybe 28 getting up to 26, 27, maybe 28 celsius , that warm feeling celsius, that warm feeling inside and from boxt boilers proud sponsors of weather on gb news top of the morning. Its 930 on wednesday, the 9th of august. This is britains newsroom on gb news with myself, Martin Daubney and emily carver. Yes. Thank you very much. Could this be biggest cyber could this be the biggest Cyber Security in history . And Security Breach in history . And could your details have been accessed at more than 40 million of might have had our of us . Might have had our details stolen and theres been a major blunder for the Police Service in Northern Ireland. 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