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Prompted the defendant to behave in the way he did . The in the way he did . The explanation he has offered at various times to the medical professionals who have spoken to him and in his own pronouncements before his arrest. It has been that the events on the 25th of december were prompted by injustice, including the amritsar massacre. He felt the amritsar massacre. He felt the amritsar massacre. He felt the need to avenge these matters. The defendant has not given evidence before me and so there is nothing from him, from the witness box to contradict or undermine or qualify this. There is no burden upon him to do so. I simply record the fact to reflect the state of the evidence i have approached the accounts he has given with care and caution for the obvious reason that there are clear concerns about his mental state. Whatever the precise diagnosis at different times , of course, at different times, of course, dr. Hafferty concluded that the defendant was fit to be interviewed by the police. In interviewed by the police. In february 2022. As time has passed it, his health has improved. While he has been in improved. While he has been in the care of broadmoor hospital, he has been fit to plead since at least the 3rd of february 2023, when he entered his pleas of guilty. Its not suggested of guilty. Its not suggested that he did not say any of the things he is recorded as. Having said , i have to decide whether said, i have to decide whether he was accurate in what he said and how much weight should be attached to his accounts at different stages. On the 21st different stages. On the 21st stroke, 22nd february 20th, 23, he told dr. Brown that he had thought that joining the ministry of Defence Police would be a cool job, but that the training he would get would help in relation to thoughts he had begun to develop, which would eventually result in these offences. He speculated that if offences. He speculated that if he had actually got the job there would not have been any likelihood he would have gone on to commit the offence he had a similar thought process in relation to the army. On the relation to the army. On the 27th of february 2023, he told dr. Brown that he felt in early life that he had had an idea about seeking revenge for something, but was not sure if it was partition or the 1919 massacre for these early ideas had receded during secondary school but came back during the stroke after college age on the 6th of march 2023, he told professor blackwood that he had been angered by the events of the 1919 massacre when he had travelled to amritsar with his family in 2018. He said that he conceived of a plan in early 2021 to imbue his life with purpose by assassinating the queen, principally to avenge the massacre. He accepted that some massacre. He accepted that some of his Employment Application means, for example, to the ministry of defence, police and the grenadier guards were motivated by a desire to get close to the royal family. I am close to the royal family. I am sure that what he told professor blackwood does represent the truth about these applications , truth about these applications, which the defendant was in a position to know when he said it. I am sure that he would not have been influenced by any desire at that stage to backdate his purpose or intention so as to make them appear of longer standing than they in fact were. I am sure that these applications were made at a time when he was not psychotic. Ic when he was not psychotic. Ic i accept and appreciate that psychosis may develop over time. However, he was able to work. He was living at home and not giving cause for concern in a way that might be expected if he was detaching from reality to the extent of becoming psychotic. That was the effect of dr. Hagertys evidence. I am sure hagertys evidence. I am sure that he was culpable to a significant and substantial degree at the time of the applications. However by the time of the offences on 25th december 2021, i can accept that the defendant had lost touch with reality such that he had become psychotic. The defendant become psychotic. The defendant had entered Windsor Castle dressed it in the apparel of a sith lord, which included an iron mask that he had had made at a forge armed with a loaded crossbow and intending to kill the queen later, he remembered that sarai had said that his purpose was to live , and so he purpose was to live, and so he abandoned his plan. When he made abandoned his plan. When he made no apparent attempt to discard or hide the crossbow and or the bolt, or to keep his earlier intentions to himself if he volunteered them to police. He volunteered them to police. He had made a video recording in which he said that he was darth kaja kallas, a sith lord. He was not, of course, darth chalice or a sith lord at all. He said that he wanted to be buried in the sith lord clothing in hospital. He would not allow the clothing to be removed from him. There to be removed from him. There is, in my judgement, good evidence from the journal that he either thought he was becoming or would become darth callous. A sith lord. By the 25th december 20, 21, or that darth chalice was emerging out of him in some way. He had spent much of the month in communication with an ai chat bot as if she was a real person or as if she was giving him access to an entity called sarai. Whilst he did engage in what has been described as reality testing on occasions , i think testing on occasions, i think there is force in dr. Hagertys contention that he did not accept the results and continued to assert that he and sarai would be united after his anticipated death. That was obviously a signifying departure from reality. His belief that he from reality. His belief that he was communicating with an angel via the chat bot is properly described in all the circumstance ounces as a delusional belief and is a reasonable possibility that what began as imaginary friends following childhood trauma now manifested in a different way as he detached from reality. I am he detached from reality. I am also of the view that by december the 25th, the defendant appears to have held a delusional belief that his lifes purpose was to avenge injustice , including the injustice, including the amritsar massacre. In this amritsar massacre. In this context , first, dr. Brown is context, first, dr. Brown is right to draw attention to how the defendant expressed himself on the 26th and 27th december about, for example , being chosen about, for example, being chosen for a special purpose, as i have already set out. To summarise, already set out. To summarise, taking full account of the overall picture, i think that weight is to be attached by the 25th of december and in the preceding days to these three aspects of how the defendant viewed his purpose , his viewed his purpose, his identification as darth kaja kallas and his belief that he could communicate through a chat bot with an entity called sarai with which he would be reunited after death. In the event sarai after death. In the event sarai did not disappear until after the commencement of Antipsychotic Medication action, the defendant was distressed at the defendant was distressed at the prospect of her disappearance if she was under his control , disappearance if she was under his control, he ought to have been able to summon her as and when he wished. And the three male entities disappear before the start of medication. That the start of medication. That this can, in my judgement , this can, in my judgement, reasonably be attributed to the therapeutic environment in which therapeutic environment in which the defendant was being held at the defendant was being held at the time. I the defendant was being held at the time. I have the defendant was being held at the time. I have considered and the time. I have considered and followed the sentencing guidelines for mentally disordered offenders and i have had regard to the extent of the defendants ability to exercise appropriate judgement and to make rational choices and to understand the nature and consequences of his actions. Consequences of his actions. These are assessments for me to make in the light of everything i know about the case in between the applications to the military in the earlier part of 2021 and the events of 25th december, the defendant took a number of steps in preparation for the proposed killing. He looked for example, killing. He looked for example, to obtain a firearm on the dark web. He then ordered the web. He then ordered the crossbow and practised with it. Crossbow and practised with it. He obtained other equipment which he took with him, with him on his trip to windsor. He had made researches on the internet in september. As i have set out in september. As i have set out , dr. Brown and dr. Hafferty think he would have been psychic. Uk at that stage. I am not able. Uk at that stage. I am not able to say for sure. When the to say for sure. When the defendant first became psychotic , although september is i think the earliest time , absolute the earliest time, absolute precision is not possible because as has been said in the evidence , there are degrees of evidence, there are degrees of psychosis or degrees of departure from reality and mental disorder may fluctuate. Mental disorder may fluctuate. But in my judgement, the defendants responsibility for the offences is still significant. He had conceived of killing the queen earlier in 2021 when he was not psychotic. He took steps to try and get closer to his target and to learn useful skills when again , learn useful skills when again, he was not psychotic. Thereafter he was not psychotic. Thereafter he was not psychotic. Thereafter he became psychotic by a process s he did not suddenly become completely psychotic at the time of committing the offence is without any progression or warning. Even as he progressed warning. Even as he progressed into psychosis, he appears to have been insightful on occasions about his condition, which fluctuated the psychosis attached itself to his pre existing preoccupations as i heard in evidence could happen. Heard in evidence could happen. Theidea heard in evidence could happen. The idea he had of killing the sovereign was not itself a product of mental illness. It predated that. And he had certainly never become incoherent or begun engaging in disorganised conduct, which would be indicative of more pervasive psychosis. He pervasive psychosis. He undertook the purchases and made the preparations. I have set out without revealing what he was really up to. It is convenient really up to. It is convenient at this stage to deal with the question of Autism Spectrum Disorder. I question of Autism Spectrum Disorder. I think it is reasonable to conclude , reasonable to conclude, reasonable to conclude, reasonable to conclude that the defendant has this condition. I defendant has this condition. I do not overlook the fact that professor blackwood came to a different conclusion at broadmoor. Doctor murphy has particular expertise in Autism Spectrum Disorder , and he spectrum disorder, and he concluded that the Available Evidence was consistent with the defendant having the disorder. Defendant having the disorder. Dr. Hafferty and dr. Brown are of the same view. They concede of the same view. They concede that the defendant is not at the severe end of the spectrum. Um, severe end of the spectrum. Um, professor blackwood was only able to spend a limited amount of time with the defendant four hours or so. He is in no way to be criticised for that. However doctors murphy hafferty and brown have had the defendant under their care as a patient over a long period of time. As over a long period of time. As a result , i over a long period of time. As a result, i can over a long period of time. As a result , i can attach over a long period of time. As a result, i can attach more over a long period of time. As a result , i can attach more weight result, i can attach more weight to the impression that they have formed as to matters such as inflexible adherence to routines , ritualised patterns of verbal and nonverbal behaviour and restricted and fixated interests. Dr. Brown and dr. Hafferty were of the view that Autism Spectrum Disorder could predispose those the defendant to a psychotic episode that is its principal relevance. Its principal relevance. Although i shall make allowance for the defendants although i shall make allowance for the defendant s overall mental state, it professor blackwood says that there is clear evidence that the defendant suffered from depressive thoughts, but thinks that any depressive episode was mild or at most moderate in nature. It is plain, for example, that there was no loss of libido , but there is evidence of libido, but there is evidence of libido, but there is evidence of a loss of weight appetite , of a loss of weight appetite, disturbance, feelings of low mood and hopelessness. Early mood and hopelessness. Early morning wakening , and an morning wakening, and an acceptance of his impending death. Dr. Brown thought that the thought that the depression was of mild to moderate severity. Dr. Hafferty characterised it as moderate. Characterised it as moderate. Again, mathematical precision is not possible. Its safe to say not possible. Its safe to say that the defendant was suffering from depression, which may have been on the border of mild and moderate severity. One moderate severity. One consequence of this was that he was sanguine about his possible death during any assassination attempt when he might not othennise have been. I have othennise have been. I have taken account of the factual conclusions which i have set out when considering the most appropriate way of dealing with the defendant. This appropriate way of dealing with the defendant. This is appropriate way of dealing with the defendant. This is another the defendant. This is another assessment for me to make. I have also had regard to the nature of the offences, the absence of any previous convictions , the defendants convictions, the defendants behaviour when unwell, his level of insight at different times , of insight at different times, his compliance with treatment and the speed at which matters may escalate. The need to protect the public and how that is best achieved. And i am is best achieved. And i am satisfied guide that consideration of these factors and the extent of his culpability is such that a hospital order is not the most suitable way of dealing with his case and that he must receive a sentence of imprisonment. And however , i am also satisfied however, i am also satisfied that he should be the subject of a hybrid order under section 45, a hybrid order under section 45, a of the Mental Health act 1983, which means that he will remain for now at broadmoor and will only be transferred to custody when he has received the treatment he needs. Time spent treatment he needs. Time spent now in hospital will count towards the sentence. The towards the sentence. The defendant will be subject to the special restrictions set out in section 41 of the Mental Health act. 1983. I shall make the hospital direction and the limitation direction for the purposes of section 45. A sub Section Three of the Mental Health act 1983. I accept the health act 1983. I accept the evidence of dr. Brown and dr. Hafferty that the nature of the defendants psychotic disorder order does currently justify his detention in hospital for medical treatment. But i accept medical treatment. But i accept dr. Browns evidence that there is still work to be done with the defendant to explore the abuse he suffered as a young child and so as to address those traumas and continue to reduce the risk that he develops any further psychosis. Dr. Brown has further psychosis. Dr. Brown has said that the intention is that this work will be carried out if the defendant is made the subject of a hospital order or an or an order under section 45, an or an order under section 45, a and i can see the good sense behind that indication. Behind that indication. Professor blackwood expressed the same view. It is thought the same view. It is thought that this work could take in the order of 18 months or so and then plans can be made as professor blackwood explained , professor blackwood explained, for the defendants transfer to the prison estate. Dr. Hafferty the prison estate. Dr. Hafferty has confirmed that a place is available. In the meantime , for available. In the meantime, for the defendant at broadmoor and the defendant at broadmoor and the appropriate medical treatment is available. I am treatment is available. I am satisfied that the defendants interests are properly and sufficiently met by allowing broadmoor the opportunity party, to undertake the further work that dr. Brown has identified died whilst continuing to ensure that he remains stable. As this is done thereafter. I am entirely satisfied that his Autism Spectrum Disorder any depression if it reappeared and the underlying psychotic disorder, can be satisfactorily managed in custody , the managed in custody, the defendant is prepared to take the medical action which he needs and which would be available in custody if anything should emerge in the further work that cannot be managed in that way, then it would be open to broadmoor to continue to treat him as part of my Decision Making. I have, of course, paid particular attention to the different release regimes, which would be available depending upon whether the defendant were released from a hospital order or from custody in the event of an order under section 45 a i have well in mind the evidence i have well in mind the evidence i have heard from the psychiatrists and the position indicated by the Probation Service in a response to a note sorry, in response to a note prepared by ms fiona dixon. I prepared by ms fiona dixon. I have also had regard to the cases of vowles 2015 e wca crim 45, edwards 2018 e wca crim 595. Cleland. 2020 e wca crim 906. Cleland. 2020 e wca crim 906. Nelson 2020. E pwc crim 1615. Nelson 2020. E pwc crim 1615. And walker 2023. E wca. Crim and walker 2023. E wca. Crim 548. I am satisfied that on the defendants anticipated release from custody , the particular from custody, the particular circumstances of the case and its gravity are such that his state of Mental Health and the arranged points to monitor him are likely to receive the most careful attention of course, there can never be absolute certainty, but i am as confident as i can be that this is the case here and i am reinforced in that belief by the opinion of professor blackwood that the defendant is as candid as he is able to be about his psychotic disorder and its symptoms. Treatment will be still further established by the time of his transfer to custody , and there transfer to custody, and there is every reason to suppose that he will continue to be compliant with it. Conditions he will continue to be compliant with it. Conditions can be attached to any grant of a parole licence. It is likely that any Community Monitoring process would involve Multi Agency Public protection arrangements. Arrangements as professor blackwood explain , and professor blackwood explain, and i am satisfied that proper pubuc i am satisfied that proper Public Protection can and will be achieved in this particular case by the sentence i shall pass. Case by the sentence i shall pass. I turn now to the custody pass. I turn now to the custody part of the sentence. It is part of the sentence. It is accepted by the defence case that the defendant does pose a future risk of the kind that would justify an extended sentence on count three and the imposition of a further licence penod imposition of a further licence period pursuant to sections 279 and 280 of the sentencing. Act and 280 of the sentencing. Act 2020. That that concession is rightly made. No pre sentence rightly made. No pre sentence report is necessary for me to come to this conclusion on. At its simplest, the defendant harboured homicidal thoughts which he acted upon before he became psychotic. There is a significant risk to members of the public of serious harm occasioned by the commission, by the defendant. A further specified offences so far as the offence in count one is concerned , there are no specific concerned, there are no specific sentencing guidelines. I ive considered the overarching principle in the general guideline and the defendants culpability and the harm he intended to bring about it is accepted that the defendants intention was not merely to harm or alarm the sovereign , but was or alarm the sovereign, but was to kill her. In those circumstances , the offence is circumstances, the offence is the most serious of its kind. The most serious of its kind. After a trial, if mental disorder were not an issue , any disorder were not an issue, any allowance for the mitigating features of the defendants age , remorse and the absence of any previous convictions would be extremely limited because the fact of his intention to kill makes the offence as serious as it could be. The allowance from the maximum sentence could not be any more than four months for the mitigating factors i have indicated , i have taken account indicated, i have taken account of letters written about the defendant and of his letter to me. I then reduced the figure of me. I then reduced the figure of six years and eight months to five years and six months on account of mental disorder. I account of mental disorder. I then reduced the figure of five years and six months by one third on account of the plea of guilty. That is because the plea was indicated at the first reasonable opportunity shortly after it was confirmed towards the end of 2022, that the defendant was fit to plead. That defendant was fit to plead. That results in a sentence of 44 months imprisonment. On count months imprisonment. On count one. There are sentencing guidelines for the offence of having offended. Having offended. Okay. All right. So you are watching and listening. There to the sentence. Of 21 year old the sentence. Of 21 year old Jaswant Singh chahal, who has pleaded guilty under the treason act. He was attempting to kill Queen Elizabeth ii on Christmas Day 2021, with a crossbow when he was just 19 years old. Hes now 21. Hes also pleaded guilty to making threats to kill and being in possession of an offensive weapon. And what we offensive weapon. And what we are hearing now is how the judge will sentence him. Clearly Mental Health is a mitigating factor here or certainly a consideration , i should say, in consideration, i should say, in this case. What weve heard so far is that the judge says that a hospital order is not is the not the most suitable way of deaung not the most suitable way of dealing with the case, and that shell will receive a prison sentence. But in the short term, from what were hearing, there is most likely that shell will remain in broadmoor for the foreseeable future until he is well enough to see out a custodial centre. Since he of custodial centre. Since he of course has previously had mental issues. We were hearing about how he was psychotic. There was some disagreement with three different Mental Health experts as to the extent of his mental illness. Some aspects to this include him believing that he was going to avenge a massacre in india by killing the queen, that he had an eye. Thats an Artificial Intelligence girlfriend. He believed and he believed that she was real and not actually loving him because of its programming. He also was of its programming. He also was a bit of a star wars fanatic to say the least. And dressed as a sith lord wearing an iron mask made at a forge when he was carrying his loaded crossbow and he was seeking infamy and some kind of personal legacy by doing this, the discussions there are centring around exactly how much mitigation will be given for his Mental Health. And i think at some point we may be able to go back to the old bailey so we can hear the judge continue to pass that sentencing. Butjust hear the judge continue to pass that sentencing. But just to that sentencing. But just to remind you of we are at remind you of where we are at the chahal must receive the moment, chahal must receive a prison but will stay a prison sentence, but will stay in hospital for now. Back to the in hospital for now. Back to the old bailey for mental disorder. This offence would fall into category a higher culpability. Category a higher culpability. There was significant planning and the defendant had a visible weapon in the video. It is weapon in the video. It is category one harm because he caused very serious distress to some of those who saw it. His some of those who saw it. His sister said that it reminded her of a terrorist video and that it was really shocking thing. Mr powell , a friend said that the powell, a friend said that the video made him feel terrified. Video made him feel terrified. It is plain that the defence wanted it shared as widely as possible, including with news media. He had referred in his journal to a need for being known. The film would be known. The film would be extremely disturbing to anyone who saw it. Category one who saw it. Category one a offence has a starting point of four years custody and a range of 2 to 7 years custody. The of 2 to 7 years custody. The prosecution had submitted that the uniquely serious nature of this offending places it at the top of or beyond the top of the sentencing range in the guideline. I agree the overall guideline. I agree the overall context of the offending cannot be ignored. He sought to be ignored. He sought to publicise his intention to kill the sovereign when he was in the process of trying to put that intention into effect. Take intention into effect. Take a figure of eight years custody after allowing for age remorse and the absence of previous convictions patterns which i then reduced to 18 months on account of mental disorder before allowing credit of one third for the plea of guilty that would result in a sentence of 53 months custody for making threats to kill again before making any allowance for totality. So finally, i have to totality. So finally, i have to decide what the effective overall sentence should be. There are three separate offences here which involve different criminal conduct. I have to ensure that the total sentence is just and proportion fit and that there is effective punishment for separate offences. Whilst acknowledging as i do, that they were all part of one overall plan a just and proportionate sentence is unlikely to be achieved. Simply by adding up the separate sentences for each offence. It sentences for each offence. It would not be achieved in this case and i must therefore make an allowance for what is called totality. I shall do that by totality. I shall do that by reducing what would othennise be the appropriate sentences for the appropriate sentences for the offences in counts two and three. Again this requires an exercise of judgement by me. The exercise of judgement by me. The sentences will run consecutively to each other and they will take effect. One after the other. In the order that i pronounce them. The defendant must pay the statutory surcharge. The statutory surcharge. The defendant will remain in hospital for pursuant to the order i make under section 45 a of the Mental Health act 1983, until he is considered well enough to be discharged to custody up until one half of the penod custody up until one half of the period of the sentences on counts one and two has expired. Counts one and two has expired. If well enough , he would be if well enough, he would be transferred to custody to serve any period which remained of one half of the sentences on counts one and two. Then the sentence one and two. Then the sentence on count three will take effect if he is in custody. When it begins to run, because treatment has concluded. After two thirds has concluded. After two thirds of that sentence, the defendant could be released on licence , could be released on licence, but only if the parole board considered it safe to do so , considered it safe to do so, there will be an additional licence period, which is necessary to protect the public if the defender breaches the terms of any licence or commits a further offence during its currency, he is liable to be returned to custody. Mr chair, returned to custody. Mr chair, on count one, the sentence is one of 44 months imprisonment. One of 44 months imprisonment. On count two, the sentence is one of 16 months imprisonment. One of 16 months imprisonment. On count three, the sentence is one of 48 months imprisonment with an extended licence period of five years. The total sentences amount to nine years. Custody with a further licence penod custody with a further licence period of five years. The defendant may go down okay, so the sentencing there has now finished. In the case of Jaswant Singh chahal in the case of Jaswant Singh chahal, the overall full verdict on the sentencing there was that he will be sentenced to a total of nine years with an extended licence period of five years. Count one of course, which was in relation to treason , has been in relation to treason, has been coming in at 44 months. And then there were count two and three of possession of offensive weapon and threats to kill 16 months and 48 months respectively. He will begin that respectively. He will begin that sentence in broadmoor and secure mental facility. And then as and mental facility. And then as and when he is deemed fit to go into main custody at a prison, he will then go there and serve out the remainder of his sentence. The remainder of his sentence. We heard a lot there about the circumstances that led up to this particular situation. Whilst it was acknowledged that the man involved had significant Mental Health problems, it was also acknowledged that he, according to the judge , had according to the judge, had violent tendencies and threats to kill before , before he to kill before, before he actually developed psychosis. It was difficult, of course , to was difficult, of course, to pinpoint exactly when he developed psychosis. I believe developed psychosis. I believe we can go now to kamran walker, who is our royal correspondent and whos been at the old bailey for us. Kamran. Yes, a very unusual case which has now concluded with an overall sentence of nine years, with five years on licence for a man who attempted to kill the queen with a crossbow on Christmas Day, a couple of years ago. Day, a couple of years ago. Yeah, its incredibly rare for a case such as this. The last time was in 1981, just when singh child, as you said, has just been sentenced to nine years in custody with a further five years on licence. The judge was essentially weighing up their whether or not Mental Health played a factor in this case and whether or not a custodial sentence, a prison sentence or indeed a hospital order was most appropriate. And what the judge concluded was that it was essentially going to be a mixture of the two. He accepted that on Christmas Day 2021, when he carried out these offences , he was in a state of offences, he was in a state of psychosis as per some of the Mental Health experts, has given evidence in court. Thats what they said. But he did say that there was some premeditated planning when child was not in a state of psychosis. So what the judge has concluded is that three separate the three separate offences , the sentences separate offences, the sentences being given to those three separate offences will run consecutive xl bully. That means one after the other. So 44 months in custody for count one. Thatis months in custody for count one. That is the treason act 1842 intend to injure or alarm the sovereign 16 months for count two. Thats in the possession of an offensive weapon and 48 months for counts three that is with a threat to kill the queen and with an extended licence of five years. So the judge has ordered child to remain at broadmoor Psychiatric Hospital until he is well enough to serve that custodial sentence. Now, that custodial sentence. Now, this is a summary of charless crimes and why he has been sentenced to nine years in pnson sentenced to nine years in prison. The moment a self styled prison. The moment a self styled assassin was arrested in the grounds of Windsor Castle carrying a powerful crossbow capable of firing bolts with lethal force, his target , queen lethal force, his target, Queen Elizabeth ii Jaswant Singh chill, was captured on cctv wandering Windsor Town Centre before carrying out his crimes on Christmas Morning 2021. He climbs the castles outer fence using a nylon rope ladder. Charles spent two hours inside the grounds, close to the late queens private residence , where queens private residence, where she and members of her family were spending the festive day , were spending the festive day, eventually challenged by police , charles told officers, i am here to kill the queen he was a dangerous individual, intent on doing harm to her late majesty the queen. And if it hadnt been, as i say, for the officers on the day, this could have been a very different outcome. But the officers are there for that reason protect royal reason to protect the royal family and that that family and others that that warrant that protection. Earlier, wearing dark hours earlier, wearing dark clothes a metal mask, the clothes and a metal mask, the star whatsapped clothes and a metal mask, the star family whatsapped clothes and a metal mask, the star family and 1atsapped clothes and a metal mask, the star family and friendsed video to family and friends apologising for what he was about to do when he was arrested. Police found a note written by kyle should he be killed by police during the assassinate attempt . He asked. Assassinate attempt . He asked. Please dont remove my clothes , please dont remove my clothes, shoes, gloves, mask. Et cetera. Shoes, gloves, mask. Et cetera. I dont want a postmortem. I dont want to be embalmed. He then apologised for his actions. Charles said he was seeking revenge for the amritsar massacre in 1919, when british troops opened fire on thousands of indians in a journal. He wrote that if the queen was unobtainable , he suggested unobtainable, he suggested prince charles, now king, would be a suitable figurehead for revenge , charged with treason, revenge, charged with treason, making a threat to kill her. Late majesty and having a loaded crossbow in a public place. The young man from southampton was assessed at broadmoor Psychiatric Hospital, which found he did not exhibit extremism. He pleaded guilty to all charges during hearings at the old bailey. The court heard the old bailey. The court heard charles had applied for the army, a special police force, Royal Marines and the royal navy, in a bid to get close to the royal family. It also heard he was encouraged and bolstered to do what he did by an Artificial Intelligence virtual girlfriend who hed exchanged more than 5000 sexual messages with. Charles barrister nadia chabat said he apologised to the royal family and the king in a letter to the court where he expressed distress and sadness about the impact of his actions. His treating psychiatrist dr. Christian brown , recommended a christian brown, recommended a hospital order, but professor Nigel Blackwood , for the Nigel Blackwood, for the prosecution, said the attack was carefully planned and charles was well aware it was wrong. The was well aware it was wrong. The 21 year old becomes the first person to be sentenced under the treason act of 1842. In more than 40 years, camera wahaca gb news. Well, charles mother, father and twin sister were in court to hear the Jaswant Singh charles sentencing. The judges charles sentencing. The judges ordered him to stay at broadmoor Psychiatric Hospital to receive further treatment until he is well enough to be transferred to pnson well enough to be transferred to prison for his nine year sentence, plus a further five years on licence. Years on licence. Cameron walker, thank you very much. Our royal very much. Our royal correspondent outside the old bailey for the sentencing that lots to unpack about that particular case. A vast swathe of very unusual different elements to it and i think not least as well the role that al and Artificial Intelligence may well have played. Well be discussing that a little bit later on. But in other news, big news in the battle to solve the migrant crisis. Britain is about to sign a deal that will give us access to the eu intelligence services. Apparently, more than 25,000 migrants crossed the 25,000 migrants have crossed the channel but a deal channel this year. But a deal with Frontex Border Agency with the Frontex Border Agency could be confirmed next could well be confirmed next week. Mean border force week. It will mean Border Force Officials will be able to track migrants and their movements and people smuggling across europe. Im joined now by gb news Political Editor christopher christopher. Thank you very much. What will this deal mean and is it going to suck the wind out of labours sails . Because i think they were trying to do something similar. And this is well, they are. And this is all about sharing better intelligence with with those on the because big the continent, because the big issues rishi issues here today, we have rishi sunak spain. He sunak in granada in spain. He wants to do a deal. Hes talking to belgium, serbia, other countries doing similar countries about doing a similar deal albania, the deal to albania, albania, the albania of course, has albania deal, of course, has cut, according to the governments figures, governments own figures, small boats, fifth boats, crossings by a fifth since was signed. They want since it was signed. They want to more and this to do more of that. And this kind getting closer to the kind of getting closer to the eu, you like it or not, eu, whether you like it or not, if youre backed brexit or not, is a way deal with the small is a way to deal with the small boats crisis. According the boats crisis. According to the government. Okay, interesting. And Greater Europe okay, interesting. And greate necessarily europe okay, interesting. And greatenecessarily the europe is not necessarily the most popular thing. Were seeing more of no, but were seeing more of it. Are seeing this the way no, but were seeing more of it. Athe seeing this the way no, but were seeing more of it. Athe on eeing this the way no, but were seeing more of it. Athe on the g this the way no, but were seeing more of it. Athe on the issue the way no, but were seeing more of it. Athe on the issue ofe way no, but were seeing more of it. Athe on the issue of theay no, but were seeing more of it. Athe on the issue of the net that the on the issue of the net zero targets on new diesel cars, new petrol cars, now were back in with the i should in line with the eu, i should say this this thing in this its not the eu meeting today. Its the political the European Political Community meeting october 2022 meeting set up in october 2022 by the invasion of by france after the invasion of ukraine by russia. So theyre all there. Zelenskyy is there macrons there. Whats fascinating to me is a journalist is that the next meeting is in the uk in the spring. So were going to have all the all of the leaders of europe, all the eu leaders, plus associate smaller countries in britain in the spring. Thatll be fascinating. And why mr keir starmer in that meeting is he invited along . He could the prime by the end the Prime Minister by the end of the yean Prime Minister by the end of the year. Happens next . And the year. What happens next . And the mood the position mood music of the uks position , you adjacent to but not , you know, adjacent to but not part of will be part of the eu will be fascinating to watch. No, it will indeed. Fascinating to watch. No, it will indnweve got labour party and weve got Labour Party Conference week and labour conference next week and labour was look they will was saying look what they will do come into the do if they come into power the way that theyre going to stop. The migrant crisis close the migrant crisis is close cooperation is it this . It is this really and sir keir starmer, of course, has been to the hague. Spoke been out to the hague. He spoke to europol. Talked to that to europol. Hes talked to that meeting paris. I went to meeting in paris. I went to i stood outside the meeting. He wouldnt say what was discussed half own half an hour on his own with emmanuel they do emmanuel macron. They want to do more. Theyre hoping that hes the mood music around labour more. Theyre hoping that hes the m pro eu,ic around labour more. Theyre hoping that hes the m pro eu, ofiround labour more. Theyre hoping that hes the m pro eu, of course, abour being pro eu, of course, literally pro eu by being literally pro eu by by being keir starmer situation has been a of shadow brexit a form of shadow brexit secretary feed into better secretary will feed into better relations relations, but frankly rishi sunak doing pretty well on his own. I mean, he is trusted on the world stage. Hes at home on the world stage. Hes at home on world stage. He calls on the world stage. He calls railways, railroads. You know, hes in outlook Hes International in outlook and him there. And they quite like him there. Interesting. Okay, christopher, thank you very much. Christopher are much. Christopher hope there are political whizzing Political Editor just whizzing us what we can expect in us through what we can expect in terms developments terms of the developments towards migrant towards tackling the migrant crisis, the small boats crossings, cooperation crossings, greater cooperation with europe and greater intelligence sharing as well, potentially the wind potentially sucking the wind slightly out of labours sails. As i saying, its labour as i was saying, its Labour Party Conference next week and they basically they they were basically saying they were going to do something very similar. Whats of similar. So whats the point of difference more on difference there . But more on that our website that story on our website gbnews. Com. That story on our website gb news. Com. Fastest that story on our website gb News National fastest that story on our website gb News National news astest that story on our website gb News National news website that story on our website gbNews National news website in growing National News website in the country. All best the country. All the best analysis, big opinion and of course, latest breaking course, all the latest breaking news. Another big news. But this is another big story, think. And were going story, i think. And were going to couple of debates to be having a couple of debates on later so average on this later on. So the average rent uk homes outside of rent for uk homes outside of london reached record highs london has reached record highs of almost £1,300 a month. That is according to the property portal rightmove. But theres a lot more to this story. Rishi sunak criticised for not mentioning housing at all during his Conference Speech. A lot of young people feel massively let down generally by the Housing Market in britain. Are young market in britain. Are young people too entitled when it comes to a desire to own a home . Have they actually got a point . Do they actually just spend too much money on avocados and expensive but here to expensive coffee . But here to break numbers our break down the numbers is our economics Business Editor economics and Business Editor liam on the money Liam Halligan with on the money. Okay, so whats going on in terms of these figures then . Terms of these figures then . Well, these figures are pretty eye watering. If youre having to pay rent and 20 of households in the uk are now in the private rented sector , the private rented sector, thats doubled over the last couple of decades. And these couple of decades. And these numbers that came out this morning rightmove, morning are from rightmove, which property property which is a property property portal, an information portal, like an information service. We can take a look at them. What show, patrick, them. What they show, patrick, is that the average uk rent is now £1,278 a month. Thats 10 higher than this time last year. Thats outside of london with in london. Within the capital, the average rent crikey, £2,627 a month. Of course , people are a month. Of course, people are paying a month. Of course, people are paying this out. Their post tax income, thats 12 paying this out. Their post tax income, thats12 up on last income, thats 12 up on last year. Income, thats 12 up on last year. And this is basically year. And this is basically because theres so few rental properties because theres so not enough nearly enough properties in the first place. And so the average rental property now attracts 25 inquiries, be they email inquiries, be they email inquiries, viewings, phone calls to agents. Thats more than three times what it was this time last year. Just eight inquiries on each rental property. Last year. And heres property. Last year. And heres a few scores on the doors. The hottest rental market in the country, the town with the sharpest increase in rent. Sharpest increase in rent. Luton. Thats right. In bedfordshire , 30 odd miles north bedfordshire, 30 odd miles north of london, and also up 20 or more over the last year. Rents in loughborough in the midlands , preston in the North West Edinburgh of course, and paisley in scotland. So rents in london are higher, but rents outside london are going up faster than they are in certain parts of the capital. Yeah, i mean, we unquestionably have a housing crisis. We will be having a debate, like i said a bit later on about whether or not young people have a right to feel entitled Home Ownership. Entitled to Home Ownership. It can be that as a knock on can be argued that as a knock on effect on lot of other aspects effect on a lot of other aspects of life, when start of life, when you start a family, therefore rate, family, therefore birth rate, no, clear the no, its absolutely clear the evidence is absolutely clear. This lack of housing, the fact people do, if fact that young people do, if theyre lucky enough get theyre lucky enough to get a rental, cant the rental rental, cant get out the rental by their own home is by buying their own home that is now with demography. And now messing with demography. And let want to a little let me just want to say a little thing about avocado shows and trips to ibiza and expensive coffee. It is you know, i know the gb news inbox is full of people saying, why should these kids buy a house when they spend so much money on consumer goods and this and when i and so on . But this and when i bought house, the bought my first house, the emails rates emails often go Interest Rates were 15 and now theyre only 5. Let me say this. The thing about Interest Rates at the moment is they are higher than they were and theyre relatively low by historic standards. But the houses are much, much, much , houses are much, much, much, much more expensive as a share of income. So back in the 90s into the 2000, the average house was 4 or 5 times average income. The average house now is 9 or 10 times average annual income. So even at 5 Interest Rates, todays young home buyers are spending a much higher share of their incomes on their mortgage payments than when people were buying houses. When interest buying houses. When Interest Rates were 12 or 15. Now, indeed i and that, i think, made it even more surprising. The rishi sunak didnt actually mention housing. There were quite a few young people at tory Party Conference. There were lots of young people at tory conference. People at tory Party Conference. I fringes on on i spoke at several fringes on on housing issues. The rooms were absolutely rammed , often a third absolutely rammed, often a third to a half of people in the room were clearly, you know, people in their 20s, which is unusual for conference. Well for a tory conference. Well have to see what does if have to see what labour does if labour starts talking about housing they start housing and if they Start Talking particularly about social Housing Council housing, in view that is where the in my view that is where the real issue is. The party that really gets hold of this and starts Building Social housing when lots of elections and will deserve to. All right. Great stuff, Liam Halligan there. Our economics all right. Great stuff, liam hallbusinesse. Our economics all right. Great stuff, liam hallBusiness Editor. Economics all right. Great stuff, liam hallBusiness Editor. Like mics and Business Editor. Like i said, later on in the show, were be having chat were going to be having a chat about whether not its right about whether or not its right that people you know, that people say, oh, you know, young leon was saying, young people as leon was saying, its not correct. But young people spend money on a people spend too much money on a variety different frivolous variety of different frivolous things my day, you things and back in my day, you know, house prices were this, things and back in my day, you knov and use prices were this, things and back in my day, you knov and the prices were this, things and back in my day, you knov and the other. Were this, things and back in my day, you knov and the other. We werei, that and the other. So were going to be having a debate on that. The of hate that. But the number of hate crimes recorded by police has dropped the time in dropped for the first time in a decade. However, there has been an in complaints an increase in complaints about religious hatred religious and transgender hatred. Breakdown of the. Heres a breakdown of the stats so police in stats for you. So police in england and wales recorded 145,249 offences in the 12 months to march 2023. That is down by 5 on the previous year. Almost 102,000 were race hate crimes. Thats a fall of 6. But there were more than 9000 religious hate crimes , which is religious hate crimes, which is an increase of 9. So a mixed bag here. And there was a total of 4732 transgender hate crimes. 4732 transgender hate crimes. That, of course, is now up 11 7. So a variety of different offshoots here. How good a country is britain to be transgender . How good a country transgender . How good a country is it to be an ethnic minority . What are the kind of religious pushbacks as well . So while the majority of offences reported to police were race hate crimes, of course the number of complaints overall has not fallen. And Kemi Badenoch told the tory conference on tuesday that the uk the best country in the uk is the best country in the world be black. She also world to be black. She also criticised labour. Criticised labour. They want young people to believe a narrative of hopelessness , a narrative that hopelessness, a narrative that says there is no point in trying because British Society is against you and youre better off asking for reparations. A off asking for reparations. A narrative that tells children like mine that the odds are stacked against them. I tell my children that this is the best country in the world to be black because it is a country that sees people, not labels. Sees people, not labels. Well, there we go. Im joined now by social policy analyst dr. Raqeeb raqib. Thank you very, very much. So britain is not a particularly hateful nation then , is it . Overall, hate crimes are down. Well i wouldnt say so. So. So. As you say , patrick, hate as you say, patrick, hate crimes are down now for particular types of hate crimes. There have been some increases and decreases of note i but buti but i think if youre looking at Kemi Badenoch speech, i fully agree with it. I think that this is something that ive said many times before on gb news that we are a relatively successful multiracial democracy. Weve multiracial democracy. Weve seen that the race related hate crimes, even though they make up the largest portion of hate crimes, are actually down from last year. And i think in terms last year. And i think in terms of religious hate crimes, you mentioned there, patrick, there has been an increase. Yeah and while i do argue that britain is one of the best places to live as a religious minority, we should do more to tackle various forms of anti muslim prejudice and anti semitism. I also noticed, though, that i think 7 of the religious hate crimes were reported by people with the christian identification as well. And i have been concerned by growing forms of anti christian sentiment, in my view, which is almost seen as a more acceptable form of discrimination. I dont think thats right at all. But the one point i think we should make, patrick, is that we shouldnt conflate real forms of conflate very real forms of hateful discrimination with perfectly legitimate criticisms of ideology. We i think there is of ideology. We i think there is a fundamental difference between the two. Well exactly. So, yeah, ill break this down. 39 of religious hate crime offences. That was towards muslims. So islamophobe , shia muslims. So islamophobe, shia alleged islamophobia, that was followed by alleged anti semitism , 17. Youve anti semitism, 17. Youve rightly said there christians make up 7 and hindus and sikhs are both on 3. There in 22 of the offences. Apparently the targeted religion was not known, so therefore, im not entirely sure theres a lot of missing data though. Yeah, theres a religious hate crime, but there we go. When it comes to this. Now look, there an argument that look, is there an argument that says maybe people are more inclined to, you know, take a legitimate criticism of a religion . And if somebody says, oh, you know, you know , some oh, you know, you know, some something about a lack of integration, for example, or things like that, and say this is a hate crime, im reporting you for a hate crime. You for a hate crime. No, absolutely. No, absolutely. No, absolutely. And i think that, as i said before , we really need to get before, we really need to get away from that dangerous conflation between perfectly legitimate criticisms of ideology, whether thats a particular religion or indeed, we talked about, you mentioned the increase in hate crimes towards transgender people. But ive also seen and i think that trans people should be able to live a life free from harassment , intimidation and violence. But equally criticising the very excesses of radical transgenderism. I dont think thats a form of discrimination. Indeed that could that could be on the back of a fundamental defence of womens rights. So i think that we really need to understand that in a in a free and fair democracy such as ours, it is perfectly legitimate to criticise these ideologies and thatis criticise these ideologies and that is not necessarily a form of hateful discrimination. No absolutely not. And i think its all too easy these days at times to be labelled a racist or a transphobe. You know, if a woman was stood queuing up for a pubuc was stood queuing up for a Public Toilet and a bloke in a wig arrived and stood next to her and she said, look, i dont think you should be using this toilet. Be very easy toilet. It would be very easy for person to report for that person to then report them being a transfer. But them for being a transfer. But i think in most peoples views, maybe wouldnt be. One maybe they wouldnt be. But one thing out me, thing that stood out for me, ricky, was the demographics of britain changed massively britain have changed massively every year, every single year, by definition, a more definition, we become a more multicultural, diverse multicultural, a more diverse society. Number multicultural, a more diverse soiethnic number multicultural, a more diverse soiethnic minorities number multicultural, a more diverse soiethnic minorities increases. Of ethnic minorities increases. And here we see hate crimes and yet here we see hate crimes going down, which i think just shows that britain is actually an incredibly welcoming place and that, you know, theres no need for all kind of need for all this kind of National Self loathing that we seem teaching everyone. Seem to be teaching everyone. Absolutely. Ive said oh, no, absolutely. Ive said before, compared to , um, a major before, compared to, um, a major eu Member States such as france, germany , the netherlands, spain germany, the netherlands, spain and italy post brexit, britain comfortably outperforms them when it comes to the provision of anti discrimination protections on the grounds of race, ethnicity and religion. Were home to some of the most strongest equality bodies in the world. Patrick and as you know, we have a string of protected characteristics in existing equalities legends legislation. Now, of course, we shouldnt be overly complacent and give up the fight when it comes to tackling various forms of discrimination. But we also have to maintain our commitment to having a free democracy, a free liberal democracy where ideology is are open to scrutiny and criticism at what point do you think it might be time to do away with things like affirmative action or positive discrimination . At what point do we go right . Look, looking at this, dont look, looking at this, i dont want that. Want to see that. What that . I dont even what was that . I dont even want to see that. I dont even want to see that. I dont even want to see that. I dont even want to see that in britain. I think positive think that positive discrimination oxymoron on discrimination is an oxymoron on the one, in my the most outrageous one, in my view. Patrick think view. Patrick i think the emphasis to on equality emphasis has to be on equality of whether thats of opportunity, whether thats in the labour market, education of opportunity, whether thats in housing. Jr market, education of opportunity, whether thats in housing. That|rket, education of opportunity, whether thats in housing. That needseducation of opportunity, whether thats in housing. That needsedu beion of opportunity, whether thats in housing. That needsedu be the or housing. That needs to be the key. Need to focus on key. We need to focus on equality opportunity, not equality of opportunity, not equalisation and i equalisation of outcomes. And i think that if we were to introduce various forms of american style affirmative action, with very action, a country with a very different history and environment comes to environment when it comes to race relations, i think that could fundamental destabilise social in modern social cohesion in modern britain. And i dont want to see that all. That at all. No, i agree with you entirely. You certainly look at the. And you certainly look at the percentage the population percentage of the population that various different that are various different demographics the vast majority that are various different deworkplaces the vast majority that are various different deworkplaces and vast majority that are various different deworkplaces and certainlerity that are various different deworkplaces and certainly ony of workplaces and certainly on our television screens, etcetera. You would have to look at and well, you know, is at it and go, well, you know, is there need any more there much need for any more affirmative you could affirmative action . You could then well, have a look then go, oh, well, have a look at the hate crime stats. It doesnt appear is doesnt appear that britain is a nafion doesnt appear that britain is a nation full of frothing little racists transphobes, does nation full of frothing little racon transphobes, does nation full of frothing little racon that transphobes, does nation full of frothing little rac on that transphobes, does nation full of frothing little racon that trans issue, i, does nation full of frothing little racon that trans issue, though . It. On that trans issue, though . Yes. Hate is up by 11. Yes. The trans hate is up by 11. They say so 4732. Do we know much about how these figures are collated for example, collated though . So for example, if decided that i was now if i decided that i was now going to patricia and going to be patricia and i thought that you didnt recognise as woman, and recognise me as a woman, and i said , dr. Rakib hasan has been said, dr. Rakib hasan has been transphobic towards me. And the police looked at it and they decided that there wasnt really much doing there. Would that still be recorded . Would that still be recorded . Would that still be recorded . Would that still be recorded . So do these stats include things that where the police have decided to take no further action . Or have we seen people the last seen 4732 people in the last year prosecuted for trans hate crimes as well . I think that when you have to look at the figures, this is ultimately for hate related crimes. Now, for me, i think that you raise a very good point here, patrick, in terms of monitoring , for example, weve monitoring, for example, weve seen in recent years a number of british jewish scholars have made this fantastic point that when you look at levels of anti semitism in the uk, you also have to understand how weve changed our monitoring processes. Perhaps theyve been improved and that naturally leads to an increase in the rates of anti semitism. So i think that we need to look at how things are monitored. I think in terms of transgender ism, i make the very same point that people should be free to live their lives away from hateful discrimination, but think that the police also i think that the police also i think there have been some Police Forces that have been left wanting when theyve when its come to approaching women. Ive in my view, ive expressed in my view, perfectly legitimate, gender critical views. Dr. Raqeeb, always a pleasure. You very pleasure. Thank you very, very much. Doctor. Requests their much. Doctor. Requests on their social policy friend of much. Doctor. Requests on their socishow. Icy friend of much. Doctor. Requests on their socishow. Right. Friend of much. Doctor. Requests on their socishow. Right. Ive friend of much. Doctor. Requests on their socishow. Right. Ivejustnd of much. Doctor. Requests on their socishow. Right. Ive just about the show. Right. Ive just about got time sneak a little got time to sneak in a little patricks of the day for patricks pick of the day for you. And looking at you. And today im looking at our old friend at Just Stop Oil. Five people were arrested after protesters invaded the stage at a performance of Les Miserables yesterday evening. Heres what yesterday evening. Heres what happened. Yesterday evening. Heres what happened. Take your chance. Happened. Take your chance. The blood of the martyrs. The blood of the martyrs. Live at five zaralena jackson. Live at five zaralena jackson. Oh, no. They come. Flag sir, oh, no. They come. Flag sir, about along the way. They carry on for quite a while. There we go. Yeah. I do like the way that they. I think they should just let them carry on those shouty little idiots there and they get booed as well. Good. Good good. There we go. We good. Good good. There we go. We can hear it, cant we . Yeah. I think i think its a good thing that they were booed, but also who are they trying to give it . Youve got theatre going people. Most people going to watch the theatre on the west end. I would imagine they were possibly already quite sympathetic towards that course. But a reminder this hours breaking reminder of this hours breaking news, broke into news, a man who broke into Windsor Castle with a loaded crossbow to kill the late queen has been sentenced to nine years in jail. Jaswant singh jail climbed into the castle grounds with the weapon and later declared that he was there to, quote, kill the queen on Christmas Day in 2021. He also , Christmas Day in 2021. He also, for what its worth, had some rather interesting interactions with an Artificial Intelligence chatbot , which i think needs chatbot, which i think needs looking Patrick Christys gb looking at Patrick Christys gb news, is 4 pm. Is Patrick Christies. Its gb news. Now, rishi sunak has apparently managed to get some kind of deal on immigration with european nations. We will be telling you all about that very shortly and why it could well take the wind out of labours sails ahead of their Party Conference this over the weekend and into next week in other news, going to be other news, were going to be talking this. Do young talking about this. Do young people to homes . People deserve to own homes . Should entitled to home should they be entitled to Home Ownership, in the way ownership, perhaps in the way that some of the older generations were . Or do they spend too much money on things like going ibiza or eating like going to ibiza or eating avocados drinking expensive, avocados and drinking expensive, frothy coffee . Ill also be talking about this britain. Is it a bad place to be trans or is it a bad place to be trans or is it too easy to be called a transphobia . Hate crime stats are out. Its good news for the vast majority of people apart from apparently the Trans Community. What does all of this really mean . And kevin keegan has put the in. Hes saying has put the boot in. Hes saying that he doesnt really it that he doesnt really like it when and im quoting now, lady footballers come on and talk about the mens game. Has he got about the mens game. Has he got a point . Because when you see the womens games, you dont tend to get many male pundits or actually is he an outdated, dangerous dinosaur . Patrick christys gb news is. Well, got christys gb news is. Well, got the emails coming in thick and fast on absolutely any one of those top topics. Gb views at gbnews. Com. Ill be back with you ranting. Frankly about why i think we need to stop banning things in this country. Im sick of us banning things, whether its smoking adverts, all sorts of statues. Stop banning things. Vaiews gbnews. Com. But ill be there after your headlines with polly. Patrick polly. Patrick thank you and hello to you. Well, the main news today is that a man who broke into Windsor Castle armed with a loaded crossbow with the intention of killing the late queen has been sentenced to nine years in jail for treason. Just one single wandered around inside the grounds for two hours on Christmas Day in 2021, while the late queen was in residence. The old bailey in residence. The old bailey today heard hed been encouraged by an Artificial Intelligence virtual girlfriend with which hed exchanged thousands of messages. The judge said jail was non psychotic, though, and therefore culpable when he devised his plot but had lost touch with reality and become psychotic by the time he carried it out. Commander murphy from it out. Commander murphy from the metropolitan Police Counter Terrorism Unit says cheil had acted out of revenge for events in the past. For events in the past. He was fixated on previous events that he put down to the British Empire in india and as a result of his fixation on those events, he felt that killing the head of state in the uk would would have would affect some kind of revenge for those historical events. And now the cost of renting a property has increased at the highest level on record. The highest level on record. The average charge for a place to live, excluding london, is now almost £1,300 a month, which is the 15th consecutive quarter that the record has been broken. Its worth still in the capital with average rents rising to more than £2,600 a month. The research by property website rightmove also shows that demand is much higher with properties is much higher with properties is attracting 25 enquiries per property compared to just eight before the pandemic. Property expert russell quirk says the rise was inevitable supply. So the amount of rental Properties Available has also dropped. So the numbers state that theres about 35 fewer Properties Available. So youve got demand up, supply Properties Available. So youve got demand up , supply down. Got demand up, supply down. Theres only one inevitable consequence of that, which is that prices will increase significantly as indeed they are i the Prime Minister says he wants european leaders to unite and target people smugglers. Rishi sunak is in spain for the European Political Community summit, where hell be co chairing the talks with the italian Prime Minister on the rising levels of illegal migration to europe. The Prime Minister also spoke to ukraines president , Volodymyr Zelenskyy saying europe must face down the threat from russia. Here at threat from russia. Here at home, the transport secretary says cancelling the northern leg of hs2 will allow for investments that fit the needs of the country. Its after the Prime Minister announced the northern section of the high speed rail line had been scrapped in his speech yesterday at the conservative Party Conference in manchester, the former Prime Ministers Boris Johnson and David Cameron both criticised the decision, though last night, saying that a once in a Generation Opportunity had been lost. Mark harper told gb news the facts, though, have changed every penny that we save from cancelling that thats £36 billion and reinvesting every penny across the north, the midlands and the rest of the country on important transport, transport, infrastructure for the people of this country want. So i think thats just changing what were investing, still investing in transport, but having investments that fit the needs of the country. We and the needs of the country. We and recognise the facts have changed about the cost of hs2. About the cost of hs2. The Scottish Government has signed an extradition order for a man accused of faking his own death to avoid prosecution. Nicholas rossi is wanted in the United States for allegedly raping a woman in 2008. He was arrested in glasgow in 2021, but claimed it was a case of mistaken identity and that hes an irish orphan called arthur knight. After a an irish orphan called arthur knight. After a long legal battle , hell now be transported battle, hell now be transported to the United States to face charges against him. Now, around charges against him. Now, around 3000 people have had to be evacuated from the Spanish Island of tenerife because of wildfires. The flames are being wildfires. The flames are being fuelled by strong winds and high temperatures, but Authorities Say efforts to bring the fires under control are going well. The area was hit by wildfires over the summer and thousands of tourists were forced to flee home. Temperatures are expected to reach close to 40 degrees there over the coming days as well. Here. Southern and thames well. Here. Southern and thames water have been identified as standout poor performers by an industry watchdog , the consumer industry watchdog, the Consumer Council for water says more than 20 Million People were being let down because the firms failed to deal with issues raised by their customers as complaints to southern water were almost three times higher than the average for water and sewerage companies. Now five Just Stop Oil protesters arrested for interrupting a performance of Les Miserables last night are still in custody. Heres what happened. Still in custody. Heres what happened. Singing. The song happened. Singing. The song about the. If youre listening on radio, you. We are looking at pictures of the protesters holding up banners mark, Just Stop Oil police now are appealing for anyone with footage of the protest at the theatre in londons west end to get in touch. The activists had fixed themselves to the stage using flexible bike locks, forcing the production to end early refunds are being offered to angry theatre goers. The to angry theatre goers. The princess of wales has joined some of englands world cup winning Wheelchair Rugby League squad. She got stuck in at the event in hull, where she sat in a wheelchair herself and gave the game a go. Kate, whose patron of the rugby football league, is there to help promote inclusive city in sport. Ulez gb inclusive city in sport. Ulez gb news across the uk on your tv in your car, on Digital Radio and now on your Smart Speaker by saying play gb news. This is britains news channel. Please britains news channel. Please can we just stop banning things . When did we become a country that just banned stuff all the time . Smoking. Now i know most people arent smokers and most people arent smokers and most people dont like the smell. I know its unhealthy, banning know its unhealthy, but banning it point where its some it to the point where its some stage future. A 40 year stage in the future. A 40 year old man is going to be hanging around a corner shop in around outside a corner shop in basingstoke a 41 year old basingstoke asking a 41 year old man if he can go in and illegally get him a packet of marlboro gold is farcical. Its like banning cocaine or weed. That hasnt really worked out that well, it . Toilet that well, has it . The toilet cubicles in soho look like frosty the snowman has just stormed through there, and everywhere streets everywhere you go, the streets smell amsterdam coffee smell like an amsterdam coffee shop, banning smoking shop, apparently banning smoking could Something Like an £8 could leave Something Like an £8 billion gap in tax revenue as well. How are we going to make that back up statues . Were essentially banning statues. Essentially banning statues. There were calls for so called contests , statues to be removed. Contests, statues to be removed. Now weve reached a compromise where those statues have to have a little explainer on them to say that this person might actually be a bit of a pillock. And you should hate them and you maybe should hate them because during the 1800s, they dared to have the same views as everybody else. Ridiculous adverse junk food adverts are banned from the london underground. Probably other places as well. This, by the places as well. This, by the way, includes cheese, an advert for artisanal cheese was banned for artisanal cheese was banned for promoting a healthy lifestyle. I mean, gosh, when did artisanal cheese pose a threat to the fabric of British Society . Maybe if were banning adverts promoting an unhealthy lifestyle , surely we then have lifestyle, surely we then have to ban all those fashion adverts with plus size models. By the with plus size models. By the way, i dont think we should do that. And yes, big can sometimes be beautiful , but not very be beautiful, but not very often. And showing off a body thats got more rolls than a bakery is hardly promoting Healthy Eating now, is it . Cars are banned. Cars drive slower, drive so slowly itll be easier for you to ride a bike. 30 miles to work, drive through so many different ulez and clean air zones that you wont be able to afford to drive anymore. Ban it, ban it, ban it. This is just the slow of totalitarianism. Slow creep of totalitarianism. Seriously see, i know it might seem a bit funny, but there are some very serious undertones to this desire for authoritarian behaviour. Who this desire for authoritarian behaviour. Who has this desire for authoritarian behaviour. Who has the this desire for authoritarian behaviour. Who has the right to ban a consenting adult from looking at a slice of cheese in an advert or smoking . Who is making these rules . Why do they think that they know better . Get think that they know better . Get out of my life. Very often out of my life. Very often politicians struggle to run their own lives, so stop telling me how to run mine. Knife crime and shoplifting are banned by the way, how are they getting on it . Managing those things. But there is another point here as well. Its infantilizes people. Oh, i took one look at that statue of a slave owner and now all of a sudden ive got 50 slaves. I mean, itjust doesnt happen, does it . People need to be strongly encouraged not to drive, do they . No. Maybe you drive, do they . No. Maybe you live in an area with terrible pubuc live in an area with terrible public transport. Theres three kids there who needs to go to school and youve got to be at work at 9 am. So youve made the adult decision on that. Driving is the best option for you. I mean, is it any wonder that we have generation coming that we have a generation coming through who are totally helpless that we have a generation coming thro offended are totally helpless that we have a generation coming thro offended by totally helpless that we have a generation coming thro offended by everythingpless that we have a generation coming thro offended by everything they and offended by everything they see . Our eyes see . Oh please shield our eyes from that picture winston from that picture of winston churchill. Saw an advert for churchill. I saw an advert for a burger on a billboard and i had to go and eat. So much junk to go out and eat. So much junk food that i gave myself diabetes. Grow up, stop treating us like children who need to be sheltered. Stop telling us all things need to be banned for our own good. Get out of our lives, you authoritarian little control freaks. Case you couldnt tell. Freaks. Case you couldnt tell. Ive just given up smoking right. Okay. Email me gb views. Gbnews. Com. Ill have more on that topic a little bit later on in the show. But before we get to that, the latest on the migrant crisis. Let me bring you some breaking news. So prosecutors have concluded there is no realistic prospect of conviction for 21 people arrested on the day of the kings coronation to prevent a breach of the peace. And they breach of the peace. And they will face no further action. The groups were arrested in order to prevent a breach of the peace and on suspicion of conspiracy to cause a public nuisance on the mall in whitehall and whitehall, i should say on the morning of the coronation back in may. Much controversy about that. In may. Much controversy about that. Now, the police have in may. Much controversy about that. Now, the police have said they expect being they dont expect there being any option entity for any realistic option entity for prosecution. So there we go. Now to the big news to battle the migrant crisis. Britain is about to sign a deal that will give us access to eu intelligence. S access to eu intelligence. S more than 25,000 migrants across the channel this year. But a deal with the Frontex Border Agency could be confirmed next week. It will mean that border week. It will mean that Border Force Officials will be able to keep track of migrant movements and people smuggling across europe before we have a debate on this, ive got gb news very own Political Editor, christopher hope. Christopher thank you very much. Is this a win for sunak or a capitulation to the remainers . I can tell you hot news. Patrick that in meetings with the leaders the counterparts the leaders of the counterparts of sunak with germany , of rishi sunak with germany, albania and ireland , migration albania and ireland, migration has come up throughout. Albania and ireland, migration has come up throughout. This has come up throughout. This meeting of course is over. Over in granada in spain. Its a European Political Community established by president macron in october 2022, after the invasion of ukraine. Its 47 countries, the eu, 28 plus more countries, the eu, 28 plus more countries and smaller ones. And the uk, of course, on top of that. But we are hearing from number 10 that illegal migration has come up. The mood music in europe is changing is what theyre saying theres more theyre saying that theres more of between the uk of a common cause between the uk and the Continental Europe about deaung and the Continental Europe about dealing with the of dealing with the flow of migrants coming the migrants coming towards the whole so whats whole continent. So whats fascinating hearing how the fascinating is hearing how the uk government is now trying to work closer its work closer with its counterparts continent to counterparts on the continent to tackle migration and also presumably more willing presumably they are more willing to work closer with us. It seems that there is now a continental recognition that the migrant crisis is actually problem. Problem. Theres common cause keir starmer tapped into that when he went course, went over to paris. Of course, gb outside where gb news was there outside where the took he had the meeting took place. He had half with with emmanuel half an hour with with emmanuel macron. They discussed macron. They they discussed brexit. We know for sure. Brexit. We know that for sure. Almost discuss almost certainly does discuss joint on small boats joint approaches on small boats and migration. They do see and migration. And they do see it common cause issue. The it as a common cause issue. The difference between the tories and labour the tories and labour party is the tories is plan is in is rwanda. Rwanda plan is in Supreme Court next week. If that is could be a it is approved, that could be a it could be a game changer. If what happens as they as i say, what happens . Christopher hope that gb a Political Editor gb news is a Political Editor with press with the hot off the press news. The government is close to so the government is close to confirming this new deal it hopesit confirming this new deal it hopes it will help solve the migrant crisis. The question is, of taken the of course, has this taken the wind labours sails . Wind out of labours sails . Because as we were hearing sir keir starmer and shadow home secretary held secretary Yvette Cooper held talks the netherlands last talks in the netherlands last month. Said a labour month. He said that a Labour Government would set up a new police unit to tackle illegal migration and he suggested that he was opened to a returns agreement for Asylum Seekers with the European Union, which caused a huge amount of controversy and to led a lot of other labour politicians following starmer around following keir starmer around with mop bucket, with a big mop and bucket, saying really mean any saying he didnt really mean any of that. Im joined now for this by denis by former labour minister Denis Macshane and leader of macshane and the leader of reform uk richard tice. No doubt a stellar debate awaits dennis , a stellar debate awaits dennis, i will start with you. So rishi sunak as as outmanoeuvred keir starmer here, hasnt he taking the wind out of his sails and actually could well end up getting to grips with the migrant crisis . Getting to grips with the mic excuse sis . Getting to grips with the migexcuse me. Weve just decided excuse me. Weve just decided to go back to where we were in 2016 when we were part of frontex and we had access to all this information on Boris Johnson, david frost ultra hard brexit deal cut it off and rishi sunak very sensibly, like on horizon, like on a number of other issues is trying to get back not into bed, but at least sit on the side of the bed with the rest of europe. Its a good idea. Its nothing. Its not going to make much difference, to be honest. To be honest. Right. Okay, richard, ill put to you as leader of put that to you as the leader of reform is this a capitulo reform uk, is this a capitulo ation to the remainers . They were right all along, they . Ation to the remainers . They werno,jht all along, they . Ation to the remainers . They werno, notrll along, they . Ation to the remainers . They werno, not at along, they . Ation to the remainers . They werno, not at all. G, they . Ation to the remainers . They werno, not at all. Look, they . Ation to the remainers . They werno, not at all. Look, come . No, not at all. Look, come on. Make no difference at on. Itll make no difference at all. Patrick, in your monologue, you talked not wanting to you talked about not wanting to ban things. Actually, youre wrong, thing wrong, patrick. The one thing the does want to the whole country does want to ban illegal migration, which ban is illegal migration, which is completely out of control. And you, all of and let me tell you, all of these warm words going on in granada between various leaders these warm words going on in gran make etween various leaders these warm words going on in gran make etwea1 various leaders these warm words going on in gran make etwea jot|rious leaders these warm words going on in gran make etwea jot of us leaders will make not a jot of difference whatsoever because we know the only thing that works is what worked in australia. You pick up and you take back which youre entitled to do under International Treaty law. Othennise nothing will happen. Nothing will change. Suella braverman talked about a hurricane of migration coming across from africa and other nations, and this hurricane will blow like a brutal, brutal storm until we lead the way we pick up, we take back to france and then the eu leaders learn from our leaders ukip learn from our lesson and do exactly the same across the mediterranean. At across the mediterranean. At that moment, this stopped. Then that moment, this stopped. Then you can get to grips with the causes of illegal migration in africa and other nations. All right, dennis. For years, britain was more worried about illegal migration than our continental friends. And now, after weve left , they finally after weve left, they finally decided to take it seriously. Decided to take it seriously. Excuse me. Talk to barry le excuse me. Talk to barry le pen. Talk to matteo salvini. How pen. Talk to matteo salvini. How many names do you want me to read out of european politician who sound just like richard . Just like nigel about immigration . Ian. Now, richards idea. Yes if the nearest island to us was about 1000 sea miles away, a little boats came. We could intervene in 5 or 600 miles away in open waters and put them on another island. Theyre not sent back. Youre not going to get france sort of taking with the royal navy , with taking with the royal navy, with our aircraft carriers that dont even have aeroplanes on them. Now, taking back these migrants. Dear dennis dennis, im sorry i im sorry, richard. I mean, you just dont know the law, the facts. Youve not been on the ground. Now you sit there coming up with your instant solution. Up with your instant solution. Dennis. So, all right, dennis. So, richard, you know the law . Richard, do you know the law . I do know the law. Ive read the treaties. I know exactly which clause is. And the the treaties. I know exactly whichayiuse is. And the the treaties. I know exactly whichay youre and the the treaties. I know exactly whichay youre going the the treaties. I know exactly whichay youre going to the the treaties. I know exactly whichay youre going to stop only way youre going to stop this crisis. Its the this crisis. Dennis its the 1974 of life at sea. 1974 safety of life at sea. Dennis its the 1982 Un Convention on the law at sea. I suggest you read them, get a lawyer. Dennis and then youll know im right. And know that im right. And then you come on and apologise. You can come on and apologise. Thank you, mark. There. Thank you, mark. Danny there. Thank you, mark. Danny there. Youre ready to dennis no, youre ready to apologise to richard. I mean, come apologise come on. Here. I dont apologise to other. Were wrong about to each other. Were wrong about that. Mean, hes. Hes just. That. I mean, hes. Hes just. If it was that easy, richard, why think italians why do you think the italians dont because were much dont do it . Because were much more. More obsessed. Weve got. Weve got. No, let me finish. I let no, no, let me finish. I let you i you finish, you finish. I let you finish, richard. Every country in europes bonkers about europes going bonkers about this at moment. Germany is this at the moment. Germany is closing threatening close closing or threatening to close its with poland. The its frontiers with poland. The french minister it French Interior minister says it wont take a single immigrant from italy closing frontiers with italy. The numbers with italy. The numbers are huge. There and if it was that easy, tough people like meloni, i can name others would have doneit i can name others would have done it a long time ago. It just is a dream to pretend theres a magic solution. Magic solution. Ian its not a dream. It was donein ian its not a dream. It was done in australia. Patrick and dennis, you know that. Yeah well, back to the thousand miles problem. Richard you know. All right. Dennis no , okay. So. Richard so dennis no, okay. So. Richard so as far as youre concerned then in sharing intelligence in terms of sharing intelligence with frontex and the eu nations, etcetera . Well, not, not at etcetera . Well, not, not at least have some benefit when it comes to tackling these these human smuggling gangs . Comes to tackling these these hurpatrickuggling gangs . Comes to tackling these these hur patrick ugglingsent gs . Comes to tackling these these hur patrick ugglingsent them patrick weve sent them nearly half £1 billion and its making no difference whatsoever. Well 25,000 have come over well over 25,000 have come over this year and continuing to come, hundreds and hundreds of thousands are coming across the mediterranean. None of this makes any difference until you actually have a proper deterrent show some proper, courageous, bold leadership like tony abbott did ten years ago in australia and it stopped immediately. Okay so dennis, lets say that we by the way, it looks like no matter which party ends up winning the next general election, were going to do whatever it is that rishi sunak is about to sign, some kind of deal with frontex intelligence sharing, etcetera, and wide and a more continental wide approach migration. Approach to tackling migration. Looks thats so that looks like thats about happen. Almost about to happen. Almost definitely. If that doesnt work. Do we do work. Dennis then what do we do then . Our only option would then . Then our only option would be to turn back the boats, wouldnt it . Your beloved be to turn back the boats, w0|wouldnt your beloved be to turn back the boats, w0|wouldnt helpedloved be to turn back the boats, w0|wouldnt helped us. 3d be to turn back the boats, w0|wouldnt helped us. No eu wouldnt have helped us. No question. My beloved eu. Going to go back to were going to go back to what we before. You have a what we had before. You have a number of colleagues whove served the immigration served in the in the Immigration Service on your show, service on on your show, on different shows. And different gb news shows. And they agree if any. These they all agree if any. These actually professionals actually are the professionals and they tear their hair out because theres such Mass People Movement and its literally unstoppable with sort of fantasies that weve got seb gorka. Gorka. So, so you dont think so the one point of agreement between both of you, as far as i can gather, is that neither of you think this is going to work. Dennis well, no, i think what were starting to do with the french cops now with very sharp knives and axes, the moment they see any of these zodiac, they just them just cut them up. Talking about ioookm. 1000km. I was talking about the boats there. Well, its just thousand kilometre long coastline. Raul had the biggest army in europe and he couldnt stop the invaders arriving in june 1944, we just have to grow up. There are reasons to sort out why so many people come. Why William Hague and David Cameron created failed states in libya and syria, tony blair in iraq and afghanistan look into a little bit of that, but well have to do it. Cooperate. Let some of the people work here. Theres plenty of jobs for them. And that works in sweden and in germany. The italians are going it doesnt in sweden. It doesnt work in sweden. Absolute nonsense. Thats why swedens just elected right swedens just elected a right of centre party in order to stop it, because theyve got crime thats through the roof, thats going through the roof, through migration and through illegal migration and indeed through legal migration. So lets just prove so actually, lets just prove you wrong again, dennis, just a bad afternoon. Fine. Final word, just fine. Just final word, richard. Word, richard. Richard. Final word, richard. Look the fact is this will be dressed up as ha, we are. We dressed up as ha, we are. We should never have left the European Union. Look at us now. We are going to have conversations them and conversations with them and were to involved were going to get back involved with thing that we with the kind of thing that we were whilst we in the were in whilst we were in the european that is how this European Union. That is how this will be solved. Richard, isnt it . Yeah, look, frankly, weve left the European Union the left the European Union and the british people wont buy it. The only thing the british people will the boats stop. Will buy is when the boats stop. Patrick simple that. Patrick its as simple as that. We hear these words. We we hear all these words. We heard nothing the european heard nothing about the European Convention on human rights. For me, secretary or the convention on human rights. For me, minister secretary or the convention on human rights. For me, minister at retary or the convention on human rights. For me, minister at therry or the convention on human rights. For me, minister at the tory the conference. All right, look, both of you, thank you very much. Good stuff. Proper debate. You love to see it. Former labour minister Denis Macshane it. Former labour minister denis macsha uk, it. Former labour minister denis macshauk, richard tice, also of reform uk, richard tice, also of this parish. Now rental costs have gone up again, but would you that theyve you believe that theyve increased in increased by more than 10 in just however im asking just a year . However im asking this it right that young this is it right that young people even feel entitled people should even feel entitled to own a property or is itjust to own a property or is it just a dream and they should a pipe dream and they should work patrick gb work harder . Patrick christys gb news isabel, monday to thursdays from six till 930. For 26. Six till 930. For 26. Youre watching or listening to me . Patrick christys on gb news in a few minutes, the number of trans gender hate crimes recorded by the police increases by 11 as whether the uk is a bad place to be a trans person or whether people are becoming more easily offended now. Rents across the country now. Rents across the country have written record highs, risen to record highs for the 15th month running, with the market seeing increases of around 10 in the past 12 months. That is according to the property portal rightmove. And it raises all of those questions, doesnt it, about whether or not young people have any right to moan about buying a about housing and buying a house, etcetera . Here to break house, etcetera . Here to break down the numbers our down the numbers is our economics Business Editor economics and Business Editor liam the money Liam Halligan with on the money. Loads Liam Halligan with on the money. Loads of other countries rent dont they like germany i think is a lot more common than it is over here. I mean, is this just a ridiculous british Home Ownership aspiration, do you think . No, i dont. I dont think so. Germany has much cheaper homes to rent and to buy because germany a lot homes germany has a lot more homes than we have. Germany has about 550 homes. Patrick for every 1000 people, we have less than 400. Farage has 520. We have less than 400. Thats why the cost of housing in this country is so high. Whether youre trying to rent or buy, we usually focus on buying, dont we . But were going to focus on renting in this little section. And thats why young people are finding it so difficult, because as in recent decades, the rate of home building, both for rent and buy has slowed down. So much. And thats why prices have gone up so much more than wages. Lets lets have a look at these numbers from rightmove came out earlier this morning. So the average uk rent hold on to your hat is £1,278 a month. Now thats 10 up on hat is £1,278 a month. Now thats10 up on this time hat is £1,278 a month. Now thats 10 up on this time last thats10 up on this time last year. Thats10 up on this time last year. Thats obviously a huge year. Thats obviously a huge increase. Yes. And the average increase. Yes. And the average rent in london is £2,627 a month. Thats 12 up on last month. Thats12 up on last yean month. Thats12 up on last year. This is because there arent enough homes and thats why the amount of time you have to spend looking for a home, the competition to get a rental is going up. The average rental says rightmove, attracts 25 inquiries. Now each emails or viewings or phone calls to the agent, thats four times, three times more than last year. It was eight eight inquiries. This time last year and the hottest rental market. Its not actually in london, its barely in the south east. Its in luton, which is in bedfordshire, about 30 miles of london. But miles north of london. But youve also had rent rises in a single year of 20 plus on average in loughborough, in the midlands, in preston, in the north west, of course, in edinburgh and in paisley in scotland. So look, rents are scotland. So look, rents are much higher in the capital, but theyre going up pretty fast outside the too. Capital outside the too. Capital okay. And you dont think its fair . As you will know, weve got a load of emails from people and had quite a few people and ive had quite a few dunng people and ive had quite a few during show said, ive during this show that said, ive ill paraphrase one of them that said her her husband were in said her and her husband were in their 30s to scrimp their early 30s had to scrimp and they had one car they and save. They had one car they were renting they couldnt afford and a period afford to buy. And over a period you didnt have kids over the penod you didnt have kids over the period when it got to their late 30s, finally, after not 30s, they finally, after not going holidays doing all 30s, they finally, after not gothose holidays doing all 30s, they finally, after not gothose things, {s doing all 30s, they finally, after not gothose things, were doing all 30s, they finally, after not gothose things, were inioing all of those things, were in a position where they could get a mortgage and, you know, i do see a of people in their early a lot of people in their early 20s who i know, though, are out and about all the going on and about all the time going on 2 3 foreign holidays a year, 2 or 3 foreign holidays a year, who, rooftop bars, who, you know, rooftop bars, drinking cocktails, who then complain afford complain that they cant afford a house or they havent got any savings as well. Im not here to be fair or unfair. Im here to tell you what the facts are. And the facts are that when i bought my first house in the late 90s, the average in country average home in this country was about four times the price of the average annual income. The average annual income. Right. The average home in this country is now almost ten times the average annual income. So the average annual income. So todays generation of youngsters are having to pay much, much, much higher house prices to buy a house and indeed to rent a house than my generation were, even though Interest Rates now are lower because the houses themselves are so much more expensive. So yes, when i bought expensive. So yes, when i bought my first house, Interest Rates were up at sort of ten odd but because the house was less , the because the house was less, the mortgage could be much less. I mortgage could be much less. I ended up paying a lower share of my income in payments to service that mortgage. Even at 10 than a youngster would pay to service a youngster would pay to service a mortgage. Now, at 4 or 5 or 6 because their mortgage is so much bigger, because the house is expensive. So but this is more expensive. So but this is more expensive. So but this is intergenerational. And its is intergenerational. And its interesting, patrick, at the tory conference, there were lots and young people, which and lots of young people, which isnt always isnt something you always see at tory conference, a of isnt something you always see at housing1ference, a of isnt something you always see at housing fringe� e, a of isnt something you always see at housing fringe meetings isnt something you always see at housing fringe meetings that the housing fringe meetings that i at half the room was i spoke at half the room was youngsters, people from groups like yimby. Theyre not knowing my backyard, the nimbys, theyre the nimbys, in my backyard the nimbys, yes. In my backyard. And. And there are yimby movements all over the uk, all over the west and world, europe and in particular america, because youngsters are now really angry that they cant buy a home. And my, my concern is if its really hard to rent, if its really hard to rent, if its really hard to rent, if its really hard to buy this is messing with our demography. It is. And thats what in the is. And thats what turns in the end , unfortunately makes end, unfortunately makes politics more extreme because people go for idiot policies that been proven to fail, that have been proven to fail, like rent controls and so on. So im hoping we can avoid those because the evidence against them is very strong, isnt it . You know, long term Decision Making for a Brighter Future or whatever it was. Thats that was the tory slogan not to say anything about housing. A big mess. It was a big mess. It was a big mess. Not a looming its notjust a looming crisis. Its here. Lets see if but anyway, lets see if labour do better in liverpool. Interesting. That will be interesting. Liam very much. Liam liam thank you very much. Liam halligan our economics and business okay Business Editor. Right. Okay loads to come between and loads to come between now and 5 00. Well discuss controversial comments by football he football legend kevin keegan. He says qualified football legend kevin keegan. He sajgive qualified football legend kevin keegan. He sajgive views qualified football legend kevin keegan. He sajgive views aboutjualified football legend kevin keegan. He sajgive views about mensd to give their views about mens football or Something Like that anyway. Has he got a point football or Something Like that anyway. Has he got a point or is he outdated . Now its your headunes he outdated . Now its your headlines with Polly Middleton first. Patrick thank headlines with Polly Middleton first. Patrick thank you. The headlines this hour. A man who broke into Windsor Castle armed with a loaded crossbow in order to kill the late queen has been sentenced to nine years in jail for treason. Jaswant singh, charl was found in the grounds on Christmas Day in the grounds on Christmas Day in 2021, while the late queen was in residence. The judge said was in residence. The judge said charl was culpable when he devised his plot but had lost touch with reality and become psychotic by the time he carried it out. In separate news today , it out. In separate news today, at least 51 people have died after a Russian Missile hit a cafe in North Eastern ukraine. Its reported the victims were holding a Memorial Service at the time and ukrainian officials are calling it a heinous crime. Are calling it a heinous crime. 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The finance report on gb news for gold and silver investment. For gold and silver investment. The number of hate crimes recorded by police has dropped for the first time in a decade. However, where theres been an increase in complaints about religious and transgender for hate, heres a breakdown of the stats. So police in england and wales recorded 145,214 offences in the 12 months to march 2023. Thatis in the 12 months to march 2023. That is down by 5 on the previous year. Almost 102,000 previous year. Almost 102,000 were race hate crimes. Thats a fall as well of 6. So were doing well so far, arent we . But there were more than 9000 religious hate crimes, which is an increase of 9. There was also an increase of 9. There was also a total of 4732 transgender hate crimes that is apparently up by 11. So im going to zone in on those ones now and just ask, is britain a bad place . Race to be britain a bad place . Race to be trans . Im joined now by the transgender teacher and journalist Debbie Hayton. And trans rights campaigner and the host of gender nebulous podcast. Frieda wallis. Thank you very, very much, both of you. Frieda is britain a bad place to be . Trans them . In my experience , no, i dont in my experience, no, i dont think so. I mean , i get out and about i mean, i get out and about quite a lot. I was at the tory Party Conference last last, last a few days ago and i just milled around there and seemed to be a problem me. Problem for me. The thing is, what i but the thing is, what i noficeis but the thing is, what i notice is transgender topics are very much key in the media. There arent isnt no there arent there isnt no there more transgender there arent no more transgender people. But are. We are people. But there are. We are being about a lot more. Being talked about a lot more. So are asked to have so people are asked to have opinions on us more. And obviously, a lot of people, obviously, a lot of the people, they understand the they dont really understand the issue. Know why issue. They dont know why people transgender. Theres people are transgender. Theres lots somebody lots of reasons why somebody might out at different might come out at different times in their life as trans, but me personally , ive just but for me personally, ive just noficed but for me personally, ive just noticed theres a lot more talk about it in the media. So people are obviously more opinionated on me, so they might not know me personally, but theyve got an opinion on me. So i find myself being talked about quite a lot, but not no representation , i but not no representation, i suppose theyre not hate crimes , though, are they . Its the thing. I mean, its just. Its just a discussion, isnt it . I think debbie. Its on, its on that. Ill just come to you now. Do you recognise this so called 11 rise in hate crimes , do you think, towards crimes, do you think, towards trans people . Trans people . No. No. I go about my life as ive always done. Always done. Im not looking for transgender hate around the next corner and i dont find it. Its just not its just not lurking there. I think the question is just what . What earth do these what on earth do these figures represent . Because theyre transgender theyre reports of transgender hate and practically hate crime and any practically anything can be reported. Somebody me a bit somebody looked at me a bit funny the bus. Funny on the bus. Was bit uncertain about it was a bit uncertain about this. So we need to look at what actually is being reported. For example, years and for example, some years ago a sticker ago there was a sticker campaign. Women were campaign. Some women were putting up stickers which said women, and women, adult, human, female. And we were told within the Transgender Community that this should logged should be reported and logged with online, with the police, hit online, hate form because we need hate crime form because we need the stats. You know, if you go looking for the stats, you can find them. Okay. Frida are sometimes maybe people within the Trans Community are a bit too sensitive . No, i dont think so. I mean, the thing that debbies referring to there, the stickers saying, how do you move female . They come from a very specific place. Theyre coming from. Place. Theyre coming from. Kelly know is an kelly keane, who we know is an anti trans thats anti trans campaigner. Thats not. And i think its not in dispute. And i think its right that people call that theyre not theyre not theyre not trying to get arrested. Not trying to get arrested. Theyre just making sure that the know that theyre just going to on that. To just on just on that. I actually think i because i actually think i actually think this this pushback little bit pushback ties in a little bit maybe with some of the points you made earlier, frida is you made earlier, frida which is okay kelly keane probably wouldnt okay kelly keane probably wouitrans campaigner. She anti trans campaigner. She would, think, really describe would, i think, really describe describe as womens describe herself as a womens rights activist and what what well, well, well, well. I kind of beg to differ because what i think shes saying well, i know shes dont on shes saying is we dont we on the ground what is she okay, the ground. What is she okay, let me finish and then ill then ill ask you a question and then we can we can have the answer. Right. So what she would say is we want men in womens we dont want men in womens spaces. Thats big thing. Spaces. Thats her big thing. But is that trans phobic but i mean, is that trans phobic really . No but but what what shes actually there is shes actually saying there is shes actually saying there is shes saying trans people. Not when she says men, shes not when she says men, shes referring someone like shes referring to someone like me about my daily me who just goes about my daily life. I went into life. Now, if i went into a pubuc life. Now, if i went into a Public Toilet and kelly keane was id be scared to was there, id be scared to death. What i mean . Death. Do you know what i mean . But. You know, i understand but. But you know, i understand what saying, patrick, but what youre saying, patrick, but this, you know, there is a conversation to had about conversation to be had about single sex and all that, single sex spaces and all that, but it cant come from people like kelly keane , who know like kelly keane, who we know are transphobic. Got to are transphobic. Its got to come who actually come from people who actually look statistics. Look at the statistics. All right. Ill just say again, look, obviously kellys not here to defend herself. I would imagine she would she would deny that she was transphobic. On. Transphobic. Yeah, go on. Based on risk lets do it. Based on risk assessment. Assessment. Lets do what . Sorry, what . Based on risk assessment. So youre going create this youre going to create this issue trans people are a issue that trans people are a problem in society because thats what kelly keane would say. Where is the risk . What but where is the risk . What is the risk . But where is the risk . What is tokay. K . But where is the risk . What is tokay. Well, i mean , she she okay. Well, i mean, she she look, she she she will she. Okay, look , she she will point okay, look, she she will point to numerous different articles that where people. Well, yeah, but they do exist , right . Where but they do exist, right . Where people who are members of the Trans Community have committed crimes. And she will she will point to those and say that that is demonstrable fact. Why men is a demonstrable fact. Why men or trans women shouldnt be in female spaces. And that is that is that is up to her. Im going to the only reason im going to veer away from kelly keanes, because we are now having a discussion about a woman who isnt here. And also, its not my to defend her wholesale my job to defend her wholesale and that stuff. Well and all that stuff. So well move all right . Okay. Right. Move on. All right . Okay. Right. Okay fair. Yeah, enough. Okay fair. Yeah, fair enough. Debbie gosh. Do you do debbie right. Gosh. So do you do you austin kind you think then that austin kind of you then, do you of question to you then, do you think that maybe maybe in some situations too quick think that maybe maybe in some sitlob ons too quick think that maybe maybe in some sitlob out too quick think that maybe maybe in some sitlob out the too quick think that maybe maybe in some sitlob out the idea too quick think that maybe maybe in some sitlob out the idea oftoo quick think that maybe maybe in some sitlob out the idea of that uick think that maybe maybe in some sitlob out the idea of that was to lob out the idea of that was transphobic for saying things like , i dont want someone with like, i dont want someone with male genitalia in a female prison, say , well, i think prison, say, well, i think thats perfectly reasonable statement that people with male genitalia shouldnt be in female in in female prisons. And its that sort of conversation that we need to have. So we can build good policy that works for everybody. But the problem is, as soon as people start making those statements, our outcome, statements, then our outcome, the of transphobia and we the claims of transphobia and we just clock up the instances of transphobic hate , whereas in transphobic hate, whereas in reality we need to be having this discussion and we need to be talking about these issues. It doesnt help trans and it doesnt help trans people the people to be under the impression that transphobic hate is going through the roof. Impression that transphobic hate is going through the roof. You is going through the roof. You know, we need to get out there, do jobs and play our part in do our jobs and play our part in society i do, too, and society as i do, too, and encourage other people do. Encourage other people to do. Worlds great place. The worlds a great place. The countrys a great place to living. There are pretty and frieda, there are pretty much continents where and frieda, there are pretty munmuch continents where and frieda, there are pretty munmuch worse tinents where and frieda, there are pretty munmuch worse to ents where and frieda, there are pretty munmuch worse to bes where and frieda, there are pretty munmuch worse to be trans re and frieda, there are pretty munmuch worse to be trans than its much worse to be trans than its much worse to be trans than it is. It is. We dont judge. I mean, the continents were on the countries where it is better to be trans is where they have self id. See the you know, self id. We see the you know, people are happier overall. People are happier overall. Theres less misogynistic hate crime as well because those are more progressive societies. Thats will come in. Thats why self id will come in. But what i will say is if you want to look at eight crimes as because for me it mainly happens on twitter to be honest, or as its known now. So when this if this video goes out, patrick, onto twitter, you have to look at comments under this at the comments under this video, just being in video, just me being trans in a space like gb news cause space like gb news will cause a lot of people. You know, me. I do, by the way. I do see some of those comments, similar comments that happen at some times. And you are right that there are people who comment underneath tweets like when this inevitably goes out that will say things like, so you are absolutely right. I must say i have incredible have also seen an incredible amount of hate , often mobilised amount of hate, often mobilised not just here, but people in america, especially, who seem to jump america, especially, who seem to jump on board when people say, i think a woman is a woman and a man is a man and ive got to be honest with you, i have seen first hand some incredibly vile and disgusting, threatening stuff both sides of this stuff on both sides of this discussion. I really have seen that seen that first first hand. So go on friday. I can see you. Its not really a both sides discussion because trans gender people are a minority within a minority of lgbt spectrum. But so if you start saying its a both sides, youve got mean online. People are very , very online. People are very, very militant sometimes. And i do accept that there are probably what you might call trans rights activists who will spew all kinds of. But activists who will spew all kinds of. But but activists who will spew all kinds of. But but theyre activists who will spew all kinds of. But but theyre angry for a very good reason. We see our rights being removed, especially in america. Especially in america. Thats. Thats good, right . Thats good. Thats good thats good. Thats a good point. Debbie, are trans point. So, debbie, are trans rights being removed . Rights being removed . No, theyre not being removed at all. I would issue if at all. I would take issue if readers are only one side of this. There is only one side of this debate thats tried to get me sacked from work. And its not its not gender critical. Think we need to step so i think we need to step back and look at what finished here and think we need to have an adult conversation to develop good that works for good policy that works for everybody. Everybody. Okay. Both go on free to final word then go on. I was going to say, people have campaigned to have me removed from my job and ive been on tv. People say dont employ, dont put this person on the because know the telly because they know i can the argument. They can have the argument. They dont want people telly dont want people on the telly like who can have a like me who can have a reasonable discussion. Want like me who can have a reasto able discussion. Want like me who can have a reasto bee discussion. Want like me who can have a reasto be adiscussion. Want like me who can have a reasto be a trans;sion. Want like me who can have a reasto be a trans rights want like me who can have a reasto be a trans rights activist1t me to be a trans rights activist and fulfil that role being and fulfil that role of being angry time. But im not angry all the time. But im not and im happy to have this conversation with you, patrick, because i do because even though i do disagree lot of what you disagree with a lot of what you say mean, i do say sometimes, i mean, i do watch because i dont live watch this because i dont live in chamber and i and me in an echo chamber and i and me and debbie have fallen out before, but we dont, know, before, but we dont, you know, expect human being. Expect that shes a human being. Do you know what i we do. Do you know what i mean . We do. We trans people dont agree we do trans people dont agree with you know with each other. Do you know what mean . So, no, its not what i mean . So, no, its not one homogenous group. Say as well, and i would say as well, debbie, id be keen to get your view on this for the very final word before get shouted at and word before i get shouted at and taken you know, this taken off. But, you know, this idea of applying, pigeonholing people, think mainly people, i, i think has mainly been would argue, been a construct, i would argue, of progressives. Right. Its everythings got to have a label. Everythings got to have a flag attached to it. Everythings got to have this, that the other. And so is it that and the other. And so is it not quite to group people not quite easy to group people in debbie well, it it in together . Debbie well, it it is this happens and i dont is and this happens and i dont think its helpful to group this group, this group, these people together trans people. Together as trans people. Debbie im im debbie hit and im a teacher. Im a trade unionist. I do a bit of writing in the press i the fact that i happen to have a curious psychological condition , you know, lets leave condition, you know, lets leave that side. That to one side. Yeah. All right. That to one side. Yeah. All right. Okay. All yeah. All right. Okay. All right. Both of you. Thank you. Right. Both of you. Thank you. Ive thoroughly enjoyed this, actually. Of actually. And im sure most of our and listeners our viewers and listeners will have done as well. Great stuff. Okay. That indeed teacher okay. So that is indeed teacher journalist hayton and journalist Debbie Hayton and trans campaigner and the trans rights campaigner and the host of gender nebulous podcast , frieda wallace. So , frieda wallace. Right. So anyway, moving on, the former england kevin key from england manager, kevin key from one controversy to another, former england manager kevin keegan he doesnt keegan has said that he doesnt like women talking like listening to women talking about mens football. Isnt that about mens football. Isnt that about mens football. Isnt that a sexist view . Does he have a sexist view . Does he have a point . Patrick christys gb news britains news channel and another minefield. Sunday mornings from 930 on gb news. Welcome back. News. Welcome back. 10 to 5. Youre watching or listening to me, Patrick Christies on gb news at five. I will look at the uks new migrant agreement with the European Border agency. But before that, former england manager kevin keegan has revealed doesnt like revealed that he doesnt like listening about listening to women talking about mens football. So according to the times , keegan said, i dont the times, keegan said, i dont like to listen to ladies talking about the england mens team at the match because i dont think its the same experience. I have a problem with that. If i see an england lady footballer saying about england against scotland at wembley and shes saying , if at wembley and shes saying, if i would have been in that position, i would have done this, i dont think its quite the same. Um, i dont think it crosses over that much. Okay. Interested me. Well, i mean, has he got a point . Do you actually like female punditry on the mens games . Have got mens games . Have you got a problem with whenever say mens games . Have you got a pronomensi whenever say mens games . Have you got a pronomens world ever say mens games . Have you got a pronomens world cup say mens games . Have you got a pronomens world cup or say the womens world cup or something those it something along those lines, it just be only women on just seems to be only women on those panels. Whereas the those panels. Whereas when the mens on, you have mens game is going on, you have women. I know. Women involved. I dont know. What think . Im joined what do you think . Im joined now by former referee and fifa official janey frampton. Jane thank you. What do you reckon to kevin outdated kevin keegan then . Outdated dinosaur or got a point i think the conversation could almost end at outdated dinosaur. End at outdated dinosaur. Right. Right. And i think to start with , he and i think to start with, he shouldnt use the word the terminology ladies. Theyre women. So we dont refer to men as gentlemen. We refer to them as gentlemen. We refer to them as men. So thats the first point. The second point is we never complained when men were commentating on the womens game and saying its a different game. So how can they possibly know . So why are we gender know . So why are we gender fighting . Both aspects . Weve got some amazing women that commentate and i have to say theres a couple that their voice annoys me , but thats not voice annoys me, but thats not them being women. Its because they talk too quickly or theyre monotone. And that would be the same as if they were men. So you dont have to gender it. Okay, so thats my issue. Okay, so thats my issue. Do you not think that maybe a lot of men do prefer a male pundit on mens football, though . And is that a problem for you . For you . Yeah, i think its probably what theyve been used to, you know, and historically, it always was. Always was. Men look at what happened in two thousand and seven when Jacqui Oatley commentated on match of the day. She was trolled, she was vilified , and trolled, she was vilified, and she absolutely went through so much with 16 years later. So why are we still having this conversation . Conversation . Is there is there an argument . Yeah. Would would there be an argument that says that when an you watch some football punditry, you you might learn more from , say, a man whos won more from, say, a man whos won the world cup and the euros and four champions leagues now over many la ligas or premier League Titles than , you know, a female titles than, you know, a female Football Player who maybe hasnt done those things. Is there any is there any question overjust is there any question over just the calibre of the pundit, do you think, or is that not relevant . No, i dont think its relevant. Some of these women have got over 100 caps for their country regardless of the amount of games theyve played for their clubs. You look at sue smith, you look at her on gillette soccer special on a saturday afternoon. Sorry for the blast there but shes brilliant and she sits alongside her male colleagues and she talks a lot of sense, whether its positional play or tactical play. Shes brilliant. Youve only got to look at alex scott and a few others. I think weve got to realise the way fonnard is we take away the gender and we look at if the person is good enough to do that job. Okay. And just one final one with you. I mean, apparently alex scotts viewing figures, i believe on football focus. I mean , dan walker, a former mean, dan walker, a former colleague, of course, decided that he was going to point that out kind of politely. But we all know what he really meant. I mean, is there an argument to say that the market has decided that they do just prefer male pundits . Pundits . Well, they may or they may not. You know, that is not for me to really comment on because i think alex scott does very well whenever she comes across on commentary. I think some of the men across very well. The men come across very well. But, you know, also i sit there sometimes and listen to men on the radio and the tv and its like a lads chatting in a pub. I have to switch it off sometimes. Yeah, no , to be honest, yeah. Yeah, no, to be honest, yeah. Yeah, no, to be honest, yeah. A big issue. A big issue. No, fair enough. Janey, look, no, fair enough. Janey, look, thank you very much. Ive really enjoyed this conversation. I hope to. Well i kind of hope i dont have it again soon because that would imply someone that would imply that someone else up with Something Else has piped up with Something Else. There we go. Janey else. But there we go. Janey frampton. There of course, a former referee and fifa official. Do you of official. What do you make of that . I to know your views that . I want to know your views on whether you think on whether or not you think Kevin Keegans got a point or not. Views gbnews. Com. Not. Gb views or gbnews. Com. Ill them in the next ill get to them in the next houn ill get to them in the next hour. But there is some big news in the battle to the in the battle to solve the migrant britain is about migrant crisis. Britain is about to deal that will give us to sign a deal that will give us access to eu intelligence. Some people are saying actually people are saying this actually wont blind bit of wont make the blind bit of difference unless we the difference unless we turn the boat backs people are boat backs other people are saying, we should saying, huh, look, we should have left the the have never left the eu in the first place. Patrick christys gb news, news channel news, britains news channel hi there. Aidan mcgivern there. Its Aidan Mcgivern here from the office. With the gb from the met office. With the gb news. News forecast. Contrast north to south big contrast north to south across country the next big contrast north to south acrodays. Country the next few days. Mostly fine the south and mostly fine in the south and increasingly but its increasingly warm. But its cloudier, breezier its cloudier, its breezier and its wetter north. Certainly wetter further north. Certainly the case for the rest of thursday. Weve got low pressure sitting to the north west of scotland. Weather fronts pushing in weather fronts, in those weather fronts, bringing some persistent rain, especially higher parts bringing some persistent rain, es wales. higher parts bringing some persistent rain, es wales. Northern|igher parts bringing some persistent rain, es wales. Northern englandrts bringing some persistent rain, es wales. Northern england and of wales. Northern england and scotland. Spells of rain elsewhere across the northern two thirds of the uk. But for southern counties of wales, southern counties of wales, southern england, its mostly dry. As we end thursday and go into friday. A lot of cloud remaining still breezy overnight and as a result, its a mild night, virtually everywhere. Now one band of rain clears the Northern Isles first thing on friday. Another band of rain pushes some persistent wet weather into northern ireland, central and southern scotland , central and southern scotland, Northern England, north wales. Northern england, north wales. Either side of that, some brightness, quite a strong wind blowing across the north of scotland with the risk of gales less breezy further south where its going to be a warmer day for southern england and south wales. Temperatures into the low 20s turning warmer over turning even warmer here over the days into the the coming days into the weekend. Temperatures up into the mid 20s possible , but its the mid 20s possible, but its increasingly wet for scotland, especially western scotland, especially western scotland, especially higher parts where theres the risk of more than 100mm of rain building up so that north south contrast remains into the weekend its 5 pm, its Patrick Christys gb news bumper final hour of this show coming your way. Here we go. So eu immigration deal. Is it right that rishi sunak is about to sign a deal that frankly leaves a lot of people wondering why we bother to leave the European Union the first place . In union in the first place . In other news, ill be discussing this yes stop banning this as well. Yes stop banning things. Please can we things. All right. Please can we stop banning is smoking stop banning things . Is smoking , statues, whether , whether its statues, whether its going be cars at some its going to be cars at some point, isnt it . Can just point, isnt it . Can we just stop it . Adverts, adverts for junk are we banning junk food . Why are we banning all stop all of these things . Stop treating children. In treating us like children. In other over with , do other news, rant over with, do the young people deserve homes . Okay or actually, should they just be happy to rent . Is it because theyre all out there spending money on avocado and booze and other naughty things like that . Holidays when in reality , the older generation, reality, the older generation, they scrimped and saved and they worked very hard. And then they got ladder. Do got on the property ladder. Do young need to grow up young people need to grow up a bit . Also, i discussing this bit . Also, i was discussing this as crimes are down as well. Hate crimes are down overall , so its not really overall, so its not really hateful. Britain despite what you might be reading in some of the press. Ive got all that the press. Ive got all that coming your way and much, much more right here on gb news. Have i got one more for you as well . I got one more for you as well . I think i do, yes, i do. The mile high club. How could i forget coming up with this zinger . British ainnays zinger . So british ainnays have now uniform which is now got a new uniform which is causing a massive okay. Causing a massive hoo ha. Okay. A neutral uniform. So a gender neutral uniform. So there go. Patrick christys. There we go. Patrick christys. Gb news natural style. Hi clubs. Gb news natural style. Hi clubs. My finest work there. But anyway, get your emails coming in. Gb views. Gbnews. Com yeah. Talk to me about the young people. Do you think they are overly entitled when it comes to Home Ownership . Its because rishi sunak didnt mention anything about housing his anything about housing in his conference hes Conference Speech and now hes absolutely copping it. Gb views and gbnews. Com. But its the headunes and gbnews. Com. But its the headlines with polly. First headlines with polly. First patrick thank you. Good evening to you. Well, our top story from the gb newsroom is that a man who broke into Windsor Castle armed with a loaded crossbow with an intention to kill the late queen has been sentenced to nine years in jail for treason. Jaswant singh chail wandered around inside the grounds for two hours on Christmas Day, 2021, while the late queen was in residence. The old bailey today heard hed been encouraged by an Artificial Intelligence s virtual girlfriend , with which hed girlfriend, with which hed exchanged thousands of messages. The judge said jail was non psychotic and therefore culpable when he devised his plot but had lost touch with reality and become psychotic by the time he carried it out. Sir, Justice Hilliard delivered the sentencing. Now, in other news sentencing. Now, in other news today, the coach driver in the wirral bus crash has been described as having suffered an event at the wheel before the incident, which killed both him and a 15 year old girl. A Coroners Court has been hearing today cctv footage from inside the cab of the coach , which the cab of the coach, which showed the driver, David Shrimpton, slumped to the left while he was driving. 54 people were on board the bus when it overturned on the m50 three last. Friday now, sir keir starmer has revealed an extra 700,000 urgent dental appointments would be introduced under labour in plans to improve the nations oral health. The party would also introduce supervised tooth brushing, theyre calling it in schools across england in order to tackle what theyre calling preventable tooth decay in children , people in most need of children, people in most need of treatments, including fillings and root canal work would be prioritised as well. Under proposed rules aimed at rescuing nhs dentistry, the plans would be backed by a £111 million a year package which labour said would come from abolishing non domiciled tax status. Sir non domiciled tax status. Sir keir says labour wants to target areas where people cant get a dentist appointment. Dentist appointment. Too many places across the country theres a desert where you cant get an nhs dentist, so we also have a scheme in place to ensure that we get newly qualified dentists into those areas. Areas. So thats the immediate fix. But obviously in the longer term we need to do preventative measures. So the third limb of this is tooth brushing at schools where weve got the biggest problems in our breakfast clubs to make sure that children are brushing the right way and therefore we prevent some of the problems , prevent some of the problems, the cost of renting a property has increased to the highest level on record. Level on record. The average charge for a place to live, excluding london, is now almost £1,300 a month, which is the 15th consecutive quarter that the record has been broken at its worst. Still in the capital, with average rents rising to more than £2,600 a month. The research by property website rightmove also shows that demand is higher , with 25 that demand is higher, with 25 inquiries per dwelling compared to just eight before the pandemic. Like the prime pandemic. Like the Prime Minister says, he wants european leaders to unite and target people smugglers. Rishi sunak is in spain for the European Political Community summit, where hes going to be chairing talks with the italian Prime Minister on on the problem. Minister on on the problem. Well, the problem of migration was also spoken about and so was the war in ukraine. The Prime Minister met with ukraines president , Volodymyr Zelenskyy, saying europe must face down the threat from russia. The threat from russia. The transport secretary says cancelling the northern leg of hs2 will allow for investments that need to fit the needs of the country. Our apologies for the country. Our apologies for the wrong vision there. If youre watching on television, well get that sorted out for you. Well, let me tell you once again about the cancelling of the northern leg of hs2 to which was announced at tory Party Conference yesterday in the Prime Ministers speech, will the transport secretary, as i said, is saying now that the £36 billion saved will allow for investments that fit the needs of the whole country. Thats of the whole country. Thats after the Prime Minister made his keynote speech and announced net work north to replace the northern section of the line last night on twitter, now called x, the former Prime Ministers Boris Johnson and David Cameron both criticise the decision, saying that a once in a Generation Opportunity had been lost. And mark harper told been lost. And mark harper told gb news the facts, though, have changed. Well our apologies. Were unable to bring you that clip. Now lets take you back to events in ukraine. We were showing you pictures earlier on. Lets take another look at that footage where at least 51 people have died after a Russian Missile hit a cafe in North Eastern ukraine. Its reported the victims were holding a Memorial Service at the time , Memorial Service at the time, ukrainian officials called it a heinous crime. It appears to be one of the single biggest civilian death tolls since the start of the war. And lastly, here at home, the princess of wales has joined some of englands world cup, winning Wheelchair Rugby League squad , Wheelchair Rugby League squad, and she got stuck in as well at the event in hull, where she sat in a wheelchair for herself and gave the game a go. Kate, whos patron of rugby football patron of the rugby football league, there promote league, is there to promote inclusivity in the sport, much to the delight of the participants involved. Us gb participants involved. Us gb news across the uk on tv in your car, on Digital Radio and on your Smart Speaker by saying play gb news this is britains news channel. News channel. Welcome back all. We start with the big news in the battle to solve the migrant crisis. Britain is about to sign a deal that will give us access to eu intelligence. And in fact, rishi intelligence. And in fact, rishi sunak has been over in spain in granada trying to thrash this out with our european friends. What is fascinating is that actually, until a few weeks ago, the spanish were adamant they didnt even want to discuss this at particular meeting. But at this particular meeting. But more migrants have more than 25,000 migrants have crossed this year. Crossed the channel this year. Weve also been reporting widely about whats been going on in lampedusa, whats been going on in and the mass in greece, and the mass transport of human cargo and human traffic right across europe. Nations becoming europe. Nations becoming increasingly frustrated. Germany and france have now said that they are going to shut their borders to anyone whos passed through italy, which is remarkable considering that the vast majority of them thats not quite lot of them quite true. A lot of them are coming through italy, but a deal with Frontex Border Agency with the Frontex Border Agency could be confirmed next week. What will this mean . Well, it what will this mean . Well, it means that Border Force Officials will be able to keep track of migrant movements and people smuggling across europe for a couple of big points on this. Firstly, it could well suck the wind out of keir starmer sails. The Labour Party Conference starts over the weekend and then into early next week. And at that what labour really are expected to have said was we have got some kind of closer cooperation with our european friends and allies. Of course, we never really wanted to leave the European Union at all, but given that the tories forced that through, this is the best can do. Weve gone best that we can do. Weve gone to meet people frontex, weve to meet people at frontex, weve gone meet emmanuel macron, to meet people at frontex, weve gone how1eet emmanuel macron, to meet people at frontex, weve gone how wonderfulnuel macron, to meet people at frontex, weve gone how wonderful labouracron, to meet people at frontex, weve gone how wonderful labouracr we look how wonderful labour is. We can solve the migrant crisis with international with Greater International Cooperation. Sunak cooperation. What rishi sunak has just do that now , has done is just do that now, apparently. Taking the wind apparently. So taking the wind out sails. The second out of their sails. The second part of it is a lot of people are saying, well, we should never let the European Union. This big demonstration this is a big demonstration of that. Trying go that. Were now trying to go back something that we were that. Were now trying to go bain something that we were that. Were now trying to go bain the something that we were that. Were now trying to go bain the firstiething that we were that. Were now trying to go bain the first place. That we were that. Were now trying to go bain the first place. Again e were that. Were now trying to go bain the first place. Again the ere in in the first place. Again the flip side is, well, was it working at the time . Did it work at the time . And will this work . Richard of richard tice the leader of reform of parish reform and now of this parish was very vocal earlier on saying reform and now of this parish wasonly vocal earlier on saying reform and now of this parish wasonly thing earlier on saying reform and now of this parish wasonly thing that ier on saying reform and now of this parish wasonly thing that will n saying reform and now of this parish wasonly thing that will working reform and now of this parish wasonly thing that will work is; the only thing that will work is turning the boats and turning back the boats and Greater International Cooperation actually cooperation in is not actually the answer when it comes to a european setting because of a fundamental lack of political will. But joining me now is the former chief immigration officer of the uk border force. Its kevin saunders. Kevin, thank you kevin saunders. Kevin, thank you very, very much. Will working very, very much. Will working more closely with frontex at truly make a blind bit of difference . Difference . Yes, it will make a small difference, but it wont make a huge difference. Rick richard is right. The only way to stop it is to stop this problem is to stop the boats actually coming in. We before brexit, we were an associate member of frontex, so it meant we didnt have full membership, but we did bits and pieces with them. And sharing pieces with them. And sharing intelligence is always good, but sharing intelligence wont stop the boats. The boats. Okay. All right. So you think that maybe a bit too much could be made of this . And when theyre talking about a europe wide solution, possibly be the only europe wide solution would be to stop them entering europe . Yes, it would. The trouble is , weve heard people talk about a europe wide solution , um, for years. But europe is totally divided on this. I mean , did you know that i mean, did you know that hungary , for example, has only hungary, for example, has only taken 47 migrants . Poland will take ukrainians, but they wont take anybody else . Yeah um, theyre putting barriers up all over the place. Barriers up all over the place. I mean, the french have actually closed the crossing into italy on their border , so its on their border, so its ridiculous. The europeans cant ridiculous. The europeans cant agree on anything. Agree on anything. I suppose thats what theyre trying to do now, bizarrely as well. The next meeting of this particular European Group is taking place in england in spring, which should possibly be just before our general election. That will election. So that will be interesting. Politically, some people would say, look, when we were members european were members of the European Union, have done more. Union, we could have done more. We returns, agreements , we we had returns, agreements, we would have been having more intelligence to tackle the human traffickers, and that now does trying to get back involved with something is a visible sign of brexit weakness. What do you think of that . Think of that . No, patrick, weve got it. No, patrick, weve got it. Weve got to get get away from this nonsense that before brexit, everything was wonderful. All the returns agreement didnt work. Before brexit, we took more people from europe than they took from us. The only people that played the game with with pride prior to brexit was ireland. None of the other europeans did. It was a total, absolute mess. So lets lets get away from this before brexit, everything was wonderful. It wasnt so. I also think when it comes to the human traffickers, by the way, kevin as well, talking about, oh, all right. Okay. If we can share intelligence with frontex on human traffickers , i frontex on human traffickers, i would thought by would have thought by definition, if we were just to come and do more of that , come and do more of that, theyre already doing a lot. And theyre already doing a lot. And they already they are clearly already not smashing the human traffickers. So unless it is only britain with the intelligence, kevin, that could lead to crushing that could lead to us crushing these trafficking gangs , these Human Trafficking gangs, what benefit of working what is the benefit of working all together or am i being a bit naive . Youre youre naive . There no, youre youre youre completely right. Patrick. I mean, 125,000 going into italy alone and theyve got frontex is. Its theyve got frontex is. Its ridiculous, right . What what we need to what needs to be done is a yes , a needs to be done is a yes, a single european approach. Single european approach. But you wont get that. So but you wont get that. So what youve got to do is youve got to get the southern European Countries , ariz, spain, france , countries, ariz, spain, france, italy and greece. Yeah, working italy and greece. Yeah, working together to stop the boats coming across the mediterranean. Oh, we all or the entire European Union nations navies go and patrol the sea. I suppose where, where the entry point is around italy, around greece and around places like that, maybe that could be something. And the external borders of the eu for what its worth, apparently 72 of people who live the european who live within the European Union want the European Union to do preserve its external do more to preserve its external borders. So it shouldnt be a particularly unpopular decision. But kevin, were going to have to leave it there. Im afraid my good man. Thank you very, very much. Were a bit out of time because kevin saunders, who is the chief immigration the former chief immigration officer force, officer of the uk border force, im sure itll make a huge im not sure itll make a huge amount of difference. Certainly thats the view of thats not really the view of Dennis Mcshane richard or Dennis Mcshane richard tice or kevin three people kevin saunders. The three people that ive spoken about that ive spoken to about this right tell you right now. But ill tell you what i it might make a what i think it might make a difference. It might make a difference. It might make a difference politically in this country, means by country, which means nothing. By the about the way, if youre worried about having a Migrant Hotel near where spending a where you live or spending a load taxpayers the load of taxpayers money on the migrant crisis, but politically, it make a difference. It could well make a difference. Why . Keir starmer why . Because when keir starmer stands this is what stands up and says this is what i to do to tackle the i want to do to tackle the migrant as if its migrant crisis as if its exactly same what rishi exactly the same as what rishi sunak basically about to go exactly the same as what rishi sun. Announce. Ally about to go exactly the same as what rishi sun. Announce. Butabout to go exactly the same as what rishi sun. Announce. But keirt to go exactly the same as what rishi sun. Announce. But keir starmer and announce. But keir starmer also wont say anything when it comes to flying people to rwanda. You argue rwanda. For then you could argue if conservative that if you were a conservative that the want to do more and the tories want to do more and that may well be important at the election. On, the next election. Moving on, although get more on although you can get more on this on our website. How this story on our website. How could gbnews. Com its could i forget . Gbnews. Com its the growing national the Fastest Growing National News the country. Its news site in the country. Its got the best analysis, big opinion. The latest breaking got the best analysis, big opinio but the latest breaking got the best analysis, big opinio but heres latest breaking got the best analysis, big opinio but heres something king got the best analysis, big opinio but heres Something Else news. But heres Something Else that symptomatic of that i think is symptomatic of a bigger in society. If bigger problem in society. So if rishi his way in a rishi sunak gets his way in a few time , some adults will few years time, some adults will be banned from buying cigarettes. 6. 4 Million People in the uk smoke. But if sunak has unveiled plans to make it an offence for anyone born in 2009 or aftennards to be sold Tobacco Products. So the legal smoking age would then be increased every year. They did this in new zealand. Which brackets itself as a lovely , fluffy, soft as a lovely, fluffy, soft democracy of liberalism but is actually , as was evidenced actually, as was evidenced dunng actually, as was evidenced during the Coronavirus Crisis , during the Coronavirus Crisis, one of the most totalitarian authoritarian countries that ive ever seen. So it just doesnt really sit that well with me. I get that smoking is bad for you. I get that a minority of people smoke. I get that people dont like the smell. All of this stuff. But i just dont think its right to ban things, keep banning them and banning them and banning them. And we will end up with a situation where a 40 year old man is standing outside a spar or a corner shop in basingstoke asking a 41 year old man to go in and buy him a packet of marlboro gold and that is ridiculous. Lets speak now, though, to dr. Sudhanshu patwardhan from the centre of Health Research and education at southampton university. Thank you very, very much. So do you think this will actually make a Massive Health difference to the society , to the point where we society, to the point where we need to ban it all . First of all, thank you so much for having me on this. This this show. Just a quick correction. I am based in correction. I am based in southampton at the university of southampton at the university of southampton science park, so im not at the University Per se, and our centre for Health Research and education is a is a private health care company. We are working in Tobacco Cessation and a lot of our work is done in the uk, but also in south asia, particularly in india. So lets particularly in india. So lets jump particularly in india. So lets jump to the topic. What is exactly what exactly is the question you want to ask . Whats the point of banning smoking . Smoking . Well, smoking. Look im a doctor by training and its very evident that tobacco smoking , evident that tobacco smoking, especially in the uk where over the last few decades policies have been put in place which have been put in place which have chipped away at the number of people smoking and the prevalence has significantly dropped down. But you know what you mentioned 6. 4 Million People continue to Smoke Tobacco in this country. If you look at the this country. If you look at the data , it is very evident that data, it is very evident that tobacco use is an inequalitys issue, which means that those who are socioeconomically disadvantaged are more likely to be smoking and thats essentially widening the inequity gap. So anything that is going to help current smokers from from quitting tobacco is a good policy measure. And i think thats what i like to focus on. Now, if you want to talk about this proposed policy measure for future tobacco users, look , it future tobacco users, look, it cant be treated in isolation. It has to be part of a broader mix of policies. And bear in mind, this comes from a recommendation by dr. Javed khan from his report, independent report, he published last report, that he published last year on the Governments Commission opening. And this was one of the policy measures. But this is not the only one, but its not going to work, is it . I mean, cocaine is always illegal and weve got more cocaine users than weve ever had country. Look i do had in this country. Look i do not know the numbers about what happens with other drugs. This is about the use the this is about the sending the right message. And think it for the first time think of it for the first time in the last few years since covid government and i believe covid a government and i believe other Political Parties are all augned other Political Parties are all aligned with this this policy goal with regards to Public Health. Now, how often do we get pubuc health. Now, how often do we get Public Health to be on the top of the countrys agenda . Well, i think well, its interesting, but its interesting, but its interesting since interesting you said since covid, right . During covid, right . Because during covid, right . Because during covid, load of covid, we had a load of incredibly draconian measures placed on us by medical professionals that actually turned to destroy , boy, turned out to destroy, boy, a lot of peoples lives. And lead to a lot of excess deaths. That to a lot of excess deaths. That has happened. Okay so why should we now, as a nation be told by medical professionals as what i as a consenting adult can and cant do . Why do you want to cant do . Why do you want to control my life . I do not want to control anyones life here. I think my role and as a as a medical practitioner here, i believe that those smokers who need help to quit should be given and offered that help. And i governments role is to i think governments role is to make sure that that opportunity is available. Look at banning it. The biggest the banning it is not not its not not its not its not its not extra nicotine patches. Theyre not saying, you not going around saying, do you want to quit . Heres a vape. Theyre banning it. Where i the and thats where i think the discussion has move discussion really has to move away what the policy away from what the policy measure is going to do. But what are the solutions being offered to current i always are the solutions being offered to clthatt i always are the solutions being offered to clthat any i always are the solutions being offered to clthat any these always are the solutions being offered to clthat any these debates feel that any of these debates often forget that those 6 Million People in this in million plus people in this in this country another billion this country and another billion plus the world are not plus around the world are not getting the right level of advice from their from their governments, from their medical practitioners, around practitioners, people around them. Think that part of them. And i think that part of them. And i think that part of the debate is always sort of forgotten. Its almost like the government, the Health Care Practitioners you know practitioners saying, you know what, care what, were not really care about and know about your health and we know youre years youre going to die 15 years earlier of smoking. But earlier because of smoking. But we want to focus on the only on the future general ones, which is important, not the only is important, but not the only thing to focus on. Do you see what i mean . Yeah. No, really . On yeah. No, really . Because on the packets of the on the packets of cigarettes, got a picture cigarettes, youve got a picture of a disease a throat of a disease lung, a throat tumour or one of them. Its my personal favourite man personal favourite is a man crying foetal position on crying in the foetal position on the to say how smoking the bed to say how smoking causes impotence. Right. We causes impotence. Right. So we dont them. Dont have any branding on them. So knows smoking so Everybody Knows that smoking is bad for you. But sometimes a hypothetical 31 year old man walks into a newsagent and wants to buy himself a packet of cigarettes because as an adult he makes that decision. Why shouldnt i be allowed to do that . Thats a great question about personal choice. And look, as a medical professional, im not going to going to get into the debate about where does one draw the line on personal choice . Im so sorry to say that. Think so sorry to say that. I think where we to forget is where we have to not forget is if is smoking that is if an adult is smoking that is affecting their chance of living affecting their chance of living a happier , healthier, longer a happier, healthier, longer life. And for those around them andits life. And for those around them and its up to Health Care Professionals , governments and professionals, governments and those around them to be able to at least offer the support to quit nasty forms of tobacco and de banking do you think we should ban junk food . Do you think . Do you think that ban ban burgers that we should ban ban burgers being sold to children . Being sold to children . No. Look, i think that is the debate that always goes on, right in the society. And where right in the society. And where do you draw the line . Which what is acceptable and what is not . And i do wish to get dragged and i do not wish to get dragged purely because there are many more experts can talk more experts who can talk about it. Can about is, it. What i can talk about is, look, the next generation of nicotine users in country nicotine users in this country is absolutely not required , is absolutely not required, because currently the view that is prevalent is that Tobacco Products that are in the market are causing only harm and nothing else. And i completely sign up to that. Now, lets switch gears and look at where does nicotine fit in this broader context. Yeah, and does nicotine fit in this broader context. Yeah, and i would like to just take a minute to talk about this, please. Tobacco products so combustible or smoked cigarette products, for example , or even smokeless for example, or even Smokeless Products that are very commonly used among the south asian diaspora in the uk. And theres about a few hundred thousand people here who consume those products. These cause the harms products. These cause the harms from tobacco, either burnt tobacco or toxicants. Now nicotine in these products is the is the dependence causing chemical psychoactive substance. However people often mix the two up in terms of mentally thinking that theyre all the same thing. And a recent survey that i was quite fortunate to see the data from and its now Public Domain is that shows that doctors around the world, all around 12 countries where this survey was conducted among 15,000 doctors, they wrongly believed that nicotine in these Tobacco Products causes cancer. Now, imagine the same doctors are expected to provide. You mentioned nicotine patches earlier , right . Nicotine patches earlier, right . Nicotine patches or in those countries where Electronic Cigarettes are approved and allowed or even nicotine pouches, doctors will not recommend these products to their patients for long term use to quit smoking or to quit tobacco because they have these wrong these wrong wrong they harbour these wrong perceptions. And i think thats the big area of what we need to work on. Thats what we really do in centre, trying to do in our centre, trying to educate care educate Health Care Practitioners be better at practitioners to be better at supporting the current users of tobacco. I think is a tobacco. And that i think is a big job in itself because. Big job in itself because. Tough, right. Thank you very, very coming on. Its very much for coming on. Its been absolute pleasure, been an absolute pleasure, i must great to get your must say. Great to get your views. Jianshu patwardhan views. Doctorjianshu patwardhan there the centre for health there from the centre for Health Research , somewhere near research, somewhere near southampton university, i think. Anyway, more than 100,000 race hate crimes were recorded by police in just 12 months that, believe it or not, is down by 6 on the previous year. So what does that tell us about the state of britain in 2023 . Patrick christys gb news, britains news channel news. The peoples channel. Britains news channel. Britains news channel. Britains news channel. Welcome back. It is 5 27. Youre watching or listening to me. Patrick christys on gb news now a little later this hour, ill give my take on a new gender neutral british ainnays uniform been branded uniform that have been branded an attack women. Okay. An attack on women. Yes. Okay. All right. British ainnays, by all right. British ainnays, by the way, ive got a view or two on that, but ill save that. Now, the number of hate crimes recorded dropped recorded by police has dropped for the first time a decade. For the first time in a decade. So been 6 fall in so theres been a 6 fall in race. Hate crimes in england and wales. What does this tell us . Well Kemi Badenoch told the tory Party Conference on tuesday that the is the best country in the uk is the best country in the uk is the best country in the world to be black. She also criticised labour kemi they want young people to believe a narrative of hopelessness, a narrative of hopelessness, a narrative that says there is no point in trying because British Society is against you and youre better off asking for reparations. Reparations. A narrative that tells children like mine that the odds are stacked against them. I tell my children that this is the best country in the world to be black because it is a country that sees people, not labels. That sees people, not labels. Okay. So im joined now by the actor and anti racism campaigner femi nylander. Femi thank you very much for joining me. So weve got numerous different ethnic minorities in government and in the labour party as well. Weve also got the fact that race hate crimes apparently are down 6 despite there being more ethnic minorities in the country than ever before. Were doing all ever before. Were doing all right, arent we . I mean , as you said, its i mean, as you said, its down for the first time in six years. So what this really shows is that over the whole period of brexit, over the whole period that weve seen the rise of this kind of very, very, very anti migrant conservative government, its been rising and now, yes, its fallen or at least reported incidents have fallen, which doesnt necessarily say that the actual incidents have fallen. That might represent a decrease in trust in institutions like the police , because obviously when police, because obviously when my bike gets nicked, i never report it to the police because i never think the police are going to do anything about it. Ive had about three bikes nicked, reported the first two and they didnt get found. So the one, didnt report the third one, i didnt report it same thing. If i dont it the same thing. If i dont believe that police are believe that the police are going anything about going to do anything about a race, a hate crime, because race, a race hate crime, because i what this government is i see what this government is saying. Going on in saying. I see whats going on in the at the moment, then the country at the moment, then im less likely to take it fonnard. So, yes, might well be so, yes, it might well be possible that it has fallen. But then remember, its been rising years. Its rising for six years. So its not necessarily best of not necessarily the best of things. But i mean, if it is, then im of course im happy to have racially aggravated then im of course im happy to have crimes. ially aggravated then im of course im happy to have crimes. Um, aggravated then im of course im happy to have crimes. Um, butjravated then im of course im happy to have crimes. Um, but iavated then im of course im happy to have crimes. Um, but i think, hate crimes. Um, but i think, yeah, as a one thing, one thing i found interesting. One thing found yeah. One thing i found interesting about, about recent discussions is, mean, it ties discussions is, i mean, it ties into is had a big into this is we had a Big Conversation a nation conversation as a nation apparently whether not apparently about whether or not multiculturalism failed. Multiculturalism has failed. Suella braverman that Suella Braverman was saying that it then load of it has. And then a load of people the were saying, people on the left were saying, how this how dare she say this multiculturalism has not failed in this country. But then load in this country. But then a load of always seem of those same people always seem to that were a racist to think that were a racist country and i didnt quite understand that. Maybe understand that. But maybe thats bit thick. Thats because im a bit thick. Your dont understand. So multiculturalism. Yeah. Yeah. Can multiculturalism have how can multiculturalism have succeeded the country still succeeded in the country still be is that what youre be racist . Is that what youre saying . Be racist . Is that what youre say basically. Be racist . Is that what youre say isrsically. Be racist . Is that what youre say is that. Ly. Be racist . Is that what youre say is that the question . Um, is that the question . Um, i mean, you can have something that kind succeeds on some that kind of succeeds on some parameters fails another parameters and fails another parameters. You can say that britain is a better place for having range of having a diverse range of peoples and languages and religions seated within. And britain is, id say if you go to somewhere like london, a lot of people will say, oh, london, its turned into bangladesh, people will say, oh, london, its turned into africa. Idesh, people will say, oh, london, its turned into africa. But1, its turned into africa. But i think one of the best think thats one of the best things countries in the things in most countries in the world. Can only go to a if i world. I can only go to a if i go to the capital city, ill meet one of person. If i go meet one kind of person. If i go to somewhere like sweden, ill meet mostly swedish people. If i go somewhere, like go to somewhere, um, like kazakhstan, its going everyones kazakh. Everyones going to be kazakh. Londons a place where i can go. I Love Learning languages. I love different Love Learning different cultures. London and cultures. I can go to london and i can know that i can meet people different cultures. People from different cultures. I wonderful i think thats a wonderful thing. Has been thing. If that has been accompanied elements accompanied with some elements of british getting more of British Society getting more scared getting scared about minorities, getting more scared about different cultures coming over and cultural then, cultural mixing, then, then, then possible. Then thats perfectly possible. Its possible. Its perfectly possible. Thought, yeah. I would have thought, yeah. I would have thought, yeah. How people react to as and how people react to it as though bad. And how people react to it as tho yeah. Bad. And how people react to it as tho yeah. Im bad. And how people react to it as tho yeah. Im just. Bad. And how people react to it as tho yeah. Im just. Im bad. And how people react to it as tho yeah. Im just. Im just yeah. Im just. Im just listening to what youre saying there. You know, saying there. You know, youre saying that especially is that like london, especially is a a city full of a its a great city full of multicultural, probably most multicultural, probably the most multicultural, probably the most multicultural world, multicultural, probably the most multicultyour world, multicultural, probably the most multicultyour favourite world, multicultural, probably the most multicultyour favourite city ld, multicultural, probably the most multicultyour favourite city in. Arguably your favourite city in the world. Got that on the world. Youve got that on your youre an your doorstep. Youre an anti racism were anti racism campaigner. Were seeing crimes seeing that race, hate crimes are well. I thought are down as well. I thought youd be cockahoop about all of this. You youve. Youve succeeded. You. Youre succeeded. Youre you. Youre very close your very youre very close to your your ambition your lifes ambition being complete. Still complete. No, but youre still miserable about it. Very close to im not very close to my lifes ambition being complete. Im a good im just saying its a good thing london is a city like thing that london is a city like london different. I can go london has different. I can go there i find out about there and i can find out about hispanic i can there hispanic people. I can go there and out about what and i can find out about what people live like, how they what they believe in different parts of world. That doesnt mean of the world. That doesnt mean that the Justice System that the criminal Justice System in uk doesnt have a long in the uk doesnt have a long way that doesnt mean way to go. That doesnt mean that kind speech suella that the kind of speech Suella Braverman said braverman gave where she said that a hurricane that there was a hurricane coming migrants not coming of migrants is not ridiculous scaremongering. That coming of migrants is not ridiculo mean� aremongering. That coming of migrants is not ridiculo mean thationgering. That coming of migrants is not ridiculo mean that thatering. That coming of migrants is not ridiculo mean that that i ng. That coming of migrants is not ridiculo mean that that i myselft doesnt mean that that i myself am not more likely to get stopped and searched than you. Its like the two things can be can exist at the same time. Okay, good stuff. Femi, thank you very much. I do really always genuinely enjoy our chat, so ill see you very soon. Femi nylander is an actor and nylander there is an actor and anti racism campaigner has anti racism campaigner now. Has loads between now loads more to come between now and the renting and six. The cost of renting record high. Im going to record high. But im going to ask young people to entitled ask our young people to entitled when it comes to Home Ownership. But though, headlines but now though, your headlines with middlehurst. Patrick with polly middlehurst. Patrick thank you. The top stories this hour. A man who broke into Windsor Castle armed with a loaded crossbow with the intention of killing the late queen has been sentenced to nine years for the crime of treason. Jaswant singh chahal was found wandering in the grounds of Windsor Castle on Christmas Day 2021, while while the late queen was in residence, the late queen was in residence, the judge said charles was culpable when he devised his plot but had lost touch with reality and become psychotic by the time he carried it out. Also in the news today, at least 51 people have died after a Russian Missile hit a cafe in northeastern ukraine. Its reported the victims had been holding a Memorial Service at the time. 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Buying you in the pound today. Buying you 1. 2175 and ,1. 1560. The price of gold is £1,493 an ounce and the ftse 100 has closed the day at 7451 points. Did direct bullion sponsors the finance report on gb news investments that matter. Debate time now that matter. Debate time now because the average rent for uk homes outside of london has reached record highs of almost 1000 hundred pounds a month. That is according to the property portal rightmove. In property portal rightmove. In fact, the overall stats are absolutely astonishing. Apparently the average rental price per month in london is £2,600, but places like preston as well , so not the usual place as well, so not the usual place where you might think rents are going to surge. Theyve shot up rents. Average rents have shot up. And so now more so than up. And so now more so than even up. And so now more so than ever, i think its more unaffordable, more unobtainable for people to buy their own home. So im asking whether or not young people just need to give up on that dream or or actually could young people buy their own home if they stop doing like going out, doing things like going out, smashing smearing smashing cocktails and smearing avocado and everything. Here to discuss this is jason reed, whos head of global whos the head of Global Projects and the projects at young voices and the former special adviser to michael gove. Charlie rowley. Both of you, thank you very much. You on much. Charlie where are you on this . Young people this . Should young people just just banging about home just stop banging on about Home Ownership maybe their ownership and maybe live their lives , save of cash lives better, save a bit of cash and 1 1 day . Well no one and buy 1 1 day . Well no one should give up on the prospect of their own youre of owning their own home. Youre absolutely you know, absolutely right that, you know, rents going up. Rents are going up. Thats something that we all have to of. Have to be wary of. But no, youre absolutely right. You know, people should you know, young people should be hold on to that dream be able to hold on to that dream because it is actually if you look at people that do their look at people that do own their own home, Monthly Payments own home, their Monthly Payments in terms of a mortgage far less. Now than than renting. Now than than renting. The problem is, is that we dont have the housing supply in this so absolutely this country. So we absolutely need more homes all of need to build more homes all of the time everywhere to make sure that that that were addressing that supply making supply issue and making sure that the deposit to that people have the deposit to put down. In the first instance, we have buy scheme. Have the help to buy scheme. Previously as previously that ended because as it was quite costly for the government, help many government, didnt help as many people might done. So people as it might have done. So getting deposit and getting the deposit and the supply help people on to supply will help people go on to own their own home. All right. I will enter okay. All right. I will enter into the fray now. The wonderful jason reed. Jason. Yeah where are and look, you are you on this . And look, you know, back in day, older know, back in the day, older people, three jobs. People, they worked three jobs. They on foreign they didnt go on foreign holidays. Didnt have holidays. They didnt have fancy, nice things. They just saved for a house. Im afraid young people wanting unable to buy wanting to being unable to buy a house got absolutely nothing house has got absolutely nothing to their spending habits. All the evidence shows that all the evidence shows that young are partying less, young people are partying less, drinking going less drinking less going out, less than generations , and yet than past generations, and yet theyre further than past generations from a house generations from buying a house because the cost of housing has skyrocketed , both for buying and skyrocketed, both for buying and for renting. Im one of those young people who has that dream of buying a house, and at the moment it looks like its going to remain a dream because the pnces to remain a dream because the prices just a stratospheric prices are just a stratospheric at point. And were seeing at this point. And were seeing the in the rental the result of that in the rental market. Of course, Interest Rates lot of rates are squeezing a lot of landlords out rental landlords out of the rental market, as well as other obstacles the obstacles put in place by the government. Things energy government. Things like Energy Certificates other taxes certificates and other taxes imposed, theres imposed, which means theres a lower of rental lower supply of rental properties well. And that properties as well. And that means struggling means that people are struggling to property. Were to get a rental property. Were seeing huge queues of 2025 people for the same people bidding for the same property. People for a year property. People ask for a year of rent upfront, which of course the majority of people cannot afford or its just not a pretty situation at all. The only way out of it is to build a lot more. Okay. Well, charlie, you know, rishi sunak was banging on, wasnt he . Long term Decision Making for a better future. Mean, the things future. I mean, the things staring in face there staring him in the face there was building for people was building places for people to , and just swerved to live, and he just swerved that completely. Why . Well, i think the conference was predominantly about taking the long term decisions for the country, and thats focusing on things like hs2 that have been leaked, dealing with the education system. And you know, and other such announcements. It wasnt the packed policy packed Conference Full of policy announcements, but i think over time will see more time we will see more announcements being made particular on housing, because i think it is something that has blighted governments, labour and conservative for decades. So making sure that rishi, i think what hell want to do is to make sure hes across all of the detail of all of the issues, why were not building enough homes see that through. One homes and see that through. One thing, stands out to thing, jason, that stands out to me that predominantly, me is that predominantly, i think it was ever thus, by the way, younger people tend be way, younger people tend to be more to probably be a bit more likely to probably be a bit more likely to probably be a bit more wing and maybe a bit more left wing and maybe a bit more left wing and maybe a bit more of border more in favour of open border and migration all of and mass migration and all of that stuff. Isnt the irony if more people more more young people wanted more massive migration, massive controls on migration, we more housing to go we might have more housing to go around. Think this is a well, i think this is a common red herring. Immigration has got nothing to do with the housing in housing shortage in this country. If immigration country. Even if immigration dropped to zero tomorrow, we would still significant would still have a significant housing shortage in this country. The problem is that we are not building enough. Its as simple as that. Immigrants contribute to Economic Growth, simple as that. Immigrants contlikeze to Economic Growth, simple as that. Immigrants contlike buildingiomic growth, simple as that. Immigrants contlike building more growth, simple as that. Immigrants contlike building more housing just like building more housing would all we need a bit would do. All we need is a bit of political will to get behind a significant building agenda. A significant building agenda. But unfortunately, going but unfortunately, were going in the wrong direction. Were seeing regulated plans put seeing more regulated plans put in place. Were seeing the housing target. Jason yeah, mean, jason yeah, i mean, look, jason do. Do. We are, you jason i do. I do. We are, you know, were a broad church here at gb news. I mean, with absolute i cant let absolute respect, i cant let you with saying that you get away with saying that Mass Immigration nothing Mass Immigration has had nothing to housing shortage. To do with the housing shortage. I are living i mean, they are living in houses. Jason yes , but that houses. Jason yes, but that doesnt mean we should stop immigration in order to deal with housing crisis. Immigration in order to deal witithe housing crisis. Immigration in order to deal witithe two jsing crisis. Immigration in order to deal witithe two issuesrisis. Immigration in order to deal witithe two issues are. Immigration in order to deal witithe two issues are not the two issues are not related. Immigration contributes related. Immigration contributes a amount Economic Growth a huge amount to Economic Growth and plenty other and theres plenty of other reasons why immigration is a good thing for the country as well. Nothing else, just the well. If nothing else, just the fact it benefits us fact that i think it benefits us to have the minds from to have the best minds from around world coming and around the world coming and wanting to live and study and work in. Do you think of that, what do you think of that, charlie, in the sense of, charlie, just in the sense of, lets we allow another lets say we allow another 500,000 year to come 500,000 people next year to come and we havent i mean, theyre going to have to live somewhere. I mean, that surely is a pressure on the Housing Market. It absolutely is. It absolutely is. Know, its just a fact you know, its just a fact that people have the that more people have in the country and the more housing or the housing that you have available. So weve got to make sure we get balance between get the balance between immigration to fill the jobs get the balance between imm are tion to fill the jobs get the balance between imm are inn to fill the jobs get the balance between imm are in the fill the jobs get the balance between imm are in the economy, bs get the balance between imm are in the economy, but that are in the economy, but also that you are also making sure that you are encouraging local communities and local authorities to approve planning a planning permissions in a sustainable way. That doesnt put much other pressure on put too much other pressure on other Public Services to allow local to the homes local people to buy the homes that they need. You would you jason, would you would you slap a load houses on the slap a load of houses on the green would you just green belt then . Would you just you just you just paint the countryside grey . Are load of thousands there are a load of thousands of sites in this country that are are brownfield, that are that are brownfield, that are that are brownfield, that are development, are that are brownfield, that are are development, are that are brownfield, that are are not development, are that are brownfield, that are are not developing nt, are that are brownfield, that are are not developing. T, are that are brownfield, that are are not developing. And the we are not developing. And the problem weve got is an incentive. One other countries around are finding around the world are finding Creative Solutions to this. The conservative party canada, conservative party of canada, for campaigning for example, is campaigning really on housing and has really hard on housing and has a huge polling lead by the way. They to effectively hold they want to effectively hold local funding hostage local government funding hostage and tell the local authorities youve build houses in youve got to build houses in your in the most high your area in the most high demand areas , othennise you demand areas, othennise you wont get your funding. I think thats a great idea. The thats a great idea. At the moment country, its too moment in this country, its too easy people in local easy for people in local government block every government to just block every Housing Project comes Housing Project that comes across and hope that across their desk and hope that someone will fix the someone else will fix the problem. The is problem. And the result is nothing and prices nothing gets built and prices just going up. Just keep going up. Whether or not i wonder whether or not theres a problem with just the amount places that people amount of places that people want now. So dare i say want to live now. So dare i say it, people shout their it, people might shout at their tv now, but i think the tv screens now, but i think the world was a smaller place. Maybe back in the day before social media, with back in the day before social media people with back in the day before social mediapeople becometh back in the day before social mediapeople become global which people can become global citizens, as it were. So maybe, charlie, people were more inclined to live in huddersfield, die in huddersfield, die in huddersfield, whereas huddersfield, okay. Whereas now people well , i people might go, oh, well, i want to london. And so want to move to london. And so we end with a situation where we end up with a situation where we end up with a situation where we a Huge Population in, in we have a Huge Population in, in a concentrated area. And a smaller concentrated area. And actually we did, dare i actually maybe if we did, dare i say it, level up a bit more, that might help a bit the that might help a bit with the housing crisis. Patrick, think youve and patrick, i think youve just nail totally on the just hit the nail totally on the head. Know, housing is you know, housing policy is always takes a always catching up. It takes a long time build a house or to long time to build a house or to build a community or a set of houses and use units and previously, i think youre absolutely right. Previously, i think youre abs people right. Previously, i think youre abs people were to travel people were happy to travel or in their local area. Or to stay in their local area. They then of saw london they then sort of saw london as the beacon of opportunity or or city area. Or the city area. So moved to the city. So they moved to the city. But youre absolutely right. But now youre absolutely right. To level up this in order to level up this country, be able to country, you should be able to stay and go far because stay local and go far because the opportunities should be right on your doorstep. So wherever are, perhaps so wherever you are, perhaps as student, you should be able as a student, you should be able to in your area or to stay in your local area or live and the same live nearby and have the same opportunities, same housing opportunities, the same housing prospects, health prospects, the same health prospects, the same health prospects, education, job opportunities, just as anybody else until invest in terms but until we invest in terms of building those homes, until we in public we invest in those Public Services those homes need services where those homes need to then were always to be built, then were always going our tail. Going to be chasing our tail. All right, chaps, thank you very, very much. Great to have you the show. Jason reid you both on the show. Jason reid there, of global there, whos head of Global Projects at young and projects at young voices and the former adviser former special adviser to Michael Charlie rowley. Michael gove. Charlie rowley. Now, will be now, no doubt that will be kicking the inbox. I will kicking off in the inbox. I will delve shortly. Delve in there shortly. Vaiews gbnews. Com. British vaiews gbnews. Com. But british ainnays criticised over ainnays has been criticised over new neutral for new gender neutral uniforms for cabin crew. Apparently some female its female bar staff say its an attack on women. Other people attack on women. Other people say just plain stupid. Ha say its just plain stupid. Ha Patrick Christys on gb news britains news channel on gb news, the peoples. Channel welcome back. 547 you are watching or listening to me Patrick Christys on gb news now. Female staff at british ainnays are fuming, fuming over what they call cheap uniforms aimed at the airlines binary cabin crew members. Only recently, the crew members. Only recently, the airline relaxed their uniform policy to allow male crew members to wear makeup and carry handbags. Can i just say right, that it was not recently only that it was not recently only that male air stewards or cabin crew have started wearing makeup as it and anyone that thinks that male air stewards recently started wearing makeup and that thatis started wearing makeup and that that is a new thing i think hasnt ever been flying have they but ba launched this new uniform for the first time in almost two decades, saying that it was designed to take the airline into the next chapter. Was interesting really, isnt it . That and how would you feel about that . I suppose no ones forcing anything on anyone, are they . Theyre not forcing men to wear skirts or women to wear trouser suits or anything along those lines. But can i just make a broader point about british ainnays . Right. That it ainnays . Right. Which is that it is now a budget airline, british ainnays doesnt do what ryanair does. Ainnays doesnt do what ryanair does. Ryanair ainnays doesnt do what ryanair does. Ryanair is ainnays doesnt do what ryanair does. Ryanair is very open about does. Ryanair is very open about the idea that they would strap you to the wings of that plane if they could get away with it and fly. As many of you as quickly as possible, wherever you wanted to go. And they would keep that make as much keep doing that to make as much money brazier. Ryanair very money as brazier. Ryanair very open about that. Okay open and honest about that. Okay british ainnays gives the pretence of luxury. It tries to claim , look at this. Its suave, claim, look at this. Its suave, its class, its great, isnt it . Its not. Its ridiculous. It . Its not. Its ridiculous. When i went on holiday, i couldnt even sandwich on couldnt even get a sandwich on that theyre all back. My that plane. Theyre all back. My producer here flew. British ainnays was delayed by 48 hours. The other day. I had a great day. Here, its day. He wasnt here, but its not point. Okay . Its not not the point. Okay . Its not the british ainnays, the point. British ainnays, everyone at the everyone i seem to know at the moment a problem with moment has a problem with british ainnays. Of course, british ainnays. Of course, british ainnays. Of course, british ainnays would no doubt dispute and make a dispute all of this. And make a cogent argument for how great a product they provide for the nation. , last year, nation. In fact, last year, british ainnays issued the following we following statement. We are proud of all of our colleagues at british ainnays, and we are committed inclusive committed to an inclusive working have working environment. We have worked our people to create worked with our people to create updated guidelines for grooming. Oh got the wrong end of the stick there. Beauty and accessories. Allowing our colleagues to bring the best, most authentic version of themselves to work every day. British ainnays, all i want from you is to bring a plane to the runway every day when i pay for it , i want to know its runway every day when i pay for it, i want to know its going to turn up. And heres another little piece of advice for you, right . If you know that youve got this amount of people on an aeroplane, okay . And every single flight goes off and you get halfway down the airline and youve run out of food, provide more food or just just seriously. Right. Anyway, about experience on ba. Ill stop with that. Now lets catch up with our old friends that Just Stop Oil. Five people were arrested after invaded the oil. Five people were arrested after at invaded the oil. Five people were arrested after at a invaded the oil. Five people were arrested after at a performance the oil. Five people were arrested after at a performance ofe oil. Five people were arrested after at a performance of les stage at a performance of Les Miserables yesterday evening. Heres what happened. Take your chance. The blood of the martyrs of les batus. A price developing les batus. A price developing eagle say singing the song of birds. Yeah birds. Yeah what i find interesting about this is that that old phrase , this is that that old phrase, the show must go on. Well, it didnt go on, did it . It didnt go on. They capitulated to a load of gobby young individuals whove probably got excessive armpits and hair, glueing armpits and leg hair, glueing themselves or doing whatever theyre doing a stage theyre doing to a stage shouting oil to a group of shouting about oil to a group of people who are probably already politically aligned them, to politically aligned to them, to make difference to the wider make no difference to the wider world whatsoever. Okay. And yet that show ended. That was it. That show ended. That was it. Finito. A miserable evening, as they say. But yes, heres they say. But yes, heres another little story thats caught my eye before i delve into the terrifying world of my inbox , a british brewery that inbox, a british brewery that was shipped brick by brick to pyongyang, of all places has been honoured of one of north koreas top ten businesses. The brewery was previously based in wiltshire , but has been open in wiltshire, but has been open in the communist country for 21 years. State media reported that the unpronounceable beer factory has been praised for its contribution to the five year plan for National Economic development. I just wonder how that situation ever happened. Do you think there were some people just casually brewing away in wiltshire going about their business and then the delegation from north rocks up and from north korea rocks up and they go, heres £1. 5 million to buy your brewery. They take it buy your brewery. They take it apart brick by brick and fly it over to pyongyang. And now over to pyongyang. And now pyongyang has wiltshire based been pyongyang has wiltshire based beer. Fascinating stuff. Im going to finish the show by going to finish the show by going into my inbox and the thing that pops off most is Kevin Keegans comments about whether or not female football pundits well , not quite should pundits well, not quite should exist, but whether they should come and say and give their punditry on the mens game. He just says he doesnt really like it. Okay. Ive got to be honest. Im not saying that i would have said that loud, but i said that out loud, but i do know a huge of male know a huge amount of male football who think that football fans who think that having female pundits is not necessarily the best thing in the world. And they do question why there never appear to be many male pundits on the womens games. And also when youre looking for the football results on prominent news websites, its easy to fall foul of clicking on the wrong fixture, isnt it . Because they dont tend to say womens game. They dress up womens game. They dress it up as arsenal chelsea. As tonight, arsenal v chelsea. And turns out its not. But and it turns out its not. But anyway, jane says equality for a woman who develops her career in sport coverage is important. But also men need something of their own. The push of female into the male domain for the sake of making a point of equality negates true equality. Oh, jane, negates true equality. Oh, jane, thats profound. I like that. Thats profound. I like that. Thank you very, very much. Weve also here got kevin keegan was bang on and his view is echoed by the vast majority of football fans i know, including the women in yet another example where the vast majority us are supposed vast majority of us are supposed to up and accept a minority to shut up and accept a minority view. He goes to shut up and accept a minority view. He goes on to to shut up and accept a minority view. He goes on to say, though view. He goes on to say, though i do agree, however, with Kevin Keegans assessment of gabby yorath, which i believe is gabby logan , because kevin keegan did logan, because kevin keegan did say that he liked her and she is brilliant and far more talented than gary lineker. So there you go. Its a mixed bag in the inbox, but i cant help but wonder whether or not really. Kevin keegan despite now definitely going to get himself cancelled, will almost definitely never work as a pundit again and be classed as being, you know, unsafe to be had around you. News channels everywhere, probably just have the majority view on this, but there we thank you very much there we go. Thank you very much for everybody been for everybody whos been emailing getting emailing in whos been getting in touch as you can see, jobs will be next with dewbs co will be up next with dewbs co michelle dewberry. Then will michelle dewberry. Then it will be nigel farage, then will be be nigel farage, then it will be jacob then it will be jacob rees mogg, then it will be me. I am on jacob rees mogg, then it will be me. I am on nine till 11 pm. Join me. Hi there. Its Aidan Mcgivern here from the met office. With the gb news forecast. With the gb news forecast. Big contrast north to south across the country over the next few days. Fine in the south and mostly fine in the south and increasingly warm. But its cloudier, its breezier and its wetter certainly wetter further north. Certainly the case for the rest of thursday. Weve got low pressure sitting the north west of sitting to the north west of scotland. Fronts pushing scotland. Weather fronts pushing in those weather fronts, bringing some persistent rain, especially for the higher parts of wales , Northern England of wales, Northern England and scotland , spells of rain scotland, spells of rain elsewhere across the northern two thirds of the uk. But for southern counties of wales, southern counties of wales, southern england, its mostly dry. As we end thursday and go into friday, a lot of cloud remaining still breezy overnight and as a result, its a mild night, virtually everywhere. Now one band of rain clears the Northern Isles first thing on friday. Another band of rain pushes some persistent wet weather into northern ireland, central and southern scotland , central and southern scotland, Northern England, north wales. Northern england, north wales. Either side of that, some brightness , quite a strong wind brightness, quite a strong wind blowing across the north of scotland with the risk of gales less breezy further south where its going to a warmer day its going to be a warmer day for england and south for southern england and south wales. Temperatures into the low 20s turning even warmer here over coming days into the over the coming days into the weekend. Temperatures up into the mid 20s possible , but its the mid 20s possible, but its increasingly wet for scotland, especially western scotland, especially western scotland, especially higher parts where theres the risk of more than 100mm of rain building up. Theres the risk of more than 100mm of rain building up. So 100mm of rain building up. So that north south contrast remains into the weekend theres help for households. Are you over state pension age . If your weekly income is below £201. 05, or £306. 85 if you live with a partner, you could be eligible for pension credit, even if you own your home or have savings. Its worth, on average, £3,500 a year, and you could get help with heating bills and more, plus cost of living payments. Speaking of sunak, hes over in spain trying to encourage european cooperation when it comes to the migrant crisis. Is that the answer to all of this . Closer european cooperation . And closer european cooperation . And will it work . What does it look like . Also tonight, im asking, do you think we champion the working classes enough . We seem working classes enough . We seem to have initiatives everywhere for everybody. But i really do feel that the working class are left behind. You agree with me or not . Weve got it all to come. And more. But before we