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Welcome back. Thank you very much. How was the holiday . Very sunny. I think i timed it quite well. Ive missed this wet patch that everybodys been experiencing ive come experiencing and now ive come back are you . Back to sunshine. Where are you . Of france. Yeah. South of france. Yeah. South of france. Yeah. Its lovely. Yeah. Really nice. Can you imagine . And you were just saying that you were busy boozing the flight last night. Well, i had glass of well, i had had a glass of wine, of course, on a wine, but, of course, on a flight, you have to have a little mini bottle. Oh, and it was about 6 00 in the evening. I thought would having thought everyone would be having a drink, but maybe everyone had had on their holidays. Had too much on their holidays. And was drinking and it seemed i was drinking alone flight home. Alone on the flight home. Yeah. How many bottles did you have . No, just the one. Just the one i was working on. Getting the cider. Might getting the cider. I might not drink, i like to drink not drink, but i like to drink victory through you. There you go. Ill do that. With pleasure. There with pleasure. Yeah. There you stuff. Its nice you go. Lovely stuff. Its nice to back. To have you back. You. Nice to be back. Thank you. Nice to be back. Thank you. Nice to be back. Lets take you through our top story this morning. Should we federation for we in the Police Federation for northern says urgent Northern Ireland says urgent answers after answers are required after details emerged of a second major leak containing major data leak containing the names 200 serving names of more than 200 serving officers and staff. Comes after the well, this comes after the worst breach in worst Security Breach in northern history, where Northern Irish history, where the locations the the names and locations of the entire force were mistakenly put onune entire force were mistakenly put online hours. Online for three hours. To our northern lets talk to our Northern Ireland beattie, ireland reporter dougie beattie, who i mean, dougie who joins us now. I mean, dougie , fact that there has now , the fact that there has now been reports a second data been reports covid a second data breach, put an awful breach, this has put an awful lot pressure now on the chief lot of pressure now on the chief constable here. Totally correct, stephen. Thatis totally correct, stephen. That is exactly whats happening here. And that pressure will come today here behind us. This is where the policing board sits. Thats that body that was set up the good friday up under the good friday agreement examine and hold agreement to examine and hold the psni responsible to local politicians. But of course, politicians. But of course, those local politicians are politicians. When it goes down to it, they will love the investigation. They will always try to excuse themselves. So today we will probably see this chief constable coming in behind us here. And those politics actions will say, we will wait for the investigation into this. And of course, that investigation will be into the foy side of the psni. Now, the foy side of the psni. Now, the foy say the freedom of information is run by civilians , but it will have a master, if you like, a boss that is inside the psni and the executive of the psni and the executive of the psni. Those executive management body that are around the chief constable will face investigate actions. And theres no doubt about it on a breach this size. So somebodys head will have to rule for this because the sheer amount of money that will have to come out of the taxpayers pocket to put this rate will, i would imagine , be eye watering in some in some stages. But last night we found out out of the Police Federation that this laptop was stolen out of a car at the start of july with 200 officers. Details on that particular laptop. Now, if youre doing laptop. Now, if youre doing jigsaw Data Analysis and youre putting stuff together, those bits and pieces of data that were released yesterday, along with the stuff out of the laptop, could put a lot of officers in a lot of danger. Youve got to remember the threat level here is at severe. The ira took many, many lives of Police Officers , sorry, in Police Officers, sorry, in Northern Ireland over many decades. And they are still targets, particularly to republican organisations. So as much as all eyes will be on the policing board here today, i think we will hear a lot of political bluster. But really there is a scheduled meeting of there is a scheduled meeting of the Police Federation and that is the body that looks after rank and file officers and they will be pushing for number one answers of the chief constable and his executive body. And number two, they will be laying or laying down their what they want out of this and how quickly they want it, because one of the biggest problems with rank and file officers is that they are very frustrated about how long disciplinary actions are taking, how much paperwork is in them and how quickly much quicker that can be done. So as officers arent left hanging with court cases. So they will want to see a very, very quick answer to this. So the probability is that today at the policing board, things will go politically. Things will go politically. Well, there will be a lot of bluster , but the police bluster, but the Police Federation this afternoon is the place to watch and there we think they will probably take a similar line, but they will want it done within a matter of weeks , not months. Okay, dougie , with that, okay, dougie, with that, thanks very much indeed. Now the thanks very much indeed. Now the Prime Minister is facing calls to put membership of the European Convention on human rights at the heart of his Election Campaign. Election campaign. Apparently, up to a third of the cabinet believe continued echr membership is preventing britain from protecting its borders against ilLegal Immigration. With deportations to rwanda, for example , hanging to rwanda, for example, hanging in the balance. Lets get the views now of leon emirali , who views now of leon emirali, who joins us in the studio, political analyst. Political analyst. Good morning. Good to see you, leon. Are seeing, do you you, leon. Are we seeing, do you think, bit of a hardening of think, a bit of a hardening of the position the government the position of the government at the yeah at the moment on the echr . Yeah i we are. I think we are. I think what were seeing is the government looking to project they doing project that they are doing everything can to tackle everything they can to tackle illegal whether ilLegal Immigration, whether thats legal or thats through the legal or illegal as currently is illegal means as it currently is with rwanda policy. And i with the rwanda policy. And i think are looking think they are looking to project that to the public, but they also exactly, as you they are also exactly, as you say, isabel, that say, isabel, hardening that stance the european stance on the European Convention much convention of human rights, much similar we saw with similar to the way we saw with the European Union over the years. Think this is years. And i think this is a culmination potentially in the tories throwing kitchen sink tories throwing the kitchen sink at this, trying to find a breakthrough talk of breakthrough and this talk of potentially , i think is potentially leaving, i think is going be to the ears of going to be music to the ears of those the of the party. Those on the right of the party. But well worry those in the middle. Well, i mean, how middle. Yeah, well, i mean, how realistic prospect is it realistic a prospect is it because its been talked of for some time but never actually happened. Weve also weve happened. And weve also weve got to differentiate. Its not actually to do with the actually anything to do with the eu. This it. No, its nothing eu. This is it. No, its nothing to do with the European Union. Its formation of the its actually a formation of the european and european council. And realistically, the European Convention rights , its convention on human rights, its peoples against the Peoples Protection against the state. Thats ultimately what its there for. And i think its quite worrying if we were to withdraw, we would be quite alone in doing so. In withdrawing, it would be sort of us and russia and other european states who arent necessarily conducive to that western liberal democracy. So i think it liberal democracy. So i think it is worrying and i think when you look what they are look at what they what they are talking this sort talking about, this sort of hardening stance around withdrawing , i think withdrawing altogether, i think its potentially win votes its potentially to win votes andisnt its potentially to win votes and isnt necessarily going to be easy thing to do. Be an easy thing to do. And to clear, if we and just to be clear, if we were to withdraw from the echr , were to withdraw from the echr, that resolve the rwanda that wouldnt resolve the rwanda deportation would deportation situation, would it . Because being because thats actually being rejected court at the rejected by the court at the moment in country. The moment in this country. The supreme court. Yes although think that the although i think that the European Convention of human rights sits it and rights sort of sits above it and it a judge in strasbourg who it is a judge in strasbourg who unilaterally stopped those deport asian flights last year. So it certainly wouldnt be the silver but would make silver bullet, but it would make things a lot easier. So that is obviously what the government is hoping but, you know, hoping happens. But, you know, this not be the be this is not going to be the be all and end all. I think all and end all. And i think there could be unintended consequences this when you consequences of this when you look you know, potentially look at, you know, potentially what mean if we what what it would mean if we had Prime Minister had a Prime Minister or a government led by, lets say, someone Jeremy Corbyn. And government led by, lets say, somewhat Jeremy Corbyn. And government led by, lets say, somewhat doesremy corbyn. And government led by, lets say, somewhat does that corbyn. And government led by, lets say, somewhat does that meann. And government led by, lets say, somewhat does that mean in and then what does that mean in terms people having access to terms of people having access to a people having a free trial, people having access protections against access to protections against the and i think a the state . And i think its a very slippery slope. Yeah. And you can understand the worries. You can understand the unintended consequences, but you can understand the can also understand the frustration of people, cant you, that you know , we have a you, that you know, we have a sovereign government that cannot actually enact what certain a lot of people in the country want to see happen. Well, stephen, this reminds me a little bit of henry the eighth when he wanted he wanted his way and he and he left the catholic church. I think its a similar thing with with you cant thing with with this. You cant come a with a with come up with a with a with a policy that is against the law. And your answer to that is to leave court that those leave the court that sets those those laws. Think there has those laws. I think there has to be another forward. And be another way forward. And i think its on the government now to come up Creative Ideas to come up with Creative Ideas where can actually perhaps where they can actually perhaps park policy one park the rwanda policy to one side, other means of side, look at other means of being to stop illegal being able to stop ilLegal Immigration country, immigration into the country, and everyone. And thats satisfy everyone. We talk about and, leon, when we talk about a third of the cabinet supposedly in favour ditching supposedly in favour of ditching the idea of sort the echr, any idea of sort of names might suspect names of who we might suspect among those , i imagine theres among those, i imagine theres one at the top of that. I think no surprises. Suella braverman i imagine the home secretary is pushing that. Secretary is pushing for that. I mean, policy really mean, this rwanda policy really does hallmark all over mean, this rwanda policy really d01so hallmark all over mean, this rwanda policy really d01so for hallmark all over mean, this rwanda policy really d01so for her hallmark all over mean, this rwanda policy really d01so for her to allmark all over mean, this rwanda policy really d01so for her to have|rk all over mean, this rwanda policy really d01so for her to have a. All over mean, this rwanda policy really d01so for her to have a successr it. So for her to have a success in this particular policy, i think she is pushing for that. I think she is pushing for that. I think it is definitely those on the of the cabinet. And i the right of the cabinet. And i would there is some would imagine that there is some resistance from the resistance perhaps from the more moderate likes of penny moderate the likes of penny mordaunt, perhaps who i mordaunt, perhaps actually who i imagine to stay part mordaunt, perhaps actually who i imthe|e to stay part mordaunt, perhaps actually who i imthe echr. To stay part mordaunt, perhaps actually who i imthe echr. But to stay part mordaunt, perhaps actually who i imthe echr. But itsto stay part mordaunt, perhaps actually who i imthe echr. But its another art of the echr. But its another issue where is a split in issue where there is a split in the cabinet. The tories dont look unified and thats a problem heading into an election. Tell you what election. I tell you what though, could be vote though, it could be a vote winner, of winner, but purely because of the that people are the frustration that people are feeling, people feeling like feeling, people are feeling like were not getting anything done and were being hampered in what we can see it we do. Therefore, you can see it as a i dont know what you say about unintended consequences. You people not necessarily you know, people not necessarily understand all understand exactly what it all means however it could win a means. However it could win a few votes over. It could do. Means. However it could win a few votes over. It could do. And i think this is why its slightly worrying, because i think it is actually popular when you poll the public on that question alone. But then when you look at the deeper consequences of it and it does really underpin the sort of whole judiciary in this country and think we were to leave and i think if we were to leave that, would have that, it would have consequences. Perhaps consequences. People perhaps havent youre havent considered. But youre quite steve saw quite right, steve and i saw a poll on on twitter. I saw a poll on think it was the telegraph on i think it was the telegraph website. It seems as though its very that want very popular that people do want to leave. But i think thats just on the rwanda question alone. And would cover much, alone. And it would cover much, much that were to. Okay. I was just going to ask a final question about lee anderson and his admission acknowledgement, as it, acknowledgement, as he put it, that the government failing that the government was failing on the problem of on on kerbing the problem of illegal robert on on kerbing the problem of illegal biting robert on on kerbing the problem of illegal biting back robert on on kerbing the problem of illegal biting back against jenrick biting back against that. Yet number 10, not that. But yet number 10, not really that critical of some of his language, more colourful language in all of this. Its again that tory disunity isnt it . And its not a good look to have deputy chairman of the going against the party going up against a home minister and yes, i Home Office Minister and yes, i think Lee Andersons language was unparliamentary. And i think that thats sort of fairly fair to see. But then again, perhaps the point behind that language was and a lot of people was valid and a lot of people would resonate with it. So i dont think number 10 are going to give to lee to necessarily give more to lee anderson slap on the anderson than a slap on the wrist him on. And wrist and let him move on. And thats of his appeal. Its thats part of his appeal. Its the way that does reach the way that he does reach a part of the audience that perhaps cant. Yeah, perhaps rishi sunak cant. Yeah, okay, leon, thanks much okay, leon, thanks very much indeed. Know what you indeed. Let us know what you think. Yes. About lee think. Yes. About that lee anderson comment. I mean, its an he just an interesting one. Is he just its not party. Its not parliamentary language, is it . Its not the way we do things normally. Is he just saying what you think , which is also part of you think, which is also part of the point. Yeah. But i actually think what was more shocking was to have as seniors him have somebody as seniors him deputy of the conservative deputy chair of the conservative party saying that the government had failed when theyre a year away from an election. To me that almost of the that was almost more of the headune that was almost more of the headline all of it. Let headline out of all of it. Let us know what you think. Those are our thoughts this morning. Vaiews gbnews. Com you enjoyed now if you enjoyed yesterdays weather, its yesterdays warm weather, its going to get even hotter this week. Apparently. Temperatures going to get even hotter this weeto apparently. Temperatures going to get even hotter this weeto rise arently. Temperatures going to get even hotter this weeto rise above. Temperatures going to get even hotter this weeto rise above 24 mperatures going to get even hotter this weeto rise above 24 degrees. Es set to rise above 24 degrees. Heaven forbid its august after all, but will it be short lived . The met office is predicting that well be getting a band of more thunderstorms comes next week. Well lets speak to meteorologist hes meteorologist jim dale. Hes here us whats in store. Here to tell us whats in store. Good morning you, jim, from a good morning to you, jim, from a very sunny backdrop. Are very sunny backdrop. Where are you and how long you this morning . And how long can enjoy the sunshine for . Can we enjoy the sunshine for . Morning, guys. Im hi. Good morning, guys. Im in. Im on the rye in high wycombe, which is a big open space. Theres some nice woods behind me here, which i often go walking or running in. So, yeah, theres not many people around at the moment, but its a its a lovely morning. The suns just coming up behind my behind my shoulder there over the trees. So yeah , its, its going to be so yeah, its, its going to be one of those days. I think we can embrace this. Oh, thank heavens for that. So give us the bad news. How short lived is this going to be, jim . Well , okay, so jim . Well, okay, so this is this is the peak day. You mentioned 24. Im going to say , well, 24. Im going to say, well, actually, ten days ago, i think i broke it. I said today might well reach 30 degrees now , im well reach 30 degrees now, im not sure it will. 28 is probably going to be the mark around that sort of area. Lincolnshire down to the south east. And maybe, you know , i think for most parts you know, i think for most parts of the country, its going be of the country, its going to be right up but in terms of right up there. But in terms of how long its to last, do how long its going to last, do you know what i actually think now, from now on in, were going to and flow between what you to ebb and flow between what you might this really of might call this really sort of beautiful, weather and beautiful, kind of weather and then troughs come then the troughs that come so much like were used to in much more like were used to in the in of seeing the uk in terms of seeing temperate type weather, changeable out of the atlantic and getting nice days and then getting some nice days as weve got today. So as well like weve got today. So i think its all bad news. I dont think its all bad news. Stephen i think , oh, stephen i think i think, oh, thatis stephen i think i think, oh, that is quite bad news. News, no sunshine anymore. News, no sunshine anymore. News, no sunshine anymore. Now mind you, thats enough of what you need know from of what you need to know from jim. Be honest, its not jim. Lets be honest, its not going to be as bad as we thought. Oh, weve got him back. A final question well have a final question to because we were to him, because we often were having a bad summer, jim. We look to september our look to september with all our hopes of indian summers. Look to september with all our h0jyou of indian summers. Look to september with all our h0jyou think of indian summers. Look to september with all our h0jyou think long|dian summers. Look to september with all our h0jyou think long term,;ummers. Look to september with all our h0jyou think long term, you ners. Do you think long term, you know, we might get a bit more of a sunshine in the later part of the year . Yeah. Do you what i see yeah. Do you know what i see september being the new september as being the new summer . I really do. Summer month . I really do. I think Climate Change has think i think Climate Change has nudged little on which nudged that little bit on which means that can embrace means that we can embrace september. Going september. Its probably going to of giving to be overdue in terms of giving us High Pressure weve us some High Pressure that weve not for time. So not seen for a long time. So i think absolutely theres no reason why that we cant control you to look to september. Look, pack all your stuff away at the end of, you know, when the schools go and think thats schools go back and think thats the end of it and were heading to yeah we dont see as to winter. Yeah we dont see as much of sun. Obviously it much of the sun. Obviously it rises a little bit later and sets a little bit earlier, but nonetheless, we can say nonetheless, i think we can say that to come. We that theres plenty to come. We wont see a 40 degree this year, thats for sure. For thats for sure. Thats for other looking to down other parts. Looking to down spain this this spain and turkey, this this week, today and this week, in terms of maybe some record temperatures down there. If you if you if youre going down there record all time there and i say record all time record. For ourselves , i record. But for ourselves, i think this 24, 25, 26 is where we are at this moment in time. I think well be repeated several times throughout august and maybe september as well. Maybe into september as well. Well, thats something to look to enjoy. A lovely look forward to enjoy. A lovely day, jim. The most of it. Day, jim. Make the most of it. Thanks much. Thanks very much. Its a good point as well. The weathers to going continue into september. All those garden furniture sales and all that says away yet, but says dont put it away yet, but you get it almost half price you can get it almost half price now. Are you going to get a few more out of them . You more weeks out of them . You youve looking around, have youve been looking around, have you . Been looking some you . Ive been looking for some garden furniture there. You go. You go. There you go. Top tip. There you go. Top tip. Well, its nice. We were only saying last night that weve got some of, a nice set some sort of, like, a nice set outside with with fire. You outside with a with a fire. You know weve got a fire in know those. Weve got a fire in the table. Havent used once. Havent used it once. Havent used it once. Havent used once this havent used it once this yeah had havent used it once this year. Had the barbecue year. Havent had the barbecue out this year. Nothing. Out once this year. Nothing. Right. It out. Right. Well keep it out. Youve heard it here. First were to another six were going to have another six weeks fingers crossed. Weeks of summer fingers crossed. I or yes. Just i or 2 thunderstorms in between. Now. Its 616 the united states. A its 616 in the united states. 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Instead of trained astronauts. Id love to go on that flight, wouldnt you . Thats oh yeah, an absolute bucket list dream for you is a bucket list. I tell you what, i cant quite get my head around. Is that mother and her daughter going up for two reasons. One is, after what we saw with the submarine and you sort of think families doing that sort of very risky thing together. But the other thing is the money. Yeah, the money. Well, i spoke to Richard Branson about these flights , oh, i dont know, 4 or flights, oh, i dont know, 4 or 5 years ago now. And they were then a quarter of £1 million each. Yeah, thats a lot of money. So they forking out half £1 million to go up on that. But you know, youre so right. Dont put all your eggs in one basket. And im not sure two members one family is the two members of one family is the best that we think best idea. Not that we think anythings going to happen to them. No you would them. No no. You would be prepared yourself prepared to put yourself in there. So you must have a certain amount of confidence. I personally would that. Personally would never do that. It be long time before it would be a long time before i could tempted into one of could be tempted up into one of those. Itd be fascinating those. But itd be fascinating to see how goes. To see how it goes. Youll be doing it eventually, do you reckon . Because will quickest because it will be the quickest way around the world way to travel around the world and its tried and and things if its tried and tested everyones it tested and everyones doing it in a while, maybe ill think tested and everyones doing it in a wit. E, maybe ill think about it. But im becoming a more nervous flyer. Just normal flying older. Flying as ive got older. Really . Well, talked really . Yeah well, weve talked about the boozing. Nice one. Glass wine. Ithink about the boozing. Nice one. Glass wine. I think its just glass of wine. I think its just because weve seen this increase in turbulence on flights now because theres this erratic because theres all this erratic weather. Been weather. And whereas just been in south of france so windy in the south of france so windy the whole theyre windier the whole time, theyre windier than of the locals used than any of the locals are used to, meant the sea was to, which meant the sea was really but it means flying really cold. But it means flying has become bit more scarce. Has become a bit more scarce. Mary and im more of nervous mary and im more of a nervous flyer, so going on one of those, im sure there yet. Im not sure im there yet. Turbulence that theres no turbulence that high , just g force. Theres high up, just g force. Theres no air. Fine. Excellent no air. Youre fine. Excellent no, no air. Youre fine. Excellent n0, id. Id no air. Youre fine. Excellent no, id. Id give it a whirl , no, id. Id give it a whirl, but unfortunately, i cant afford it. If you fancy it, let us know. Gb views gb news dot com. Lets get a full outlook on the weather for you today with greg. That warm feeling inside from boxt boilers proud sponsors of weather on gb news news. Hello there. Im greg hello there. Im Greg Dewhurst and welcome to your latest gb Weather Forecast for the day ahead. Its looking fine and dry for many. Plenty of sunny spells feeling much warmer than it has done for many weeks now. And this morning, yes, there bit of low there is a little bit of low cloud initially, but this should lift and break and most places having fine day ahead. Plenty having a fine day ahead. Plenty of blue skies. The cloud of blue skies. Yes, the cloud will go at times across will come and go at times across northern parts of Northern England, parts of scotland, then well thicken scotland, and then well thicken across later across some western parts later on, an afternoon shower on, perhaps an afternoon shower developing over parts of wales, Northern Ireland, but most places dry. And those temperatures reaching to temperatures reaching the mid to high 20s 28 or 29 celsius possible towards the south east this afternoon. Weve not seen this afternoon. Weve not seen those temperatures for quite some time into the evening, though we see a weather front though we do see a weather front moving west and this moving into the west and this will some rain to northern will give some rain to Northern Ireland then of wales, ireland and then parts of wales, west and scotland, southwest england slowly pushing its way north and eastwards through the night. Rain could night. Some of this rain could be times, particularly be heavy at times, particularly across scotland, very in across scotland, very little in the south and another warm, muqqy the south and another warm, muggy to come. Muggy night to come. Temperatures minimum around 17 temperatures a minimum around 17 or 18 degrees. So a bit of a cloudier start to friday. There will be some bright or sunny spells. Rain, though, across Northern England and scotland. This the way. And this pushing out the way. And then be day of sunny then itll be a day of sunny spells scattered showers spells and scattered showers across the country. Showers most frequent in the brisk breeze towards and the west. Towards the north and the west. Some these heavy times, some of these heavy at times, some stay dry. And some places will stay dry. And in best the sunshine in the best of the sunshine towards south east towards the south east temperatures around 25 or 26 celsius. So still feeling quite warm a little fresher warm here, a little fresher towards the north west that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers, proud sponsors of weather on. Gb news. Weather on. Gb news. Coming up, weve got all the sport for you with paul coyte when the news happens , it when the news happens, it happens here. Im really important. Im really important. Breaking news, breaking news this morning on tv, radio and online. The news starts here on britains newsroom all the biggest stories and the answers that you need from across the uk and beyond. Join britains newsroom from 9. 30 on gb news, the peoples channel. Britains news channel 624. Good morning to you. Still to come today, are you a guppy . Thats someone whos given up on owning a property. Well look at the housing crisis facing the under 40s and then well be asking, is breast best . This comes after a mother was told to stop breastfeeding her six week old baby on a flight. What do you think would you be offended by somebody breastfeeding . Get in touch in breastfeeding . Get in touch in all the ways . Email us at all the usual ways . Email us at gbviews gbnews. Uk or you can tweet us at. Gb news. Tweet us at. Gb news. All right. Lets get the sport for you this morning. Choices here. Hello. Welcome back. Thank you very much. Holiday its nice to be back. Yeah. Anyone whos just been working, i know you have been working, i know you have been working very hard, but isabel is so browner than i am, so much browner than i am, though. Why is that . Why is that . Be fair, you well, to be fair, you were browner when he came in. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, just want to take it well, i just want to take it down little bit. I told. Down a little bit. I was told. Listen was when i came listen i was told when i came in, whatever you do, dont out tan. Oh, that was the tan. Izzy oh, that was the phrase. Ive decided to step. Phrase. So ive decided to step. It is. It is in the right. So i thought id step away and not out tan you whatsoever. Out tan you anyway whatsoever. Honestly, did have honestly, time i did have a lovely time. Thank you very much. But it is lovely to be back. If you dont, ill just say if you dont crack on. Yes, were going to need added time. Fine i see what youre doing. See the magic is still there. Oh, yeah, it is. Its all about because the premier league begins again tomorrow. So the first burnley versus first game, burnley versus manchester first game, burnley versus mancheste|earlier, time mentioned earlier, its time keeping and discipline. So as far as the referees are concerned , theyre going to concerned, theyre going to crack down. And weve spoken about this. Isabel, i know that you feel this way about rugby, that its , you know, its better that its, you know, its better refereed when it comes to discipline in rugby. It is. Its all about respect. Whereas we have in football, you know, you get complaints and this and that and you get players crowding the referee. All this has got to stop. So what theyre going to do to cut a long story short is brandish. And this is the only time i ever hear the word brandish is brandish cards, brandish is brandish cards, brandish the yellow card because its only way that its its the only way that its actually going to stop. And thats for misbehaviour specifically towards referees , specifically towards referees, to referees and to each other. To referees and to each other. And its just and also the other thing is about timekeeping, because the games it was during the world cup that games started going longer. We obviously is a 90 minute match, but then they start going 100 minutes, start going to 100 minutes, maybe even 110 minutes. Maybe some even 110 minutes. And the reason for that is just because a lot of time wasting that goes on. You know , you get that goes on. You know, you get the again, something that would be missing rugby where you be missing in rugby where you have rolling around have the players rolling around for know, there may for a while. You know, there may be and just a bit be 1 0 up and just waste a bit of the referee is not of time. The referee is not going to accept of that. So going to accept any of that. So theres going to be yellow theres going to be more yellow cards involved in that. And also there will be time on. So, there will be time added on. So, for if theres for example, if theres a celebration for how long celebration for a goal, how long do the average time do you think the average time for a celebration for a guy i mean, if it was me, id probably do like a good 15 minutes. I think celebration. So average celebration. The average time for celebration , would you for a celebration, would you say, is how long a quick sort say, is how long do a quick sort of wave to the crowd . Yeah. Yeah. Shirt yeah. Shirt off, yeah. Shirt off, wave yeah. Shirt off, wave it around, give minutes. Around, give it five minutes. Five minutes . Yeah. I reckon its 4 or 560. Its only 65 seconds is it. Five minutes is long. Yeah. Seconds is as long as it 65 seconds is as long as it should be. Exactly. But theyre even saying that should be. Exactly. Eshouldre even saying that should be. Exactly. Eshould be, even saying that should be. Exactly. Eshould be, that saying that should be. Exactly. Eshould be, that goes g that should be. Exactly. Eshould be, that goes tomat should be. Exactly. Eshould be, that goes too on that should be, that goes too on long. That get back and long. Yeah. That get back and theyll the theyll add it on. So the average length they say a of average length they say of a of average length they say of a of a game the premier league a game in the premier league this year will be 101 minutes. It should be 93, but it basically means that theres more that we can watch the more time that we can watch the game instead of it just ball being out of play and then not watching if that celebration is going than 65 seconds or more than 65 seconds or whatever it is, you get a yellow card them. Yeah, right. Well, get yellow card well, you can get yellow card for taking the off which for taking the shirt off which is was always my favourite for taking the shirt off which is of was always my favourite for taking the shirt off which is of celebrating s my favourite for taking the shirt off which is of celebrating asny favourite for taking the shirt off which is of celebrating as younvourite for taking the shirt off which is of celebrating as you know,e way of celebrating as you know, which had to, had to which ive now had to, had to curtail that to rein that in. But i know, i know. Ijust had to. Thats it. So you can get for that. And so get yellow card for that. And so its cracking down. And the its just cracking down. And the whole to the game whole idea is to make the game quicker, exciting and quicker, more exciting and therefore better for the spectator as which is very spectator as well, which is very good. Card. Fine. Good. Yellow card. Okay, fine. What that for though . What is what is that for though . What is what is that for though . What was for . Indiscipline what was it for . Indiscipline you just talking taking my you just talking about taking my shirt and also the shirt disgusting. And also the other that should other thing is that i should mention this. They have ball assistant. Know them as assistant. We would know them as ball boys and ball girls. Now ball boys and ball girls. Now ball assistants. So theyre ball assistants and the ball assistants and the ball assistants have assistants will have cones behind with about eight behind them with about eight balls them. The fourth balls behind them. The fourth official will also have honestly , theres going be balls , theres going to be balls everywhere. Should ball everywhere. So should the ball go everywhere. So should the ball 90 play, everywhere. So should the ball go play, theres the ball go out of play, theres the ball back. Well, there go. Back. Well, there you go. Was messing about in a if i was messing about in a ball for every member of the crowd have one as well. Crowd will have one as well. This the ball in. So this throw the ball in. Absolutely. Chuck them all in. Should mention Harry Maguire . We should mention harry. Transfer action. Transfer action. Yeah. Harry maguire at Manchester United. Out of favour at been at Manchester United has been for so harry for quite some time. So Harry Maguire, looks pretty much maguire, it looks pretty much a done going to be done deal. Hes going to be going ham. So £30 going to west ham. So for £30 million. So expect that to happen today. And also james ward prowse, is a terrific ward prowse, who is a terrific midfielder, plays for southampton. Hes going to be southampton. Hes going to be doing the trip as well. Doing the same trip as well. Hes from southampton to hes going from southampton to west hes a player west ham, too. Hes a player whos worth having because hes such a brilliant dead ball specialist. In other words, scoring free kicks. Hes so good. I just think its worth having him in your team if he does nothing throughout the whole game a good player, so game and hes a good player, so we would more. Its almost we would do more. Its almost its like having penalty every its like having a penalty every time a free kick. So time he gets a free kick. So its very signing for its a very good signing for west although theyre west ham, although theyre talking paqueta, who talking about luis paqueta, who is their attacking midfielder from chance is their attacking midfielder from he chance is their attacking midfielder from he be chance is their attacking midfielder from he be going chance is their attacking midfielder fromhe be going tonnce that he could be going to Manchester City because theyre sniffing around him at the moment. Theres as well. Moment. So theres that as well. The world cup. Yes. Now were not playing again till saturday, saturday, saturday morning , saturday, saturday morning, 1130. Ill tell you what its been. I 1130. Ill tell you what its been. I think its been a bit lacklustre from england. I mean, weve got weve weve got through weve got through the last eight, which is great. Its not been the great. However its not been the strongest performance. Think we need i dont think we need to worry about this because. No, i really dont. Because going back on go back on history and we could go back as far as 66, we can talk about italia 90. Its all about momentum. So when you have teams that often start very quietly not making too much fuss, it builds. So im fairly confident that were going to do okay. I mean, the lionesses, i mean, were obviously going to be one of the favourites. Now youve got usa out, you know the got the usa out, you know the problems with sweden are problems with them. Sweden are going playing. Theyve got going to be playing. Theyve got japan winner. Japan who are a former winner. So tomorrow, spain and so thats tomorrow, spain and the so slowly you the netherlands. So slowly you dont to it. So its dont want to go to it. So its just a little build a little bit. Lauren getting sent bit. Lauren james getting sent off, of course, was was a disaster for us. But its just a slow build. Colombia we should be thats that was my okay. Thats that was my question be where question was going to be where do stand versus colombia. Do we stand versus colombia. But what my predictions have always particularly always been particularly terrible, though, havent they . But should be. But we should we should be. I really confident with that. Really am confident with that. You a little you i just think a little better, a little better. One other since been other sport now, since ive been in america, the last couple of weeks obviously its lot weeks and obviously its a lot of reconnaissance a lot of of reconnaissance and a lot of research been doing research which ive been doing onto know that. And onto my work, you know that. And i was watching actually in a bar doing research again. And, you doing research again. And, you know, you get on in bars, you get tvs back in the day, show videos and a lot of american sport there they show sport on there show they show a lot baseball. And was lot of baseball. And there was another sport that i found very interesting, professional pillow fighting. This was actually on fighting. This was actually on tv. Weve got i think tv. I think weve got i think have any any any clips or have we got any any any clips or pictures dont think pictures of this . I dont think it probably leave too much to imagination. There it is. Theres the swinging the theres the swinging of the pillow. Because know the pillow. Because i know with the anthony weve had Anthony Joshua fight, weve had problems with drug testing. I think theyll be drug think theyll probably be drug tested for night maybe in tested for night owl, maybe in that been saving that situation. Ive been saving that situation. Ive been saving that but anyway, there we that one. But anyway, there we are, the swinging of the pillow. And does very dangerous. And it does get very dangerous. Its profession organisation its a profession organisation they call it the was it the pfa now the professional fighting, the pillow fighting association. So i just like to be just get on just making sure i know whats going on. So should it all of a sudden take off. Well be all over that. Well be all over that. What do you think. Oh yeah. Well i say use a temper pillow. Thats a weighty pillow. Whats that like a temper mattress . You can get temper memory foam. Theyre heavy. Also. Theyre quite heavy. Also. Theyre quite heavy. Heavy. Also. Theyre quite heavy. See heavy. Also. Theyre quite heavy. See that . Eavy. See that . See that . Flawesome . Flawesome . I think that would be fight you pillow then . You in a pillow fight, then . Well, heavyweight so well, heavyweight fighting. So the would have the heavyweights would have the temper the temper and probably the lightweights , little lightweights a little, little thin little pillow, little thin little pillow, a little lighter there. Lighter down there. Just a little its very little tap. But its very dangerous. Little tap. But its very dangerous. It sounds fun, but it can very , very dangerous. Can get very, very dangerous. I dont going to i dont think its going to catch on. I dont. But i could i could probably watch that key match in the corner pillow the eye, corner of a pillow in the eye, though, it. A lot of though, whipped it. A lot of technique. I know. Just having a little look im just having a little look at it. Yeah. There you go. Yeah. There you go. Are. Thats the there we are. Thats the future of sport. I love it. Paul, as always, thank you very much. Now with us. Lots more now stay with us. Lots more still to including are you still to come, including are you a someone whos given a guppy or someone whos given up property . Tell its 634. Good morning to you. Lets have a look at some of the newspapers this morning. Lets start with the daily mail, shall we . Its leading with the good news that four of britains biggest lenders cut rates loans. Rates on home loans. Says up to the telegraph says up to a third of the pms cabinet wants him to put leaving the European Convention at convention of human rights at the centre of the next general Election Campaign. Election campaign. The guardian is reporting many students who affected many students who were affected by pandemic now being by the pandemic are now being forced at home to forced to live at home due to the living crisis. The cost of living crisis. Mirror says more bullying the mirror says more bullying claims have been made over the Work Environment at itv. Mps have been told there was a toxic culture of harassment and discrimination in. And heres the times its leading with the call from the metropolitan police. Chief constables , as they want more constables, as they want more power to sack officers who are unfit to serve. The mets commissioner, sir mark rowley , commissioner, sir mark rowley, says this was held back by reform delays. Okay, lets go through some of those then with political consultant emma burnell the consultant emma burnell and the Deputy Editor of the spectator, freddie morning to freddie grey. Good morning to you. Good morning. Lets kick off with the times and lawyers are soft. Yeah , i mean, the times has yeah, i mean, the times has gone for quite a times headline theyre focusing on the lawyer part basically. Lee mark rowley part basically. Lee mark rowley is trying to turn the met around and i think we can all agree that thats something that definitely needs to happen and hes become increasingly frustrated because he doesnt have the power to sack officers who he feels are both failing or not fit for the culture that hes trying to create in the met to power because there has long been a sense and you can understand sort of why that the police shouldnt mark their own homework. And if you think about homework. And if you think about some the other cases that some of the other cases that weve been talking about recently , for example, man recently, for example, that man who that he his case who was found that he his case had been he would hes been wrongly charged with rape. Hed wrongly charged with rape. Hed beenin wrongly charged with rape. Hed been in prison for ten years longer than his sentence because he refused to say that hed done it. Again, was a case it. And that, again, was a case of the police marking their own homework. They hadnt given the proper information to the defence needed to do defence that theyd needed to do their properly. Can theirjob properly. So you can see why theres a sense that the police should mark their own police should not mark their own homework. Very few homework. But there are very few organisations the chief organisations in which the chief executive does not have a say over hiring and firing. And if you are in a position where your workforce has been found to have all these institute problems, it must be so frustrating to not have that power. Who must be so frustrating to not have that power. Who has that ultimate power . Then theres a separate body is largely separate body which is largely this is where the lawyers are soft comes in because its soft bit comes in because its a legal wrangling. And of course any employee has the right to representation and to, you know, you shouldnt be sacked summarily because that too, could be abused. So there has to be a system, but that system could be internal, it could be quicker, it could be speeded up. And what rowley is and this is what mark rowley is complaining about. Seems as strange yeah, it seems as strange situation in where the situation to be in where the police cant get rid of bad apples , which everyones been apples, which everyones been calling apples, which everyones been caliwell, and it taps into well, and it taps into something now something the tories are now trying to do quite a lot, which is power to chief is give more power to chief constables, give more power to police, Senior Police to police, Senior Police figures to take decisions to change the take Big Decisions to change the culture within their within their institutions. And its probably only a good thing. But its like a lot of tory things. Its something that theyve been in power for long theyve been in power for a long time. They been time. Why havent they been doing earlier . It because doing it earlier . Is it because people to trust people are starting to trust labour more on law and order, which is traditionally a tory strong possibly, and strong suit, quite possibly, and freddie staying with you the freddie staying with you and the telegraph leading with the story weve discussing weve been discussing this morning, a third of we morning, about a third of we believe, members of the cabinet calling minister to calling on the Prime Minister to ditch membership european ditch membership of the European Convention rights. Convention on human rights. Well, yeah, is another well, yeah, this is another lawyers soft story. I think , lawyers a soft story. I think, which is that actually we can talk about, you know, barges , talk about, you know, barges, having people on barges , you having people on barges, you know, hotels is how we solve the refugee crisis. The Asylum Seeker crisis that we have in this country. And it boils down to a very big a problem, which is that its actually very difficult to deport people, even if you take the decision to deport them, there will be legal checks and so the end, checks on it. And so in the end, about 76, 80 of cases appeals are won and Asylum Seekers get asylum. That means that we are a magnet for Asylum Seekers. Its a good thing. It means that a good thing. It means that britain is a kind country. A good thing. It means that britain is a kind country. We britain is a kind country. We all agree on that. But at some stage this problem has to be addressed and theres a lot of people in the tory party including, according to the telegraph, a third of the cabinet who think that this cannot be done without pulling out of the European Convention on human rights. Out of the European Convention on emma rights. Out of the European Convention on emma well, s. Out of the European Convention on emma well, there are two emma well, there are two countries that are not in europe who are not members of the echr belarus and russia. Is that a club we really want to join . I mean, its not a for reason staying in it, though. Its not a reason for staying in it. But there are reason those two countries with incredibly nasty, repressive human rights , nasty, repressive human rights, abusive regimes are not members of it. And that is a worry to me. There are lots of ways that we could and should be dealing with the increases in migration, but again, also we are not alone in europe in having this. We always think that that that were getting more than anybody else. Thats just not true. Else. Thats just not true. Statistically, its absolutely not true. There are people coming through europe to us. There people going and there are people going and staying in other of europe staying in other parts of europe. Um, where i think that this is a political headache is that if one third of the cabinet want this , that means two thirds this, that means two thirds dont. And probably about half of those. So one third of the of those. So one third of the cabinet and one third of the tory party will be really staunchly against this. And what you dont want to do is go into an Election Year with something thats going to divide your party quite so passionately. You need to have everyone singing from the same hymn sheet at this point, right . But dont we need to yeah. But dont we need to look at it . I mean, stephens been i dont know if been in touch. I dont know if hes right or not. He says its not leaving the echr. Not not leaving the echr. Its not a slippery weve had better slippery slope. Weve had better human rights laws uk for human rights laws in the uk for centuries. The judge in strasbourg decision on strasbourg made his decision on political , lawful political grounds, not lawful grounds. Grounds. Well, yes. I mean, i think that, you know, the echr is 1951. Was it . I that, you know, the echr is 1951. Was it . I think it was 1951. Was it . I think it was 1951. It was it was speaking to a world that was very different to the world were in now. The global migration flows are very, very different. And i think they were feeling and youre quite right to point out that only russia and belarus are not part of but a lot of of it. But theres a lot of european leaders. Maloney and italy. In france as well. Italy. Macron in france as well. Do to talk about do are starting to talk about migration suggesting that migration and suggesting that the current legislation, Current International laws, are very restrictive. When it comes to deaung restrictive. When it comes to dealing with this. And i dont think were in a situation where britain is suddenly going to start being unbelievably cruel towards people who are desperate in the world. And there are a lot of very desperate people in the world. Dont think were the world. I dont think were suddenly to become a suddenly going to become a country people country that lets people drown trying to get to us wherever we can. Thats happening. Its happening. We have this crisis. We have this global Immigration Crisis and Current International legislation is not helping us deal with it. And i think a lot deal with it. And i think a lot of leaders are doing it. And i think rishi sunak actually has quite a Good Opportunity to be to take, you know, to be at the forefront of saying need to forefront of saying we need to revise reframe revise these reframe International Legislation on this, doesnt need to make us some international some sort of international pariah. No if we do that, if his illegal migration bill had worked he intended, it gives worked as he intended, it gives ministers this power to overrule these pyjama injunctions, as theyre called, these section 39, which allow these duty lawyers at the last minute to prevent these deportation flights, for example , so that we flights, for example, so that we shouldnt need to leave the echr. If that is in place, surely. If that is in place, surely. Well, thats number tens hope, but i think a lot of tories are saying actually, look, you know, we can we can say that the legal migration bill will get us round this, but at the moment it isnt. And there seems to be too many obstacles to it to make us do it. So, so its a sort of Nuclear Option a way that Nuclear Option in a way that i think an increase a lot think an increase hinckley a lot of tories are thinking theyre to going have to but also to going have to take, but also dont, confuse our refugee dont, dont confuse our refugee obligations, is the obligations, which is the International Convention on refugees and asylum with the human rights, which protect our human rights in the uk. You know, we need to be really conscious of what wed be giving up if we if we just said, oh, lets leave it with nothing to talk about. There are there are conversations that were going to need to have because this century is going to see a lot more migration patterns and a lot very changed ones because of things Climate Change. Of things like Climate Change. So lets absolutely have those conversations about how we manage that. Lets have them manage that. But lets have them internationally. What would we be up . Well, wed be be giving up . Well, wed be giving protection of our giving up protection of our human and unless we put human rights and unless we put something in our own laws and theres thats not the theres no thats not the conversation that were having theres no thats not the co the sation that were having theres no thats not the co the moment,|t were having theres no thats not the co the moment,|t w doe having theres no thats not the co the moment,|t w do have ng theres no thats not the co the moment,|t w do have that at the moment, we do have that largely through having largely protected through having the echr and that again, is grandfathered our laws. But grandfathered into our laws. But theres guarantee it would theres no guarantee it would stay that way. Doke. Okey doke. Okey doke. Right. Well, wed have to. We could put that in as a caveat fully but to try and fully, but i want to try and squeeze some other stories. Lets have a look at the cost of living. Emma in the guardian this morning, looking the this morning, looking at the covid students covid generation of students forced of live home. Forced to sort of live at home. Yeah, third of so, yeah, one third of students are staying at home. This was a trend that was already happening, but it seems to have been massively increased. These are kids whove. And these are kids whove already been battered through doing their through doing their a levels, through covid, gcses , covid, doing their gcses, through covid. So why staying at so why are they staying at home because you think home then . Because you think thered be more desperate to leave . Absolutely. Leave . Well, absolutely. Not that theyre and im not sure that theyre not desperate to leave. They just afford to leave with just cant afford to leave with so are finding that so many people are finding that people are staying well people are staying at home well into their 20s when it used to be the tradition you left at 18, either to get a job or to go and study. One of the reasons that ive always been so passionate about having university opened up people as possible up to as many people as possible is always been that is because its always been that great sort of Halfway House between leaving home and in a quite a safe and managed way, discovering yourself. And that to me should always have been open to as many people as possible, no matter what your class background. But i just theres so many people are staying at home longer and longer and longer , unable to longer and longer, unable to just afford the basics. Its pretty common, isnt it , in europe for people to do that . I think of friends in holland where all of them were living at home whilst they were doing their degrees and were talking guppies as well. Talking about guppies as well. In people who in a minute. These people who have the idea of home have given up the idea of Home Ownership again, ownership under 40 and again, thats pretty much the standard on continent, isnt it . On the continent, isnt it . People more familiar with people are more familiar with with renting. If were with renting. I wonder if were just of our identities just sort of our identities changing in a way not changing in a way were not necessarily travelling away for university to own a university or hoping to own a home future . Home in the future . Yes, i think britain is unique in that youre seen as a bit or you often were seen as a bit or you often were seen as a bit odd if you were living at for home too long on the continent. Its different, but the the guppies is a the rise of the guppies is a problem youre getting problem in that youre getting people are getting stage people now who are getting stage in their lives where they want to families themselves and to have families themselves and properties arent Big Properties that arent big enough that to have enormous families living with each other. But then, you know, maybe we do need to revise the way we think about these things and maybe maybe living home until maybe living at home until youre 30 the norm. Im youre 28, 30 is the norm. Im not sure id like to have done that. How many kids . Much as i love my parents, i love my mum and dad to bits and pieces, wed all have killed each other. Yeah. Yeah. Literally bits and pieces. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Lets have just a quick look at this. In the in the mirror this morning. Freddie, another set of bullying claims. Itv yeah. Theres another one of these tv bullying scandals that youre just such a happy ship at gb news that i dont think we need to dwell on it. No worries. I think the story here is that Phillip Schofield had dinner with Vanessa Feltz , and this with Vanessa Feltz, and this seems be of great interest to seems to be of great interest to people at and the mirror have turned this story into a bullying story about itv. Theres lots of claims of bullying at this morning. Again we dont have the precise allegations. Its obviously has allegations. Its obviously has been a very unhappy ship at. And i just wonder if every few weeks were going to be talking about a kind of tv scandal story. I dont know. You guys are the dont know. You guys are the experts. Tell me what you think. I just think its august. I just think its august. And thats why you talk about Phillip Schofield. Phillip schofield. Theyve got two tv stars on the front of the mirror this morning. You think there morning. And you think there mustnt knocking mustnt be an awful lot knocking about today . He had they had dinner in chiswick. Chiswick. So its like chiswick. So its not like hes falling out of a zone. One nightclub. You just think, look, guy did some think, okay, look, guy did some stuff that was wrong. And i get it. And i think hes been punished, but its like he punished, but its not like he should be walking through the streets with someone ringing a bell saying, shame after him everywhere you everywhere he goes, you know, let him dinner in chiswick. Let him have dinner in chiswick. Yeah yeah. We go. There we go. There we go. But its i do think a lot of these stars bring it on themselves , you know . In what themselves, you know . In what way . Ill tell you what really wound me up is vanessa. I mean, god love her. Vanessa feltz has been the wringer been through the wringer recently , but did. She was recently, but she did. She was promoting an article, she was written she did something on written and she did something on instagram that i saw. And it was all and you wont believe all about and you wont believe how ive had from how much support ive had from my friends and this my celebrity friends and this celebrity rang me and this celebrity rang me and this celebrity rang, who cares celebrity rang, oh, who cares about friends . About your celebrity friends . What friends . About your celebrity friends . What vanessa. Friends . Yeah. Vanessa. Yeah , yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. But its all just about selling. Yeah, its about selling. Yeah, its about selling. Yeah, its about selling its all pr and selling a story. Its all pr and in the way that everybody now is a sort of broad caster. And of course, you know who was saying that to me just the other day . Stephen . It was steven scorsese. But its stuff like that. Oh, come on, vanessa. Youve had a really rough time, but we dont care which celebrities have messaged you. What about your real looking real friends . Youre looking after and worries you if well, and what worries you if you to do that, are you have to do that, where are you have to do that, where are you real friends . Well, yeah, that is a worry, right, freddie and emma are real friends. We will see more from both of them after 7 30. But for them just after 7 30. But for now, were reflect now, were going to reflect actually some the views that now, were going to reflect actuabeen� me the views that now, were going to reflect actua been coming 1e views that now, were going to reflect actua been coming in views that now, were going to reflect actua been coming in this s that now, were going to reflect actuabeen coming in this morning have been coming in this morning discussing as we have discussing the echr as we have this morning. Sean from bridlington about bridlington talking about lee anderson. Said 100 anderson. He said hes100 right. Ill continued membership of the echr is more pernicious than its frustrating of than purely its frustrating of the rwanda policy. Its not just the rwanda policy. Its not just the ecr thats the problem. It was tony blair enshrining it into uk law that needs reversing first. Now very interesting point. Keep your thoughts coming through. Gb views news dot through. Gb views gb news dot com. Now have you given up on your plans of owning your own home . Were asking because a study has revealed that for in ten of us under 40 have abandoned the dream of getting onto the property ladder. Well, here to tell us why is the chief executive of general rent, ben twomey . And it is rent, ben twomey . And it is tough out there, isnt it . If tough out there, isnt it . If you want to try and own your own home, incredibly tough. You want to try and own your own horand incredibly tough. You want to try and own your own horand we ncredibly tough. You want to try and own your own horand we haveibly tough. You want to try and own your own horand we have toy tough. You want to try and own your own horand we have to comeh. You want to try and own your own horand we have to come up with and we have to come up with new names to mask the new cute names to mask the reality peoples you reality in peoples lives. You know, peoples homes. Know, these are peoples homes. Were talking about. Its the foundation your life of foundation of your your life of how live a productive how you can live a productive and fulfilled and people and fulfilled life. And people are and more are spending more and more years decades in the years even decades in the rented that that rented sector. Now that that would you got the would be fine if you got the same that people want would be fine if you got the samehome that people want would be fine if you got the same Home Ownership. Le want would be fine if you got the sameHome Ownership. If want would be fine if you got the sameHome Ownership. If yout would be fine if you got the sameHome Ownership. If you had from Home Ownership. If you had a security , if you had a sense of security, if you had a sense of security, if you had a quality home it was a quality home and it was affordable well. But really, affordable as well. But really, thats just not the case at the moment. But are we overthinking it because were british and we you know, idea of know, we have this idea of owning home, which owning our own home, which isabel was saying before, you know, the continent doesnt know, on the continent doesnt just doesnt the same just doesnt exist in the same way really wouldnt say its way i really wouldnt say its overthinking way i really wouldnt say its overtthink|g way i really wouldnt say its overtthink its fairly i think its fairly straightforward. This the straightforward. This is the promise that many governments have is that theyre going have made is that theyre going to enable to follow that to enable people to follow that dream having their own home, dream of having their own home, make reality, not just make it into a reality, not just a dream. But beyond that, as i say, the rented sector, that say, in the rented sector, that would be fine if it was an attractive offer. Its not really a choice right now. People have in the people have to stay in the rented because they cant rented sector because they cant afford deposit. They afford to get a deposit. They cant to go into home cant afford to go into Home Ownership. Drives down ownership. That drives down quality theyre quality because theyre forced into dont have any into it and they dont have any other choices. Of this was i know some of this was i know some of was driven by know some of this was driven by the subprime mortgage market. And the deposits went up as a and as the deposits went up as a result and all the rest of it. But price is it just the but the price is it just the price homes, which is price of homes, which is actually biggest problem price of homes, which is actutbecause iggest problem price of homes, which is actutbecause theresproblem price of homes, which is actutbecause theres so blem price of homes, which is actutbecause theres so many here because theres so many multiples of our salary now. Its complex picture, but its a complex picture, but the combination price the combination of the price of homes gone up by homes which have gone up by about in the last ten years. About 72 in the last ten years. So an enormous increase. And youve deposit youve got to get that deposit together with the together to couple that with the fact rents are soaring to fact that rents are soaring to their highest levels, that theres ever been. How earth their highest levels, that theryouever been. How earth their highest levels, that theryou save een. How earth their highest levels, that theryou save to n. How earth their highest levels, that theryou save to get ow earth their highest levels, that theryou save to get ow deposit can you save to get that deposit if you are renting at the moment it feels to renters pushing if you are renting at the moment it boulder to renters pushing if you are renting at the moment it boulder upo renters pushing if you are renting at the moment it boulder up a renters pushing if you are renting at the moment it boulder up a hillars pushing if you are renting at the moment it boulder up a hill thatushing if you are renting at the moment it boulder up a hill that keeps a boulder up a hill that keeps getting steeper and steeper. So whats the answer all so whats the answer to all of then . It just a thing of this then . Is it just a thing of this then . Is it just a thing of the past . Perhaps then people under 40 getting a property . Theres no this is a fairly new phenomenon. Weve come up with new word for it. Its with a new word for it. Its clearly something that isnt doesnt be the case. Doesnt have to be the case. Nowhere that we nowhere is it written that we have in this situation. Have to be in this situation. Theres a housing crisis that requires order requires urgent action in order to youve got to build to do that, youve got to build more youve to build more homes. Youve got to build more homes. Youve got to build more affordable more particularly Affordable Homes homes that homes and social homes that will enable to either into enable people to either get into Home Ownership. Enable people to either get into horyes,nnership. Enable people to either get into horyes, toership. Enable people to either get into horyes, toersiat the moment. Yes, to be at the moment. Well, thats the thing. This a lot. Thats the thing. If we talk about guppies, you know, giving up its governments up on property, its governments that up property. That have given up on property. Its that havent its governments that havent built that built enough homes for that democracy, isnt it . Of certainly if you and a lot of certainly if you talk hell say talk to michael gove, hell say hes desperate to build more houses. But the constituents in many own partys, you many of his own partys, you know, seats just simply dont want homes built there. Yeah, well, were getting into situation for into a situation now where for some particularly some renters, so particularly thinking workers who thinking about key workers who of a couple years of course just a couple of years ago everyone was clapping on their those people on their doorsteps, those people on their doorsteps, those people on their are their median salaries are struggling stay in struggling to afford to stay in certain or certain certain towns or certain boroughs of their city. And thats a major problem because its going that people its going to mean that people who working in our schools, who are working in our schools, who are working in our schools, who are working in our shops, our workers are having our postal workers are having to move area. Whos move out of the area. Whos going do those jobs . Theres going to do those jobs . Theres a making sure that a real case for making sure that there building places. But there is building in places. But government needs to be pushing it theres national it because theres a national crisis. Down crisis. They cant just be down to local areas to come up with the solutions. I mean, there is actually a huge for renters at huge problem just for renters at the there, because the moment, isnt there, because rents and a lot of rents are going up and a lot of thatis rents are going up and a lot of that is driven by the fact that landlords are getting rid of properties because they cant afford on afford the mortgage payments on them current them because the current economic like economic crisis, its like a vicious circle. Were yeah, were seeing an enormous kind of increase in the number of people who are being evicted through section 21 notices. Often happens when notices. That often happens when a landlord may be choosing to sell their property. Thats a major problem. Government major problem. The government promised rid of those promised to get rid of those evictions years ago. Were evictions for years ago. Were still the law to go still waiting for the law to go through change that. Still waiting for the law to go thr but change that. Still waiting for the law to go thr but in change that. Still waiting for the law to go thr but in termsje that. Still waiting for the law to go thr but in termsje � iiat. Still waiting for the law to go thr but in termsje � i mean, but in terms of i mean, sorry, forgive me, how sorry, forgive me, but how can you youve to also have an you youve got to also have an eye on what landlord is eye on on what the landlord is doing and in their favour , if doing and in their favour, if you like. How can you have a situation where no tenant can be evicted . Where no tenant can be evicted . Were not looking for that situation. There can be grounds for eviction. So to reclaim the property and that is in the current renters reform bill, which is going through parliament at the moment. Section housing section 21 of the housing act, 1988, that basically a no 1988, that is basically a no fault so its fault eviction. So its arbitrary that landlord can do that they want. Were that whenever they want. Were talking in talking about people staying in rented for decades rented properties for decades now. If we saying that now. So if we are saying that the has changed for the situation has changed for people, be in a people, we need to be in a situation where they can feel secure for their own home, secure for in their own home, they kicked out within they cant be kicked out within eight drop of a hat. And do you think this is going to be a big issue at the election next year . And if so, do you think any of the parties have woken up to how big a deal this is for Younger Voters . I think this is going to be a huge issue, and its testament to journalists like to media and journalists like yourselves having us on this show about this issue. Show to talk about this issue. Its clearly agenda its clearly high on the agenda for people. In the cost of for people. Were in the cost of living crisis. Many are living crisis. Many people are saying is going to be saying this is going to be a cost of living election. Its a cost of living election. Its a cost renting crisis within cost of renting crisis within that. So any party that doesnt address that is really missing a trick. Million trick. And theres 13 million renters renting renters in the uk renting privately. Those are privately. Those people are going to have a vote at the next election. But what we are seeing then presumably with your solutions of know, of saying, well, you know, youve to more houses youve got to build more houses and affordable, and make things more affordable, well, that happens well, none of that happens quickly. Those people who quickly. So for those people who are renting struggling, desperate get now, desperate to get out now, theres actually theres theres no actually theres no light of the tunnel light at the end of the tunnel yet. Yeah. Em em yet. Yeah. One of the things yeah. So one of the things that would be really helpful for that would be really helpful for that as i say, that choice, as i say, is stopping the arbitrary evictions. Thats something where interest where when mortgage Interest Rates government rates did rise, the government was in and was very quick to step in and say going to stop say theyre going to stop repossessions. Theyre going repossessions. So theyre going to give a grace period for repossessions. Nothing like the same youre same action for renters. Youre also at the building also looking at the building of houses, but theres houses, as i say, but theres also houses that exist if landlords selling up, landlords are selling up, the bncks landlords are selling up, the bricks and mortar doesnt just sink into the ground. Know, sink into the ground. You know, government, sink into the ground. You know, goverrbeznt, sink into the ground. You know, goverrbe buying up these could be buying up these properties, making them available renters well, available for renters as well, making not making sure that youre not losing you. Losing supply to you. Someones watching if someones watching this, then feeling hopeless then they are feeling hopeless about prospect getting about their prospect of getting the something that they about their prospect of getting the call something that they about their prospect of getting the call their� mething that they about their prospect of getting the call their own1ing that they about their prospect of getting the call their own isg that they about their prospect of getting the call their own is there they can call their own is there anything that they can do or is this simply a that is out this simply a matter that is out of . Of their hands . Everyone has to make choices in what can do. Sadly, that in what they can do. Sadly, that means that some people have to consider moving out of the area they up in or they may have grown up in or where work, further where they work, moving further away, like away, downsizing choices like that ask everyone to that. So id id ask everyone to probably consider what they can do the moment. The hope do at the moment. The hope really to come really needs to come from government to to government to take to take action also were action on this. But also were trying build that voice. As trying to build that voice. As you say, the general election is coming were generation coming up. Were generation rents, thats rents, an organisation thats also movement of also building a movement of renters that trying to be renters that are trying to be heard, sure that people heard, making sure that people know this isnt good enough know that this isnt good enough , the way that , this isnt just the way that things were things change, so that were left insecure, unaffordable, left in insecure, unaffordable, low quality accommodation. This needs have action needs to needs to have action now. Look, weve got to now. Okay look, weve got to leave it there. Um, unfortunately, because theres loads more could have theres loads more we could have asked on that about section asked you on that about section eight and all sorts of stuff, which up. Ben to me. Which is coming up. Ben to me. Good see good to see you. Yeah, thanks very indeed i if youre a renter, get in touch. Vaiews gbnews. Com and if you want to know what the weather is up to today, lets tune now to Greg Dewhurst. Tune in now to Greg Dewhurst. Looks like things are heating up. Boxed boilers, proud sponsors of weather on. Gb news. Sponsors of weather on. Gb news. Hello there. Im greg hello there. Im Greg Dewhurst and welcome to your latest gb news Weather Forecast for the day ahead. Its looking fine and dry for many, plenty of sunny spells feeling much warmer than it has done for many weeks now this morning. Yes there now and this morning. Yes there is little bit of cloud is a little bit of low cloud initially, but should lift initially, but this should lift and and most places having and break and most places having and break and most places having a ahead. Plenty of blue a fine day ahead. Plenty of blue skies. The cloud will come skies. Yes, the cloud will come and go at times across Northern England, scotland, and england, parts of scotland, and then across some then well thicken across some western later on, perhaps western parts later on, perhaps an afternoon shower developing over parts wales, northern over parts of wales, Northern Ireland. But most dry. Ireland. But most places dry. And temperatures reaching and those temperatures reaching the mid to high 20s, 28 or 29 celsius possible towards the south east this afternoon. Weve not seen those temperatures for quite some time. Into the evening, though. We do see evening, though. We do see a weather front moving into the west and this will give some rain Northern Ireland rain to Northern Ireland and then wales, western then parts of wales, western scotland, england, scotland, southwest england, slowly pushing north and slowly pushing its way north and eastwards night. Eastwards through the night. Some rain be heavy some of this rain could be heavy at particularly across at times, particularly across scotland , very little in the scotland, very little in the south. Another warm , muggy south. And another warm, muggy night temperatures night to come. Temperatures minimum around 17 or 18 degrees. So a bit of a cloudier start to friday. There will be some bright or sunny spells. Rain, though, across Northern England and scotland pushing and scotland this pushing out the then it will be the way. And then it will be a day sunny spells and gb news. Good morning. 7 00 on thursday, the 10th of august. Today, a second data breach in Northern Ireland. Now the chief constable is under fire over concerns Police Officers have been put in danger should ditching the European Convention on human rights be at the heart of the tories re Election Campaign . Campaign . Thats what some members of the cabinet are demanding of the pm. But could it solve the Immigration Crisis . Were asking is breast best . This is after a lady was told to stop breastfeeding her baby on a flight in case it offended people. People. And well bring you your latest forecast. Its going to be sunny. Be sunny. Hello. Well see. Temperatures rising through the course of the day today. Find out exactly how high later on in the program. With me , out exactly how high later on in the program. With me , im Isabel Webster. Im stephen dixon. Good morning. This is breakfast on gb news. News. Okay, to our top story this morning and the Police Federation for Northern Ireland says urgent answers are required after details emerged of a second major data leak containing the names of more than 200 serving officers and staff. Staff. It comes after the worst Security Breach in Northern Irish history, where the names and locations of the entire police force and civilian staff were put online for three hours. Lets find out more from our Northern Ireland reporter dougie beattie. Good morning to you, beattie. Good morning to you, dougie. And a lot of pressure building for head of building there for the head of the force in northern the police force in Northern Ireland. Ireland. There is indeed isabel. Most definitely. He will feel the pressure today. And of course that coming out last night of a further data breach that was a laptop stolen out of the back of a car in newtownabbey, which was reportedly to contain the details of 200 officers. Now, they will have already been named in the leak yesterday because that included every officer that was inside the psni. And it must be said , psni. And it must be said, civilians that work for the psni as well. You can only imagine what is going through some of these officers heads because they this threat here is that severe. Now the chief constable severe. Now the chief constable has cut his holidays short. He has cut his holidays short. He has arrived back in Northern Ireland last night and he will face politicians here today to just explain that to you in a better way, the policing service of Northern Ireland is set up after the good friday agreement that took over from the royal ulster constable. And basically what you have is the very what you have is at the very top, you have the policing board and policing board holds the and the policing board holds the chief constable to account, the chief constable to account, the chief constable to account, the chief constable then has an a management executive in rainham of very senior officers. And then on an equal basis almost with that is the policing federation, the unions, for want of a better way of explaining this, of the police force of Northern Ireland. And they represent rank and file. Now the chief constable here will arrive at the policing board at about 10 00 this morning. This is a meeting that has been called especially for the data breach on what has gone on. He will face politicians here today and those politicians could ask for a head on a plate very quickly. But being politicians , they but being politicians, they wont. They will ask for an investigation. That investigation. That investigation. That investigation will then look at the freedom of information act thatis the freedom of information act that is controlled by civilian inside the Police Service of Northern Ireland. But at some point in that scene there will be a command structure that is the psni and that is the head that will probably be most exposed at this particular moment. The chief con will say that hes launching that investigation. The politicians investigation. The politicians will more than likely want to hear the outcome of that investigation. But today , investigation. But today, unfortunately for that, chief constable , there is a scheduled constable, there is a scheduled Police Federation meeting this afternoon and many officers in Northern Ireland are not happy about how Disciplinary Procedures actually go on inside the police force. And they say the police force. And they say they take too long. Theres too many officers left hanging with us and they will want to see a swift and very swift end to the investigation that will go on here. So you can imagine that we wont see an outcome of this today. We wont know who will resign or who will go. But we resign or who will go. But we would imagine within the next few weeks we will see that because officers here will want to know that their security is being handled by people that they trust. The language coming out of the federation last night was one of dismay, anger , almost was one of dismay, anger, almost betrayal by the psni themselves to their members. And the chief to their members. And the chief constable has now got to fix that. And his management crew may have to be reshuffled. Okay dougie, thanks very much indeed i i i mean, the problem with all of this is people can resign all they want, but it doesnt change they want, but it doesnt change the situation for those people who have been affected by this, does it . Well, except many of those people find they end up people may find they end up wanting resign as well. And wanting to resign as well. And maybe to try and maybe even move house to try and protect family keep protect their family and keep themselves you themselves safe because, you know, were still living in the shadow all the troubles in shadow of all the troubles in northern lot of Northern Ireland. And a lot of people worried this morning. Yeah, if youre one of those and you want to get in touch gbviews gbnews. Com now prime gbviews gbnews. Com now the Prime Minister facing put minister is facing calls to put membership the european membership of the European Convention on human rights at the election the very heart of his Election Campaign. Campaign. Reportedly up to a third of the cabinet believe continued echr membership is preventing britain from protecting its own borders against ilLegal Immigration , with deportations immigration, with deportations to rwanda also hanging in the balance, lets talk to political analyst leon emirali, whos here in the studio. I mean, clearly this has got some momentum and you can understand why when you look at a lot of the views were getting this morning, people feel frustrated. We know frustrated. Yeah. And we know that immigration something that immigration is something that immigration is something that care deeply about. That immigration is something thatsomethingre deeply about. That immigration is something that something theyre. Y about. That immigration is something that something theyre gointh. That immigration is something that something theyre going to its something theyre going to base their voting on when it comes to the general election. So government, think, are so the government, i think, are wanting least be seen in wanting to at least be seen in as single thing they as doing every single thing they can to try and tackle ilLegal Immigration. And what the conservatives are desperate for is to find a wedge issue, something that they can put themselves in stark contrast with against labour and this appears to be one of those issues around the European Convention on human rights. And its really that its no surprise really that they are therefore making those noises, except could noises, except it could potentially be a issue potentially be a wedge issue within the conservative party itself. I mean, when youre talking about the cabinet having a split on difficult to on this, thats difficult to sell as an idea then, isnt it . Very much so. And, you know, there is this split still within there is this split still within the conservative party, particularly around issues around europe. And although we should say the echr had should say that the echr had nothing do with the european nothing to do with the European Union, that sort of union, but its that sort of sense an overarching sense of an overarching judiciary over the uks sovereignty and i think when those splits arise , it isnt those splits arise, it isnt good for any Party Heading into a general election. I think the country wants to see a party thatis country wants to see a party that is unified all singing from the same song sheet. And if the conservatives issues conservatives have these issues amongst themselves and theyre fighting behind closed doors and how going to bring that how are they going to bring that fight to the public when it comes against labour . Except youre and rightly so, i youre saying, and rightly so, i mean, obvious that youre saying, and rightly so, i m is n, obvious that youre saying, and rightly so, i m is a obvious that youre saying, and rightly so, i m is a voting obvious that youre saying, and rightly so, i mis a voting issue ivious that youre saying, and rightly so, i mis a voting issue nows that youre saying, and rightly so, i mis a voting issue now , that youre saying, and rightly so, i mis a voting issue now , if at youre saying, and rightly so, i mis a voting issue now , if the it is a voting issue now, if the conservatives are saying, well, you know , weve got these things you know, weve got these things which we may be able to do, which we may be able to do, which could change the situation, you stack that up against labour , for example, against labour, for example, which who arent saying a great deal apart from well wed probably keep the barges. Yeah well thats a strategy. Stephen that labour are implementing because are so implementing because they are so far ahead in the polls. What theyre trying do is keep theyre trying to do is keep their dry and make their powder dry and make sure they anything up. As they dont mess anything up. As we to the general we get closer to the general election. Think its election. So i dont think its a real surprise that labour are keeping quiet, being quite ambiguous they ambiguous on this because they dont to say anything dont want to say anything thats to alienate thats going to alienate potential but the potential voters. But for the conservatives in conservatives who are behind in the to win back the polls, they need to win back the polls, they need to win back the rights of the country the rights of the of the country who perhaps a little bit who are perhaps a little bit alienated by sunak. And alienated by rishi sunak. And they also need to win the centre. And if they cant get those two coalitions board, centre. And if they cant get thogoing coalitions board, centre. And if they cant get thogoing to alitions board, centre. And if they cant get thogoing to be ions board, centre. And if they cant get thogoing to be ions difficulti, its going to be very difficult for them to win the election. Leon youve been inside downing and adviser right downing street and adviser right at heart of government. At the heart of government. If you there i you were in there advising, i get sense youd probably get the sense youd probably urge this urge caution on this and say that you think its a good that you dont think its a good idea to pull out of the echr, but what would you say then to somebody in cabinet whos somebody in the cabinet whos saying, on minute, saying, well, hang on a minute, this was created this is outdated. It was created to very different backdrop. To a very different backdrop. The that its only the the argument that its only the likes and russia that likes of belarus and russia that have outis likes of belarus and russia that have out is frankly have pulled out is frankly misleading and actually, we could a responsible could do this in a responsible way, a way that was british way, in a way that was british and it falls back on its own and has it falls back on its own human record. Human rights record. Thats well, we could thats certainly an argument and its a valid argument, isabel. But i think when look at the echr, think when you look at the echr, what underpin is its what it underpin is its effectively protect effectively there to protect citizens government, citizens from their government, to the to protect citizens from the state dont those exist in state and i dont those exist in this country separately. They do and they absolutely do. Then this country separately. They do and have absolutely do. Then this country separately. They do and have to solutely do. Then this country separately. They do and have to say, ely do. Then this country separately. They do and have to say, well, . Then this country separately. They do and have to say, well, what then this country separately. They do and have to say, well, what if1en you have to say, well, what if there a Prime Minister . There was a Prime Minister . Lets say like jeremy or lets say like Jeremy Corbyn or someone whos the extreme of someone whos on the extreme of a of a political a fringe of a political spectrum, they change those spectrum, they can change those rules that rules overnight without that overarching the overarching judiciary of the echr. Its a safeguard echr. So its a safeguard and its protection. Think its a protection. And i think although be popular to although it might be popular to tackle this particular issue of although it might be popular to tacirwanda articular issue of although it might be popular to tacirwanda flights ar issue of although it might be popular to tacirwanda flights ar iszillegal the rwanda flights and ilLegal Immigration, so many immigration, there are so many other the echr touches, other aspects the echr touches, and i think there could be some unintended consequences. Unintended consequences. Then youve got to yeah, but then youve got to be in a position to say the echr if you if youre not to going pull of you need to pull out of it, you need to reform to such a that it reform it to such a way that it isnt frustrating the political will of a nation. And might will of a nation. And that might happen think uk happen because i think the uk is not the only one thats got issues here with with in particular migration, also particular migration, but also other the so other areas of the echr. So there are other countries who may together may well club together with the uk why dont we reform uk and say, why dont we reform this thing . Dont we change this thing . Why dont we change this thing . Why dont we change this from within . From this thing from within . From within . I think that is within . And i think that is a far more prudent approach as opposed withdrawing opposed to simply withdrawing because dont like this because they dont like this particular thats stopping particular law thats stopping them these rwanda flights them from these rwanda flights happening. Them from these rwanda flights happenilastly , wasnt the just lastly, wasnt the ilLegal Immigration bill supposed be created to give supposed to be created to give ministers the powers to stop these so called pyjama injunction ins from strasbourg that would prevent such things as the deportations to rwanda . As the deportations to rwanda . Has that happened or not . I mean, im clear about why mean, im not clear about why that be used instead of that cant be used instead of scrapping echr. Well this is scrapping the echr. Well this is another because there another difficulty because there is a lot of blurred is there is a lot of blurred lines between domestic policy and the european and therefore the European Convention on human rights policy. So i what were looking so i think what were looking for why lot politicians for and why a lot of politicians are saying, dont we just are saying, why dont we just withdraw our so withdraw altogether our so we have that clarity and we can say, well, actually, its this law, then law, this number. We can then get implementing our own get on with implementing our own policies. Theres great policies. But theres a great deal confusion, think, deal of confusion, i think, amongst not only the public, but also about exactly also politicians about exactly what has, has has a has what the echr has, has has a has a responsibility for. And i think this is a story thats going to rumble on and on. Well, i think john sums it up. Hes in saying up. Hes emailed in saying outside bubble, outside the london bubble, people especially in people are fuming, especially in the coastal towns. I think youre absolutely right. Its gonna be a wedge issue, isnt it, at the next election . Yeah, its interesting its an interesting its an interesting one. Its the sense of i think its the sense of frustration is what were getting from your emails getting through from your emails this actually not this morning that actually not enoughis this morning that actually not enough is being done on this. And so whats the next logical step or is it just as one of our guests was saying earlier on the Nuclear Option to pull out of the echr, let us know your thoughts this morning. Now, thoughts this morning. Now, a mum has accused the Holiday Company tui of discrimination after she was told not to breastfeed her six week old baby dunng breastfeed her six week old baby during a flights take off because she might make others feel uncomfortable. Feel uncomfortable. L 28 year old mum of two Chelsey Williams says she had to stop, breastfeed, doing so as not to make a scene, but was left feeling anxious as there are no such official restrictions in place. So were asking today is breast best . Well, joining us in the studio is the uks foremost social behaviour and etiquette expert, liz brewer. Good morning. Always lovely to see you, morning. Always lovely to see youand we also have jen culley, and we also have jen culley, a counsellor and a breastfeeding counsellor and birth whos in leamington birth doula whos in Leamington Spa royal Leamington Spa this morning and lets lets start , morning and lets lets start, jen, with you on this one. Should we if its making people feel uncomfortable, which presumably we this was , should presumably we this was, should that not be taken into account. At i think to be honest, i cant believe were still having these conversation sessions in 2023. If somebody feels uncomfortable when they see a mother for feeding their child , they can feeding their child, they can simply avert their eyes or look away. Its that simple rule and its actually its so well established that women rights are protected here in law. So are protected here in law. So the equality act 2010 makes it illegal for businesses or anyone really to discriminate against a woman feeding her baby in public. Woman feeding her baby in pubuc. So woman feeding her baby in public. So its really simple to me. And but i do get really me. And but i do get really upset every now and then. These stories raise their head again. And you do get people coming out saying, well , shouldnt people saying, well, shouldnt people just cover up and actually, no, they shouldnt. Its their right to feed their baby in public. Okay. Well, lets get the views then of liz, who is one of those who thinks that perhaps this mum would have done better to have covered up. Liz, how would you sort of square that with said that she with the mum who said that she felt distressed by all felt distressed and upset by all of well actually, i mean of this . Well actually, i mean my sympathies are really lying with her, but what what i find extraordinary is whats the difference between breastfeeding a baby on take off and during the flight . Its a bit like switching your phones to off me, its senseless and in this day and age, in actual fact, its against the law. I believe , to against the law. I believe, to tell somebody to stop breastfeeding in public as long as theyre doing it discreetly. As theyre doing it discreetly. And why should it really offend . Quite right. What what you said quite right. What what you said about averting your eyes, you know, there are many ways of breastfeeding without having to sort of i suppose there objecting to looking at their breasts. But nowadays you have a i think its called a nursing cloth, and you can do it quite discreetly. But the problem here lies , i think not so much with lies, i think not so much with the air stewardess , but with her the air stewardess, but with her employees , because i gather employees, because i gather theyve now looking into it. And theyve now looking into it. And they said , oh, it wasnt their they said, oh, it wasnt their policy. And indeed, the law says that that she cant tell somebody. Nobody can tell a woman in public to stop breastfeeding unless its in a dangerous area or its men only or whatever. So the whole thing or whatever. So the whole thing about this is, is actually its preposterous. The whole thing is preposterous. The whole thing is preposterous. And my sympathies lie with that young couple. And their little baby. So its interesting , jen, so its interesting, jen, i was just going to say, i mean, a lot of people its a bit of a fine line. I totally appreciate what you say about, you know, its a right. Its perfectly normal. And i have to say, look, from a personal point of view, i think its the most natural thing in the world. Therefore how can object it . How can you object to it . I dont get it. However, laras been touch and said, i dont been in touch and said, i dont have problem with have a problem with breastfeeding long its breastfeeding as long as its done discreetly. And thats the done discreetly. And thats the caveat. But i mean , you can caveat. But i mean, you can understand the perspective, but why should it have to be discreet when ever anybody starts a sentence with, i dont have a problem with, but it it means that they have a problem with it, doesnt it . So i just this, this idea that it should be done discreetly. I actually believe discreetly. I actually believe that when most women are breastfeeding and the vast majority of people will have no idea and i can share something. Idea and i can share something. So when my baby was really small, we were at a playgroup. I was holding them, i was breastfeeding them, but i was Walking Around and one of my friends actually went to take my baby off me to try and help me. And i said, no, no, stop. Theyre actually attached. So that was somebody right in front of me that didnt even realise my was attached. So my baby was attached. So firstly, i think women are generally discreet just because thats the way breastfeeding is. Its not its not a its like you said, its really natural and quite quick for most women. And yeah, just this idea that some people find that offensive , i honestly think that that is a reflection of something thats going on for them and maybe they need to kind of reflect and think, why is this bothering me . And because i should not be projecting my own issues onto this person who is feeding their baby. Liz as well also comes down to a question of a cost of living crisis. You know, here we are all struggling to make ends meet. We know how much formula milk costs and youre making it harder for a mum of a six week old to breastfeed child, old to breastfeed her child, which completely free. Its which is completely free. Its discouraging its you discouraging people. Its you know, its the absolutely wrong narrative to be putting out at a time this. Time like this. I totally agree. And also, i totally agree. And also, you express your milk and do you can express your milk and do it that way. Should you not want to do it in public yourself, but you know, with breastfeeding, its something i mean, im going back over 25 years with my daughter tallulah and having to fly to australia and back, which was in those days, you know, an over 30 hour flight. There was no way that i could not, you know, feed my baby. So i think know, feed my baby. So i think id be very interested to know the figures on the number of people who object to breastfeeding. Id be fascinated to know that. But going back , i to know that. But going back, i mean, the law is that a woman can breastfeed in public. Well, as i was just going to say, because weve had a few emails in about people whove had objection was made in the past and it would tend to be laced with perhaps some older gentleman. But in terms of the gentleman. But in terms of the whole etiquette of it, is this is this something we think of etiquette as being set in stone , in in a way, this is what you do and this is how you do it. This is something which has to change with time. Absolutely. And you use your common sense and aware are the people who may be sensitive. But again, if theyre older gentlemen , as you know, your gentlemen, as you know, your other purser said , you avert other purser said, you avert your eyes. You dont have to stare. You dont have to look at it. And it is its it is a natural way of feeding a baby. Natural way of feeding a baby. But i still go back to the fact that obviously this stewardess was obviously not aware of the real rules and regulations , and real rules and regulations, and its up to her employer. I gather they have apologised and are looking into the situation. They were they were challenged before the family flew back from holiday. And what exactly the Company Policy said they policy was. And tui said they dont have a formal policy, but they recommend avoiding it they recommend and avoiding it dunng they recommend and avoiding it during takeoff and landing in case makes people feel case it makes other people feel uncomfortable. But i return jen to point that never mind to the point that never mind about people about other people feeling uncomfortable. Six uncomfortable. If you have a six week old they need feeding week old baby, they need feeding at every three hours. At least every three hours. Surely that is fundamental surely that is the fundamental point not whether or not point here. Not whether or not someone whos totally someone else whos totally unrelated family or unrelated to that family or situation feels or doesnt feel. And also , whats it got to do and also, whats it got to do with taking off and landing . No, absolutely. So ridiculous absolutely. Whats so ridiculous when to feeding when you need to be feeding because it helps them to and it does, it helps doesnt it does, it helps them, doesnt it 7 does, it helps them, doesnt it . Swallowing they dont because otherwise they get tiring. So as adults, we know we can yawn, we can swallow, we can suck on a boiled sweet to help us equalise a baby doesnt know that. And the babies can get really distressed and Young Children on feeding a baby during takeoff and landing is an incredible way to help them feel comfortable. To help them feel comfortable. So mean. Whats what was the alternative . And i think this this mother shared this that when she stopped breastfeeding her baby because she was told to and she then felt, of course, really uncomfortable. The result was that her baby started crying. And what what is you know, the one thing that actually is probably more controversial than feeding a baby on a plane is when they are lying on the plane. Yeah. Yes. That would hurt even more people, wouldnt it . Weve got to leave it there. Liz brewer, giancola, really good to see you both. Thank you. Thank you very much indeed. Its one discussions where one of those discussions where common sense prevails. Say it is the natural thing on the planet. Yeah, and that was a little baby. So that baby needed feeding. I think, too. We may regret possibly their position in all of this and let us know if youve been affected. Similarly, in any sort of breastfeed ing situations, wed love hear you know, how love to hear from, you know, how you can be offended it. Its you can be offended by it. Its very strange. I dont understand it really is just most it really is just the most natural, wonderful thing. Yeah, right. Lets take a look at the forecast, we . A bit of a forecast, shall we . A bit of a change of tack here. And the good is sun has come good news is the sun has come out his Greg Dewhurst out to play his Greg Dewhurst that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers. Proud sponsors of weather on. Gb news. Hello there. Im Greg Dewhurst and welcome to your latest gb news Weather Forecast for the day ahead. Its looking for the day ahead. Its looking fine and dry for many , plenty of fine and dry for many, plenty of sunny spells, feeling much warmer than it has done for many weeks now. And this morning, yes, there a little bit yes, there is a little bit of low cloud initially, this low cloud initially, but this should lift and break. And most places a fine day ahead. Places having a fine day ahead. Plenty skies. Yes, the plenty of blue skies. Yes, the cloud will go at times cloud will come and go at times across Northern England. Parts of and well of scotland, and then well thicken western thicken across some western parts perhaps an parts later on, perhaps an afternoon shower developing over parts of northern parts of wales, Northern Ireland. Most places dry. Ireland. But most places dry. And those temperatures reaching the mid to high 20s 28 or 29 celsius possible towards the south east this afternoon. Weve not seen those temperatures for quite some time. Into the evening, though we do see a weather front moving into the west and this will give some rain ireland and rain to Northern Ireland and then parts of wales, western scotland southwest england then parts of wales, western scotlarpushing uthwest england then parts of wales, western scotlarpushing its1west england then parts of wales, western scotlarpushing its wayt england then parts of wales, western scotlarpushing its way north and slowly pushing its way north and eastwards the night. Slowly pushing its way north and eastw. Of s the night. Slowly pushing its way north and eastw. Of this the night. Slowly pushing its way north and eastw. Of this rain the night. Slowly pushing its way north and eastw. Of this rain couldiight. Slowly pushing its way north and eastw. Of this rain could bet. Slowly pushing its way north and eastw. Of this rain could be heavy some of this rain could be heavy at particularly across at times, particularly across scotland , very little in the scotland, very little in the south. And warm , muggy south. And another warm, muggy night come. Temperatures, night to come. Temperatures, minimum around 17 or 18 degrees. So a bit of a cloudier start to friday. There will be some bright or sunny spells. Rain, though, england though, across Northern England and. This out and scotland. This pushing out the itll be a day the way and then itll be a day of sunny spells and scattered showers across the country. Showers frequent in the showers most frequent in the brisk breeze towards the north and west. Some these and the west. Some of these heavy times, places will heavy at times, some places will stay in the best of the stay dry. And in the best of the sunshine towards south east, sunshine towards the south east, temperatures around 25 or 26 celsius. 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Well, conservative mp and well, the conservative mp and hes chancellor, of hes also lord chancellor, of course, asserted £2 course, asserted that the £2 billion cost of housing migrants in calling luxury in what theyre calling luxury accommodation some its accommodation on some of its luxury, of really isnt. Luxury, some of it really isnt. But could but nevertheless it could instead reinvested in instead be reinvested in schools, and other schools, hospitals and other pubuc schools, hospitals and other Public Services. But with so many british people losing housing places to migrants are migrants, were asking, are brits really being prioritised or are they at the back of the queue . Well, lets talk to broadcaster Narinder Kaur, who thinks that only bigots say Asylum Seekers are treated better the homeless. Better than the homeless. And political commentator patrick , who says that patrick oflynn, who says that some migrants are being some Illegal Migrants are being treated better than taxpayer paying treated better than taxpayer paying brits. Good morning to you. Narinder kaur not like you both. Narinder kaur not like you both. Narinder kaur not like you to be controversial. Its you to be controversial. Its not bigoted to look at this and say actually, these people seem to be going to the top of the list when some of our some of our own are struggling. Well, i think it is bigoted because when our own are struggling, which they are, thats governments fault. Thats the governments fault. The refugees thats not the refugees fault. Not the asylum fault. Thats not the Asylum Seekers theyre anger seekers fault. Theyre anger needs misdirected. Needs to be. Its misdirected. You create an asylum you cant create an Asylum Seeker problem. And then blame them for this governments failings. 13 years weve got lack of housing, lack of doctors, lack of our mortgages have gone up, our rents have gone up. Thats the governments fault. That is not the Asylum Seekers fault. Stop blaming them and creating hate. And thats what this government are trying to theyre creating to do. Theyre creating hate. Theyre a target so theyre creating a target so that everybody whos brainwashed or bigoted, theyve got their theyve got their chance now. Theyre green to go and theyre green light to go and pick them. Theyre reason pick on them. Theyre the reason for problems. Theyre not for our problems. Theyre not the for our fault, for the reason for our fault, for our problems. Reason for our our problems. The reason for our problems this government is a problems is this government is a lack help , lack of housing, lack of help, lack of housing, lack of help, lack of housing, lack schools , lack of lack of schools, lack of doctors. Every thing the governments fault. It is the governments fault. It is the governments fault. It is the governments fault. Its not the fault of the Asylum Seeker. How can you blame them . Do you think patrick, do you think nannder patrick, do you think narinder might think you were bigoted or brainwashed all of bigoted or brainwashed in all of this . Well, do hope not, but well, i do hope not, but i certainly believe that the duty of a government of a nation is primarily to its own citizens and that the citizens deserve of priorities, but they do deserve prioritising. However, both can exist because the Asylum Seeker also has legal rights. Has legal rights. Well, well look, thats have legal rights and we have legal obligations. We make some valid points about. Theres not an adequate Housing Stock for this country, but in fact there is more housing in this country than theres ever been, right . Yes. Weve got about 2 million more homes than at the turn of homes than we had at the turn of the century in last 20 years the century in the last 20 years and have failed build more and have failed to build more housing. That. But whats housing. Say that. But whats happenedis housing. Say that. But whats happened is the size of our population ahead population has roared on ahead of the extra housing capacity thats its not a matter of thats now its not a matter of blaming individual people who just want improve their just want to improve their lives. Right . I agree. Its the responsibility of the government to set the framework. But what we have here is, is yesterday a cabinet minister talking a good game from from the perspective of people like me about its not right. Its not fair. But why we have. Right. We have why is it not right . We have why is it not right . We have more than 50,000 foreign nationals overwhelmingly arrived in our country illegally. Who are there are no safe routes. Patrick, you are creating you are creating division and a scheme and people in hong kong, but not for afghan , not for all but not for afghan, not for all them. No. There are no safe routes. And if theres no safe route, please dont cause division. Please dont call cause racism. I get told to cause racism. I get told to f off back to my own country daily. Let me get a word in edgeways division. If you let me get a word in edgeways. Whats causing division and whats undermining our Race Relations when ordinary, fair minded members of the british pubuc minded members of the British Public look and see, we have 6000 homeless veterans, people who risked their lives doing good work across the world. Right. And for our country and whose fault is that . Well, look, the Housing Stock is not big enough to keep bringing in loads more. More. So youre going to blame vulnerable Asylum Seekers. Youre them as opposed youre blaming them as opposed to blaming the government literally not blaming. Thats not im not. Issue literally not blaming. Thats notim not. Issue is literally not blaming. Thats not im not. Issue is here. Im not. The issue is here. Its all about the and its all about the language. Some asylum language. Some are Asylum Seekers some migrants, some seekers, some are migrants, some are Illegal Migrants, some right i right. So we cant but we do know there are a lot of Illegal Migrants who are coming over in small boats now. There isnt it . Youre right. There is an issue about safe routes needs to be routes and that needs to be looked but in the meantime, looked at. But in the meantime, these people are illegal, so they they theyre coming. Lets process the claims quicker. Lets process quicker. You cant victimise you can blame people for saying you shouldnt be here. You shouldnt be paying smuggling gangs. You shouldnt be doing that. But if government can deal with that, process these with that, we can process these claims. Government we claims. The government we choose, government choose to choose, the government choose to. Because they want. Not patrick because they want to target diverge to create a target to diverge away from their failings. How can we how can we divert away from failings . Lets lets lets tune in to those bigots and blame the Asylum Seeker we have at the moment. People whove come mainly from a safe country, france, but under under an outdated asylum system. But nonetheless that says if youre fleeing in fear of your life, other countries must take you in right. And these people who allegedly fear running in fear of their life are complaining about being moved from a four star hotel to the sort of accommodation barge refurbished, floating prison. Its a floating prison , actually. I think it should be secure. I think it should be secure. Patrick, should we do this . Should we put them in tents . Should we put them in tents . Will that make you happy . Will that make people happy . Because this cruelty. This is performative cruelty. I dont because you wont dont want to because you wont be people, the first be the first people, the first person went onto barge person who went onto that barge said, really nice. And said, oh, its really nice. And the person said, the second person said, actually, like its a actually, i feel like its a prison. Being on prison. Im scared of being on here. Actually, 15 people here. So actually, 15 people have on it from 50,000 have gone on it from 50,000 people. I lets do the people. I mean, lets do the math. Lets do math math. Yes, lets do the math here. Stop blaming Vulnerable People there may people and yes, there may be some. On. May be some who some. Hold on. May be some who are had people emailing in are we had people emailing in the other saying because the other day saying because this is were talking about this is what were talking about is the rights of british people against people other against people from other countries. We why we countries. Why are we why are we pitting against other . Pitting them against each other . Lets lets look up both. But resources are scarce. But resources are scarce. Someone emailing the other day who said, my daughter is homeless, me homeless, shes living with me in bedroom flat with her in a one bedroom flat with her child. She love to be on child. She would love to be on the stockholm and i feel the bibby stockholm and i feel for her too. That both things can i think that both things can exist , both i think that both things can exist, both things can i think that both things can exist , both things can coexist. Exist, both things can coexist. And as a government, they can deal both. No government deal with both. No government should yes should be dealing with both. Yes how do we solve this problem that narinder correctly that narinder has correctly identified being identified that people are being pitted against each other . And how do create a situation how do we create a situation whereby arent putting brits whereby we arent putting brits at the back of the queue . But equally are treating people equally we are treating people with dignity, right . What weve got to is well, what weve got to do is manage our population so it doesnt exceed the capacity of the state, provide Public Services , accommodation, the services, accommodation, the number of children people can have. I number of children people can have. I think we need massively to reduce this and have a quota for the number of asylum applications we will accept in this country. And i agree with the idea that no one who arrives illegally should be allowed to stay. Patrick but then we would turn the accommodation barge at dorset should be secure detention. I dont with detention. I dont agree with buses into town bringing 500 young men into a seaside resort i youre creating division. Youre actually creating , youre youre actually creating, youre talking division. Such colourful language. Thats incorrect. Youre saying keep them inside a floating prison. Theyre not allowed outside. Thats cruel. And thats actually being cruel. People are detained until the merit of their application for asylum can take three years. So you want them stuck on a floating prison for up to three years. You make youre making no sense. Patrick. Deportation so up that can be up to three years that can be stuck this barge. And you stuck on this barge. And you know, this argument where people say, was enough say, well, it was good enough for rig workers, theyre for the oil rig workers, theyre on for about eight weeks, on it for about eight weeks, processing is taking two, processing is taking one, two, three processing is taking one, two, threprocessing needs happen processing needs to happen a lot faster. Would lot faster. Everyone would everyone with that. Everyone would agree with that. But about pitting but its not about pitting people against each when, people against each other when, you you have 500 people you know, if you have 500 people bussed an area for the bussed into an area for the local population are unhappy with that and you can understand why a 500 young men who why its a 500 young men who said just young men and said its just young men and also Single Person going also every Single Person going on that barge will be a young man. But actually that barge, 500 people, its only capacity people, its only the capacity is people. And its a fire is 222 people. And its a fire risk. The fire brigade have said this is a disaster waiting to happen. No. Do you want that . Those issues have been sorted out. But why do you really want people even if its 500 people 500, even if its 500 men, as we keep saying, weeks. Okay. Even its 500 okay. But even if its 500 people, 500 men, do you really want them to be stuck on a barge . 24 over seven for three years . Is that correct . Years . Is that correct . Fact no. I would like them to be back in their own countries and asked and arrived in ours and asked the government do that by the government to do that by processing it quicker and actually creating safe routes. That, because if they did, that, problem solved. Actually problem solved. Its actually quite simple. Instead of creating hate because i think its horrible, what would you then support getting then be in support of getting them to rwanda to be processed . Because i mean, no, because its money. Its costing too much money. Costing too much this is costing too much money the british taxpayer. Money for the british taxpayer. Im part of this issue with the part of this issue with the barge and trying to use the boat is trying to get people out of hotels, which a huge hotels, which is costing a huge amount of money. What should we do . Put so what should we do . Put them tents . How should we them in tents . How how should we do we put them in tents, you say, put them tents with say, to put them in tents with that derogatory tone. That sort of derogatory tone. There are thousands of but there are thousands of british people every night, not even tent. Even with a tent. Fault is that . And whose fault is that . And whose fault is that . Housing capacity under our housing capacity is under such strain. Were a crowded country. The Housing Housing is very difficult. Housing is under such capacity because the government didnt this is the didnt build enough. This is the failings of the government. Failings of the tory government. Its appalling what theyve done, done is done, know what theyve done is create hate and i feel sad about that as a woman of that because as a woman of colour country, i get colour in this country, i get told off back to my country told to f off back to my country daily lee anderson has just daily and lee anderson has just given light to all of given a green light to all of that actually vulnerable that and actually Vulnerable People coming in. Yes, there probably is some who are probably is some people who are illegal theyre doing illegal and theyre doing it just play system. But just to play the system. But lets not on the people who lets not pick on the people who are actually genuine because are actually genuine in because i better than that i think were better than that as a country. The as a country. You know, the british people, i truly believe, are better. Influx thats this influx thats undermining very undermining what were a very good this good Race Relations in this country to change the country to be able to change the scale influx. Scale of the influx. Are we i mean, its a global problem. Well, no. Most european countries, think could we countries, i think we could we could states. Could in the united states. Think youve had but i think youve had discussions your program discussions on your program already essential already about what essential steps, withdrawing steps, as in withdrawing from the european trick and the Un Refugee Convention age Refugee Convention in 1951, age is an ages ago different world. Weve had 1 Million People thats prepared to do that trick. Weve had 1 million legal migrants, 1 million legal a single year. So whats happened to the capacity of schools, hospitals . Why is why is the why hospitals . Why is why is the why do we pick on the Asylum Seekers and not the legal million . 2 million make a right that Legal Immigration volumes an Legal Immigration volumes is an even bigger problem. Pressure on pubuc even bigger problem. Pressure on Public Services. We have shortages of people doing jobs we need migrants doing jobs and we need migrants to in do that. And to come in and do that. And thats the chancellor of thats what the chancellor of the exchequer says. Let the exchequer says. Why not let them work people to come in and work . Them work. Theyre let them work. Theyre desperate work. Desperate to work. Just millions more just draw millions more people you allow asylum people in. If you allow Asylum Seekers earn money, seekers to work and earn money, its a massive extra pull factor. And our factor. We cannot and our economy it doesnt. Our economy needs inactive. Our economy has always survived on actually migrants. Our on actually migrants. Our economy has thrived on immigration for years, hundreds of years basis. Of years basis. You just opened the border. Wouldnt you know . Look, no ones saying we just open the borders. Nobodys actually saying that. But we certainly need the workers because people do not because british people do not want toilets. They want to clean the toilets. They dont pick the fruit. Dont want to pick the fruit. They do it just look they wont do it. It just look at banners. At the banners. No borders, as you know. Everyone, welcome. Everyone, welcome. Dont that. No, we dont do that. Patrick, again, youre patrick, again, again, youre exaggerating. And again, youre creating of division creating some kind of division because no ones saying because when no ones saying open doesnt believe in open borders doesnt believe in borders , it believes thats borders, it believes thats thats incorrect. We do we do thats incorrect. We do we do believe in borders. We have to have borders. That just makes sense. Thats common we sense. Thats common sense. We need but dont need borders, but we dont need people creating division, borders being enforced. People creating division, borright. 3ing enforced. Right. Right. Well, got to leave it well, weve got to leave it there. Im not going to agree. Im exhausted. 28. Thank you im exhausted. 28. Thank you very much. Need a lie down after that. Im sure youve got a view on that. Let us know what you think. Let us know what you think. Yes. And we will be getting the views of the presenter, nigel farage joining us nigel farage will be joining us a bit later on to talk a little bit later on to talk through, im sure. Give us a view this. But also actually view on this. But also actually at moment, his big issue is at the moment, his big issue is the issue being de banking. The issue of being de banking. Covered from that, we need a lie down. Im not im still in shell shock, to be perfectly honest. It is 744. Lets go through the papers. Political consultant emma burnell, the Deputy Editor of spectator for freddie of the spectator for freddie grey. Morning to you both. Grey. Good morning to you both. Good morning. Lets kick off good morning. Lets kick off with the crooked pub fire in the mirror. Mirror. Yes, its probably worth saying that the crooked pub fire is called this because the pub was crooked. Yes although it does appear that the fire may be to. Yeah, it burnt down nine days after being purchased it and the purchasing owner was right next to some land. Also owned by the same people. And owned by the same people. And one doesnt wish to speculate, but it is currently being treated by the police as a potential arson. And i think potential arson. And i think there is a real worry like these are this is a landmark pub. It was a really kind of Historic Building and huge amount of character. And it would just be character. And it would just be its just such a shame when these things are lost. Anyway may it be more of a shame if thats being done for devious reasons. Well, well , arson is reasons. Well, well, arson is a is an awful thing. You never know whos whos behind all of that. But no doubt the police will be investigate, so well find out. I feel sorry for any pub landlord whose pub actually does burn down. Everyone will always yeah, everyone will always be suspicious eternity. Suspicious for all eternity. Its like when the Weston Super Mare burnt down and mare pier burnt down and everyone was looking at the owners thinking, yeah. And it owners thinking, oh yeah. And it got whole new remodel. But got a whole new remodel. But yeah, its always suspicious, isnt it . If your business burns down. Freddie, what about bunch . I work from home, so i would like to say that if my business burns down, im in a lot of trouble. Yeah. Yeah lets not talk about that. Harry has lost his hrh title very discreetly on the royal website, discreetly removed from the royal website. Now, this actually happened a couple of years ago that they were no longer allowed to use. Hrh the hrh title. But now the website has finally been updated and ifs website has finally been updated and its just probably a and i think its just probably a kind bureaucratic thing that and i think its just probably a kind get reaucratic thing that and i think its just probably a kind get aroundtic thing that and i think its just probably a kind get aroundtic updating didnt get around to updating it. Does signify that it. But it does signify that they have lost their status and they have lost their status and they been downgraded on the they have been downgraded on the sort list of royals in that sort of list of royals in that section on the website and only Prince Andrew is below them. And that sort of tells you perhaps what the royal family really think about harry. Is he still hrh . I dont, but yes, i think hrh . I dont, but yes, i think he is all right. Im not entirely sure you got me there. I think he still is, but i dont really matter if he is no longer echr hes still a prince, hes still a duke hes just not his royal highness. I mean, alok sharma, if any of this stuff matters, i think i must tell you. I know youre distraught about it. I could not less admin has i could not be less admin has happened. Great maybe its the summer. I mean, you know, only the royals. Would it be like. The royals. Would it be like. Actually in a newspaper that an administrator decision that was made three years ago has finally been caught up on the website. But theres two other royal stories in the papers. One is that harry was in japan and he told me that hed be happy to live there other is that live there and the other is that prince is among Prince William is among americans, the popular americans, is the most popular foreign figure , not just foreign. Hes because there are other people on that list include joe biden and donald trump are near the bottom. But its any considered political or diplomatic leader. So hes the most i mean, i think its one of those things where hes got very well curated public image, particularly in the states. Oh, quite right. Too oh, quite right. Too Prince William for president. Well hes 1 Prince William for president. Well hes1 behind zelenskyy. Yeah , right. Yeah. 58. Still yeah, right. Yeah. 58. Still not that high, is it . No, no. But its, you know, fair enough. I think. Good on him now, zelenskyy, lets lets. Politicians would be happy with 58. I thought the pope would be up there, but it didnt seem to be. Yeah lets look at the times. Should we, emma and the pension bill which which falls under state benefits. Under state benefits. It does. It does. It does. I know people hate that. I know people hate that. Yeah. Yeah. Well i mean, it is a state benefit. Thats exactly what it is. And i think its always worth pointing that out when we start kind of demonising anyone on benefits. We essentially mean anyone age of 65 and anyone over the age of 65 and the state pension bill is big and getting bigger. Its now to going outstrip the cost of running three departments, which include defence and education, you know, really quite big and important departments. They are. Important departments. They are. The problem of course, is twofold. First of all, the government committed to the triple lock, which means that the pension rises all the time and there are no ways to bring that down because it either rises with the cost of inflation. Now thats obviously been very high or if the inflation rate is low, then it goes up by a certain percentage. Were also living longer. So the amount of people claiming their pension from 65, you know, it used to be that that might be a 15 to 20 years. Its now 30. Sometimes even 40 years. But this is why, of course, pension age is going up. This is why the pension age is going up. But also what we have a real demographic squeeze because we are having fewer children. I think you were talking about this on an item earlier where you know, there are fewer people paying because what pays for pension is not the money that you paid in your working lifetime, but the money that working people are paying now. That pot gets now. And as that pot gets smaller and smaller because we are giving jobs away to ai, because were giving jobs away to robots, because we just cant blame robots for this. I blame robots for everything but yeah, we just have fewer people paying into the working world, paying national insurance, which is what pays for current pensioners. For current pensioners. So theres a real squeeze happening. Happening. Thats why the government is urging over 50 to the over 50s to get on their bike. Deliveroo jobs. And so yeah, it was it was said that i cant remember which mp it was now someone fairly it was a cabinet minister, i think it was , yeah. Get on your bike it was, yeah. Get on your bike literally. Literally. Buckland i think it was, yeah. Was it . Buckland oh, there you go. Should we talk about top choice for parents . In choice for parents . Freddy in the mail, book is number choice for parents . Freddy in the forl, book is number choice for parents . Freddy in the for bedtime book is number choice for parents . Freddy in the for bedtime reading1umber choice for parents . Freddy in the for bedtime reading itmber choice for parents . Freddy in the for bedtime reading it isier one for bedtime reading it is the gruffalo , which youve never the gruffalo, which youve never read it . No, me neither. No, me neither. I dont mind it. I like julia donaldson, was very popular with my and shes, i mean, my children and shes, i mean, sells millions. A 13 million sells millions. A 13 million since its since it was published in 1999. I think they are very, very good. Theyre well constructed stories as the snail and the whale. That one snail and the whale. That one the highway rat that was particularly one about a dragon as well. They are really the sort of up there with harry potter and the very hungry caterpillar. Thats second number two, is it number two . That must have done more now, that must have done more than sales since it than 13 million sales since it was published. Around was published. Its been around since was born in 74 and since well, i was born in 74 and it was all around there. Yeah, no, i remember it from my childhood. Shall i try some other ones on you . Oh, go on. Thats not my fiona. What i think thats not cat think thats. Thats not my cat. Its not mine. Oh, its not mine. No, familiar with that one. Its an early one. Its for the sort of the. One, two, three range. Guess how much i love you by sam mcbratney. Ive never heard of the one with the bunny to the moon and back. Yeah, i know that one. Yeah, i know that one. Peppa pig oh five Boris Johnsons favourite by eric hill. Oh, spot dog. Yeah oh, spot dog. Yeah the tale of peter rabbit. Still at number seven. Thats good to see, dear zoo by rod campbell, which ive heard campbell, which ive never heard of. Winnie the pooh. Of. No. And winnie the pooh. Oh, i love winnie the pooh. Oh, i love winnie the pooh. And then number 10 is harry potter. Oh, right. This is stories parents are reading to their children rather than. Their children rather than. Not one of the harry its not one of the harry potters. Its all the its not one of the harry potters. Its all the harry potter s. Potters. It just says harry potter. Fair enough. It just says harry potter. Fair enough. But i imagine this is a parents telling survey is a parents telling a survey what they like. Im very im very glad that Beatrix Potter is in there. Yeah because, mean, theyre just so because, i mean, theyre just so beautiful. Well, actually, was beautiful. Well, actually, i was really frightened of one of the Beatrix Potters. Think tom kitten, i think it was tom kitten, the where he gets stuck up the one where he gets stuck up a chimney terrified me as a child. But its beautifully written. Its stories. But its beautifully written. Its yeah, stories. But its beautifully written. Its yeah, but stories. But its beautifully written. Its yeah, but we ories. Saying yeah, but we were saying earlier there should be a bit of darkness childrens darkness in childrens stories. Should be. Yeah, there should be. Yeah, there should be. Puddle duck the bloomin fox. Trying eggs, and trying to eat all her eggs, and shes have shes desperate to have her little duck somewhere safe. Little duck egg somewhere safe. No kids love a little. Sort of slightly spooky or slightly scary story. Its a know its a safe way to learn to deal fear in some ways, deal with fear in some ways, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Lets have a look at the guardian. We getting guardian. Should we getting locked shop, emma which locked in a shop, emma which i think is isobels dream. Oh, yeah, please. Is sports in particular . Really. No, not really. No, not really. Yeah. Yeah. I always think getting locked in ikea would all right. In an ikea would be all right. Could have a kit. We could have a kit. We could have a kit. You just. Yeah. Sleep well. You could do everything. You could do everything. Eat meatballs. Eat meatballs. My. Favourite yeah. No, my. My favourite shop be locked. Shop to be locked. Kitchens, living rooms. Right. And harvey nicks, all right. And harvey nicks, maybe the Big Department stores. The difference between and ikea and harvey. Yeah, i mean, that yeah, i mean, yeah, that youre all bases , but youre covering all bases, but this is a very bizarre story because what happened was there was a kind of call out on social media, tiktok, i think in particular, like meet up at 3 pm. Were all going on the rob p. M. Were all going on the rob and loads of people turned up, very few of them to actually go on the rob, more of them to just see what was going to happen on and theres absolute and theres an absolute brilliant quote. And theres an absolute brilletit quote. And theres an absolute brillet me|ote. And theres an absolute brillet me see can remember let me see if i can remember it where a young boy, 14 year old called harry said, im im not here to rob. Was brought not here to rob. I was brought up than that. And he up better than that. And then he points at phone. Im just points at his phone. Im just here film and i just here to film it. And i just said, if you could bottle the essence of a current 14 year old, it would be that quote thats making think of thats just making me think of one my favourite childhood one of my favourite childhood books, the and books, which was the cops and the robbers janet allan ahlberg. Oh, i love those. I i i the cops, the cops and robbers. Sorry. Anyway, you were going sorry. Anyway, you were going to say . To say . Well, no, its just going to say we sent a colleague. We sort of this story was flaring up on social media. Tick tock in particular, that theres going to this robbery on to be this great robbery on oxford and we sent a oxford street. And we sent a colleague go and because he colleague to go and because he was following it and he just went along said it was all went along and said it was all just people to the just people to see if the robbery was going to happen, was it . It might be it . But perhaps it might be a great diversionary tactic if you do if you do want to rob somewhere, up a social media somewhere, set up a social media storm somewhere storm about a robbery somewhere else, could be right that else, you could be right on that devious note, freddie. Well leave it there. And emma, thanks very much indeed. See hour. Lets see you in the next hour. Lets get check on the weather with greg. The temperatures rising, boxt solar. Proud sponsors of weather on. Gb news. On. Gb news. Hello there. Im Greg Dewhurst and welcome to your latest gb news Weather Forecast for the day ahead. Its looking fine and dry for many, plenty of sunny spells feeling much warmer than it has done for many weeks now. This morning, yes, now. And this morning, yes, there a little bit of low there is a little bit of low cloud initially, this should cloud initially, but this should lift break and most places lift and break and most places having a fine ahead. Plenty having a fine day ahead. Plenty of skies. Yes the cloud of blue skies. Yes the cloud will come and go at times across Northern England, parts of scotland. Thicken scotland. And then well thicken across parts later across some western parts later on, an afternoon shower on, perhaps an afternoon shower developing of wales , developing over parts of wales, Northern Ireland, but most places dry and those places dry. And those temperatures reaching the mid to high 20s 28 or 29 celsius possible towards the south east this afternoon. Weve not seen those temperatures for quite some time. Into the evening, though we do see a weather front moving into the west and this will northern will give some rain to Northern Ireland and then parts of wales, western scotland and southwest england its england slowly pushing its way north eastwards the north and eastwards through the night. 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Some at times, some of these heavy at times, some will stay and some places will stay dry. And in of the sunshine in the best of the sunshine towards south east, towards the south east, temperatures around 25 or 26 celsius. So still feeling quite warm here, a little fresher towards the north west. The towards the north west. The temperatures rising , a boxt temperatures rising, a boxt solar proud sponsors of weather on. Gb news solar proud sponsors of weather on. Gb news and solar proud sponsors of weather on. Gb news and stay with us. On. Gb news and stay with us. Coming up, nigel farage will be joining us to talk us through all the latest with this banking scandal. Im a lioness. Lianne sanderson will be joining us to talk through englands prospects in the world cup. Theyll be taking on colombia on saturday in the quarterfinals. And as always, well be bringing you your latest forecast. Forecast. Hello. Well see temperatures rising through the course of the day today. Find out exactly how high later on in the programme with me. With me. Morning to you. Im stephen dixon. Dixon. And im Isabel Webster. And this is breakfast on gb news. Now, there is a real risk that we could become a Cashless Society despite more than 5 million adults still relying on cash in the uk but support is growing for the gb news dont kill cash campaign, which now stands at over 260,000 signatures. As pressure is mounting on the government to introduce legislation to protect physical cash. Well one industry that really relies on cash is the arcade industry. No surprise with coin payments being the mainstay of the business. And our reporter anna riley has been looking into this. But a warning, though, this contains some flash photography. With some flash photography. With toupie coin pushers along with crane grabbers and more. Seaside arcades hold a special place in British Culture to play on the amusements, coins and notes are traditionally the only form of payment and this is the way leisureland in bridlington wants it to stay. Bridlington wants it to stay. If we went cashless, wed have to. I mean as as a family have to. I mean as as a family business, we would inevitably close and fortunately, sad to say , but we just wouldnt be say, but we just wouldnt be able to deal with it. Big Companies May be able to bring in that infrastructure of going cashless. I know a lot have already, but arcades just wouldnt be the same. Its all about coins. Its all about heanng about coins. Its all about hearing noise. Can hear hearing the noise. You can hear the noise around its the noise around you. Its all about good fun and about good family, fun and thats were all about. And thats what were all about. And we cash that. We need cash to do that. Cash is king. Not just for the arcades, but other small the arcades, but for other Small Businesses coast. Businesses along the coast. Cash, its dependable. With cash, its dependable. It with cash, its dependable. H been with cash, its dependable. It been dependable for many, it has been dependable for many, many a private as many years. Its a private as i say, way of spending and yeah, businesses like us and a lot of other businesses, retail, you only have to look at the high street half the high street is closed card processing fees are killing a lot of Small Businesses with cash. We get to keep it all, which means we get to stay open, which means we get to stay open, which means we get to keep entertaining people and customers be trading customers here wont be trading coins for cards any time soon. The thrill is putting the two peasin the thrill is putting the two peas in or the ten peas or whatever to try and win. Thats the thrill of an arcade, not swipe ing a card. And then youve got whatever to do it. I enjoy putting the two in enjoy putting the two peas in and whatever else. And whatever else. There wont be an enjoyment, would . Know i would there . You know what i mean . Itd be done with the mean . Itd like be done with the is putting it in and trying to make them fall down. Its easier to put them inside instead of inside the machine instead of swiping card and taking swiping your card and it taking it your account. It out of your account. Like they just on a you see like they just on a screen, dont really feel screen, you dont really feel like real. But if you see like its real. But if you see like its real. But if you see like an actual pound coin in your hand, like, know the your hand, like, you know the value back to represent value of it back to represent britains amusements and high value of it back to represent britairgamingements and high value of it back to represent britairgaming manufacturers gh value of it back to represent britairgaming manufacturers and street gaming manufacturers and operators support the operators and support the continued the continued use of cash in the industry. Industry. If you took cash away and you got rid of all those machines that take cash, would get that take cash, you would get rid those businesses and they rid of those businesses and they theyre into the kind of theyre woven into the kind of economic fabric of economic and social fabric of our coastal resorts, arent they . And its one thing that i think is quite unique to this country and something we know from from research enjoyed by by a third of the population every yeah a third of the population every year. And over their lifetime , year. And over their lifetime, two thirds of the population. So without cash here at the seaside side, it would be game over for arcade owners. Anna riley gb news bridlington its a fair point, isnt it . I like an arcade. I like an arcade. Do you . Do you . Do you . Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. My kids like an arcade. Its good on holiday, isnt it . Really good fun. Now, one man who knows about the dangers of a Cashless Society better than most is nigel farage. And of course, hes launched a National Campaign stand up for Victims Campaign to stand up for victims of king his own of de banking king after his own issues with natwest. And he joins us this morning. Good morning to you, nigel. Update us where you are with update us on where you are with your crusade. Your own crusade. Your own crusade. Well, im heading off to clacton , actually, because clacton, actually, because thats the closest seaside arcade i i love that arcade i think. I love that report. I love seaside arcades and one element, but you and its one element, but you see part of my campaign is because not only have 5000 Bank Branches closed around the country since 2015, but increasing only the banks do not want to accept cash from Small Businesses. And its one of the reasons theyre closing so many people down. So as far as my campaign is concerned, well, on a personal level, im getting ever angrier with natwest and coots. I put in a subject access request to natwest , the parent request to natwest, the parent of coots, to try and get personal information. Theyve now come back and said the situation is complex us and therefore they wont answer me until nearly the end of october. I wrote to the Information Commissioners Office to report a breach because Dame Alison Rose clearly broke gdpr rules by discussing details of my bank account with the bbc. Theyve told me my situation is complex and it might take a long time to sort out. So theyre trying to kick the whole thing into the long grass. So my situation is still very much stalemated. However on the Bigger Picture , however on the Bigger Picture, jeremy hunt, the chancellor clearly realising that with the possibility of up to a Million People being banked over the course of the last four years, that there is a National Scandal here. He wrote a letter to the Financial Conduct Authority , the Financial Conduct Authority, the regulator of the industry , regulator of the industry, saying he wanted urgent action and for once theyve actually done something. Theyve written to the 25 leading banks and Building Societies demanding to know by the 25th of august how many accounts have been closed recently and what the reasons are. So we do at least now have are. So we do at least now have a National Debate going on. We finally, finally we got the regulator to wake up to whats going on within the Banking Industry and lets hope now that the door is open to some very real changes and reforms. Ill tell you what really worries me about this, nigel, is the idea that, you know, potentially a quarter of a million accounts have been closed every year for the last four years with no reason having to be given in and actually people being left without a voice. Now youve got a profile, youve got a voice , youve youve got a voice, youve raised the issue, if that hadnt have happened , we would have have happened, we would have just carried on regardless , just carried on regardless, wouldnt we . Oh, absolutely. And i mean, oh, absolutely. And i mean, the point, stephen, is this why doesit the point, stephen, is this why does it take me to blow the whistle on this . What were the doing . What was the regulator doing . What was the regulator doing . Well, ill tell you, have a brief peek at their website boasting about how many of them were going on pride marches, talking about the importance of Lgbtqi Community within financial services. I mean, theyve all become politicised, theyve all become politicised, theyve all become politicised, theyve all gone down this route , you know, of woke corporatism and capitalism and actually what and capitalism and actually what a bank needs to do and yes , a bank needs to do and yes, theyre private businesses, but remember , our taxes went up to remember, our taxes went up to bail them out in 2008 and 2009. And you cant actually live in the modern World Without a bank account. Its literally impossible. Able even if gb news impossible. Able even if gb news succeeds in keeping cash in the economy, you still need a basic bank account to pay the gas bill. So my real annoyance is that the regulator has been asleep at the wheel too busy fighting political campaigns and really, really this should have been this should have been investigated a couple of years ago. And look, you as weve discussed, you know, you very much highlighting the issue of what it would be like if you were a bank. Just tell our viewers and listeners what it would be like and what cash means if were in a means to you if we were in a Cashless Society and basically why your weight why youre putting your weight behind cash campaign. A couple of points, really. Firstly if we a fully firstly if we have a fully digitised Financial System , not digitised Financial System, not only would it leave us very vulnerable to cyber attack and i mean , you know, have a look at mean, you know, have a look at the fact that 40 Million People details have been hacked from the Electoral Commission website. Weve learnt that this week. So we leave ourselves highly to our highly vulnerable to our enemies. But above all, my big worry is this it would open the door for the big brother state. Do know already . Natwest do you know already . Natwest bank telling their Customer Bank are telling their customer not to buy cryptocurrency as even though if they buy them through a firm like coinbase, which is a registered company and it should be illegal activity. Banks already you go into the bank today , guys try into the bank today, guys try and withdraw more than £1,000 in cash. Theyll ask you what its for. Well, its your bloomin money. And my worry is this we would finish up, for example , would finish up, for example, with personal carbon credits. With personal carbon credits. No, no, no, you cant book that flight to marbella. Youve used up your allowance for the year. This would be the ultimate potential form of big brother control of our lives. And that, i think , above all, is why it i think, above all, is why it must be fought. You see, thats interesting, because im someone, nigel, who ive got to be honest, i very rarely use cash unless im up in blackpool going to the arcades. And you know, and there is progress in society city, isnt there, where we are becoming more cashless, we are buying more cashless, we are buying more things online, were chipping , more things online, were chipping, pinning and all the rest of it like mad. But what was what we dont think about is that big brother implication, the idea that actually this can be used in a way that most of us dont even perceive. Dont even perceive. Look, it happened in canada. Look, it happened in canada. Remember the canadian truckers, people whod gone about their business legally for years , business legally for years, suddenly a Vaccine Mandate came in. Many of them didnt agree with it. They protested peacefully in ottawa. And what did justin trudeau, the pm, do . Did justin trudeau, the pm, do . He froze their bank accounts. He froze their bank accounts. You see, you know, this can be misused , used in very, very misused, used in very, very frightening ways. Theres also a practical point here. You know, if youre a small trader here, i was talking last week to a lady who runs a fish counter , you who runs a fish counter, you know, down on the beach in kent , you know, brothers go and catch fish. She sells it at the catch fish. She sells it at the roadside. Well, first point is roadside. Well, first point is the internet often doesnt blimmin work. So even if youve got a credit card machine, you may not be able to take the payment. And thats true for cumbria and all sorts of parts of the country. And secondly , if of the country. And secondly, if your average transaction is 7 or £8 and youre going through a card machines, youre looking at one and three quarter, 2 commission on that money, thats a big chunk of your profit margin. And ill bet you every pennyin margin. And ill bet you every penny in lombard street to an orange that if we went cashless the fees for those cards for Small Businesses would go even higher. So Small Businesses would go even higher. So there are many, many arguments as to why cash still. Arguments as to why cash still. And stephen, youre in london. You know, you go around london and everything is tapped with a card, but you get outside london into our Rural Communities , our into our Rural Communities, our coastal communities, that is not the reality. So there are practical reasons why cash needs to stay. There are, i think , to stay. There are, i think, personal security, big brother implication reasons why cash should stay. And what i want to see, and this is not difficult, i want the chancellor of the exchequer, i want his next move to say that legal tender will remain legal tender, simple as that. Yeah all right. Well, on that note, well leave that. Thank you very much, nigel. Have a fabulous day. I know youre off, as you say, to clacton. We wish you well on your travels. Meanwhile, here in the united on the slot machines as well, the slot machine slot slot machine on the slot machines, chuck machines, shell hell chuck a few in there you want to few quid in there if you want to support campaign. Support the campaign. Way , gb news. Com by the way, gb news. Com cash. Yeah and i think there you go you can scan that qr code 260,000 of you already have. So keep those signatures coming in. Its about choice , isnt it . Its about choice, isnt it . As i say, im not a big cashier ehheh as i say, im not a big cashier either, but i wouldnt miss it if it was gone. Its one of those you want the choice. There is something very nice about holding a wodge of cash. Oh, im sure i wouldnt know. Is that in the in the in the birthday cards . Yes. And all birthday cards . Oh, yes. And all that. It lovely when a that. Isnt it lovely when a fiver drops out the birthday card. Its not very big wad of cash is it. If you get a couple of fivers. Ten. Shabby. Not too shabby. Not too shabby. £15. Its lovely. £15. Its lovely. Yeah. Last time i got in yeah. Last time i got cash in the post days have gone. The post those days have gone. Oh oh thats nice. Right. Were going to our attention over going to turn our attention over the big developing story the pond. A big developing story overnight. Who was posting overnight. A man who was posting violent threats against president was President Biden online was killed fbi in a raid in utah. Okay. Lets talk to our home okay. Lets talk to our home and security editor white, and security editor mark white, whos all whos been monitoring all of this. Whats going on, mark . This. Whats going on, mark . A man called craig this is a man called Craig Robertson posted robertson who had posted a number of threats , its thinly number of threats, its thinly veiled and actually explicit threats against the us president , against the Manhattan District Attorney , alvin bragg, district attorney, alvin bragg, a man that leading the investigation into donald trump over the alleged hush money that was paid to the star, Stormy Daniels , and also threat against daniels, and also threat against allegedly the us attorney general, merrick garland, and the new York Attorney general. He first came to light and to the attention of the fbi in march this year when he posted and posted a threat against alvin bragg, the district attorney. He was visited by the fbi, told them on that occasion, look, this is just a dream. Im nothing in it. But but continued to post as late as yesterday. He to post as late as yesterday. He posted saying when he visits this is President Biden who is visiting in utah where this man was based in a town called provo, which is about 40 miles from salt lake city. He said perhaps utah will become famous this week as the place of sniper took out biden. The marxist. So clearly there is a Threat Assessment Centre that the fbi has that the Us Secret Service has. They get many, many threats put into them on a daily basis and they have to assess those that they feel could be potentially legitimate and pose a significant threat to high profile figures like the us president. Clearly the visited this individual. Were told that this individual. Were told that whatever they found when they went through the door meant that they felt a real fear for their lives. So they opened fire on lives. So they opened fire on this man and shot him dead. Heck, i mean , you would work heck, i mean, you would work on the basis , wouldnt you, that on the basis, wouldnt you, that they wouldnt shoot without good reason. I mean, thats because you saying youre talking fbi and secret service involved in all of this , but also mistakes happen. Well, this is true. Well, this is true. So its how will we get a full investigation into this . Well, i mean, we certainly know from the initial Court Documents that have come out about this incident that this man had been posting. Hed been posting pictures of a sniper rifle that he had as well. Can aflaj get up that he was in saying that he was going to dust off his ghillie suit, his kind off his ghillie suit, his kind of hunting suit with a view to the visit by President Biden. As the visit by President Biden. As i say, its a really difficult one because there are hundreds and hundreds of these kind of threats that come across the desks of the fbi and the secret Service Daily that they have to look in the vast majority are just nonsense people sounding off. They would never do anything about it, but they need to weigh up the potential risks. Now, we dont know if the man had a gun in his possession when they went through the door , but they went through the door, but that will come out in the fullness of time. And meanwhile , that president ial trip to utah will continue as planned, irrespective whats happened irrespective of whats happened overnight. Yeah, i mean, these events are planned well in advance. A huge Security Service detail it would to be a detail. It would have to be a very explicit and ongoing threat to halt that. And because this to halt that. And because this individual , to halt that. And because this individual, a lone individual, we believe , is now out of the we believe, is now out of the picture , there is not perceived picture, there is not perceived to be any wider threat. So that visit, the first visit by joe biden to the state of utah, is going ahead today. Hes going to visit veterans and other local towns in and around salt lake city. City. Okay, mark, thanks very much indeed. Okay, mark, thanks very much indeed. We were talking about indeed. We were talking about Illegal Migrants earlier on. Do they get preferential treatment in terms of housing and all that, all that sort of business and debated that rather voraciously, a little bit earlier on . And Narinder Kaur who was here and saying , earlier on . And Narinder Kaur who was here and saying, you know, really this isnt an issue. Its all about people are being baited into discussing all of this. Its all just down to processing. People should just be faster. Cullen says be processed faster. Cullen says. How do you process people faster when they throw away their documents , which is their documents, which is a valid point. You know, you throw people we do know that people are discard ing documents and then arriving here with no document station, you cant prove they are or where prove who they are or where theyre from, legitimately fleeing without their documents because from war because theyre running from war or it might be. Or whatever it might be. Thats true. Genocide well, thats true. Genocide you dont necessarily always have your passport handy, but that a challenge , as that does create a challenge, as you colin, when it comes to you say, colin, when it comes to processing , lots of you were processing, lots of you were commenting on our female guest actually, peter and lead saying nannder actually, peter and lead saying narinder missed the point. Its not about blame, about not about blame, its about priority missing. Helen says it would be interesting to know how many migrants are in social housing when families struggle to when our families struggle to find housing and it is a difficult one. I think both people made some some interesting points in that one, but it is difficult when we have people on the streets here, people on the streets here, people who cant get social housing, veterans on the streets who dont seem to get any attention , even when were attention, even when were forking out £2. 2 billion housing people who may or may not have the right to be here. And its a valid issue. Its got to be looked at. And theres nothing wrong with looking at that issue. But your thoughts keep them coming through on that one. Gb views at cbnnews. Com. Something to cheer everybody up. The something to cheer everybody up. The suns putting in an appearance might be brief. It might not be to here stay. But heres Greg Dewhurst with all your forecast details that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers. Proud sponsors of weather on. Gb news. Hello there. Im Greg Dewhurst and welcome to your latest gb news Weather Forecast for the day ahead. Its looking for the day ahead. Its looking fine and dry for many, plenty of sunny spells, feeling much warmer than it has done for many weeks now. This morning, weeks now. And this morning, yes, there is little of yes, there is a little bit of low cloud initially, but this should and and should lift and break. And most places having a fine day ahead. Plenty blue skies. Yes, the plenty of blue skies. Yes, the cloud and go at times cloud will come and go at times across england, parts cloud will come and go at times ac scotland, england, parts cloud will come and go at times ac scotland, andanland, parts cloud will come and go at times ac scotland, and then1d, parts cloud will come and go at times ac scotland, and then well rts of scotland, and then well thicken across western thicken across some western parts later on, perhaps an afternoon developing over afternoon shower developing over parts of wales, Northern Ireland. Most dry. Ireland. But most places dry. And temperatures reaching and those temperatures reaching the mid to high 20s 28 or 29 celsius possible towards the south east this afternoon. Weve south east this afternoon. Weve not seen those temperatures for quite some time. Into the evening, though we do see a weather front moving into the west and this will give some rain to Northern Ireland and then parts wales, western then parts of wales, western scotland, southwest england, slowly and slowly pushing its way north and eastwards the night. Eastwards through the night. Some of this rain could heavy some of this rain could be heavy at particularly across at times, particularly across scotland, in the scotland, very little in the south. Another warm, muggy south. And another warm, muggy night temperatures night to come. Temperatures a minimum around 17 or 18 degrees. So a bit of a cloudier start to friday. There will be some bright or sunny spells. Rain, though, Northern England though, across Northern England and scotland this pushing out the then it will be the way. And then it will be a day sunny spells and day of sunny spells and scattered showers the scattered showers across the country. Showers most frequent scattered showers across the co the y. Showers most frequent scattered showers across the co the brisk wers most frequent scattered showers across the co the brisk breezeiost frequent scattered showers across the co the brisk breeze towards jent scattered showers across the co the brisk breeze towards the in the brisk breeze towards the north and the west. Some of these heavy at times, some places dry and in the places will stay dry and in the best of sunshine towards best of the sunshine towards the south east, temperatures around 25 26 celsius. So still 25 or 26 celsius. So still feeling warm here. Feeling quite warm here. A little fresher towards the north west that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers, proud sponsors of weather on. Gb news. Weather on. Gb news. Now coming up, were asking a businesses putting virtue signalling ahead of profits. Signalling ahead of profits. This is after tannoy this is the final call for all Long Distance lovers. Im flying round the world to marry a man that ive never met. 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If you find it. Thats the way. Yeah. Then shes there somewhere. She is there somewhere. If youve ever seen the loch ness monster, let us know. Right. Monster, let us know. Right. Right. We are talking about the efforts of businesses to meet environmental, social and governance targets known as esg. Theyve been growing, getting growing criticism over the recent years, and many are accused of being too morally conscious. Yeah, sometimes its called woke capitalism. The need to meet these esg targets has seen the likes of costa coffee putting trans men with mastectomy fees on their adverts. And ben and jerry telling Suella Braverman to scrap the rwanda plan. But is it time organisations stopped work signalling, or are we simply in the enlighten age where businesses have a duty to help the world . Lets talk to property expert russell quirk, who thinks that businesses trying to meet those targets are guilty of woke washing. Guilty of woke washing. Meanwhile, the founder of the vegan skincare brand franks remedies, frank , thinks remedies, carl frank, thinks that although some organisations put virtue signalling above profits of smaller profits a lot of smaller businesses, his own, businesses, including his own, do authentically as part of do it authentically as part of their brand dna. Well, lets get their brand dna. Well, lets get their brand dna. Well, lets get the thoughts then of kyle, first of all. So you would say this is a genuine concern and it isnt woke well for me. And what im familiar about with smaller businesses is its actually part of their brand dna. So for me, myself, having terrible acne and being able to create products that was able to help alongside the physical effects, i felt there was a great need to help with the emotional effects, and thats something of like something that i kind of like went and having a went through and having a background child psychology, went through and having a bthoughtid child psychology, went through and having a bthought it child psychology, went through and having a bthought it was1ild psychology, went through and having a bthought it was a d psychology, went through and having a bthought it was a great hology, went through and having a bthought it was a great thing|y, i thought it was a great thing to especially spending a lot to do, especially spending a lot of time working local areas of time working in local areas with schools and teachers. I found as a very much a need found it as a very much a need and wasnt something that the and it wasnt something that the government were government or policies were going itself. So as as going to do itself. So as my as a business, myself and being able and create my able to express and create my brand way, its been brand in this way, its been really helpful for community really helpful for my community and to , well, and growing that. As to, well, whats with companies, whats wrong with companies, whether big or small. Whether big or small. Russell having a bit of social responsibility. Social responsibility. I think theres a difference between having a social responsibility in terms of their dna, their credentials , where dna, their credentials, where they purchase from and so on, which is what the esg thing is all about , which is what the esg thing is all about, versus huge multinational corporations with multi billion dollar Marketing Budgets. So people like costa Anheuser Busch and miller lite and of course , you know, various and of course, you know, various others. Wickes of course , is others. Wickes of course, is another example. Ben and jerrys great example. They have an unfair advantage in terms of the enormity of their budget. So they can proclaim , they can they can proclaim, they can preach to us as the public in terms of how we should go about our daily lives. Now, if i want to be preached to stephen, ill go to Speakers Corner or ill go to Speakers Corner or ill go to Speakers Corner or ill go to church. I dont expect the place i my coffee from place that i buy my coffee from to tell me what should think to tell me what i should think in of the Trans Movement. In terms of the Trans Movement. But theres a difference, isnt there . And i think its an isnt there . And i think its an isnt it important isnt it an important difference . Jerrys difference . Ben and jerrys having a view a political having a view on a political issue. Its not a view. A proclamation. Issue. Its not a view. Well, proclamation. Issue. Its not a view. Well, okay. 1mation. Issue. Its not a view. Well, okay. Aiation. Issue. Its not a view. Well, okay. A proclamation on a political issue. You say well, okay. A proclamation on a po|shouldnt e. You say well, okay. A proclamation on a po|shouldnt be ou say well, okay. A proclamation on a po|shouldnt be getting say they shouldnt be getting involved in politics. Costa coffee having a view on a trans issue . Well thats different. Thats not actually political. Thats not actually political. Thats human rights. No, but its not a view. Its the preaching. Its the ramming the preaching. Its the ramming it down our throats in terms of not what should think, not just what we should think, but lee, the ceo of wix, but famous. Lee, the ceo of wix, said that essentially people that prescribe to his that didnt prescribe to his view trans issues, for view on trans issues, for instance, were not welcome in his store. Now, what right. But i know theyre a private business, but what right has a private business with that huge influence, that huge Marketing Budget to tell someone that theyre welcome go and theyre not welcome to go and buy drill in that store just buy a drill in that store just because their political views. Buy a drill in that store just bec exactlyzir political views. Buy a drill in that store just bec exactlyzir psame l views. Buy a drill in that store just bec exactlyzir psame asiews. Buy a drill in that store just bec exactlyzir psame as the. Its exactly the same as the debate having with nigel debate were having with nigel farage and banks, is it . Yes, of course it is, because is. Course it is, because it is. But you be getting your but would you be getting your knickers if he was knickers in a twist if he was saying, you know, you saying, well, you know, if you if you dont like gay people, you shouldnt come in the store. Presumably go, oh, presumably you then go, oh, well, know, no, no, well, no, you know, no, no, no, because wrong be homophobic because wrong to be homophobic because wrong to be homophobic because comes because when it comes to homophobia racism, there are homophobia and racism, there are laws against that. Homophobia and racism, there are lawabsolutely. |at. Homophobia and racism, there are lawabsolutely. Rightly so. But absolutely. Rightly so. But this peoples ordinary this is just peoples ordinary political views. Mean, political views. I mean, for instance, that voted instance, people now that voted brexit as being brexit are often seen as being in right wing, far right in extreme right wing, far right extremists, because those extremists, just because those on the left, those that wish to woke to label those woke wash, want to label those people as such, that then becomes kind normal. But but becomes kind of normal. But but the thing that get the other thing that i get concerned about whether these concerned about is whether these companies, it companies, whether it be Anheuser Busch, be Anheuser Busch, whether it be costa. Whether costa. And so on, whether they really believe what theyre saying or whether is saying or whether this is actually just some attempt at pr skulduggery like benetton. Do you remember benetton in the 80s and 90s where they had these very contrary herschel adverts, you know, babies that had just been born, priests kissing nuns and on. A clever marketeer or and so on. A clever marketeer or pr would say, look, lets pr person would say, look, lets be ultra controversial. Well get a bit of flak for a few weeks, but then ultimately people will remember our brand. So i think theres a lot of disingenuousness about this. Isnt there danger karl isnt there a danger this backfire as this could backfire as a Business Model that actually people russell will say, people like russell will say, hang dont want a hang on a minute, i dont want a shot politics with coffee. Shot of politics with my coffee. I want my coffee. I just want my coffee. Yeah, i agree. And i think it goes down the brand dna. Goes back to down the brand dna. I for example, on i think its, for example, on the the topic of coffee, the on the topic of coffee, i mean, where does that brand itself have the jurisdiction to comment on kind of comment on those kind of concerns . Very concerns . I think its very admirable that kind of want admirable that they kind of want to support in that way. But maybe theres a better way of doing it, perhaps. I think itll be very interesting to explore their behind it and their marketing behind it and what what research theyve done before that before before deploying this marketing plan. Deploying this marketing plan. So i think of carlsberg in the states, didnt they see a decline in sales after they went for a trans advert . And it for a trans advert . And it actually was a huge turn off . Yeah. Hows the bush . They lost 3 billion off their share price a consequence of taking price as a consequence of taking a position. Dont think a position. And i dont think that Companies Sell that Beer Companies that sell beer their beer should divide their audience. Mean, from a pnl audience. I mean, from a pnl point view , its ludicrous to point of view, its ludicrous to divide your audience, your Customer Base so that some decide to boycott you as miller lite or as costa or as wix or as ben and jerrys. And i think, yeah. So i was going to say, i think theyre trying to inclusive, but in a trying to be inclusive, but in a way of being inclusive in a way, maybe not doing kind of like maybe not doing it kind of like correctly, actually correctly, theyre actually alienating their, their alienating a lot of their, their customers. Was customers. And i think i was reading somewhere where they said 10 of their said they called 10 of their customers that that were going to stop shopping them. Hot to stop shopping with them. Hot air. And i think even for me, especially Small Business especially as a Small Business owner, doubt owner, i wouldnt even doubt i wouldnt even put one customer and call them like hot air, like that. Theres that. So i think theres definitely a language that needs to of like changed and to be kind of like changed and adopted that. And of adopted to that. And more of an inclusive 80 to, to, to be inclusive 80 to, to, to be inclusive in that way. But isnt there a for those people who and i get what youre saying about some of its pr campaigns right and some of some of it clearly is and all the logos changing to rainbow colours. Well, colours. You just think, well, do believe this or not . Im do they believe this or not . Im not absolutely convinced. However for those who are however for those people who are sort their money sort of putting their money where their mouth is, quite literally in some these literally in some of these cases, businesses who cases, as private businesses who need customers in and need to attract customers in and if they feel there is a moral duty, a moral need to say we need to accept this particular group of people, whoever it is , group of people, whoever it is, its their right to do so, isnt that implied . I mean, did anybody think that costa were anti trans or that costa were anti trans or that which were homophobic . No, that which were homophobic . No, no, no one needs to spend that disproportionate amount of budget and their influence to tell people the obvious. I totally get your point, except we are in a world now where there just seems to be a huge anti Trans Movement from people who dont really understand the issue, but not from corporates. Mean, no, not from i mean, no, not from corporates, from why corporates, but from their why do need say it from do they need to say it from their customers . Why do they need to say it so cant they influence customer . Influence a customer . No, no. No, no. But what theyre doing is but but what theyre doing is effectively alienating some that say, to hear this say, i dont want to hear this from the person that sells me coffee or a drill. Its a bridge too far. I mean, commercial entities only do they not entities as not only do they not have moral obligation or have that moral obligation or imperative preach, but its imperative to preach, but its commercial , commercial suicide. I mean, using example of using the example of Anheuser Busch 3 billion off their share price as a consequence of taking a position. I mean, how is that a clever thing to do . You know what . Costa coffee did, you know, to say that they are pro trans, which is obvious , is trans, which is obvious, is absolutely fine. And all well and good, but to do it in such a gratuity way is to glorify double mastectomies is i think is horrendous. Is horrendous. But you wouldnt want to see the end of i mean, there the end of esg. I mean, there are so many good things that have out of as have been born out of that, as you that about ethical you say, that are about ethical sourcing products , of making sourcing of products, of making sure take, for sure that we dont take, for example, too much palm oil or whatever might be in the whatever it might be in the planet, sure there planet, or make sure that there isnt labour in the way isnt slave labour in the way you produce your fabrics or your materials. These are all governance esg those governance by esg and those things be assumed, things should be assumed, implied regulated but implied and regulated even, but not the sleeve of people not worn on the sleeve of people that goods. That sell us consumer goods. Say, if we want to be as i say, if we want to be preached to, we can go to the houses of parliament, Speakers Corner houses of parliament, speakers cor|we should church at the we should put church at the top of that list. Russell if you dont mind me saying how religious are, well, religious you are, steve well, well, need to well, exactly. We should need to change ways. I mean, youve change in ways. I mean, youve got lot of work to do. Russell got a lot of work to do. Russell and thank both very and kyle, thank you both very much and good to see you this morning. Im sure youre going to view that, whatever to have a view on that, whatever it just say, lets just it is. I just say, lets just love one another and be nice. All holier than thou. Become all holier than thou. Become all holier than thou. Morning off to this morning hes off to church no church. Church to no church. Is on a wednesday church is on a wednesday church. On a wednesday. But i do think get a bit. Oh think that we do get a bit. Oh we can be a bit more tolerant , we can be a bit more tolerant, cant we . I certainly get the point of saying, do you need it shoved down your throats . Possibly not. But lets just let people their own lives. Now. Now. Now. Now, stay with us because coming up, discussing coming up, well be discussing whether yourself as whether you fancy yourself as a monster and were not monster hunter. And were not talking any old monster. Were talking any old monster. Were talking the loch ness monster , nessie. Were going to go and find her. Well tell you how right. We are going through the papers this morning with the political consultant emma burnell and the Deputy Editor of the spectator, freddie grey. Good morning both of you. Good morning to both of you. Once emma, were starting once again. Emma, were starting with mirror and is with the mirror and this is a story about mod contracts in particular tories slamming p o, but then gave them £600,000 contract. Yes so we may remember about about a year or so ago there was about a year or so ago there was a really big scandal where p o sacked their workers illegally. Sacked their workers illegally. You know, they followed no , none you know, they followed no, none of the Employment Law. Of the Employment Law. And they actually deemed to be illegal in the end, i cant remember. I think it was i mean, they literally followed no Employment Law procedures. And there was a lot of noise made about it from across the political spectrum. The argument they were offshore something. Something offshore or something. Something like that. Yeah law but the people waiting in the minibuses to take over the jobs not offshore. And jobs were not offshore. And anyway, the government made quite a strong, you know , noise quite a strong, you know, noise about how this shouldnt happen. It was appalling. Turns out it was appalling. Turns out theyre still giving them plenty of money in terms of mod contract its £600,000 a year to ferry around various bits of kit and personnel and a company to go out of business. Thats bad for the uk economy. Well, you can have another company that doesnt break Employment Law that gets that money. The money still stays in the uk economy. And the thing is, procurement. Is, is procurement. There another company but is there another company that do what p o are doing that can do what p o are doing in terms of military deployment . Well, theyre not theyre not deployment well, theyre not theyre not deploymenliterally ferrying theyre literally ferrying equipment to and fro. Yes, there are other companies that could do and also, of the do that. And also, one of the things you can do, too, things that you can do, too, with procurement, procurement is one biggest kind of ways one of the biggest kind of ways that government can can that the government can can drive behaviour, change. And they just dont seem to have doneit they just dont seem to have done it at all. I mean , you done it at all. I mean, you could signal quite clearly if you behave like this, you dont get government contracts well unless youre already working through a ten year contract. Well maybe, but i still dont. I think if maybe they should get a taste of their own medicine have their medicine and have their contracts by text, contracts terminated by text, isnt there . W well, look, its not to justify they in any justify what they did in any way, shape form, but we dont way, shape or form, but we dont want to get into that culture, do we, where someone does something you dont like, then you say, well, youve to be you say, well, youve got to be put of business or we say put out of business or we Say Something you dont like and someone says, well, thats all youve cancelled. Youve got to be cancelled. I completely individual i completely like individual cancel all of cancel culture de banking all of that. But theres that. Absolutely but theres a difference between that and literally treating british citizens as they did so appallingly that sacking them by text, you know that is that is not the mark of a good Successful Company that can run its business. Well therefore, why are they getting government contracts . Contracts . And freddie, you want to talk about holidays in particular staycations and the best thing about them, the best thing about them . Well, theres been a survey which was in the daily mail of what the brits like most about staycation , and it turns out staycation, and it turns out that its beer gardens. That its beer gardens. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. And nice day. And on a nice day. And on a nice day. Yeah. Yeah. But mean, you dont have to but i mean, you dont have to have staycation. Theres but i mean, you dont have to have staycation. Theres lots have a staycation. Theres lots of everywhere. Of beer gardens everywhere. Its having the yeah, but its having the time do it. Time to do it. Thats true. Thats true. Thats true. The thats true. The second thats true. The second thing is eating fish chips on the beach. Yeah. Yeah. Which is very nice without seagulls. That specified . Seagulls. Is that specified . Impossible. Well, thats impossible. Well, thats impossible. That an impossibility . Yeah. Oh, dont mind. Yeah. Oh, i dont mind. Yeah. Oh, i dont mind. In east london. I live in east london. Theres seagulls everywhere. Its not on here. Should be in there for me. Thats definition of staycation. You what, i think the i tell you what, i think the best thing about staycation is notyeah, on list, yeah, thats on the list, isnt it . Yeah say because i came i say this because i came back from france a couple of weeks ago, and on my way to the airport, easyjet cancelled the flight and then offered at flight and then offered one at sort near midnight. Yeah. Sort of near midnight. Yeah. And i two children not i had two Young Children not giving me compensation. Disgusting. Its not thats not a lot of fun. Is it . Also you can take as much luggage as you can fit in the car. Yeah, i know. But isnt that awful when youre all squashed in the kids are squabbling. You cant them. Cant escape them. My best friend. Go on me and my best friend. Go on a walking holiday every year. And me, the best thing about and for me, the best thing about that staycation, apart from the fact end up a pub, is fact that we end up in a pub, is that the beautiful british countryside. Weve countryside. Yeah. I mean, weve just seen some. Weve been to some assets. Suffolk, norfolk , some assets. Suffolk, norfolk, then we ran out of flat counties. So we went to wales. But absolutely, you know, exploring ing the british countryside more is something we could all be doing. Dont restrict yourself to flat counties. Well, we started we were starting on our walking holidays. We wanted to start off gently, we did up in gently, but we did end up in very much in the mountains of wales. So good. Please do. So good. Please do. So good. Please do. Theres so much in this country and our Great British isles that we dont appreciate. Were so keen head off were so keen to head off somewhere just for a bit of somewhere else just for a bit of sunshine. Much here. Sunshine. So much here. Absolutely beautiful. Absolutely beautiful. And theres going to be rest of is going be good. Of august is going to be good. Well. Well, well. Well, well. Up and down words better. Oh, better , worse. Oh, better, worse. Oh, better, worse. Lets put it that way. Lets put it that way. Lets put it that way. Warm and wet, i think freddie is the forecast. Speaking of wet water, firms can assume Climate Change will be low to cut costs. Yes, this is in the times, emma. Yeah. Half of the worlds on fire and yet Water Companies in the uk in order to cut their costs, can assume that they dont need to invest in the mitigation measures that were all going to need. And Companies Like theirs are particularly in particularly going to need in order to address Climate Change. I mean, there are definitely Things Companies could things Water Companies could be doing to cut bills. Doing to cut our bills. Certainly there are things that we all question where our moneys going when theyre not doing the things that theyre currently supposed to do. But i would say that this is it, would say that this is not it, the they be the thing that they should be doing, because ultimately its going much, more going to cost us much, much more if have to do these if they then have to do these mitigation measures much more quickly more expensively quickly, much more expensively in a shorter time scale because they havent done it. Now all right. Fair point. And i all right. Fair point. And i totally with how totally agree with you. How eveh totally agree with you. How ever. However, if there is part of the argument with this potentially be that were all paying potentially be that were all paying a fortune for our water, not enough is being done on the bafic not enough is being done on the basic stuff like raw sewage. If they climate they start implementing Climate Change mitigation. At the moment its just going to put our bills up. Well it might do, but it will. Overall, over the longer term, over the long, it will save us money. And this is the problem is that we are very short termist and we really need to get better at thinking about adaptation, mitigation. Some of the things that have happened are were very short are because were very short termist, our lack of reservoirs. Just been talking termist, our lack of reservoirs. How just been talking termist, our lack of reservoirs. How muchist been talking termist, our lack of reservoirs. How much itseen talking termist, our lack of reservoirs. How much its beenalking about how much its been raining. But do we have the right storage . No, we dont. So every theres hosepipe every year theres a hosepipe ban. Know, these are things ban. You know, these are things that could be doing, but we that we could be doing, but we need instead of need to think instead of thinking 3 we need thinking 2 to 3 years, we need to think 20 to 30 years. Agreed. Agreed. Speaking of sensible. And speaking of sensible. And speaking of sensible. Speaking of staycations well, speaking of staycations , complaints now about , a lot of complaints now about holidays is it you holidays in britain. Is it you know, swimming sometimes know, youre swimming sometimes youre sewage youre near sort of sewage because the Water Systems are very antiquated terrible. Very antiquated and terrible. Absolutely. Now yeah, absolutely. Now freddie, whats this in the guardian about what clearly freddie, whats this in the guardi. To about what clearly freddie, whats this in the guardi. To be ut what clearly freddie, whats this in the guardi. To be britainsclearly freddie, whats this in the guardi. To be britains bestly freddie, whats this in the guardi. To be britains best ever . Seems to be britains best ever . Pub . Pub . Well, i think pubs are a big theme in the papers which theme in the papers today, which i telling you i think is telling you something. Britains something. But britains strictest pub landlord, a guy called collins in york, has called sean collins in york, has has called time on on his career and hes retired. But but it seems largely because hes just exhausted of with telling people off because no swearing, no stag dos, no fancy dress sounds blooming brilliant. I think it blooming brilliant. I think it sounds like a great pub. It sounds like a great pub. It really is. I really wanted to go there, although he he said the difficult one was somebody put their feet stool and he their feet on a stool and he said, youve got leave. And said, youve got to leave. And there a big fuss about that. There was a big fuss about that. And also of my pub because and also out of my pub because hes because hes york , hes in because hes in york, theres the races and he says theres the races and he says the pre races is fine after the races. Its a nightmare. Races. Its a nightmare. Horrendous. Horrendous. And he this good line sympathise. Theres nothing worse than really people. Theres nothing worse than reaii mean people. Theres nothing worse than reaii mean yes ople. Theres nothing worse than reaii mean yes but. Theres nothing worse than reaii mean yes but he does run a i mean yes but he does run a pub. Pub. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah. Presumably as long as inebriated them then. So yeah. Presumably as long as yeah. |ebriated them then. Yeah. Yeah. I like this quote. He says its ten pints attitude its after ten pints of attitude adjustment. Fluid. Yes. Yes. Theyve completely changed. Yeah. And so he has to bar them but it sounds like a great pub and i hope the person who succeeds him is similarly strict i what did you just say . What did you just say . Theres nothing worse than really drunk people. Yeah. Really drunk people. Yeah. Nazanins wedding. Isabel. Yeah its all im going to say to you i not a good dance. You had a good dance. You were smashing. You were smashing. Has everyone been drunk at wedding . Yeah , i remember everything. Yeah, i remember everything. Yeah, i remember everything. I agree with you. Its other people being drunk. Its quite. Its not. Its quite. Its not. Its quite. Its not. I mean, the thing about this is its nice that some pubs are like this. Its nice that some pubs are different. Its what we want is choice pubs the want is a choice of pubs for the kind out that we want kind of nights out that we want to go on. Shes giving me the eye now. Shes giving me the eye now. Shes giving me the eye now. She is giving you the eye . She is giving you the eye . Were absolutely yeah. You were absolutely smashing. You were going a smashing. You were going on a houday smashing. You were going on a holiday night. Smashing. You were going on a hol i lay night. Smashing. You were going on a holi think night. Smashing. You were going on a holi think you ght. Smashing. You were going on a holi think you want to be one of i think you want to be one of my best im sure shes my best because im sure shes got too. I dont think. Got stories, too. I dont think. Oh there you go. I can take the moral high ground. Any more. I dont drink any more. I dont drink any more. Never tells any stories anymore. Thats why i gave up the drinking, though, because i used to get far too smashed. So yeah, ive been there. Terrible. All yeah, its terrible. All terrible. Just quickly do terrible. Can we just quickly do this just. 30s race this one . Just. Just in 30s race for chips in the feet because i thinking salt and vinegar. Yes. Computer chips. Oh lovely. Thought end lovely. Yeah, i thought wed end on serious story. Its on a very serious story. Its obviously the chip wars between china and america is a very, very big story. The Biden Administration is trying to limit chinas access to chips, but the big new chips are called nvidia chips because they work with al very well. China is massively trying to buy up this sort of gap in the supply. Several, four chinese firms are buying 5 billion worth of these chips. And the biden chips. And the Biden Administration is sort of trying to catch up and stop china getting hold of them because could understand why its really the most it is actually the most important story of our time in a way. Who controls computers . You would that well, you would choose that for the story of the last papeh i papeh i just started with pubs and then we move on to trade wars. Most important story of the most important story of our time. On that note, cheerio. And on that note, cheerio. And on that note, cheerio. The pub and then you go to the pub and then you have chips. Yeah fair point, emma. Freddie, thanks very much indeed. Great pleasure. Great pleasure. Great pleasure. Right. Were talking all things football now. The fifa womens world cup continuing womens world cup is continuing this england taking this weekend with england taking on the quarterfinals on colombia in the quarterfinals after surviving against after surviving a scare against nigeria in the round of 16. So how far can the lioness go . Lets talk to one former lioness , Lianne Sanderson , who lioness, Lianne Sanderson, who joins us now from glorious milton keynes, where i shall be heading back to straight after the show. Lianne, look , first the show. Lianne, look, first and foremost, what do you reckon our chances are . Yeah, i think obviously with regards to first and foremost, good morning, guys. Good morning. Our chances bracket, you know, you look at the other side, theres spain, netherlands, france , france, netherlands, france, france, they have to play against each other. Are lined up to other. So we are lined up to play other. So we are lined up to play australia. If we win this one colombia, australia one against colombia, australia , france our bracket and , play france in our bracket and we against them in the we play against them in the semi finals. So, you know, the chances are high. I dont think we played our best. So far, but at the time were still in at the same time were still in the tournament. Womens the tournament. Us Womens National are out. They were National Team are out. They were going world cup going for their third world cup in winning the world cup in a row, winning the world cup their a row. Germany their third in a row. Germany are canada are you are out. Canada are out. You know, brazil so the know, brazil are out. So the chances are definitely there. And obviously with the lionesses winning summer, winning the euros last summer, everybody falling with everybody falling in love with them. The time is now. Them. I think the time is now. So its definitely for the so its definitely there for the taking. With regards all taking. And with regards to all the being out , the other teams being out, theres tradition, theres always this tradition, isnt , though . Isnt there, though . We all our hopes just as we all get our hopes built then we somehow just built up, then we somehow just cant quite do it. The kind of choking thing kicks in. A lot of people been the people have been saying the lionesses far havent been lionesses so far havent been roaring through the tournament. There the stamping incident there was the stamping incident in against nigeria in the last game against nigeria is that a setback or are we just quietly working our way through this this time . Im i this tournament this time . Im i think its completely different this time around. I think when you look at choking, i think that because we won on penalties , i think won on penalties, i think theyre on the writing theyre on the right writing that that rule , to be that rewriting that rule, to be honest. Think obviously, honest. I think obviously, lauren that red lauren james picking up that red card really make sense card doesnt really make sense to me why she would do that. But everyones human. Think everyones human. I dont think she need to do public she needs to need to do public apologies someones she needs to need to do public a|red gies someones she needs to need to do public a|red card. Someones she needs to need to do public a|red card. These someones she needs to need to do public a|red card. These things ones she needs to need to do public a|red card. These things happen a red card. These things happen in the mens game every single week. Right, it week. Its not right, but it happens. So think theyre happens. So i think theyre quietly about their quietly going about their business. Were in a good place. We just to play way better we just need to play way better than been. Were than we have been. But were still tournament. We still in the tournament. We could worse off out could be far worse off being out of tournament already as the of the tournament already as the usa are. What is all this doing . Do you think . Build this you think . As we build this momentum, as you head into the last hopefully take it last eight and hopefully take it all whats it for all the way, whats it doing for womens football . Mean, it has womens football . I mean, it has been the whole game. Been behind the whole game. Theres been growing momentum theres been a growing momentum for of years, but for a number of years, but it seems be picking up pace now seems to be picking up pace now. Yeah, it does. So yeah, it does. And i think obviously people talk to me. Only retired three years ago and the misconception is that the quality has got better. No, the visibility is just there. You saw at the euros, the last summer, theres billboards on tower bridge, london bridge, and all over england, really. Like england, really. So its like anything, if dont know anything, if you dont know about something, how are you going go watch it . So i going to go and watch it . So i think the fact the lionesses won, theyre winning won, i think theyre winning over of people are over a lot of people that are still sceptical womens still sceptical of the womens game are still game because there are still people there. But i can tell people out there. But i can tell you now there was way more people messaging the people messaging me after the lionesses they want lionesses won saying they want to the womens game than to work in the womens game than there has because they there ever has been because they can it growing. Can see it growing. Much more work do you but how much more work do you think needs to do . Think the fa needs to do . Because i was just reminded of the fact that youve got 50 caps and forgotten about and youve got forgotten about by a couple years ago by the fa a couple of years ago when were, you know, when they were, you know, remembering marking womens remembering and marking womens football to football and they forgot to include they invite include you. They didnt invite you event. I mean, you to the event. I mean, theres like that where theres stuff like that where you just think its the institution itself which just isnt cause. Isnt helping the cause. At end of yeah, i think at the end of the day, im always open to people. You know, rectifying their. Obviously, their mistakes. Obviously, that was situation hurt me and their mistakes. Obviously, that was stilltuation hurt me and their mistakes. Obviously, that wasstill probably hurt me and their mistakes. Obviously, that wasstill probably six1urt me and their mistakes. Obviously, that wasstill probably six oft me and their mistakes. Obviously, that wasstill probably six of mea and its still probably six of me every single day. The way my International Career ended. But, you know, dont hold any bitterness resentment. You know, dont hold any bitterness resentment. Its bitterness or resentment. Its just the way it is. But i work behind the scenes closely. Ive been of parliament been to the house of Parliament Twice now, you know, for meetings about this type of stuff. Think the fa have stuff. And i think the fa have learnt mistakes and learnt from their mistakes and think now, know, theyve got learnt from their mistakes and ticoach w, know, theyve got learnt from their mistakes and ticoach in know, theyve got learnt from their mistakes and ticoach in there now, theyve got learnt from their mistakes and ticoach in there in w, theyve got learnt from their mistakes and ticoach in there in sarina ve got a coach in there in Sarina Wiegman wish i could almost wiegman i wish i could almost come retirement play come out of retirement to play for and you have to have for her and you have to have coaches and organisations where people know, people understand, you know, these me, but these things happen to me, but they dont happen to other players its not rocket players now. Its not Rocket Science why and science to work out why and i think seeing is believing and i think seeing is believing and i think seeing is believing and i think seeing people like think even seeing people like myself television, young myself on the television, young girls aspire that. Girls can aspire to be that. When i was growing up, you know, look pictures were look at all these pictures were seeing when i was growing seeing now. When i was growing up, i never those people, up, i never had those people, players used to players to look up to. I used to look up to serena and venus williams, who are amazing, but theyre tennis players and players like david beckham, you know, just wasnt know, because there just wasnt that visibility. Yes, i that visibility. So, yes, i think have from think they have learnt from their hopefully, their mistakes and hopefully, you can make better you know, i can make it better for everybody the for everybody else in the future. Unfortunately, have future. Unfortunately, i have to go things, it go through these things, it seems for it to be better for everybody else. But thats just the ive dealt with. The cards ive been dealt with. Youre blazer. Youre a trail blazer. Trail blazer, and youre a trail blazer, and hopefully lionesses will be hopefully the lionesses will be at this cup again. Just at this world cup again. Just tell team. You were to tell us one team. If you were to pick one team that are pick out one team that are really going to be the ones to beatin really going to be the ones to beat in the rest of this tournament if we are to all tournament if we are to go all the way . I mean, i think japan yeah, i mean, i think japan will get there. And i think the netherlands. Its with netherlands. So its about with regards japan or the regards to japan or the netherlands, i think theyre going i going to be difficult. But i think definitely do think england can definitely do it. I believe yeah, fingers crossed. Leanne, really good to see you this morning. Ill see you leanne, really good to see yo mkis morning. Ill see you leanne, really good to see yo mk centre1ing. Ill see you leanne, really good to see yo mk centre about ll see you leanne, really good to see yo mk centre about 1130e you leanne, really good to see yo mk centre about 1130 for u at mk centre about 1130 for a coffee you want. Coffee if you want. Yeah, definitely didnt realise were here, realise you were from here, so well have meet well definitely have to meet up. Definitely. Up. Oh, definitely. Really good to see you this morning. Thanks very indeed. Thank you. Indeed. Shes; you. Indeed. Shes great. Shes great. Very uplifting. Such a positive role model. Shes positive role model. And shes right. Girls will right. So many young girls will be to the lionesses be looking up to the lionesses in this. In all of this. Right. Lets see what the weathers going to do for you today. Heres greg. Like today. Heres greg. Looks like things up. Things are heating up. Boilers, proud sponsors boxed boilers, proud sponsors of gb news. Of weather on gb news. Hello there. Im greg hello there. Im Greg Dewhurst and welcome to your latest gb news Weather Forecast for the day ahead. Its looking fine and dry for many, plenty of sunny spells feeling much warmer than it has done for many weeks now this morning. Yes there now and this morning. Yes there is little bit of low cloud is a little bit of low cloud initially, should lift initially, but this should lift and and most places having and break and most places having and break and most places having a ahead. Plenty of blue a fine day ahead. Plenty of blue skies. The cloud will come skies. Yes, the cloud will come and go at times across Northern England, scotland, and england, parts of scotland, and then across some then well thicken across some western later on, perhaps western parts later on, perhaps an afternoon shower developing over parts wales, northern over parts of wales, Northern Ireland. But most dry. Ireland. But most places dry. And temperatures reaching and those temperatures reaching the mid to high 20s, 28 or 29 celsius possible towards the south east this afternoon. Weve not seen those temperatures for quite some time. Into the evening, though. We do see evening, though. We do see a weather front moving into the west and this will give some rain Northern Ireland rain to Northern Ireland and then wales, western then parts of wales, western scotland, england, scotland, southwest england, slowly pushing north and slowly pushing its way north and eastwards the night. Slowly pushing its way north and eastw. Of s the night. Slowly pushing its way north and eastw. Of this the night. Slowly pushing its way north and eastw. Of this rain the night. Slowly pushing its way north and eastw. Of this rain couldiight. Slowly pushing its way north and eastw. Of this rain could bet. Slowly pushing its way north and eastw. Of this rain could be heavy some of this rain could be heavy at across at times, particularly across scotland , very little in the scotland, very little in the south. And another warm , muggy south. And another warm, muggy night come. Temperatures night to come. Temperatures a minimum around 17 or 18 degrees. So a bit of a cloudier start to friday. There will be some bright or sunny spells. Rain, though, Northern England though, across Northern England and pushing and scotland. This pushing out the then itll be a day the way and then itll be a day of sunny spells and scattered showers across the country. Showers most frequent the showers most frequent in the brisk breeze towards the north and west. Of these and the west. Some of these heavy at times, some places will stay and the best of the stay dry and in the best of the sunshine towards the south east, temperatures around 25 or 26 celsius there still feeling quite here, little quite warm here, a little fresher towards the north west at looks like things are heating up. Boxed boilers proud sponsors of weather on gb news as. Coming up, the latest on one of the most serious data breaches in the history of Northern Ireland. Hey, good morning. Very nearly 9 00 on thursday, the 10th of august. Today, a second data breach in Northern Ireland. Now the chief constable under fire over concerns that Police Officers are in real danger for should ditching the European Convention on human rights be at the heart of the tories re Election Campaign . Thats what some cabinet members are demanding of pm. Members are demanding of the pm. But would the but would it solve the Immigration Crisis . Immigration crisis . You a monster hunter . And are you a monster hunter . Do you want to look for nessie . The Loch Ness Centre are calling on volunteers to join in the search. Well tell you why. Search. Well tell you why. And as always, well bring you your latest forecast. You your latest forecast. Hello. Well see temperatures rising through the course of the day today. Find out exactly how high later on in the programme with me. With me. Morning to you. Im stephen dixon. Im Isabel Webster and this is breakfast on. Is breakfast on. Gb news. Have you ever looked for nessie . No, because she doesnt exist i of course she does. Does . Of of course she does. Does . Of course she does. Right. Shes course she does. Right. Shes there somewhere. The search is ongoing. If you want to go up to the Loch Ness Centre, theyre organising a big search. Brilliant. Theyll find her. They will. Such a cynic. Oh, no. Very excited about that. You think they can send people into space, but they havent been able to search a little loch. Its very deep. The loch ness. We could. We could get down very deep bottom of the sea. Very deep and bottom of the sea. We can down to the bottom of we can get down to the bottom of the loch. No, its more difficult oh, no, its more difficult than you think. Me right. Prove me right. Vaiews gbnews. Com. Have you ever seen. Have you ever had a glimpse that some of you have . Glimpse that some of you have . You know, ive looked have you know, ive looked a lot, though. Have you been there . Have you been there . No. Yeah. Yeah no. Yeah. Yeah why does this not surprise me . 7 yeah, 7 yeah, but 7 yeah, but i 7 yeah, but i havent seen anything yet, but i live in hope. I anything yet, but i live in hope. I live in hope. I do not much hope in Northern Ireland, actually, to be fair, at the minute, the Police Federation there says urgent answers are required offered after details emerged of a second major data leak containing the names of more than 200 serving officers and staff. It comes after the worst Security Breach in Northern Irish history , where the names irish history, where the names and locations of the entire police force were mistakenly put onune police force were mistakenly put online for three hours. Lets talk to our Northern Ireland correspondent, dougie beattie, who joins us now. I mean, this is a nightmare, dougie , not only working out dougie, not only working out what has gone wrong, what has happened, and who needs to be responsible , but of course, the responsible, but of course, the everyday lives of thousands of people now really affected. People now really affected. Absolutely, stephen. I mean , absolutely, stephen. I mean, we are back to the bad old days here where i mean, friends of mine would never have said that their mothers or fathers worked in Police Service because in the Police Service because they were afraid of being targeted dont there targeted. Dont forget, there was over 300 Police Officers killed in Northern Ireland in the height of the troubles only last february, we had dci John Caldwell attempt on his life and the policing board. Will we the policing board. Will we stand outside . No, not this particular location. But the one before this actually had a bomb put outside it by the ira. So Police Officers are really still being targeted. And for the being targeted. And for the details and such detailed details and such detailed details that were put online, i mean, we had the surname, the first initial the location , the first initial the location, the service number, you know , all service number, you know, all the details that you would just need to go to Something Like the electoral register and put the rest of it together. Jigsaw did. To those officers are now really feeling quite cautious about their lives. Theyll be back to checking their car every morning and starting it with a door opening. They will be looking opening. They will be looking very much did. The gate was the gate closed at the top of the driveway when they left . Had somebody else been there that is a terrible way to live your life. And unfortunately , that life. And unfortunately, that data has brought lot data breach has brought a lot of that pour more fuel that back. And to pour more fuel onto the flames, it turns out that the start of july , there that at the start of july, there was laptop taken from a car, was a laptop taken from a car, a private laptop or a private car in newtownabbey. It was a police laptop. And it turns out that it has the details of 200 officers on it. So the chief constable has come back from his holidays today to face his political masters here at the policing board behind us. But really, those political masters arent in control of this. The ball is really at the foot of the Police Federation in at this point because the Police Federation are the ones that have or want questions to be answered for his rank and file officers. Okay , dougie, thank you. Okay, dougie, thank you. Okay, dougie, thank you. Well, lets speak now to the former liberal democrat minister, norman baker, who joins us in the studio. Good morning to you, norman. First of all, thoughts whats all, your thoughts on whats been significant data breach been a significant data breach in Northern Ireland and serious concerns not only for those affected, but also for the job of the top brass there . Well, indeed, its very serious indeed. And the serious indeed. And the situation in Northern Ireland is less stable than was brexit, less stable than it was brexit, i think, has put pressure on the good friday agreement, particularly through the dup, not to be part of a an not wishing to be part of a an arrangement at stormont and thats dysfunctional at the moment between the dup and sinn fein. But you know, theres a question about this laptop. I mean, what on earth was someone doing with a laptop with 200 names and details in their car . I mean, from my experience at the home office, that sort of material should ever material should never, ever leave should have been leave hq. It should have been kept headquarters. Kept at police headquarters. Theres reason that. Theres no reason for that. Being in someones car. It doesnt need to leave hq. Theyre releasing it anyway. Indeed they well, i mean, indeed they are. Now problem . Are. Now well,am . Are. Now well, they are now. Thats a double breach. Mean, it does double breach. I mean, it does suggest me that there are suggest to me that there are serious questions to be answered about security in Northern Ireland. You what, ireland. Ill tell you what, though, you though, with all the and you raise absolutely points, right. Heads could well roll and heads could well roll over all the rest of over this and all the rest of it. But that doesnt address the real it, that youve real issue, does it, that youve got in excess of 10,000 names released theyre out released out and theyre out there. Danger is there now there. The danger is there now what on earth do you do to tackle it . Well, you cant do very much to tackle it. I mean, in the same way as, you know, somebody wants to bomb in london underground, you cant really stop it. You can take stop them doing it. You can take some precautions. Some sensible precautions. You can in and matters like can put cctv in and matters like that, can improve security that, you can improve security at peoples houses. In terms of northern to make Northern Ireland and to make sure proper advice sure theyve got proper advice on how to protect themselves, to make windows are make sure windows are bullet proof, that sort of bullet proof, if that sort of thing. Ultimately, you know, thing. But ultimately, you know, if released and if information is released and somebody wants to use it, they will it. And you cant you will use it. And you cant you cannot thousands cannot protect thousands of people 24 basis. You cant. Do you think that sacking the chief inspector there is the answer in all of this, or perhaps that could be, you know, throwing the baby out with the bath water . Well, i think are well, i think there are questions as questions to be answered as to why the situation has arisen. And needs to be an and that needs to be an investigation that investigation to that and anything pre empts that anything which pre empts that would be unfortunate because it may well be that the individual concerned is not responsible. We just dont know yet. Lets find out facts. But i would out the facts. But what i would say its very easy to call say is its very easy to call for someone to be sacked or to be it, and that gives be replace it, and that gives a certain satisfaction on an immediate people. Immediate basis to people. But that be right answer that may not be the right answer if disable houses, the police if it disable houses, the police even that may not be even further, that may not be the outcome. The good outcome. Ask you about the can i ask you about the European Convention human European Convention on human rights . The cabinet rights . Third of the cabinet want it. Apparently its want out of it. Apparently its good campaigning the good campaigning issue for the general in it may general election in well, it may be good campaigning issue, but its flawed. Its deeply flawed. Number of conservative its a number of conservative mps said, i see mps themselves have said, i see bob neill, the chair of the justice committee, coming out and criticising have to and criticising it. You have to remember, isnt the flawed . Remember, isnt the echr flawed . No i dont think it is. I think you have to remember where it came it came from the came from. It came from the fallout from the second world war. He was partly created by britain , as a matter of fact, to britain, as a matter of fact, to try to make sure that what happenedin try to make sure that what happened in the 1930 couldnt happened in the 1930 couldnt happen again. Thats the origin of it, to make sure individual rights are protected. And its not the rights, the way, not just the rights, by the way, of coming into the of people coming into the country. As country. Its our rights as british citizens, our ability to go to the courts against perhaps an overweening government at some point and to say, no, the government shouldnt be doing that. We have our rights as a democracy, freedom of speech, freedom of association, things that gb news regularly champions, quite rightly. And we champions, quite rightly. And we want those protected. And if you want those protected. And if you abandon the echr , you take away abandon the echr, you take away the rights of british people. But is there not a possibility that we could actually stand up for ourselves and have our own set of human rights and uphold those without needing that jurisdiction above us . Well, you know who says that russia says that, doesnt it . About citizens. Belarus about its citizens. Belarus says that its citizens that we about its citizens. Belarus says that our its citizens that we about its citizens. Belarus says that our own citizens that we about its citizens. Belarus says that our own system. That we about its citizens. Belarus says that our own system. And we about its citizens. Belarus says that our own system. And look have our own system. And look what the government does there. It over the human it tramples over the human rights their citizens. Rights of their own citizens. No, need a robust no, we need to have a robust system which is able to challenge government the challenge the government of the day uk and say no, day here in the uk and say no, thats not for british thats not right for british people. Echr has that people. And the echr has that mechanism of course its mechanism. Of course its reached judgements some reached judgements which some of us disagree over the us may disagree with over the years issue, for example, years as an issue, for example, about when how prisoners about when and how prisoners should to that should be allowed to vote. That was that the was one of the issues that the echr with, so we wont echr dealt with, so we wont agree all all their agree with all their all their decisions, they are an decisions, but they are an essential bulwark in democracy essential bulwark in a democracy against the overweening government and we need to keep it okay. Well, norman baker, as always, thanks very much. Shocking new figures now shocking new figures revealed that a Treasury Fund originally designed to profit from the bank of englands Quantitative Easing Programme has turned from a £736 Quantitative Easing Programme has turned from a £73. 6 billion asset into a £177. 6 billion liability. Im here to tell us more about it. Is the shadow financial secretary to the treasury, james murray. Good morning to you, mr murray. Good morning to you, mr murray. Youve spotted this huge liability. What would labour do liability. What would labour do about it . About it . Well, look, we know that people across the country are already being squeezed by this seemingly never ending cost of living crisis under the conservatives and these figures today show that people face yet another hit because of economic mismanagement by this government. You know, if you trace back where this came from, it was first began by George Osborne in 2013 when he changed the rules about the treasury profiting from the value of the assets as the situation started to get worse under rishi sunak when he was in charge as chancellor. But he was very complacent about it and obviously under kwasi kwarteng, a crisis became an emergency and now we have this astonishing and shocking situation where what was the biggest asset on the treasurys Balance Sheet three years ago is now its biggest liability. And what that means in practical terms for people across the country is the british people are going to once again pick up the price of the conservatives economic failure , right . So if i just come back to the question, though, what would you do this out, assuming do to sort this out, assuming you to win power year you were to win power next year and youve identified this problem, whats your solution . Problem, whats your solution . Well , at the absolute problem, whats your solution . Well, at the absolute heart of what we are saying we would do in power is economic responsibility to build a more resilient economy , to build resilient economy, to build a more stable economy , and to make more stable economy, and to make sure we get our economy back on track and growing again. And, you know, i think what this really shows is the kind of the recklessness and the mismanagement over the last 13 years. Thats something that years. And thats something that weve heart of our weve put at the heart of our offer we would change by offer that we would change by making would be making clear that we would be economically and economically responsible and stable government. But mr stable in government. But mr murray, this is a red herring, isnt it . Mean, you say the british i mean, you say the british pubuc i mean, you say the British Public pick up the public left to pick up the pieces, up the tag of pieces, pick up the price tag of this, labour partys sort of this, the labour partys sort of listed that its equivalent listed that its the equivalent to best part of £9,000 per person in the country. We person in the country. We havent lost any. We havent lost money at all. Its not a black hole, is it . The value has decreased, which is a perfectly valid worry. But until you try and do anything with that money, if we sit there , let it grow if we sit there, let it grow again. Were sitting pretty, arent. We arent. We well, alongside the decrease in the value of the assets or the assets now become a huge liability. Theres also been changes to the calculations about the lifetime cost going from profit into a cost to the taxpayer. So its very clear taxpayer. So its very clear that this fall in the asset value, such a dramatic fall in the asset value will have an impact and will have a cost on the british taxpayer, because at the british taxpayer, because at the end of the day, you know, its our money. We end up paying for it and this will a for it and this will be a liability which hangs over us, which means that ultimately british people will have to pay for it through their taxes or the wont be able to the government wont be able to do that we think do other stuff that we think should done instead. Should be done instead. Want to ask you, i just want to ask you, whilst you about some whilst weve got you about some breaking that were just breaking news that were just hearing, government have hearing, government figures have been show the been released and they show the number people crossing the number of people crossing the engush number of people crossing the english boats English Channel on small boats in the five and a half in the last five and a half years could have passed 100,000 following arrivals on thursday. There saying that as of tuesday, 99,960 people arrived in the uk after making that journey in rnli lifeboat were spotted bringing dozens of those ashore. Your reaction to that milestone , please, mr. Murray milestone, please, mr. Murray well, look, i think you know, any milestone in terms of numbers of people crossing the channel really underscores what a huge problem this is. You know, i dont think anyone needs any convincing that people crossing the channel has surged in recent years, that its a really a significant issue. It needs to be tackled. You know, what people want to see, is Real Solutions see, though, is Real Solutions to tackling this problem. And thats that we thats why weve said that we would the people would go after the people smugglers, criminal smugglers, the criminal gangs who bringing people over in who are bringing people over in the first place to make sure that cut that off at source that we cut that off at source and that they cant and make sure that they cant profit from people crossing the channel boats and channel on on boats and obviously, you know, leading to the deaths of some people when those in the channel. Those boats sink in the channel. Now, what we really need is that kind of solution alongside tackling the backlog in the asylum and immigration system, which know of control which we know is out of control and which we know is causing the government use expensive government to use Expensive Hotels and other hotels and barges and other forms of accommodation. We need forms of accommodation. We need that plan to get on top of the situation because frankly, the conservatives have presided over 13 failure this and 13 years of failure on this and theyve created this chaos which now needs to be fixed. Yeah, well, that what yeah, well, isnt that what the governments terms the governments doing in terms of deal with turkey thats of the deal with turkey thats all about tackling criminal all about tackling the criminal gangs, it . Well, look , gangs, isnt it . Well, look, theyve had 13 years and they keep bringing back new bits of legislation. They keep making new announcements. They have headune announcements. They have headline grabbing gimmicks here, there and everywhere , trying to there and everywhere, trying to distract from central distract from the central problem is that the problem here, which is that the backlog gone up backlog has gone up dramatically. There has been a huge in number of huge increase in the number of people on channel people coming over on channel crossings. Have serious crossings. They have a serious and organised crime strategy that doesnt even mention and organised crime strategy that doe crossings. Nention and organised crime strategy that doe crossings. Theyon and organised crime strategy that doe crossings. They just channel crossings. They just havent got on top of this issue at all. And i think after 13 years, you know, people have given up that they might given up hope that they might have within them to get on have it within them to get on top and thats why we top of it. And thats why we need government, a labour need a new government, a labour government, really get on top government, to really get on top of this. Government, to really get on top of tjames murray, good to see james murray, good to see you. Thanks much indeed. You. Thanks very much indeed. Well, breaking well, on that breaking news, lets home and lets talk to our home and security editor white, security editor mark white, whos the studio. Whos here in the studio. I mean, this is a milestone figure, isnt it . Its huge. And mean, this is a milestone figlgoingit it . Its huge. And mean, this is a milestone figlgoing to it . Its huge. And mean, this is a milestone figlgoing to emphasise. And mean, this is a milestone figlgoing to emphasise actually its going to emphasise actually how important how how important an election issue to be. Yeah issue this is going to be. Yeah listen, its uppermost in the minds of people across the minds of many people across the country because they see on country because they see it on a daily with Asylum Seekers daily basis with Asylum Seekers being put in hotels, in towns and cities right across the uk. And cities right across the uk. So this is not just an issue thats confined to kent and the crossings around dover and that area. It affects people right area. It affects people right across the country. And this 100,000 figure weve been waiting for a number of days for that , a waiting for a number of days for that, a landmark figure to be reached. We can confirm that reached. We can confirm that this morning. Reached. We can confirm that this morning. Now, five small this morning. Now, five small boats took advantage of a break in the weather. Weve had atrocious conditions over recent days. Atrocious conditions over recent days. Five small boats have made days. Five small boats have made it. 250 people have come across it. 250 people have come across and that takes us over the 100,000 mark since this crisis began. Really in 2018. You remember back in 2018, there was only just over 200 people that crossed in a few small boats. Back then. But then it just back then. But then it just began to take off. And year after year it doubled and tripled. And theres no sign of it abating at all, despite the Prime Minister saying its one of his key pledges , one of his of his key pledges, one of his five key pledges of this government is to stop the small boats, the only thing thats been stopping the small boats is the weather conditions. Well, interesting also to see the reports that the rnli were helping, assisting many of those this morning. As you talk about those boats arriving on uk shores today. This morning, the rnli back out there. There have been criticism levelled at the rnli, least by nigel farage. Rnli, not least by nigel farage. Theyve been a taxi service effectively for Illegal Migrants. Yeah. And the rnli would absolutely deny that. And say that they have a duty to respond to these less than seaworthy the boats coming across and often less than ideal conditions. Ive got more on this actually. There got more on this actually. There are reports now that six people, six migrants might be in the water that have either been washed overboard or fallen overboard from this boat. So theres a full Emergency Response to dungeness just down the kent coast from dover. Well the kent coast from dover. Well update you when we get more details on that. But what happens, of course, is because the weather has been so bad of late, its been largely impassable for these small boats to get across the channel because the waves, anything over are, you know, a metre or so in height. And its very difficult for them. So when the weather abates to the point they think they can make it, they push off. But its still not flat calm out there. And its, you know, the wave might hit them. It could be the wake from one of the big passing container ships. Its a busy shipping lane as well. But this 100,000 figure, it is , i this 100,000 figure, it is, i think, a very significant, major milestone that will no doubt just set fire again on to this debate. Therell be a Huge National discussion. National discussion. Okay, mark, as always, thank you. Now were asking after this whether or not you fancy yourself as a bit of a monster hunter because the Loch Ness Centre are calling for volunteers to join their search for the tannoy this is the final call for all Long Distance lovers. Im flying round the world to marry a man that ive never met. How do i know that youre even the person you say you are . Please fasten your seatbelts. Maybe were not actually supposed to be in this relationship. As we expect turbulence ahead. Can you not see my insides breaking . How far would you go for love . Brand new 90 day fiance uk, available to stream only on discovery . Watch at no extra cost. Say, get discovery into your voice remote to activate. Beast do you want to find nessie . Yes, of course you do. Lets find out how you do it. From paul nixon from the Loch Ness Centre, which is opening its doors to help us all search for the beast. Morning, paul. Whats going on . Good morning to you there. Yes, we are going to be conducting the largest surface watch of loch ness since 1972. So were calling out for volunteers to come and help with the hunt for probably one of our longest standing mysteries. Longest standing mysteries. Thats thats still going today i i i mean, lam i mean, its a mystery because its nonsense, isnt it, isabel theres no such thing as a loch ness monster. So disappointing. Did you think that i know if you were to take a trip to loch ness, take a walk along the banks, youd have your eyes on the water. It your eyes on the water. And it doesnt whether doesnt matter whether youre a sceptic, a cynic, or a true believer. Whenever anyone visits loch looking for loch ness, they are looking for the loch ness monster. You cant help it. Its in your dna. Absolutely. And i tell you what, beautiful place to what, its a beautiful place to go. Course, nessie is in go. And of course, nessie is in there somewhere. Many there somewhere. Far too many sightings all to be to be sightings for it all to be to be made up. And you never know. You made up. And you never know. You look, paul , this might be the look, paul, this might be the time you get some decent quality images. Images. Yes. I images. Yes. I think everything to now is pointed us towards a phenomena in the area. You know, from 565 to saint columba being written up in a religious text that he banished the beast in the loch to aldie mackay sighting 890 years ago in 1933, which really kicked off this global phenomenon. And theres not a corner of the planet you can visit where someone hasnt heard of the ness monster. Heard of the loch ness monster. Is true. Its good for this is true. Its good for tourism and wish you well in your hunt and suspect youre your hunt and i suspect youre going it. But thats not going to need it. But thats not to say i dont think it sounds a good sport, and hope everyone good sport, and i hope everyone has great time having a good has a great time having a good look oh ill tell look for nessie. Oh ill tell you what. Sit on the banks of loch to sit on the banks of loch ness cup of tea and a box ness with a cup of tea and a box of shortbread. Nothing nicer. Perfect nothing nicer. Perfect paul nixon. Thank you. Paul nixon. Thank you. Very much indeed. Thank you very much indeed. Thank you very much indeed. Thats from us on thats it from us on breakfast up next, its breakfast today. Up next, its britains newsroom with martin breakfast today. Up next, its brit. Emily. Ewsroom with martin breakfast today. Up next, its britlemily. Letsom with martin breakfast today. Up next, its britlemily. Lets see nith martin breakfast today. Up next, its britlemily. Lets see what iartin and emily. Lets see what theyve store for us all theyve got in store for us all today. It is indeed. Theyve got in store for us all tod whatis indeed. Theyve got in store for us all tod what have eed. Theyve got in store for us all tod what have we. Theyve got in store for us all tod what have we got coming up, martin . Well, following those breaking news figures, 100,000 have dinghies have arrived by illegal dinghies since 2018. Have mark since 2018. Well have mark white across does it white all across that. Does it prove that we finally lost control of our borders . And would you vote conservative if they put ditching the echr at the heart of Election Campaign . Of their Election Campaign . It time to and finally, is it time to boot . Diane out of boot . Diane abbott out of politics after her outrageous attack lee anderson . Attack on lee anderson . Yet another tweet from diane. Oh, dear. Well, all of that to come and more, of course, after your all important weather. Your all important weather. The temperature is rising. The temperature is rising. Boxt solar proud sponsors of weather on. Gb news. Weather on. Gb news. Hello there. Im Greg Dewhurst and welcome to your latest gb news Weather Forecast for the day ahead. Its looking fine and dry for many, plenty of sunny spells feeling much warmer than it has done for many weeks now. And this morning, yes, there is a little bit of low cloud initially, should cloud initially, but this should lift and most places lift and break and most places having ahead. Plenty having a fine day ahead. Plenty of blue skies. Yes, the cloud will come and go at times across Northern England, of Northern England, parts of scotland and then well thicken across western parts across some western parts later on, shower on, perhaps an afternoon shower developing of wales , developing over parts of wales, Northern Ireland, but most places dry and those places dry. And those temperatures reaching the mid to high 20s 28 or 29 celsius possible towards the south east this afternoon. Weve not seen this afternoon. Weve not seen those temperatures for quite some time into the evening, though do see a weather front though we do see a weather front moving and this moving into the west and this will some rain northern will give some rain to Northern Ireland of wales, ireland and then parts of wales, western southwest western scotland, southwest england slowly pushing its way north and eastwards the north and eastwards through the night. This rain could north and eastwards through the nigheavy this rain could north and eastwards through the nigheavy at this rain could north and eastwards through the nigheavy at times,; rain could north and eastwards through the nigheavy at times, particularly be heavy at times, particularly across scotland, very little in the south. And another warm, muggy night to come. Temperatures minimum around 17 temperatures a minimum around 17 or 18 degrees. So a bit of a cloudier start to friday. There will be some bright or sunny spells. Rain, though, across Northern England and scotland and way and this pushing out the way and then itll be a day of sunny spells and scattered showers across the country, showers most frequent brisk breeze frequent in the brisk breeze towards the north and the west. Some of these heavy at times, some places will stay dry. And in best the sunshine in the best of the sunshine towards south east, towards the south east, temperatures or 26 temperatures around 25 or 26 celsius. Still feeling quite celsius. So still feeling quite warm fresher warm here, a little fresher towards the north west the temperatures rising, boxt solar, proud sponsors of weather on. Gb news till the morning. Its 930 on thursday, the 10th of august. This is britains newsroom with myself, Martin Daubney and emily carver. It is indeed so the number of migrants who have crossed the channel has breached the 100,000 mark, despite repeated pledges from the government to stop people arriving by this route. People arriving by this route. And some Senior Tories are demanding we ditch the European Convention on human rights and that that should be at the heart of the tories re Election Campaign. Well, havent we heard all of this before or is it a surefire vote winner . Let us know. And apparently were creating a generation of whats called guppies for in ten under 40 given up on home under 40 have given up on Home Ownership completely. Thats due to living costs. And of to high living costs. And of course, being unable to afford a deposit. How do we make it easier to get on the housing. Easier to get on the housing. Market and theres a new £0. 50 coin celebrating the kings coronation but its gone into circulation today and they can be picked up from post offices and Bank Branches. Wed love to hear from if wed love to hear from you if youve managed get your mitts wed love to hear from you if yotone. Nanaged get your mitts on one. And as always, please do get in touch. Vaiews gbnews. Com. Were going be showing you were going to be showing you a tweet abbott. We want tweet by diane abbott. We want to view on it. Should to get your view on it. Should she that . She get the sack for that . Should she get the boot