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In 43 years. As. In 43 years. As. As always, we to love hear from you. This show is nothing without you. We especially want to hear about what you make of labours plans for compulsory toothbrushing in schools. Is that a good idea or is it a step too far for teachers who have too far for teachers who have too much on their plates already . Big question. Yeah big question. Yeah gbviews gbnews. Com. But first, get a news bulletin first, lets get a news bulletin with. Tamsin with. Tamsin elly thank you and good morning from the gb newsroom. Its 931 so sir keir starmer is celebrating what hes describing as a sign mic win for labour in the rutherglen and Hamilton West by election i declare that Michael Shanks is elected to serve in the United Kingdom parliament as a member for rutherglen and Hamilton West constituency. Hamilton west constituency. Michael shanks won the seat with 58 of the vote, more than double that of the snps. Katie loudon. The by election was called after a recall petition against former snp member Margaret Ferrier, who breached covid rules. The new mp says its the honour of his life to be elected. Be elected. I do feel the responsibility of thousands of people that have put their trust in me. Ive met many of these people over the past six months. Theres been a very long by Election Campaign and a lot of the and i know a lot of the aspirations, the challenges that theyve me, now theyve raised with me, and now theyve raised with me, and now theyve put their trust in me to deliver that. And deliver on that. And thats thats the hard work thats ahead of us. Labour leader anas scottish labour leader anas sannar fed up sannar says voters are fed up with current government. With the current government. Think this will send and i think this will send shockwaves through the snp and a historic moment in scottish politics. I think scottish politics. I think scottish politics is fundamental be changed tonight. The people of Rutherglen Hamilton West have demonstrated that scotland are sick two failing governments. Sick of two failing governments. They want the incompetence, the chaos and the division to come to an end and theyre desperate for change and they can now see that that vehicle for change is with Scottish Labour Party. With the Scottish Labour Party. Been arrested over an a mans been arrested over an alleged plot to kidnap Television Presenter Holly Willoughby. She pulled out of willoughby. She pulled out of hosting this morning yesterday after bosses were reportedly alerted the possible threat. Alerted to the possible threat. Essex police say a 36 year old man from harlow was detained on suspicion of conspiracy to kidnap on wednesday. And is still in custody. Its understood itv is providing round the clock security and support for the star police and private companies are being urged to stop using facial recognition, surveillance. Recognition, surveillance. Former brexit secretary david davis and lib dems leader sir ed davey are among a group of 65 mps and peers backing a big brother watch Campaign Calling for change. Police have used live facial Recognition Software at large scale Public Events such as the kings coronation the group says its concerned about human rights, the potential for discrimination , potential for discrimination, action and a lack of public mandate. The home office has mandate. The home office has been accused of ignoring a legal order to immediately stop converting a former air base into an asylum camp. West Lindsey District Council served the department with a notice last month for breaching planning restrictions , but the planning restrictions, but the local council says work is continuing. The government intends to house 2000 Asylum Seekers at raf scampton in lincolnshire to reduce the reliance on hotels. A Home Office Spokesperson told gb news its confident the project meets planning requirements. Well, planning requirements. Well, those are the headlines. You can those are the headlines. You can get more on all of those stories. Just visit our website, gb news. Com. Stories. Just visit our website, gbnews. Com. Now its back to ellie and. Tom ellie and. Tom thanks, tamsin, and welcome to britains newsroom. The time is 934. Youre with myself and tom and were very, very lucky because weve got a huge political story that has broken overnight and into this morning. Its that seismic win for the labour party in rutherglen and Hamilton West that by election win is being described as seismic. And weve got the seismic. And weve got the lovely tom hannood here who can take us all through it. So how significant is this, tom . Well, let me take off my presenter hat. Yes. On my deputy Political Editor because is editor hat, because this is a very , very interesting result. Very, very interesting result. Now i have to say, this was a sort of must win for the labour party. If they hadnt won this by election last night, people would be asking huge questions of sir keir starmer of his leadership of west scottish labouris leadership of west scottish labour is anas sannar and the rest of it. But they did win by a large margin , perhaps larger a large margin, perhaps larger than was expected. So whilst it would be very, very embarrassing for the labour party if they hadnt won this last night, the scale by which they won this means that theyre pretty, pretty happy and, and thats important because it basically clarifies what the polls have been saying for some time now. We now know that these polls arent aethereal. They arent pretend. They arent just asking pretend. They arent just asking labour voters. We know what the labour voters. We know what the polls are saying has been borne out on the ground. And that out on the ground. And that means if we look at national polling, if a general election was held tomorrow , the labour was held tomorrow, the labour party would win with a decent majority. M ajority. So majority. So the labour party will be hoping for a general election sooner rather than later. Is it realistic to think this could really help springboard labour into number 10 . Well, clearly sir keir starmer has said before that his routes to downing street runs through scotland. Now thats not strictly speaking, true. There is a way that he could find to win enough seats in england without a big recovery in scotland, but of course a big recovery scotland makes it a recovery in scotland makes it a lot and one of the most lot easier. And one of the most interesting things this is interesting things about this is this is first electoral this is the first electoral test in the scandal of in scotland since the scandal of Nicola Sturgeon of the missing £600,000 of the snp finances. The arrest and then release of the former snp treasurer of the former snp party chief and the former snp party chief and the former snp party chief and the former snp first minister. After all of that rigmarole has happened and of course this is humza yousaf four fs first electoral test as the new first minister and it hasnt gone well for the snp. For the snp. Can they turn this around and the snp . The one caveat id say is that the labour party did win this seat in 2017. So this is flip flopped between the snp and the labour party over the last four elections. So if corbyn could win this seat, but the fact that starmer won this seat, perhaps it doesnt indicate that there would be an overall majority. But the scale by which it was won, perhaps the labour party can pick up many, many more seats from the snp. Very, very interesting. Thats humza yousaf thats exactly what humza yousaf is it . Hes is saying, isnt it . Hes saying, well, win it straight back. So well have to wait and see that but thank you, see on that one. But thank you, tom. Can come back into the tom. You can come back into the presenters my other presenters realm now. My other hat its handy to hat back on. Its so handy to have because i find by have you because i find by elections absolutely fascinating. Really good fascinating. So its really good to next to just to to have you next to me. Just to explain how significant that is, do you let us know what you make of especially if of that result, especially if youre and youre up in rutherglen and hamilton gbviews gbnews. Com Hamilton West gbviews gbnews. Com now, office is now, the home office is continuing to convert the former raf base scampton camp raf base scampton into a camp for thats for Asylum Seekers. Thats despite being told to stop work immediately. Yes, the west Lindsey District Council served the home office with a stop notice on the 22nd of september for breaching planning restrictions. But since then the council and locals say that trucks keep coming in and work is carrying on. On. Well, the former home office minister, norman baker joins us now. And norman, this is an interesting battle. I suppose this is mod land. The government is saying that this is where they need to construct this facility. But the local council dont want them to. So what powers battle is going on here . Well, my understanding of planning rules and i used to serve on the Planning Committee is that when a stop notice is issued by a local council, then its what it says on the tin, the action should stop. And that applies whether its a developer home a private developer or the home office or a government department. Home office, department. So the home office, in my view, is behaving illegally carrying with illegally by carrying on with its actions site. The remedy its actions on site. The remedy for the home office is to take the council to court to challenge a stop notice. And if challenge a stop notice. And if the home office is successful , the home office is successful, then they in theory claim then they can, in theory claim damages from the for the damages from the council for the time which they have not been able to what they wanted able to enact. What they wanted to on site. But im quite to do on site. But im quite clear that under planning law, to do on site. But im quite clear lindsey der planning law, to do on site. But im quite clear lindsey district|ning law, to do on site. But im quite clear Lindsey District Councilv, to do on site. But im quite clear Lindsey District Council is west Lindsey District Council is behaving and the home behaving correctly and the home office illegally. Office is behaving illegally. So are the home office so why are the home office continuing to on with this continuing to press on with this arrogance . I well, they arrogance . I expect well, they would say that this provides cheaper and more orderly, more suitable accommodation than that of hotels , which are costing us of hotels, which are costing us £8 million a day. I mean, im not defending the use of hotels, and it may well be that this site appropriate to site is more appropriate to house are seeking to house those who are seeking to claim asylum. Thats not issue for me. Thats not the issue for me. The issue for me the home the issue for me is the home office is breaking the law and they should they should test it in courts as a proper in the courts as a proper process doing and if process for doing so. And if theyre then they theyre successful, then they can to what were can go back to what they were doing. They should not just doing. But they should not just override in this way. Override councils in this way. Doesnt this get to the heart of of biggest problems of one of the biggest problems with kingdom, the way with the United Kingdom, the way that we cant build anything, we cant theres so cant do anything. Theres so much process. Courts get in the way. Isnt this the same reason why cost hs2 went from 30 why it cost hs2 went from 30 billion to £100 billion . We billion to £100 billion . Why we cant a site for migrants, cant build a site for migrants, why cant construct homes in why we cant construct homes in this country. All this process, other countries dont get bogged down with this. Down with this. Well, they do. They do to an extent. But i mean , look, i extent. But i mean, look, i mean, theres all sorts of reasons why hs2 cost so much money. We can go into that if you want do that. I mean, you you want to do that. I mean, you could take chinese approach, could take the chinese approach, the chinese simply notices could take the chinese approach, th people se simply notices could take the chinese approach, th people saying, ly notices could take the chinese approach, th people saying, were notices could take the chinese approach, th people saying, were going es could take the chinese approach, th people saying, were going to to people saying, were going to demolish on friday, demolish your house on friday, get out. So can get get out. I mean, so you can get things quickly if you things done very quickly if you just override peoples rights, will home be hoping will the home office be hoping to tread water with this to almost tread water with this to almost tread water with this to to continue until to allow work to continue until that judicial review the to allow work to continue until that jltakes review the to allow work to continue until that jltakes placev the to allow work to continue until thatjltakes place at the to allow work to continue until that jltakes place at thethe to allow work to continue until that jltakes place at the end to allow work to continue until thatjltakes place at the end of plans takes place at the end of this well, they should this month . Well, they should they stop. Should they should stop. They should stop for the stop now and wait for the courts. And as i say, if the courts. And as i say, if the courts uphold the home offices right to do what theyre doing and see and actually, i dont see a reason they shouldnt do reason why they shouldnt do that, the home office can that, then the home office can then the council then claim against the council for time that where theyve for the time that where theyve been stopped from doing anything. It anything. Thats the way it should work. Isnt problem here, isnt the problem here, though, that wherever the government to government says were going to put these Asylum Seekers or these this these economic migrants or this mix individuals, if mix of these individuals, if its in local hotels, the local councils will throw their arms up as they and many local residents will as well. Yes, decreasing value and taking away business from those areas. Of course , International Law says course, International Law says that we cant turn people back or dump them in countries that we dont have returns, agreements with. And then when we try and use disused. We try and use disused. Empty old raf bases, we cant even put them there. Where can the government possibly find an answer . As i say, im not actually against using the particular base, in favour of base, but i am in favour of a proper process being followed. Weve before, weve discussed this before, tom. Reality is, and tom. I mean, the reality is, and part the problem is that the part of the problem is that the home office is incredibly slow at processing the applications. I memory to be i think from memory stand to be corrected. 1 of the people corrected. Only 1 of the people who arrived last year on who arrived last last year on boats have actually boats and so on have actually been if home been processed. If the home office quicker at office was rather quicker at deaung office was rather quicker at dealing that, then the dealing with that, then the problem be solved a lot problem would be solved a lot more quickly. If cant be a place more quickly. Actually cant be a place more quickly. Actually processflt be a place more quickly. Actually process these place to actually process these migrants and thomas is touching upon nimbyism isnt upon the issue of nimbyism isnt he . Not backyard he . Is it not in my backyard that people is a top voter issue. We know that across the board. We that. But people board. We know that. But people do want these processing do not want these processing centres in their local community. But i mean, they dont. But i mean, whenever have a national whenever you have a National Facility to be placed facility which has to be placed in location, then in one particular location, then the will reject the local people will reject that. Talking now about that. If were talking now about centres Asylum Seekers, the centres for Asylum Seekers, the same apply a same thing would apply to a Nuclear Power station or to a Major Development because Nuclear Power station or to a majnationalevelopment because Nuclear Power station or to a majnational benefit,ent because Nuclear Power station or to a majnational benefit,enyou cause the national benefit, if you like, but the local like, is there. But the local disc is also very clear disc benefit is also very clear for in area. For those in the area. Okay, norman baker, very good to you this morning. Youre to see you this morning. Youre staying with us, arent you, throughout programme . Throughout the programme . I think are. Go think so. You are. Dont go anywhere. The office anywhere. Well, the home office has are confident that has said we are confident that our which house our project, which will house Asylum Seekers basic safe and Asylum Seekers in basic safe and secure meets secure accommodation, meets the planning. Planning requirements. Number of hate yes, the number of hate crimes in england and wales has fallen in other news, for the first time in a decade. But the number of Transgender Identity hate crimes recorded last is highest since last year is the highest since records began. Home office said that the Home Office Said that this could from this increase could result from issues being , quote, heavily issues being, quote, heavily discussed by politicians, the media and on social media, but also increased police awareness, resulting in more recorded crimes. Crimes. Well, joining us to discuss this further is former met Police Detective Peter Bleksley and friend of the programme may i add, peter, always good to see you. What do you make of these figures then . So hate crime across the board is coming down, but not if youre religious or transgender. Those figures have transgender. Those figures have gone up. Very sorry for pouring im very sorry for pouring cold water all over this story, but as the home office admits, when they presented these figures yesterday, there not reliable and ill go a step further and say theyre utterly worthless. Some of the reasons why theyre not reliable is, first of all, devon and cornwall hate crime figures arent included because theyre getting theyre rolling out a new it system. Secondly, of course, we system. Secondly, of course, we know that many Police Forces are completely be in a state of confusion as to what is a hate crime and what isnt. And weve seen many, many deeply worrying examples of Police Officers turning up to arrest people for some kind of message they may have put out on social media. Only for that later to have been found entirely unnecessary. But the one area in which they can be regarded as reliable is that it gives you an indication as to how much work the police are doing in terms of investing, putting these. So in that regard , the demand on police time , we , the demand on police time, we can rely on them, but pretty much in any other regard, theyre fit for the bin. Now, these numbers are about hate crimes , recorded crimes, hate crimes, recorded crimes, not i would assume thats not just sort of logging something that has been alleged. Ed, that has been alleged. Ed, whats the difference between a hate crime recorded and what has been discussed out to the ends of the earth . A non crime hate incident . Yes. Yes. Yes. And im quickly losing the will to live. As you mentioned, will to live. As you mentioned, the bare subject. It is it is utterly, utterly catastrophic because, of course, the police should not be getting them involved in something so complicated and rather stupidly described as as you just did. No personal slur to them. Its there. Its their terminology. There. Its their terminology. And its utterly ludicrous, utterly ludicrous. And of utterly ludicrous. And of course, another aspect to throw into the mix here is there is a vast amount of unrecorded crime. Um, the people simply dont go to the police with. And how can to the police with. And how can i say that . Because every day, almost every day i speak to people who tell me about a crime that they were the subject of and they did not bother to report because they knew or they felt that they were not going to get a police investigation. And get a police investigation. And this is why at the moment, the Crime Statistics are are really unreliable in regards to the overall picture. And on a day when were told about yet another teenager being stabbed to death tragically in brighton yesterday, what that will do is merely encourage more young people to take a knife onto the streets. Those crimes wont be streets. Those crimes wont be detected unless people are stopped. Search and found with a knife and consequently , this is knife and consequently, this is just yet another area of crime worrying and troubling crime like hate crime that we do not know. The accurate scale of the problem. Okay, norman baker, lets bnng okay, norman baker, lets bring you in. At this point. What do you make of what Peter Bleksley is saying . Well, i tend to agree with peters analysis to be perfectly honest with you. But there are two sorts recorded crime. Two sorts of recorded crime. Theres crime theres recorded crime officially police, and officially from the police, and theres National Crime survey theres a National Crime survey which undertaken by home which is undertaken by the home office, which is actually a slightly guide to whats office, which is actually a slightion. Guide to whats office, which is actually a slightion. And guide to whats office, which is actually a slightion. And whate to whats office, which is actually a slightion. And what isa whats office, which is actually a slightion. And what is perfectly going on. And what is perfectly plain are a huge range plain is there are a huge range of offences being committed which people even bother which people dont even bother telling about these telling the police about these days. Example, theres days. For example, theres an epidemic theft in my epidemic of bicycle theft in my part of the world, but people dont even bother telling the police. I mean, theres no chance of getting the bicycle back. Theres chance back. Theres no chance probably, even probably, that the police even investigating even turning investigating it or even turning up it. So, you know, up to record it. So, you know, we have recognise that the we have to recognise that the Police Actually be police are actually be undertaking which they undertaking tasks which they regard as important with the manpower got, a manpower theyve got, but a whole range other things are whole range of other things are not reported being not being reported or not being followed through. Shoplifting is another theres major another one. Theres a major problem shoplifting problem with shoplifting as retailers demonstrated. Problem with shoplifting as retailenow demonstrated. Problem with shoplifting as retaile now gotiemonstrated. Problem with shoplifting as retaile now got the jnstrated. Problem with shoplifting as retaile now got the situation weve now got the situation where people into shops where people walk into shops apparently and just walk out and cool as you like, carrying a whole lot of stuff. And the police dont necessarily investigate that. Ive witnessed crimes that happened yesterday. Yeah, ive witnessed it. Its happening. The length and happening. The length and breadth country and breadth of the country and really crime stats. I do really these crime stats. I do agree that the National Crime survey does have some more credibility. But then, of credibility. But then, of course, i, i saw somebody taking part in that survey only last year. Part in that survey only last year. And the questions really year. And the questions really are steered in a direction to give people the results they want. So im not a huge fan of that either. Peter, isnt it . It is. It is marginally better and it is absolutely true. And nobody in the media is scandal izing or scaremongering when we use the expression lawless britain, it is absolute lutely a fact that day by day we become less and less safe out there. Now im not here. Im scare them, but i feel that i am being responsible as a contributor to mention the levels of crime out there in order that people can take precautions , laws can take precautions, laws can protect their homes, can protect their bikes, their phones and any other property, their vehicles , for example, because vehicles, for example, because crime is simply everywhere and its completely out of hand. Now , do we have time for now, do we have time for were going to have a quick one. A quick one. A quick one. I just i just do want to mention the numbers here, because it is interesting. Overall crime, overall hate crime recorded race incidents crime as recorded race incidents have been decreased by 6. Now there are over 100,000 of those, but theyre down by 6. Now. The other half of the headline that we hear is that transgender hate incidents are up, but that numbers less than 5000. So race incidents, over 100,000 and down and transgender incidents under 5000. But up. I wonder, are we perhaps putting too much emphasis on something thats too small . This this is this is a this is how the media not talking about gb news particularly, but how the media will report on something which is for them new and you have , and interesting. So you have, for example, a huge amount of attention say, bird attention paid to, say, bird flu, was idea and flu, which was a novel idea and affected almost nobody and very little attention heart little attention paid to Heart Disease or cancer, which is just accepted society accepted as as part of society and thousands of and which killed thousands of people. The focus on, on, on, people. So the focus on, on, on, on transgender crime is because its new and interesting rather than because its a more serious i okay. And of course, transgender people make up a tiny, tiny proportion of the population. So it comes as no surprise to me that the level of offence is there are relatively small. So perhaps actually as a proportion of that community, it could be more serious. Thats indeed it thats a very indeed it could, yes. So thats a very, could, yes. So thats a very, very important qualifier there. Very important qualifier there. Yeah. Both for yeah. Well, thank you both for talking the general yeah. Well, thank you both for talkirof the general yeah. Well, thank you both for talkirof crime the general yeah. Well, thank you both for talkirof crime and general yeah. Well, thank you both for talkirof crime and indeedil yeah. Well, thank you both for talkirof crime and indeed hate state of crime and indeed hate crime and even non crime hate incidents. Now , tom, if you were going now, tom, if you were going to retire, where would you like to retire, where would you like to retire, where would you like to retire to . Its a little while off. Its i hope its a little its a little time off. I think id like to do two things. Id like to have sort of a place for the for the summer months in the United Kingdom. Id like to go somewhere warm for the winter. Okay. Well, i migratory okay. Well, i migratory i would say marbella. But what do you think about newcastle under lyme . Because its been named as lyme . Because its been named as one of the best locations in the uk to retire. In fact , it one of the best locations in the uk to retire. In fact, it came first place due to its large number of green spaces and happiness rating. Well, lets cross over now to our reporter jack carson, who joins us from newcastle under lyme in the west midlands. Now, lyme in the west midlands. Now, jack, have you got something to tell us . Have you retired. Tell us . Have you retired. Its a bit too early for me to think about retirement, tom. Unfortunately, i think its a long way off until my pension is big enough. So yeah, but anyway, here in here in newcastle under lyme, course, that rating of lyme, of course, that rating of green space is 9. 6 out of ten. It scored on the which survey of around 1000 people on what makes people happy. What are the most Important Reasons that they look for when looking for a place to retire . Health care is big on retire . Health care is big on that list. 88 of people on the survey say that that is an important part. Of course, when theyre retiring, when theyre getting older, having that access the gp. But the local access to the gp. But the local mp, aaron bell, for newcastle under joins me now. Thank under lyme joins me now. Thank you very much for joining me this morning. What this morning. I mean, what was your reaction when you saw that this place of course youre the proud on proud mp for was featured on that proud mp for was featured on tha i proud mp for was featured on thai was. I was really pleased i was. I was really pleased and im really pleased because obviously based on survey and obviously based on a survey and people that theyre people are saying that theyre happy theyre Healthy Living happy and theyre Healthy Living here choose happy and theyre Healthy Living he retire. Choose happy and theyre Healthy Living he retire. Now, choose happy and theyre Healthy Living he retire. Now, were choose happy and theyre Healthy Living he retire. Now, were not choose happy and theyre Healthy Living he retire. Now, were not chotae to retire. Now, were not just a place for people to retire. Weve got fantastic weve also got fantastic university keele down the university and keele down the road a fantastic further road and a fantastic further education college. Town education college. Its a town for everybody, think for everybody, but i think weve got to people in got a lot to offer people in their retirement and actually were going to be offering more of the town centre of that in the town centre coming with the coming fonnard with the government that weve got coming fonnard with the gove the ent that weve got coming fonnard with the gove the future that weve got coming fonnard with the gove the future high hat weve got coming fonnard with the gove the future high streets ve got coming fonnard with the gove the future high streets and ot from the future high streets and the fund. Were going the town deal fund. Were going to putting Retirement Living to be putting Retirement Living into of town so into the very centre of town so people can come into town and enjoy that weve enjoy the shopping that weve got, all the got, but also all the hospitality and the cultural offering as well. Weve got fantastic museums, a fantastic theatre things to theatre and fantastic things to do so im delighted do around here. So im delighted because from because its based on data from people who live here people who actually live here who telling which they who are telling which what they think are the think and what maybe are the challenges maybe that come then from from being for an from from being an mp for an area people do like to area where people do like to retire in, know, what retire in, you know, what are the actually you the challenges that actually you see the problems your see and the problems that your constituents constituents constituents and constituents come you so there can come to you with . So there can beissues come to you with . So there can be issues with mobility, obviously. Why obviously. And thats again why i to see that we i think im glad to see that we are proposing to more are proposing to put more Retirement Living the town Retirement Living in the town centre. But weve had issues with first stops from with buses, first bus stops from services any warning, with buses, first bus stops from servictwas any warning, with buses, first bus stops from servictwas completelyiarning, which was completely appalling earlier i raised earlier this year. And i raised that the house commons. That in the house of commons. There obviously challenges there are obviously challenges with Access Health care, but with access to health care, but weve very hospital. Weve got a very good hospital. The stoke, on our doorstep the royal stoke, on our doorstep and weve just had an extra £15 Million Investment into million of investment into that to services to upgrade the a e services there. Get those sorts there. But you get those sorts of but ive always of challenges. But ive always been to up for my been proud to stand up for my Senior Citizens. Ive proudly championed lock, championed the triple lock, which continuing and which were continuing with, and obviously and which were continuing with, and obv covid and which were continuing with, and obv covid pandemic and the covid pandemic more generally, that generally, making sure that everybody their everybody here got their jabs and got got ourselves through the always been the pandemic. Ive always been standing up for the Senior Citizens newcastle. Citizens in newcastle. Just quickly of yeah. And just quickly of course, there was that announcement at conference on on two. Going to come two. It was going to come through whats through the borough here. Whats your that second leg your reaction to that second leg being pulled and it not coming through this area anymore . A win win for i think its a win win for the people of newcastle under lyme because firstly they wont have and have the disruption and particularly have the disruption and partic|of rly have the disruption and partic|of the borough, places south of the borough, places like madeley, which the like madeley, which where the line cut through line was going to cut through and you know, take and obviously you know, take people out of their or people out of their homes or their farms so on. But were their farms and so on. But were actually going up now actually going to end up now with services stoke. Actually going to end up now wit Trent Services stoke. Actually going to end up now wit trent because as stoke. Actually going to end up now wit trent because hs2 stoke. Actually going to end up now wit trent because hs2 willrtoke. On trent because hs2 will connect just birmingham connect just north of birmingham and the trains will run to and the hs2 trains will run to stoke on trent and manchester and to get to and well be able to get to london minutes rather than london in 70 minutes rather than 90 trent. So 90 from stoke on trent. So i think its a complete win win for newcastle. I know there are mixed opinions but mixed opinions on hs2, but i think Prime Minister think the Prime Minister was absolutely right to take the decision the decision he did because the original was no original Business Case was no longer valid and the costs and the management clearly the management had clearly got completely the management had clearly got com sensible to take that money was sensible to take that money and spend it things like and spend it on things like improving 15. Improving junction 15. For thank you very much for joining us this morning. Theres plenty sounds plenty of reasons for the sounds of to retire here of it then to retire here in newcastle under lyme. Carlson always good carlson always really good to see sell see you and great to sell newcastle as well. Newcastle under lyme as well. Stay going to be stay with us. Were going to be talking willoughbys talking about Holly Willoughbys foiled talking about Holly Willoughbys foilcentre london. Thats next. Hello. Very good morning to you. Mcgivern here you. Its Aidan Mcgivern here from met with the gb from the met office with the gb news warm news forecast. A fine and warm day but day to come in the south, but cloudy with cloudy and breezy elsewhere with outbreaks of rain in places mostly central of mostly the central parts of southern scotland, Northern Ireland, Northern England and north wales, where well see the wettest conditions. Rain, wettest conditions. The rain, heavy persistent over the heavy and persistent over the hills. North of the hills. 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Good away. Good morning. Its 10 am. On friday, the 6th of october. This is britains newsroom on gb news with tom hannood and me, Ellie Costello. Coming up for you today. Win for labour Michael Shanks won the rutherglen and Hamilton West by election in scotland last night and took the seat from the snp. Now the scottish labour leader anas sannar thinks its a sign of things to come. The absolutely extraordinary result a seismic result and i think this will send shock waves through the snp and historic moment in scottish politics. I think scottish politics is fundamentally changed tonight. Fundamentally changed tonight. Supervised toothbrush washing the labour party unveiled their plans for supervised toothbrush in schools to help tackle problems in nhs dentistry and it hasnt gone down well with some teachers though. Teachers though. And kidnap plot foiled. Holly and kidnap plot foiled. Holly willoughby has been placed under Police Protection after a, quote, credible conspiracy to kidnap the itv star was stopped. Shes said to be distraught about the incident. About the incident. Jailed for treason, a man who broke into Windsor Castle armed with a loaded crossbow to kill the late queen has been sentenced to nine years in jail. Its the first treason conviction in 43 years. Conviction in 43 years. And of course, we love to hear what you have to say about all of the stories were discussing today. But theres one in particular that wed like to get your views on, and that is that the labour party has proposed mandatory toothbrushing lessons in schools should it be the place of teachers to be teaching us how to brush our teeth, or should that be a job for parents . Get your views in gbviews gbnews. Com. But first, heres your Morning Headlines with rhiannon with tamsin. In with rhiannon with tamsin. In tom thanks very much and good morning from the gb newsroom. Its 10 02. Sir keir starmer is celebrating what hes described as a seismic win for labourin described as a seismic win for labour in the rutherglen and Hamilton West by election. I declare that Michael Shanks is elected to serve in the United Kingdom parliament as a member for rutherglen and Hamilton West constituency Michael Shanks won the seat with 58 of the vote, more than double that of snps katie loudon. The by election katie loudon. The by election was called after a recall petition against Margaret Ferrier, who was an snp member and breached who breached covid rules. The new mp says its the honour of his life to be elected i but buti but i do feel the responsibility of thousands of people that have put their trust in me. Ive met many of these people over the past six months. 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Youre with britains newsroom on gb news with tom hannood and me, Ellie Costello, and its our favourite part of the show because its all about you. Absolutely lets have a look at what youve been getting in touch with us about in the gb news inbox. And remember gb views at gb news. Uk dot com. Sorry, its changed. Yes. Has it changed . This changed several months ago, actually. Really should be picking but of picking up on that. But of course weve been asking about teeth brushing, tooth brushing in schools. The labour party has proposed make mandatory tooth proposed to make mandatory tooth brushing lessons across the education system. Clive says as im in my 50s and we always had lessons on this in primary school, yes, but douglas says if parents cant teach their kids to clean their teeth, god help the future. Im sure the teachers have enough to do and it is a good point. Teachers are already dodi the responsibilities that teachers have. And we are both children of teachers. Arent we seeing this before the programme . Were both well, both parents, my both your parents, both my parents, mums parents, teachers. My mums a teacher. And just the amount of teacher. And just the amount of papennork they have to do to just say what theyve already just to say what theyve already been doing, its extra ordinary. Ijust been doing, its extra ordinary. I just think that adding another obugafion i just think that adding another obligation on top of a profession that is so stretched already , i just cant see how already, i just cant see how this is going to work. See, i cant see that side of it, but i can also so see and hear stories of children that come they are come into school and they are products neglect. I mean, products of neglect. I mean, they in dirty, come in they come in dirty, they come in unwashed, in without unwashed, they come in without their or hair being their teeth or hair being brushed and i just think if theres can do, theres something you can do, i mean, and this this could pay for itself. Teaching shouldnt be about being services. Know teaching shouldnt be about being got services. Know teaching shouldnt be about being got othervices. Know teaching shouldnt be about being got other services now teaching shouldnt be about being got other services forv weve got other services for teaching be about teaching should be about teaching schools should be schools, centres. But if decay is the but if tooth decay is the number one reason for hospital admissions children under admissions for children under five, is then five, i think it is then supervised brushing was a no brainer really, isnt it . I mean, it pays for itself in that sense. Let us know what you think. Its dividing us here sense. Let us know what you thin morningiding us here sense. Let us know what you thin morning and] us here sense. Let us know what you thin morning and do; here sense. Let us know what you thin morning and do keep� sense. Let us know what you thin morning and do keep those this morning and do keep those views one more from views coming in. One more from diana the toothbrushing diana on the toothbrushing question morning. I think question this morning. I think the have enough do the teachers have enough to do without overseeing tooth brushing. Ive never heard anything ridiculous. Anything so ridiculous. Yes. Where are the parents . Im afraid is clutching afraid starmer is now clutching at straws. Another one who says, god help for us the future. Keep those views coming in. Gb views at gb com well, sticking at gb news. Com well, sticking with this subject , of course, with this subject, of course, the labour leader has announced this plan for mandatory toothbrushing. But how exactly would it work . And is it right . Joining us to discuss this is the head of education at the centre for policy studies, mark lehane, and eddie crouch , the chair of the eddie crouch, the chair of the british dental association. British dental association. Thank you both for joining british dental association. Thank you both forjoining us thank you both for joining us this morning. Eddie, as the chair of the british dental association, lets start with you. Shouldnt shouldnt family does know this and be teaching this. Shouldnt this be coming from the dental profession rather than from teachers as. Rather than from teachers as. I see that you focussed on one issue of what the labour policy issue of what the labour policy is about dentistry, and there are some better policies around as well as this policy. But this policy has worked really quite well in scotland and wales, where supervised tooth brushing in schools has seen quite a significant reduction in the amount of children having tooth decay and obviously schools have problems with children losing time because of problems with their teeth having to go to dental appointments, possibly losing sleep overnight and coming into school, not prepared to learn. School, not prepared to learn. There are huge benefits to teachers from this policy , but teachers from this policy, but obviously i understand the pressures teachers are under and i can understand that theyre reluctant to actually engage in what they would regard as health prevention. Prevention. But eddie, i mean, we touched, though , on tooth decay, touched, though, on tooth decay, didnt we . It does seem like quite an easy fix to an issue thatis quite an easy fix to an issue that is prevalent in young children. Its the number one reason for hospital admissions , reason for hospital admissions, isnt it . Absolutely yeah. And you know, in some areas of the country, over half the children attending schools for the first time are attending with obvious tooth decay. So we need to do something quite dramatic about it. We need to do things like water fluoridation in areas where we havent got water fluoridation. But as water fluoridation. But as i say, the investment for this with toothbrushes and toothpaste into school that they can take home. And in areas where deprivation is the worst and if its focussed in those areas, i think it will have a significant impact. Impact. Well, lets turn this to you, mark lehane. Is this the role of school or is this the role of social services as well . Social services as well . Obviously, actually, this is the role of parents to make sure that their children brush their teeth and also to think about what their children being what their children are being fed well. Buti what their children are being fed well. But i completely fed as well. But i completely understand people turn understand why people often turn to the face to do to schools is the face to do everything its one of everything because its one of the in society where the few places in society where every is but supervised every child is but supervised tooth is not the only tooth brushing is not the only suggestion been made in suggestion thats been made in the years about what the last few years about what schools fact, schools should do. In fact, a couple years ago, i tracked couple of years ago, i tracked all the proposals that are out there media about what there in the media about what schools do. And schools should teach or do. And in in the space of 12 months, we spotted over 200 additional proposals to what schools spotted over 200 additional proposedo to what schools spotted over 200 additional proposedo , to what schools spotted over 200 additional proposedo , including schools spotted over 200 additional proposedo , including supervised should do, including supervised tooth and my tooth brushing. And i guess my question to the dentist and to the labour party, the people that proposing is if that are proposing this is if this important, then this is really important, then what that you schools what is it that you want schools to doing . Because this is to stop doing . Because this is probably going at best, probably going to take at best, at least five minutes a day out of childs learning work that of a childs learning work that up over a week. Thats around half an hour a week. Thats half an week that a child has an hour a week that a child has got to not spend on maths or literacy, all those other important so question important things. So my question isnt this the right isnt just is this the right thing to but do they thing to do, but what do they want schools to not do instead . Lehane, lets well, mark lehane, lets stick with because the stick with you, because the National Association stick with you, because the nationalassociation head National Association of head teachers about National Association of head teaciwho about National Association of head teaciwho said about National Association of head teaciwho said its about National Association of head teaciwho said its the bout National Association of head teaciwho said its the role this. Who said its not the role of teachers to make children brush teeth. Theyve brush their teeth. Theyve accused both the labour party and of window and the conservatives of window dressing tackling the dressing instead of tackling the real issues in education. Would you agree with that . You agree with that . Well, i certainly think i prefer it if we were talking today about the really important policies in schools, curriculum behaviour , exam reform, those behaviour, exam reform, those kinds of things weve had some pretty impressive, ambitious announcements this week from the Prime Minister about how he wants to change what 16 to 19 year olds are studying and what exams they do. Id rather we were talking about that than teaching to their teaching children to brush their teeth also some teeth. And also theres some really interesting that really interesting policies that labour so far. Labour have proposed so far. Ive a of about ive got a lot of worries about them, it doesnt really them, but it doesnt really matter i think. Lets have matter what i think. Lets have that discussion it. That public discussion about it. And all the time that were talking about supervised tooth brushing, talking about supervised tooth brushithose other policies which about those other policies which are more important. Are probably far more important. We not just we mustnt forget its not just about brushing. Its not about tooth brushing. Its not just about maths english. Just about maths and english. Everything weve trade everything weve got has a trade off theres many off because theres only so many hours children have in hours that children have in school. You use a minute school. And if you use a minute or five minutes or an hour on one you cant use it on one thing, you cant use it on anything else. Time is the most precious commodity in the school. And even were school. And even if we were to put to do these put more money in to do these things, we on things, every hour we spend on one thing cant spend on one thing we cant spend on something else. Crouch, what do well, eddie crouch, what do you say to that . Of course youre from british dental youre from the british dental association, there might be association, but there might be every Association Every Industry Association in the country that wants their issue in schools as issue to be taught in schools as well. Perhaps time issue to be taught in schools as we|writing perhaps time issue to be taught in schools as we|writing , perhaps time issue to be taught in schools as we|writing , for perhaps time issue to be taught in schools as we|writing , for reading,; time issue to be taught in schools as we|writing , for reading, forne for writing, for reading, for numeracy. How do you answer that point . Point . Well, mean, in the areas of well, i mean, in the areas of the country where it is working, this is a shorter reduction in the time that the children are out in the playground. So they come the playground come in from the playground about 3 or 4 minutes earlier at and supervised by a teacher brushing their teeth. And, you brushing their teeth. And, you know, were not talking about eating into the curriculum here. Were talking about a slight reduction in an hours lunch break and that can be incorporated. But we need more adventurous policy about dentistry. We know that there dentistry. We know that there are significant problems accessing dental services. And accessing dental services. And this is one part of a of the solution. But what is a bigger part of the solution is actually encouraging my colleagues to work within the nhs. Work within the nhs. And what do you make of the wider policy then . Because i do note you want to get into that and there is probably the biggest point is these 700,000 urgist urgent dentist appointments that are going to be made available under labour. They say its part of this wider plan to fix the dentistry crisis. I imagine you welcome that. Yes. Yeah we do. And theyve listened to us as the profession with the advice that were giving them , telling them that giving them, telling them that sessional payments for dentists who actually see these urgent and emergency patients will signify make a difference. Taking it away from the target dnven taking it away from the target driven system that were working in at the moment. And its recurring funding. The government put in £50 million for a three month period that wasnt taken up. This is talking about £100 million over the life of the government every year for this to actually make a difference is an interesting point. I wonder, mark lehane, perhaps you wont get you to comment on the wider non educational aspects of this, but to turn back to this issue about not taking up learning time, only taking up break time, how do you respond to that point . Listen, that might be the least bad way to do this. If were going to take time out. But remember, weve also got an issue with children coming to school ovenneight or developing obesity, particularly post covid school ovenneight or developing obes not particularly post covid school ovenneight or developing obes not having arly post covid school ovenneight or developing obes not having beenwost covid school ovenneight or developing obes not having been as covid school ovenneight or developing obes not having been as active kids not having been as active as they were in the past. So i would want us to look really carefully we took away carefully before we took away one of the few times i have in the day to get out there, run around and burn some that around and burn off some of that energy before we hand over to something ive got four something else. Ive got four girls all at school. Girls of my own all at school. My youngest absolutely loves girls of my own all at school. My yotime. It absolutely loves girls of my own all at school. My yotime. Shesnlutely loves girls of my own all at school. My yotime. Shesnlute ofloves break time. Shes full of energy. She loves her football. So id aware so i think id be aware of having a conversation with her about having to take away some of break order that of her break time in order that she her teeth, she can brush her teeth, particularly because actually she can brush her teeth, partic really because actually she can brush her teeth, partic really fastidious ctually she can brush her teeth, partic really fastidious already shes really fastidious already about her teeth about looking after her teeth and she soit about looking after her teeth and she so it feels and what she eats. So it feels like all children would be treated way deal with treated in one way to deal with an thats only problem an issue thats only a problem for chunk of children. But for a chunk of children. But were to have to at were going to have to look at everything. Im not saying we should do it. We should definitely not do it. We just need to be aware this is not free solution. There not a cost free solution. There are this. Like are costs to this. Like Everything Else. Yes. And let me just put that to eddie crouch. Dont have to eddie crouch. We dont have very long already, did very long already, but i did want to you about that, want to ask you about that, because are getting emails in because we are getting emails in about you would about the cost. But you would argue this would argue that this would cover itself the term, itself in the long term, wouldnt you . I mean, we know from yeah, i mean, we know from other schemes that actually £1 invested in this is actually returned 3 or in, in returned 3 or 4 fold in, in reductions in spending in other areas service. Areas of the health service. But, colleague there but, but my colleague there is absolutely are absolutely right there are issues and dental issues about obesity and dental disease obesity are disease and obesity are intrinsically and so intrinsically linked and so there wider policy issues there are wider policy issues about decay , about obesity and dental decay, such as the problems with sugar in food that need addressing. So this isnt a solution to everything, but it may be part of a solution. Of a solution. Well, both mark and eddie, thank you both for joining well, both mark and eddie, thank you both forjoining us thank you both for joining us this morning to discuss this topic. No doubt weve still got some very, very divided views in the inbox about it all, but its a fruitful discussion. Ian yeah, a fruitful discussion. Ian yeah, it certainly is. Yeah. I do think that one of the points made there was, was particularly incisive there at most children do brushing their teeth for do get brushing their teeth for most people in school, this will be sort of being taught to suck eggs. How difficult is it to sort of for two minutes just brush every tooth in your mouth . Its not a complicated thing to understand. And wonder how understand. And i wonder how many will think this is many children will think this is such a doss lesson and it will turn them and theyll start turn them off and theyll start messing around anything just messing around or anything just because or 2 children in the because 1 or 2 children in the class dont understand to class dont understand how to brush teeth. Brush their teeth. Yeah, no, but there are some children that class who who children in that class who who are where their are from homes where their parents cant teach parents wont or cant teach them to brush their teeth. Them how to brush their teeth. And single those and you cant single those children and come with children out and say, come with me brush your teeth . Me, a how to brush your teeth . Or it to teach someone to or is it to teach someone to brush their teeth . Heres a toothbrush, put some toothpaste in it. Two minutes. There mean, its not. There you go. I mean, its not. Ijust there you go. I mean, its not. I just did that in five seconds. Well its a very sad no. Well its a very sad situation, tom. Its happening. We happening. Thats situation, tom. Its happening. We the happening. Thats situation, tom. Its happening. We the labour ppening. Thats situation, tom. Its happening. We the labour ppening. talking why the labour party are talking about this. Pathetic on this. Dont so pathetic on this. I dont i mean , it shouldnt be this i mean, it shouldnt be this complicated and i wonder if were just taking too many responsibilities away from families. We need to put some responsibilities perhaps on responsibilities perhaps back on families. Point is the families. But the point is the families. But the point is the families doing families arent doing it. Thats how got and thats how weve got ourselves in situation. Ourselves in this situation. Steve agrees you. He says, steve agrees with you. He says, well , he doesnt think its well, he doesnt think its a very idea. He said, this very good idea. He said, is this really best that labour really the best that labour can offer . And got offer . And hes also got a question, how is this question, which is how is this going be funded . As i know going to be funded . So as i know theyll abolish the non dom tax status. Thats an ongoing joke. How times hear lot how many times we hear a lot of supposed saving being being spent. But we just heard there from eddie crouch, would actually but we just heard there from eddiforrouch, would actually but we just heard there from eddifor itself. Would actually but we just heard there from eddifor itself in would actually but we just heard there from eddifor itself in thelld actually but we just heard there from eddifor itself in the long tually but we just heard there from eddifor itself in the long term pay for itself in the long term because it would save the nhs with care. With that longer term care. Was the argument well, that was the argument liz truss made about her tax cuts. Know, theyd boost the cuts. You know, theyd boost the economy, didnt economy, but the obr didnt agree. Yes, well, keep your agree. Yes, well, do keep your emails on that story emails coming in on that story or any of the stories that we are talking about today. Gbviews gbnews. Com. Gbviews gbnews. Com. Come, a 36 well, still to come, a 36 year been charged year old man has been charged over an alleged plot to kidnap tv presenter willoughby. Tv presenter Holly Willoughby. Well latest. Britains news channel. Welcome back to britains newsroom with myself and tom. Now a man who broke into Windsor Castle armed with a loaded crossbow to kill the late queen has been sentenced to nine years in jail for the crime of treason. Yes, just once. Sing. Chell was wandering around inside the grounds of Windsor Castle for two hours on Christmas Day, 2021, before two officers confronted him with tasers. Now the late Queen Elizabeth was in residence as well. Lets speak now to our royal correspondent, cameron walker, who was at the courthouse, courthouse yesterday and has more on this. And cameron, this story is absolutely remarkable, isnt it . And everyone is asking the same thing , which is how the same thing, which is how could this have been allowed to happen . Well, exactly. So he scaled the wall, the outer perimeter fence, using a nylon rope ladder , and then was inside the grounds for two hours before police apprehended him. He got as george the fourth as far as george the fourth gate, is not open to the gate, which is not open to the pubuc gate, which is not open to the public ever. Its a very private part of the grounds, very close to queens private to the queens private apartments, she and apartments, where she and members of her family, including the prince charles, the then prince charles, now king, were in residence, just beginning enjoy festivities. Beginning to enjoy festivities. Liz Police Officers liz and the Police Officers spotted him and one of them asked him, can i help you, mate . Thats a quote. And he replied, i am to here kill the queen. And thatis i am to here kill the queen. And that is when they drew their tasers , ordered him to drop the tasers, ordered him to drop the crossbow, which he did. But this crossbow, which he did. But this crossbow wasnt like an old vintage one. Tom and ellie. It was a in court , it was said that was a in court, it was said that it had a bolt, which was capable of firing lethal force. So this was a very serious situation. And people are asking the question , how was it that he question, how was it that he could Wander Around the grounds for two hours before being caught . Its extraordinary. Wonder its extraordinary. I wonder if fact that this happened if the fact that this happened on Christmas Day has something to do with this clear breach in security. I wonder if any other day of the year, perhaps thered be more police on patrol. Perhaps security would be perhaps the security would be tighter. The fact that was tighter. The fact that it was Christmas Day with all the police their police just having their christmas theres christmas lunch, well, theres certainly to ask. Certainly questions to ask. Police, metropolitan police, Counter Terrorism commander dominic murphy, he was speaking yesterday. Dominic murphy, he was speaking yester dangerous individual and was a dangerous individual and did praise the officers on duty at the time, saying if it wasnt for them, then this could have been story. But been a very different story. But he concede, he denied that he did concede, he denied that this exposed the this exposed flaws in the Security System at Windsor Castle. Did concede that castle. But he did concede that there learning there needs to be a learning exercise, that metropolitan police learn the police needs to learn the lessons and make sure this kind of happen again. Of thing doesnt happen again. So metropolitan police so thats metropolitan police response. Still, its very response. But still, its a very serious , perhaps, breach of serious, perhaps, breach of royal security. But they did royal security. But they did also talk about the vetting procedures because jaswant singh, child, who you can see on your screens now, did apply to join a special police force in the british army. Royal marines and various other armed services, which would get close to the royal family. That was his plan originally and only embarked on this Murderous Mission because he failed the vetting procedures in order to join the armed forces , which i join the armed forces, which i suppose is tribute to the vetting procedures that they did find him out and he wasnt allowed to join. And the story gets even more murky, doesnt it . Cameron when we look into the details of all of this and this man had a relationship with an ai chat bot and he was really confiding in his plans with that al chat bot. Yeah, the court heard that child was a bit of a star wars fanatic and he did. He believed fanatic and he did. He believed he was in a relationship. The he was in a relationship. The court heard with this ai chatbot , this girlfriend who he named soraya , he identified as a sith soraya, he identified as a sith , which is a villainous character in the star wars series and the chat bot, the court heard both discouraged and encouraged child to carry out his offences. So there is a big his offences. So there is a big question mark over ai, how they can perhaps influence someone who clearly was mentally vulnerable. He has spent time in broadmoor psychiatric hospital. Broadmoor psychiatric hospital. We believe hes been taken there now for further treatment before he begins his custodial custodial sentence. But how is it that an ai chat bot can influence someone so much to carry out . What could well have been the crime of the century if he was successful . A question mark but there was a question mark over or was over whether or not he was actually compos mentis or not. When planning this. What when he was planning this. What did the judge say there . Did the judge say there . Judge had to weigh well, the judge had to weigh up whether or not he was mentally incapacitated when he carried out these crimes and what judge concluded it what the judge concluded was it was of the two. So was a mixture of the two. So there was some planning, such as applying to the armed forces to get royal family in get close to the royal family in order attempt to assassinate order to attempt to assassinate queen ii. And the Queen Elizabeth ii. And the judge concluded that all happens before either was in such a before either he was in such a bad mental state that he perhaps had diminished responsibility or something that. That something such as that. So that is has got partly a is why he has got partly a custodial sentence and he custodial jail sentence and he will eventually end up in jail when well enough to leave when he is well enough to leave hospital. But on the day itself , on Christmas Day 2021 child was , according to psychiatrists was, according to psychiatrists and the judge agreed was in a state of psychosis. So that is state of psychosis. So that is why it is a mixture of the two of the to punish patients and also treatments as well. Also treatments as well. Okay. Cameron walker, thank you so much for bringing us up to speed and what is a fascinating, quite frankly, terrifying lying case and significant as well. First, treason sentencing in 43 years. Thank you very much, cameron. Thank you very much, cameron. I cant believe that hed just say. Asked why hes there. Im here to kill the queen. The brass neck of it all. Absolutely remarkable. Now some breaking news for you now. Itv presenter Holly Willoughby has been placed under a round the clock protection after police foiled a credible conspiracy to kidnap the tv star. Now a man from harlow has been charged as part of the ongoing investigation. Gavin plumb of potters field harlow has been charged with soliciting to commit murder, incitement to commit rape and incitement, to commit kidnap. In an update to detective superintendent rob kirby from essex and kent, Serious Crime Directorate said this was an extremely fast paced investigation with many of our officers and National Partners working overnight to secure these charges. Well, joining us now from Television Centre in west london is gb News Reporter lisa hartle. And, lisa, this is the most shocking story to learn this morning. Last minute changes at this morning. Yes today. Whats the very latest . Today. Whats the very latest . The owner of that . The owner of that . So weve heard in the last few moments that police have charged man, 36 year old man named as gavin plumb over an alleged plot to kidnap Holly Willoughby. So the man from harlow essex has been accused of soliciting to commit murder, inciting to commit rape and incitement to commit kidnap. He will appear at Chelmsford Magistrate Court today after being arrested on wednesday. Superintendent tim stubbs said this was an extremely fast paced investigation with many of our officers and National Partners working overnight to secure these charges. The safeguarding these charges. The safeguarding of any victim is paramount and we will continue to prioritise this as the investigation action proceeds. Now, Holly Willoughby reportedly chose to pull out of filming on thursday, leaving many viewers wondering where she was, why she wasnt on the show. And Alison Hammond stepped in to present alongside josie gibson. Holly is also reportedly under Police Protection at her home where she lives with her husband and three children. And this mornings program, hosted by Dermot Oleary and Alison Hammond. Today, alison made hammond. Today, alison made a heartfelt tribute on there to her, saying we obviously are shocked to hear the news and we want to send our love and biggest hugs to holly. Its fascinating, of course, because yesterday today, viewers did not know what on earth had happened there. Normal presenters werent there. Do we know at what point everyone on the show learned about this . And, of course, how has it all gone after this mornings revelation. Revelation. So, again, this is all just down to reports at the moment, but reportedly police informed itv bosses shortly before the programme was due to air, which is why Alison Hammond was brought in last minute to fill in for Holly Willoughby, who chose, understandably, to go home and be under Police Protection. Theres also reports that itv are also providing support and security to holly at her london home. Well, lisa hartle, thank you so much for bringing us the latest there from Television Centre or former Television Centre. I suppose i should say. What do we have any indication, ian, about what this happened, about what happens next . When might Holly Willoughby return to the programme. The programme. This is all such as the police said, a fast moving investigation. So all we know at investigation. So all we know at the moment is the investigation is continuing. Holly remains under Police Protection at home. Its also reported that under standardly she was shocked and distraught to hear of the alleged kidnap plot against her. Yes, of course , she must be yes, of course, she must be absolutely terrified. And as you absolutely terrified. And as you say, lisa, she has very , very say, lisa, she has very, very young children. So you can imagine, anne, exactly how she must be feeling this morning. Thank you so much for bringing us up speed there in west london. Now, our scotland reporter tony mcguire is in hamilton and rutherglen, west because, of course, a seismic by election took place last night. Well, seismic, according to the labour party, perhaps not so seismic if you listen to snp sources. But of course, the labour party took this seat from from the snp, tony. How seismic was it . Well, i think that really depends on who you ask, to be honest. I think this is very much significant. But honest. I think this is very much significant. But up till today labour only had one scottish seat and that was Edinburgh South where ian murray and you may be familiar with and thatis and you may be familiar with and that is his seat and hes been incumbent there for quite some time and of course since really the 2014 independence referendum , scottish labour has been in essence wiped off the map when you consider that, you know , a you consider that, you know, a decade before that they were the governing party here in scotland. So keir starmer has made it quite clear that scotland is integral to his plan to win the next general election and that plan was really set in motion months ago when the recall petition began going out for Margaret Ferrier. So it seems like forever ago, but certainly that recall position came back with more than 10 of this constituency having signed it , she was recalled. And then it, she was recalled. And then we had scotlands first recall by election here in rutherglen and Hamilton West. Quite a small turnout as weve come to kind of expect really from the by elections. All around the country. But still 58 of that vote voting in favour of Michael Shanks , the modern studies shanks, the modern studies teacher turned politician, he will be joining ian murray down and the benches in commons and we will certainly see whether this is or isnt some kind of precursor to what will happen when we do finally roll up to the general election. I think its an easy trap to fall into, certainly to say that this shows that labour is going to walk away with the next election. But as heard time and time as weve heard time and time again the labour camp, they again from the labour camp, they have no plans to be complacent. Have no plans to be complacent. Tony, lets just well, tony, tony, lets just pause here, pause you for a second here, because as youre speaking, sir keir starmer and indeed anas sannar speaking live after sannar are speaking live after this result. Lets have a little this result. Lets have a little listen in to what anas sannar, the scottish labour leader, has to say. And we have the to say. And we have changed the face scottish politics. Face of scottish politics. We have flipped scottish politics on its head and the people of rutherglen and Hamilton West have sent a message to two failing governments that we want an end to the incompetence and end the chaos and end to the division and instead we want change. A fresh start for scotland and change for every part of our community. And weve done it by having a historic election result with Michael Shanks as our fantastic new scottish labour mp. I am so immense proud labour mp. I am so immense proud of this campaign , but in truth of this campaign, but in truth this is not a result that is weeks or months in the making. It is years in the making. I reflect back when i became leader two years ago, the scottish labour was 32 points behind the snp in the polls. People were talking about scottish labours, survival , not scottish labours, survival, not its revival and two years on we have gone from 32 points behind the snp to winning our First Parliament by election for over 12 years from. Our 32 deficit 12 years from. Our 32 deficit to being double the snp vote. Share in this agency and over 20 swing demonstrating that scotland will lead the way in delivering a uk Labour Government. My friends, the government. My friends, the change weve seen in scotland had not worked to change our labour party in a short space of time. We have gone from our worst result since the 1930 to now being seen as a force that will finally rid our whole country of this rotten tory government. He will be the man government. He will be the man that leads that change and transforms every single part of our country and against scotland will lead that way and deliver that uk wide a Labour Government. But i want to say a special message to the people of scotland over the last two years. In my case three years in keirs case we have with energy , with humility and with hard work, reached out to try and earn your trust and earn your support and that hard work doesnt stop now that we won this by election that hard work ramps up because we are very clear that we will have to work to earn your trust , to earn your to earn your trust, to earn your support, and through that, transform every part of our country, including here in scotland. But every part of our scotland. But every part of our United Kingdom. And the final point id make is the other thing that is now really, really clear in scottish politics is there is only one party thats trying to persuade anyone in scotland the conservatives, the morally bankrupt conservatives, are only appealing to their hardcore base, the incompetent and out of touch snp is only appealing to their hardcore base. Its only labour thats saying lets pull our country together and lets deliver that transformative change for every part of our country. There is no only one party. There is no only one party. That is the party of change in scotland and that is scottish laboun in scotland and that is scottish labour. Labour the party of change, the snp and tories anti change. But lets now build between now and the next general election and deliver that historic Labour Government that changes peoples lives here in scotland. And right across the uk. And that campaign on right across the uk will be led by my friend keir starmer. Thank you. Friend keir starmer. Thank you. They said that we couldnt change the labour party and we did it. They said that we couldnt win in the south of england and the north of england and we did it. England and the north of england and we did it. They said, youll never beat the snp in scotland and rutherglen. You did it. Never beat the snp in scotland and rutherglen. You did it. When and rutherglen. You did it. When i left here a week ago with the team , i said, youve got to win team, i said, youve got to win it or you blew the doors off and congratulations to our brilliant candidate. Now mp michael, what a fantastic campaign he has run. Im so proud of this campaign , im so proud of this campaign, of what you have achieved. Of what you have achieved. What a time when scottish voters looked at westminster, at the tory government and saw something which didnt represent them. They turned their back on that , but they they turned their back on that, but they also not so long ago saw a labour party that had drifted away from them. Weve drifted away from them. Weve changed. And we are the party of changed. And we are the party of changed. And we are the party of change in britain. We are the change in britain. We are the party of change right across the whole country. And whilst weve whole country. And whilst weve been busy here, youll have seen the tories have been in manchester. What a circus. Rishi sunak pretending that he is going to do things differently than nodding dog who passed all those decisions that he now says are a complete failure for the tory mps tangling with nigel farage, the cabinet jostling for the Prime Ministers job because they know that hes not up to it and we are the party of change. And as for the snp, this isnt about just a few months of turmoil in the snp. It is about turmoil in the snp. It is about years and years , years of years and years, years of non delivery and that is why we are the party of change. Now we go on from here. Theres much more work to do. This is a first step on a very, very important journey for all of us in scotland, for all of us across the whole of the United Kingdom, we get the chance now to lay out our positive case for change when we go to our conference in liverpool. Thats what we will be doing. Set out the change that we want to see in this country. But because we have country. But because we have changed, we are the hope of change. Because weve changed. We can answer the question on why labour because weve changed. We are hungry for power and because were changed, we are ready to serve across scotland and across the United Kingdom. Thank you so much, everyone. Fantastic campaign. Everyone. Fantastic campaign. Well well, there we have it. The leader of the labour party embracing there, the leader of the Scottish Labour Party, the deputy leader of the Scottish Labour Party, jackie baillie, there too. And the new member of parliament for rutherglen and Hamilton West, michael shank. Rutherglen and Hamilton West, michael shank. This the big michael shank. This the big victory event for the Scottish Labour Party. We heard sir keir starmer there say that nobody believed the labour party could beat the snp , although i suppose beat the snp, although i suppose a little caveat to that is that the labour party won this very seat in 2017. They only lost it in 2019. Lets get some Immediate Reaction now from our scotland reporter tony maguire, whos also in hamilton for us. Just down the road from where that event was taking place. Tony, your reaction on. Yeah, i think its quite interesting there. We definitely got a sense of the narrative thats going to come out of today that, you know, this victory wasnt born out of snp inadequacy. This was born out of the hard work and the graft put in by Michael Shanks and his team as well as, you know , the team as well as, you know, the collaboration, you know, which actually has seen quite a lot of over the last three months between scottish and the between scottish labour and the uk party. So, you know, uk labour party. So, you know, this is about labour doing right , not snp, not doing enough and i think that thats quite interesting and that we want to kind of see probably more positive , i guess we would positive, i guess we would expect to see coming out of the labour party in result of this and a few other things, i noficed and a few other things, i noticed that , you know, the, the noticed that, you know, the, the people of rutherglen, the turnout was low and it was quite typical. But as you mentioned typical. But as you mentioned just there, tom, this is a constituency, you know, since its creation, really all barring one election, which is consistently flip flopped between snp and labour since 2010. And its really i think when we actually get into the snp heartlands like dundee city, for example, and that will actually going to see the real test that labour will be up against, against like the strongholds of snp supporters. Strongholds of snp supporters. But i think we can all allow scottish labour and labour, theyve been waiting a long, long time for this second up here in scotland. So i think well maybe give them today to relish that victory. Relish that victory. Jubilant looking sir keir starmer there at that event just a few moments ago. How do you a few moments ago. How do you think the snp leader humza yousaf is feeling this morning . Whats the reaction been like from the snp . S well, i certainly think that almost immediately humza yousaf put out a tweet overnight saying, you know, this was a huge disappointment and this was always there can only be one winner in an election. But both parties really felt like they had to win this. The snp, they had to prove that they still had both hands on the wheel driving scotland fonnard. And of course this was the first huge electoral test for humza yousaf and to all intents and purposes, he failed to pass it. And think that his supporters and i think that his supporters as well as the wider public, will be taking a look at this and perhaps seeing that first in the armour that keir starmer has spent months and you know, as he, in his own words, years trying to point at the flaws and were going to finally have to probably see different side probably see a different side a more proactive side and humza yousaf even admitting himself that theyre going to have to work double time to win back the trust and the respect of the scottish people. Scottish people. Well, tony mcguire, there in hamilton and rutherglen, west for us. Thank you so much for bringing us the very latest there. As the Labour Party Leadership celebrates their victory now, were very pleased to be joined today by former editor of the daily star dawn neesom and our senior political commentator, nelson was commentator, nigel nelson was very pleased to see you two on our papers this morning. So very good to see you both. This fan tastic. And weve got this fan tastic story for the Scottish Labour Party overnight. Theyre absolutely delighted , as weve absolutely delighted, as weve just seen, keir starmer and anas sannar sannar on the stage there is that defeat of the snp in rutherglen and Hamilton West. Rutherglen and Hamilton West. Well , sorry, the lets talk well, sorry, the lets talk about that. The defeat of the snp. The defeat of the snp. Well, i mean the important thing there was to get the majority. They did that if labour had won it by say 5000 votes or something, it would have been quite good. Theyd be quite with that. But quite pleased with that. But its not quite good enough if to win, win this by 17,000 votes win, to win this by 17,000 votes and over 20. That is really big. So there are predictions at the moment that that would if you extrapolated that into a general election, you would get they would turn 40 mps in scotland. And given that yesterday they only had one, i think thats probably unlikely. Youre probably unlikely. Youre probably looking more like 20 to 25 mp5. Probably looking more like 20 to 25 mps. But either way, really good news for labour. It means good news for labour. It means that when they get into government and i think we are talking when now rather than rather than if they wont have to start thinking about coalitions. And obviously if the coalitions. And obviously if the snp had come back with a big a big cohort of mps, you might have to think about what you would do to appease them. This takes away a strong attack line from the conservatives, perhaps that theyd have to do some sort of dodgy deal behind the scenes. Yeah, i wonder though. Dawn neesom. Were talking this neesom. Were talking about this as is all down to the as if this is all down to the labour party. Of course is labour party. Of course this is the electoral test the the first electoral test of the snp Nicola Sturgeon was snp since Nicola Sturgeon was arrested and released. Arrested and then released. Theres missing £600,000. The scandalin theres missing £600,000. The scandal in the snp, but also the local factor that this was the seat of none other than Margaret Ferrier who ferried covid up and down the country in the most obnoxious and egregious way. Absolutely. Yeah. I mean well remember that story, dont we . Working in london, we . She was working in london, did test and then still did a test and then still decided the train and decided to get on the train and was actually convicted of recklessly exposing people to the back in the time. So the virus back in the time. So thats this thats what triggered this particular by election. The thing mean , obviously no one thing i mean, obviously no one expects the tories to do well. I mean, theyre not going to do well. Its not a tory stronghold. The thing i find astonishing about this is the turnout. Was incredibly low. Turnout. It was incredibly low. It only 37. So that means it was only 37. So that means how engaged are people . How how how engaged are people . How how much do people care . I mean, its not good for news humza yousaf at all in any way, shape or form. And remember, he always boasted that he had Nicola Sturgeon on speed dial. Well one wonders if he still does. So wonders if he still does. So its a great message for him its not a great message for him that so few voters turned out. But i agree with nigel on this. I think, you know, this is one result. I dont think its going to translate into a general election. But is it the end of Scottish Independence . I think now they would find it much , now they would find it much, much harder. I think support was waning in any case, much, much harder get over the line. Harder to get over the line. Nigel, are we well and truly past the water of past the High Water Mark of scottish sentiment at scottish separatist sentiment at the moment . It looks like it and certainly if the general election then wipes out an awful lot more snp mps. Election then wipes out an awful lot more snp mps. Yes, very much lot more snp mps. Yes, very much so. I mean the what they need to so. I mean the what they need to actually for Scottish Independence is obviously a strong showing in scotland, but equally a strong showing in westminster where are you going to get Scottish Independence is where snp mps can put pressure on whitehall to grant them the permission to hold the referendum, which they said would be once in a lifetime. Well, they did, but i mean i think that the i do sympathise with the scots, by the way, that that although the referendum in 2014 was meant to be once in a lifetime, no one knew about brexit then. So the scots brexit then. So the scots arguments always been that circumstances have changed hugely because of brexit. Oh, as if they wouldnt find any other excuse to say the circumstances have changed. Well, i mean, but certainly brexit did. You had a massive vote to remain in scotland and that was then. Obviously wiped out by the english vote. And out by the english vote. And their argument would be, i think that you have you have to attach it to independence if theyre an independent country, the plan would be to go back into the eu i there are a lot of whether or not the eu would allow that or spain would allow that, whether theyd allow it is a good question. Whether youd have to accept the euro if you did go back, that might not be very popular up in scotland. But i mean, thats argument thats the argument that certainly did change certainly things did change radically because of the brexit vote know there vote and we didnt know there would vote back in 2014. Looking ahead to the general election because thats election then, because thats what is looking what what everyone is looking ahead now. Dawn, lets go to ahead to now. Dawn, lets go to the guardian front page, shall ahead to now. Dawn, lets go to the thisdian front page, shall ahead to now. Dawn, lets go to the this morning . Page, shall ahead to now. Dawn, lets go to the this morning . And 3, shall ahead to now. Dawn, lets go to the this morning . And this all ahead to now. Dawn, lets go to the this morning . And this is. We, this morning . And this is the team from labour the team from the labour 1997 win. Urging sir keir win. They are urging sir keir starmer be bold and well, starmer to be bold and well, i mean, i dont think you have to be, you know, from the labour team of 1997 to urge sir keir starmer to be bold, because lets face it, the one thing we all know about keir starmer for certain is that he sits on the fence and he does flip flop. Fence and he does flip flop. I mean, i dont think even here deny that by now. So yeah, being do find this being bold, but i do find this a bit astonishing coming from the likes of Alastair Campbell , who, likes of Alastair Campbell, who, you know, they were so bold. They invaded a country. So are they suggesting that, you know, they suggesting that, you know, the weapons mass destruction the weapons of mass destruction , that keir , are they suggesting that keir starmer, who is forensic, is a barrister , actually does barrister, actually does something that dramatic . I mean, something that dramatic . I mean, are they saying you should be more tony blair . I mean, because there are a lot of people on the outskirts who are saying, well, actually, tony blairs going to be pulling the strings. In any case, should labour be elected . And neither tony blair nor sir case, should labour be elected . And starmertony blair nor sir case, should labour be elected . And starmer seem lair nor sir case, should labour be elected . And starmer seem tor nor sir case, should labour be elected . And starmer seem tor nor denied keir starmer seem to have denied thats the case. Interesting this its interesting how this feeds what rishi sunak feeds into what rishi sunak was saying weekend. Rishi saying over the weekend. Rishi sunak is the sunak saying keir starmer is the man status quo. Im the man of the status quo. Im the change candidate and now it seems that this is almost trying to back against that. Yes to push back against that. Yes is. I mean , i think yes, it is. I mean, i think that i think its politics is so confusing at the moment. And nigel and i were talking in the green room just now. Its like if we get the politicians we deserve, what the hell did we if we get the politicians we desdo . � , what the hell did we if we get the politicians we des do . So hat the hell did we if we get the politicians we des do . So wrong . Hell did we if we get the politicians we desdo . So wrong . Inll did we if we get the politicians we desdo . So wrong . In a did we if we get the politicians we desdo . So wrong . In a previous all do . So wrong . In a previous life, whether its labour, snp conserved that we are where we are now. A re now. Are now. Oh goodness me. Well the labour leader, sir keir starmer, has of course just been speaking about this election victory. About this election victory. Lets remind ourselves of what he say. He had to say. So this was a very positive vote for labour. Weve been vote for labour. Weve been knocking on thousands and thousands of doors and the message that weve got back is that people know that the labour party has changed. They want change in scotland and they put their trust in labour and i want to thank everybody who voted for labour yesterday in this by election. Theyve put their trust in a changed labour party and we will repay that trust. But we accept this victory humbly , knowing that its a step humbly, knowing that its a step on the Journey Towards the next general election. General election. The reality is though, youre out of step or your new mp is keir starmer speaking there. After victory after that victory in Rutherglen Hamilton West, rutherglen and Hamilton West, nigel nelson , what do you make nigel nelson, what do you make of that . I mean, the key word is change the party of change. Thats right. I mean, this is what rishi sunak was talking about last week. Unfortunately theyve in power for 13 theyve been in power for 13 years. So its a bit late to years. And so its a bit late to talk about change. Whereas keir starmer his conference this starmer at his conference this next week. We re next week. Were talking about nigel, if were talking about them power 13 them being in power for 13 years, its bit late to talk years, its a bit late to talk about change. You the one about change. You are the one mentioning now about what mentioning just now about what the thing covid and the brexit thing and covid and all things have changed an all that. Things have changed an awful so i they have awful lot. So i mean they have had lot to deal with. Had a lot to deal with. But rishi sunak was but what rishi sunak was saying a new politics will saying was a new politics will change from we were. Change from where we were. I mean, of covid and change from where we were. I meiother of covid and change from where we were. I meiother things. Of covid and change from where we were. I meiother things. And ovid and change from where we were. I meiother things. And ov it and change from where we were. I meiother things. And ov it was the other things. And so it was a bit rich on the basis that theyve been sitting there for 13 rishi sunak was in 13 years. Rishi sunak was in government for a substantial part of that time. And then to Start Talking about change, i think what keir starmer is saying here is hes tried to hes trying to say this represents what should be going on in the rest of the country. So here we had a situation, if you take away the snp from this, we have a situation where the tory candidate polled 15 of the votes last time that went down to 4, lost a lost his deposit and thats thats what tory mps are terrified of in the rest of the country. Maybe thats why theyre all looking for jobs. Might that be a unique thing in scotland , though . There are in scotland, though . There are seats held by conservatives in scotland where the labour vote goes to almost nothing scotland where the labour vote goes theyre most nothing scotland where the labour vote goes theyre allst nothing scotland where the labour vote goes theyre all trying ing scotland where the labour vote goes theyre all trying tol because theyre all trying to keep the theres keep out the snp and theres almost a bit of unionist tactical north of the border. Yeah, and i think that in this case that the that the tories did vote tactically in this so yes there this constituency. So yes there is a bit of that. I mean, you know, scotland is a different country. Weve got to remember different and do different politics and they do do different but it is do different things, but it is the indication, i think fact the indication, i think the fact the indication, i think the fact the went down so much the tory vote went down so much is keir starmer is actually is what keir starmer is actually pointing to and thats what might happen then the for might happen then for the for the of the country. Might happen then for the for the 20s of the country. Might happen then for the for the 20s dawn, country. Might happen then for the for the 20s dawn, whatsy. Might happen then for the for the 20s dawn, whats your 20s dawn, whats your reaction to sir keir starmer saying hes the party of change . Well, the party of change, yeah, but only a third of people bother turning out to change anything, with you, anything, to be honest with you, didnt well let us know didnt they . Well let us know what home. What you make at home. All have an opinion on you all have an opinion on that. Vaiews gbnews. Com. Change candidate . Whos the change candidate . Is man was chancellor is it the man who was chancellor for years . Is now the actual prime has not been Prime Minister but has not been an for years. Only an mp for these 13 years. Only seven or so of them or is it mr status quo himself, sir keir starmer sir keir starmer is he an agent of change . Complicated to work out. Hello to work out. Hello very good morning to you. Its Aidan Mcgivern here from the met office with the gb news forecast. A fine and warm day to come in the south, but cloudy and breezy elsewhere with outbreaks in places outbreaks of rain in places mostly the central parts of southern scotland, Northern Ireland, Northern England and north wales, where well see the wettest conditions. The rain, heavy persistent over the heavy and persistent over the hills. I think north of the central belt, there will be some brightness after initial rain clears away, but it will be windy cooler here with windy and much cooler here with that coming from the north that wind coming from the north for far of scotland, for the far north of scotland, along with a few showers. So 13 celsius, but in the celsius, for example. But in the south, thats the south, well, thats where the sunshine will be at its warmest with temperatures here of 20 to 23, perhaps 24 celsius. We keep some of that warmth into the evening and overnight, but certainly a breezy night and a cloudy night for many. So temperatures arent going to fall Northern Isles fall far for the Northern Isles. See showers and. Were going to see showers and a wind from the north, a strong wind from the north, gales in exposed parts. But for gales in exposed parts. But for the rest of scotland, actually, its wet by dawn its increasingly wet by dawn with some heavy rain turning up, especially in the west of scotland, across the scotland, elsewhere across the uk, clouds, some uk, some low clouds, some mistiness first thing this weekend, lift fairly weekend, but it will lift fairly quickly sunshine will quickly and sunshine will develop widely across england and wales , the far north of and wales, the far north of england, seeing a wet start perhaps, but the rain should ease off into afternoon. Ease off into the afternoon. Northern ireland seeing some hazy sunshine. For the hazy sunshine. But for the central into northern central belt north into northern parts of mainland scotland, its going to be very wet through saturday with the risk of localised flooding. 24 celsius in south. In the south. Well, in the next few moments well be speaking to a local scampton councillor as the legal nofice scampton councillor as the legal notice for stopping the home office from converting scampton expires. Were gb news britain channel way. Good morning. Its 11 am. Way. Good morning. Its 11 am. On a friday the 6th of october. This is britains newsroom on news with tom hannood and me, Ellie Costello coming up for you this morning. This morning. A win for labour. Michael shanks has become a new mp after he won the rutherglen and Hamilton West by election in scotland overnight. He took the scotland overnight. He took the seat from the snp. We heard from seat from the snp. We heard from sir keir starmer a few moments ago. The sir keir starmer a few moments ago. The leader of the Scottish Labour Party, anas sannar , labour party, anas sannar, thinks its a sign of things to come. The absolutely extraordinary result, a seismic result and i think this will send shockwaves through the snp and his historic moment in scottish politics. I think scottish politics is fundamentally changed tonight. Fundamentally changed tonight. Matt plot foiled. Man has matt plot foiled. Man has been charged over the alleged plot to kidnap and murder Holly Willoughby. The this morning presenter has been placed under Police Protection after the credible conspiracy to kidnap her was stopped. Her was stopped. Scampton spat. The home office is continuing to convert the former raf base scampton into a camp for Asylum Seekers, despite being told to stop work immediately. Immediately. Yes, lots of you getting in touch on raf scampton. Well be sharing some of that after the news bulletin with. Tamsin news bulletin with. Tamsin ellie, thank you. And good morning from the gb newsroom. Its 11 01. A morning from the gb newsroom. Its11 01. A mans been morning from the gb newsroom. Its 11 01. A mans been charged its11 01. A mans been charged over an alleged plot to kidnap and murder. Tv presenter Holly Willoughby. Essex police says 36 year old gavin plumb has been remanded into custody, accused of soliciting to commit murder and incitement to commit rape and incitement to commit rape and kidnap the star pulled out of hosting this morning after bosses were reportedly alerted to the possible threat. Its understood shes been given round the clock security and support. Sir round the clock security and support. Sir keir round the clock security and support. Sir keir starmer round the clock security and support. Sir keir starmer is celebrating what hes described as a seismic win for labour in the rutherglen and Hamilton West by election to scotlands newest mp Michael Shanks. Michael mp Michael Shanks. Michael shanks won the seat with 58 of the vote, more than double that of the snps katie loudon. The of the snps katie loudon. The by election was called after a recall petition against Margaret Ferrier, who was an snp member and who breached covid rules. The party leader says scotland is key to a labour majority at the next general election. The next general election. Ive been determined from the moment i took over as leader of the labour party to take us from one of the worst defeats since the 1930. For us to a general election victory. And thats why we worked so hard to change the labour party. Ive always said the route to that general election runs through scotland and that is because i know how strongly so many people in scotland want change and i want to, if were elected in to serve, i want to be the Prime Minister for the whole of the United Kingdom, not just of the United Kingdom, not just of the United Kingdom. So it matters hugely that we succeed here in scotland. Scotland. Police and private companies are being urged to stop using facial recognition, surveillance. Former brexit secretary david davis and lib dems leader sir ed davey are among a group of 65 mps and peers backing a big brother watch campaign, calling for change. Police have used live facial Recognition Software at large scale Public Events such as the kings coronation the group says its concerned about human rights, the potential for discrimination and a lack of public mandate. The home office has been accused of ignonng home office has been accused of ignoring a legal order to immediately stop converting a former air base into an asylum camp. West lindsey district camp. West Lindsey District Council served the department with a notice last month for breaching planning restrictions , but the council and locals say work is continuing. The government intends to house 2000 Asylum Seekers at raf scampton in lincolnshire to reduce the reliance on hotels. As a home reliance on hotels. As a Home Office Spokesperson told gb news, its confident the project does meet planning requirements. The un has deployed a field team to investigate an airstrike in ukraine that killed at least 52 people. Yes today a missile hit a cafe and Grocery Store in a village where people gathered for a memorial service. It a village where people gathered for a memorial service. It was for a memorial service. It was one of the biggest civilian death tolls since the start of the war. The un high commissioner for human rights said the missile was likely fired by russia, but it was too early to say. The team will speak to survivors and gather more information. Moscow denies deliberately targeting civilians. A week after hosting one of golfs biggest competitions as the ryder cup, a golf course in rome has been engulfed in flames. Aerial footage shows a large spectator stand at the Marco Simone Club burning yesterday evening. Last weekend, europe regained the trophy theyd lost to the us in 2021. House prices fell slightly last month, but proved more resilient than analysts expected. Higher than analysts expected. Higher Mortgage Rates were expected to fuel a sharp decline, but they only fell by 0. 4 in september. Only fell by 0. 4 in september. Halifax says on a month on month basis, prices have dropped for six months in a row, with the average home now costing £280,000. This is gb news across the uk on tv in your car, on Digital Radio and on your smart speaken Digital Radio and on your Smart Speaker. By saying play gb news now its back over to tom and. Now its back over to tom and. Ellie thanks , tamsin. Ellie thanks, tamsin. Its 1105. Youre with britains newsroom on gb news with tom hannood and me, Ellie Costello. And its our favourite part of the programme because its all about you and your emails. Lots of you have been in touch morning and we just touch this morning and we just saw 60 tama and his victory lap in rutherglen and Hamilton West. We asked your reaction to those scenes. Tracy says sir keir starmer would be a disaster for the country and david says the labour win was an only 30 turnout out. Yeah but i suppose by elections do usually have low turnouts. Its very rare to see a by election with a turnout that has the same sort of turnout as a general election seat. But dan has written in to say same old, same old tories or labour. No new thinking from the public, simply jumping from the pan into the fire in credible. Nada says starmer speech was terrible. So much waffle and no content as usual. He did seem to be saying the same line over and over again, which was we are the party of change. And why was he so intent on that . Tom well, thats exactly what rishi sunak has been saying. People have been saying, oh, theyre putting so much clear blue water between the two parties now. But listen to their speeches. You why speeches. Do you know why theyre saying theyre both the party thats what party of change . Thats what their groups told their focus groups have told them. To hear. They them. They want to hear. They have. Have. Theyve been have. They have. Theyve been using, course, focus groups have. They have. Theyve been usinpollstersse, focus groups have. They have. Theyve been usinpollsters. E, focus groups have. They have. Theyve been usinpollsters. This us groups have. They have. Theyve been usinpollsters. This is; groups have. They have. Theyve been usinpollsters. This is whatps and pollsters. This is what politicians get closer politicians do as we get closer to an election. And clearly, what saying what the country has been saying to both two focus groups of both parties is , oh, we want change. Parties is, oh, we want change. Were tired of the same old, same old. So now both Party Leaders are coming out and saying that verbatim. Saying that verbatim. Yeah, it is very similar rhetoric , isnt it . In the past rhetoric, isnt it . In the past few days from both leaders of both parties and john says the labour gain was because of tactical voting by people who wont vote for labour in a general election. An it is general election. An it is a point, isnt it . I mean very often general elections can play out very differently to a by election result. Thats true. But i think specifically in scotland we will see of tactical voting in see a lot of tactical voting in the general election. Therell be voters who hold be Labour Party Voters who hold their noses and vote for incumbent mps scotland. Incumbent tory mps in scotland. Whether there are of whether i think there are six of them right keep out the them right now to keep out the snp, theyll vote tory and i think therell be a lot of tories weve clearly seen in tories as weve clearly seen in hamilton, Hamilton West, in hamilton, in Hamilton West, in rutherglen, where clearly tories have held their nose and voted labour to get out. The snp. Its very good to have you here, isnt it . Its very good to him here after such a to have him here after such a huge political overnight. Huge political story overnight. Do views coming in do keep your views coming in on the rutherglen and Hamilton West. A seismic win for west. Result a seismic win for labour describe as what labour. They describe it as what do of it . Vaiews gbnews. Com well, the home office is continuing to convert the former raf base scampton into a camp for Asylum Seekers. This despite being told to stop work immediately. Well, they say we are confident that our project , confident that our project, which will house Asylum Seekers in a basic safe and secure accommodation in meets the planning requirements. Thats planning requirements. Thats from the home office and they gave that directly to gb news. Well, west Lindsey District Council served the home office with a stop notice on the 22nd of september, breaching planning restrictions. Thats over the breach. But since then the council and locals say that trucks keep coming in and work carries on. So whats really going on on the ground . Lets speak to the conservative councillor in scampton, Roger Patterson. Roger as far as you patterson. Roger as far as you know , is it the case that the know, is it the case that the home office is continuing to send lorries, send workmen, continue work despite this legal stop notice . Stop notice . Absolutely. They just completely ignoring the legal what they have to do by law. Theyre breaking the law. I mean, its ironic really. The mean, its ironic really. The law makers are breaking the law. But what carries on every single day , everybody can see it. And day, everybody can see it. And its absolutely shocking. And they should stop now. They they they should stop now. They they have to stop, but they just ignore us. Its fascinating, however, because, of course, the government, from their perspective , would say theyre perspective, would say theyre in a real bind. People dont want Asylum Seekers in hotels. The barge that the government procured has been a disaster. Why cant the government use sites like scampton disused raf bases to put these people. Put these people. Well, they can. The difference between scampton and a lot of other places is weve got a legal agreement between the council and the mod for redevelopment there. Weve a £300 million redevelopment ready to go now. And it was ready to go. It was announced and within hours the home office announced that they were going to send Asylum Seekers in. This is what makes it completely different to anywhere else. This is not our fight, isnt about Asylum Seekers. Our fight is about our futures. Its about about securing this £300 Million Development without it, weve got no future. Our future at scampton is bleak. Scampton is bleak. Well, roger, the home office have told gb news that they are confident that their work meets planning requirements. What do planning requirements. What do you say to that . Whats your message to the home office. Message to the home office. Well, i mean, i would trust the home office and i have no confidence in them at all. First of all, i think they should be disbanded. Theyre liars , disbanded. Theyre liars, charlatans. Theyre undemocratic. They they they dont meet the legal requirement. Section 75 of legal requirement. Section 75 of the central lincolnshire local plan is specifically for scampton. And what theyre doing scampton. And what theyre doing completely misses everything. It doesnt hit any targets on it. It would be refused. Is that it would be refused. Is that planning . Planning full planning application. And they know that same as the central lincolnshire local plan. Its absolutely specific on what can and cant happenin specific on what can and cant happen in central lincolnshire and it doesnt include centres like this for Asylum Seekers or anybody else. It could be a houday anybody else. It could be a holiday camp, it could be anything. It doesnt allow it anything. It doesnt allow it and they know this and they wont win a legal case. They wont win a legal case. They wont win a planning application. Theyre just lying and just forcing it through and, you know, sticking two fingers up to local democracy. Up to local democracy. Roger patterson, youre a conservative councillor and youre calling the conservative home office and the politicians who lead it. Youre calling the home secretary a liar and a charlatan and undemocratic. How charlatan and undemocratic. How can you stay in the same party as her . Because im a conservative. Im fortunately theres a lot of conservatives that arent conservative. Um i am a conservative. Um i am a conservative. I believe in the conservative. I believe in the conservative way. I believe in the conservative party rules. But the home office have absolutely done us up a kipper. And i dont believe them. Theyve lied constantly. The theyve lied constantly. The officials, theyve come along. We had a meeting the other night. I was silent every time i asked a question, i was locked out. My question never got put fonnard. They did allow people to put fonnard questions like what are you going to do about local residents and their racism, which is completely offensive because there was no racism. Zahawi have scampton racism. Zahawi have scampton its all about this development. They allowed questions like that. People who clearly want local residents and yet they locked out democrat practically elected officials and they locked out residents and residents couldnt answer. And we sat there and listened to the same nonsense that weve heard time and time again. Same nonsense that weve heard time and time again. And they time and time again. And they will not answer. And i dont will not answer. And i dont care whos in charge or anything else. As far as im concerned, i else. As far as im concerned, i have no trust in them at all. No faith in them. And the home office officials, the Civil Servants and anyone else whos involved in this needs to be sacked. And the Home Office Needs to be disbanded. Should the home secretary go, then . Is that what youre saying . Well, if shes in charge of it and shes been told and she has been told that scampton is not the right place to hold this centre , its not fit for centre, its not fit for purpose. The buildings are in total decay. The site isnt fit for anything. And shes ignored for anything. And shes ignored their advice. So i would say yes , if shes ignoring official advice and the reports and everything and she has to go , everything and she has to go, well, thats an admirably candid from you, Roger Patterson , an from you, Roger Patterson, an extraordinary moment, perhaps , extraordinary moment, perhaps, for a conservative councillor calling on the conservative home secretary to resign. I, i wonder i somehow think its unlikely that she will. What would you like to see happen next from , um, the home happen next from, um, the home office . From the government. Just want to see them recognise that weve got this deal, weve got this future and theyre destroying our future. Destroying our future. If they can come to lincolnshire, i can show them three bases very close to us where they the mod pulled out and left them with nothing and the council was still supporting them to this day its costing them to this day its costing the taxpayer a fortune. Ours is different. Weve got this different. Weve got this development we dont need support. We just need to be able to get on with our lives and just say to them again , this just say to them again, this isnt the right place. Its not isnt the right place. Its not about the Asylum Seekers. This is not the right place for it. Its the development is the only thing that can go ahead here. They know it, we know it. And id say to them, stop work now. Id say to them, stop work now. Pull out and lets get on with our lives. Okay . Roger patterson, okay . Roger patterson, conservative councillor in scampton, very good to see you this morning. Thank you very much for your time for and describing the situation on the ground. Well, the home office have spoken to gb news and they say we are confident that our project, which will house Asylum Seekers in basic safe and secure accommodation , ocean meets the accommodation, ocean meets the planning required agents. And Roger Patterson was saying there that scampton is not fit for purpose. Well, the home office purpose. Well, the home office would say that is exactly what theyre doing with this remedial work on scampton. So it is work on raf scampton. So it is important say well, in important to say that well, in other news, International Human rights lawyer , i believe david rights lawyer, i believe david haigh joins us now. Who needs. Well, david, hey, who needs. Well, david, hey, thank you so much for joining who needs. Well, david, hey, thank you so much forjoining us to continue with this story. I suppose we do have to house migrants somewhere , dont we, migrants somewhere, dont we, especially as it takes. So long now to process them. Now to process them. Well, absolutely. I mean, good afternoon. Good morning, actually, to both of you. Its still morning. I mean, i was listening to your guest earlier on, and, you know, youve got to what seems like a very desperate government, seemingly be putting to guest prepared to your previous guest prepared to your previous guest prepared to break the law to meet their pledges. And on the other hand, youve an equally desperate youve got an equally desperate council trying to protect their local their local resources and their investment. Like you said, at the the day, we need to the end of the day, we need to house migrants that are house the migrants that are coming somewhere these coming somewhere and these bases do seem provided theyre safe , a do seem provided theyre safe, a suitable place to house them. Suitable place to house them. Thats exactly the point, isnt it , thats exactly the point, isnt it, david . Hey, i mean that the home office would say they need to house migrants somewhere. Weve seen what happened to the bibby stockholm and it still isnt in use. Weve got the cost of hotels at £8 million a day. I mean, that isnt a long term solution. They isnt a long term solution. They would say this is the obvious thing to do, but we have an issue with nimbyism in this country where local councils and local people wouldnt want migrants housed in their. Community well, absolutely. And thats the issue. Well, absolutely. And thats theissue. I well, absolutely. And thats the issue. I think that you saw earlier. I mean, ive looked through the on this particular case, judicial review case, theres a judicial review of of this, the proposed of the use of this, the proposed use of this by the government at the end month. But, you the end of the month. But, you know, when you look that, know, when you look at that, its something that does need resolving. Looked at the resolving. Ive looked at the judicial they judicial review grounds and they seem what the seem quite flimsy, what the council saying in terms of council is saying in terms of why cant there why people cant be housed there. You understand council. You understand the council wants their wants to protect their resources, protect the people in in case the investment. In this case the investment. But we address the we do need to address the problem. We also need to problem. But we also need to address the problem for the asylum that theyre Asylum Seekers so that theyre in and the in somewhere safe and the resolution is a very resolution to this is a very difficult but its very difficult one, but its very concerning that were seeing a government prepared to break the law to meet its electoral pledges. And if thats the case, pledges. And if thats the case, where does that stop . I suppose it was extraordinary hearing Roger Patterson there, the conservative councillor , calling conservative councillor, calling on the home secretary to resign over this issue. I suppose what the home secretary would say is that she wishes she she wishes she didnt have to use an raf base and she wants to change the whole International Legal framework around this that she doesnt want to have to break any sort of obligation that the United Kingdom has signed up to. Do you think in the think that there is merit in the argument that this entire Legal Framework around the International System of accepting refugees, that was drawn up after the Second World War was drawn up in a different era . Era . Absolutely. I think , you absolutely. I think, you know, ive said before that what we need to do, we need to have a sensible conversation globally about the problem. Its a global problem. And a couple of barges isnt resolve it for isnt going to resolve it for anyone. Got the problem anyone. Weve got the problem here. The problem in here. Weve got the problem in the eu and the us. There needs to be a sense, a sensible conversation going to to be a sense, a sensible convedifficult going to to be a sense, a sensible convedifficult parts going to to be a sense, a sensible convedifficult parts goingyou have difficult parts of it. You know, from from back when the echr was first was first envisaged, the word, you know, its what its not discrimination. What were were at were looking were looking at now discrimination. And then now is discrimination. And then it peoples lives were now is discrimination. And then it risk. Peoples lives were now is discrimination. And then it risk. So peoples lives were now is discrimination. And then it risk. So weve. Es lives were now is discrimination. And then it risk. So weve moved s were now is discrimination. And then it risk. So weve moved away at risk. So weve moved away from people getting asylum because is at risk because their life is at risk and need protecting. And and they need protecting. And thats immediate people thats immediate to people getting because getting asylum because of discrimination. Thats discrimination. And what thats meant asylum meant to the genuine Asylum Seekers that genuinely have their lives at risk. Theyre stuck in this backlog with delays and in limbo. So there delays and in limbo. So there needs to be a Global Solution and were not seeing that. And were just not seeing that. Were some good speeches, were seeing some good speeches, were seeing good ideas, but its getting anywhere. And its not getting anywhere. And then come to then when it does come to housing, were seeing housing, then were seeing battles the local battles between the local council and the government. And were home secretaries were seeing home secretaries potentially law potentially breaking the law that their previous governments have made. Its situation have made. Its a situation which is a no win for anyone at the moment. The moment. Well, david, hey, you have expertly described the absolute mess of whats going on there. Its hard to keep track of all the different timings and goings and david hey , and comings, but. David hey, International Rights International Human rights lawyer, much for lawyer, thank you so much for talking us through that situation. Action now, still to come, could donald trump be returning to washington than to washington sooner than expected . Im doubtful, but expected . Well im doubtful, but youre with britains newsroom. Find out why some people are saying that he could go with. Join the live desk on. Gb news. The peoples channel. Britains news channel. Britains news channel. Its 1124 and britains news channel. Its1124 and youre britains news channel. Its 1124 and youre with britains newsroom here on gb news. With me, tom hannood and Ellie Costello. Now republican Ellie Costello. Now republican congressman troy nehls will nominate donald trump to replace Kevin Mccarthy as the speaker of the house of representatives. Yes the speaker does not have to be a member of congress, although no speaker has ever assumed the role without holding assumed the role without holding a seat. Now greg swensen is the chairman of republic means overseas in the United Kingdom. And greg, lets just roll back a bit. Why why is there a vacancy for the speaker of the house . What has happened in the last 48 hours . Not a not a good moment for the party or the country. It was complete chaos. And what happened is, speaker mccarthy, when he had his 15 ballots in january , he had to make some january, he had to make some concessions. One of which was to change the rules and allow a single opponent to call for his his removal. And whereas, prior his removal. And whereas, prior to that , it had to be a much to that, it had to be a much larger number, i dont recall exactly what it was , but it made exactly what it was, but it made him really vulnerable. And sure him really vulnerable. And sure enough, when the rogue eight republicans that that have been just chaotic, when they decided that they it was an opportunity to get a lot of attention, an opportunity to fundraise as far as policy goes, they really didnt disagree that much, but they really there was a personal animosity. It was absolutely, absolutely personal. It really wasnt policy. Matt gaetz, whos the one who called for his removal . Well, hes got a real removal . Well, hes got a real personal grievance. Hes being personal grievance. Hes being investigated by the Ethics Committee for a relationship with a 17 year old girl. I mean , really kind of sleazy stuff. And so he was mad that mccarthy didnt stop that, even though it wasnt mccarthys initial. You know, he didnt instigate it. So you know, its really a vendetta. And its created chaos within the party. Its damaging to the brand. Its damaging to the gop. And i think itll hurt us in the elections next year. So bring us up to speed. And how did Donald Trumps name get thrown into the ring and how serious is that as a suggestion, a few of the rogue eight republics, ians only 4 of the republican majority , by the way. Republican majority, by the way. So a few of them, Marjorie Taylor greene, 1 or 2 of the others. You know, posted it on twitter or made some kind of announcement that they were going to nominate President Trump. Now i dont think he would get the votes. And on one would get the votes. And on one hand, you know, you mentioned that that the constitution doesnt specifically say that it has to be a member. But on the other hand, the precedent is pretty clear and a lot of the courts have opined that you can use precedent to further define, you know, the original intent of the constitution and the articles of confederation, which was the predecessor to the constitution. They specifically constitution. They specifically said it had to be a member. And it goes back to english law really the 14th century english law that the, you know, the members could choose from among their members , ukip. And thats their members, ukip. And thats just its been for forever. So it could be yet more legal trouble were he to be nominated, were he to be voted for by a majority of the house to become speaken majority of the house to become speaker, it could end up at the Supreme Court bashing it down anyway. I dont think itll go that far. You know, this is not something that he wants to do for the entire term until until the election. He said he would do 90 days, which is kind do it for 90 days, which is kind of silly. He also claimed 90 days. I can unite the days. So i can unite the republican party, which i found pretty amusing. So its a great attention getter for President Trump. Sure fundraise trump. Im sure hell fundraise off theres a picture of him off it. Theres a picture of him with speaker gavel in his off it. Theres a picture of him with you peaker gavel in his off it. Theres a picture of him with you know, gavel in his off it. Theres a picture of him with you know, thisel in his off it. Theres a picture of him with you know, this isin his off it. Theres a picture of him with you know, this is justs hand. You know, this is just theatre at this point. The only really sick chances, i think, of getting another speaker quickly would be the two that have announced. Jim jordan or Steve Scalise. I dont know that scalise. So i dont know that jordan would get the votes. I think scalise can get the votes. It absolutely fascinating it is absolutely fascinating watching all of this from over here. You think our politics is dramatic our politics is dramatic and our politics is complicated at times, but it seems we cannot get away seems that we cannot get away from trump. Hes not in office at the moment. Hes got a number of trials that hes facing in the next year or so and still hes the name on everybodys lips. Absolutely. And i think, you know, the left and the media, which are essentially the same thing united states, they thing in the united states, they are want trump to be the are they want trump to be the candidate. Its for candidate. Its better for ratings. Its also think ratings. Its also they think that more likely lose that hed much more likely lose rather than another candidate. So as as betting goes is with the democrats, they want trump to be. So the more attention they can give to trump these indictments and the mugshot were fantastic former president fantastic for former President Trump the left wants that. Trump and the left wants that. They want him to be the nominee. So should we be looking at what have been what the democrats have been doing of doing in the house of representatives . They representatives . Of course, they have been voting with the renegade republicans because , of renegade republicans because, of course, if the democrats had been voting with the establishment republicans, there wouldnt have been the threat of the shutdown. Wouldnt the shutdown. There wouldnt have the have been the turfing out of the speaker would been speaker. Things would have been getting smoothly. To what getting along smoothly. To what extent should the next leadership, next house leadership, next house leadership, whether its Steve Scalise or anyone else who becomes the house speaker, to what extent should they be looking to work with democrats to get those votes rather than the whole republican party, which seems fairly disunited . Its a great question. And i its a great question. And i think the problem is, you know, you only need 8 or 10 democrats to come along. They could have found ten democrats that that are trump districts who are are from trump districts who are to vulnerable in the to going be vulnerable in the election year. Im sure election next year. Im sure they would gone they happily would have gone along. The democrats give along. But the democrats give them credit. Theyre very united. Not afraid to united. Theyre not afraid to play united. Theyre not afraid to play dirty. It would have been a classy to mccarthy classy move to support mccarthy because perhaps the next one is going to be worse for the democrats. And but also, mccarthy worked with the mccarthy had worked with the democrats. And fact, the democrats. And in fact, the budget resolution resolutions avoiding the shutdown on sunday. That was all with cooperation from the democrats, like matt gaetz hates him so much. You know, they did, you know, mccarthy did them a favour and then they around two days then they turn around two days later really put a knife in later and really put a knife in his so it was uncool. But his back. So it was uncool. But thats thats they play. Thats thats how they play. And, know, good for them. And, you know, good for them. They get it done. Thats politics. Yeah. Yeah. Swenson, chairman for greg swenson, chairman for republican always very republican overseas. Always very good to see you. Great to see you. Thanks for having me. Now, still to come, the average brit. Now has less than real now has less than four real friends. How do feel about friends. How do you feel about that, yeah, its definitely that, tom . Yeah, its definitely true for me. Got no friends at all. Ive got no friends at all. Oh, stop. Hes always surrounded by friends. One. Get the friends. This one. Lets get the news bulletin with. Tamsin ellie thank you. Here are the headunes ellie thank you. Here are the headlines at 1130. A mans been charged over an alleged plot to kidnap and murder tv presenter Holly Willoughby. Essex police says 36 year old gavin plumb has been remanded into custody , been remanded into custody, accused of soliciting to commit murder and incitement to commit rape and kidnap. The star pulled rape and kidnap. The star pulled out of hosting this morning after bosses were reportedly alerted to the possible threat. Alerted to the possible threat. Its understood shes been given round the clock security and support at sir keir starmer is celebrating what hes described as a seismic win for labour in the rutherglen and Hamilton West by election. Michael shanks won the seat with 58 of the vote, more than double that of snps katie loudon. The by election was called after a recall petition against former snp member Margaret Ferrier, who breached covid rules. Police and breached covid rules. Police and private companies are being urged to stop using facial recognition surveillance. Former brexit secretary david davis and lib dems leader sir ed davey are among a group of 65 mps and peers backing a big brother watch Campaign Calling for change. The group says its concerned about human rights, the potential for discrimination and a lack of public mandate. The home office has been accused of ignoring a legal order to immediately stop converting a former air base into an asylum camp. West Lindsey District Council served the department with a notice last month for breaching planning restriction laws, but says work is still continuing. A government continuing. A Government Spokesperson told gb news says its confident the project does meet planning requirements. Meet planning requirements. Those are the headlines. You can get more on all of those stories by visiting our website gb news. Com by visiting our website gbnews. Com. Direct bullion gb news. Com. Direct bullion sponsors gbnews. Com. Direct bullion sponsors the finance report on gb news for gold and silver investment. Investment. It. Is a investment. It. Is a quick snapshot of todays markets. The pound will buy you 1. 2206 and ,1. 1563. The price of gold is £1,492. 84 per ounce. And the ftse 100 is. At 7479 points. Direct bullion sponsors the finance report on gb news for physical investment. Physical investment. Thanks, tamsin. Now coming up, a new study shows a fifth of under 25 seconds are teetotal and fewer than half drink weekly synthetic, certainly a lot more sensible than us. Tom, we were just talking about the fact we wanted a gin and tonic. Well, not until after we finished the show, of course. No. This neat gin. Neat gin. Yeah. Well, this is britains newsroom on. News channel. Good morning. Its 1137 and news channel. Good morning. Its1137 and youre news channel. Good morning. Its 1137 and youre with britains newsroom here on gb news with Ellie Costello and me, tom hannood and lots of you have been emailing in. Weve been talking about the by election up in rutherglen and Hamilton West, a seismic win for laboun Hamilton West, a seismic win for labour, at least thats what theyre saying. Lots of getting in touch on that, lane theyre saying. Lots of getting in touch on that , lane says. In touch on that, lane says. Flip flop. Starmer is so boring he really could talk a glass eye to sleep. So sorry for showing you his speech in full. Bob says im not a labour supporter, but if the tories win the next election, theyll need a miracle. 13 years of failure and austerity. And martin says the labour party is definitely the party of change. They changed their mind on every subject almost weekly. Thats thats a very we were talking about both parties trying to trying to take on this mantle as being the party of change when you could argue that neither of them represent much, much change. But weve got of course, our news reviewers with us here, nigel nelson and dawn neesom. And the reason i bring neesom. And the reason i bring you in is that, dawn, weve got an answer to your question. Earlier, you said you said, what have we done to deserve these politicians from all parties . And nick has written in to say, i can answer dawns question in we voted for the same corrupt bunch of whatever colour time and time again for decades now. Its a fair point. But what we meant to do, i mean, as a woman, i always feel like i have to vote because, you know, cliche women died so i could vote and it wasnt that long ago that women, unless i married, were allowed to vote. So i feel like have to vote. So i feel like i have to vote. But its like , yeah, well, come but its like, yeah, well, come on, give choice. On, give us a choice. And clearly whats happened on, give us a choice. Thisi clearly whats happened on, give us a choice. This by election ts happened on, give us a choice. This by election is happened on, give us a choice. This by election is thatpened in this by election is that people have done tactical voting. Have voting. Yes, there will have been dont been lots of people who dont Like Labour Party but dont like the labour party but dont like the labour party but dont like even more and will like the snp even more and will have for that. And we see have gone for that. And we see it in other seats scotland as it in other seats in scotland as well that doing it the same. And i think youre going to see a lot. I dont if nigel see a lot. I dont know if nigel agrees, youre going agrees, but i think youre going to down in england and to see a lot down in england and wales well. Wales as well. You are. Mean, there yeah, you are. I mean, there are parts of the country are certain parts of the country an awful lot of tory mps say in the south, east, south west are really worried tactical really worried about tactical voting the lib dems because voting for the lib dems because people bring themselves people cant bring themselves to vote they dont want vote labour, but they dont want the and the dems the tories in and the lib dems may beneficiaries of that. Weve seen in seats like weve seen that in seats like arent they like like tiverton and honiton when the labour party supposedly 20 points ahead in in the National Polls in tiverton that tiverton and honiton in that by election the labour the labour party lost their deposits. Exactly. Deposits. So exactly. Deposits. So mean �. Deposits. So mean itjust deposits. So mean it just shows deposits. So mean itjust shows how so i mean it just shows how people do vote and a lot of those people will come back at the general election. So you wont expect necessarily the same yes, same kind of result. But yes, i mean, voting is a mean, tactical voting is a perfectly reasonable thing to do. Use your vote as you do. You use your vote as you want to use it. And i think want to use it. And i also think that who dont want that even people who dont want to vote, which also is a democratic they should go democratic right, they should go to station, spoil to the polling station, spoil their paper, write rude their ballot paper, write a rude remark about the candidate if thats what they choose to do, draw a picture. But whatever they at least they want to do. But at least when least there and when they at least go there and show not just sitting show theyre not just sitting at home cant bothered. Home and cant be bothered. General election, in the 2015 general election, i a section count manager in i was a section count manager in peterborough and it was it was very , very funny to see all of very, very funny to see all of the discard ballots and all the ways in which people try and register their protest, whether its drawing a rude picture, writing a rude word, looking through those ballots, was it was a highlight of the evening. I think we should have a ballot box, a an option on the form where you literally form where you do literally seriously tick of the seriously tick none of the above. Theyre all useless. It that well, you could do it that way. The great thing about way. But the great thing about the ballot is the the spoilt ballot papers is the candidates all see them. Its the only, the only entertainment they long evening. They get in a very long evening. You talk some and if you talk to some candidates, agents in terms of they try and argue you that this spoilt ballot because the rude they try and argue you that this spoilihas lot because the rude they try and argue you that this spoilihas beenecause the rude they try and argue you that this spoilihas been written he rude they try and argue you that this spoilihas been written he rudnbox word has been written in the box of candidate, thats clearly of my candidate, thats clearly a them. Um, or because a vote for them. Um, or because the picture has been drawn the rude picture has been drawn in my candidate and in the box of my candidate and they been successful in they have been successful in theres very famous one where theres a very famous one where some voter had put a big x across the whole ballot paper, just as if you might assume theyre saying that , no, i dont theyre saying that, no, i dont want to take part successfully. The agent of a candidate argued that because the cross of the x was over, one of the candidates that counted as a vote for them, they got away with that. They got away with it. But you can do i mean, at the at the local elections, my wife was for a tory was standing for as a tory candidate for re election to her council. Never voted council. So ive never voted tory life. Cant not tory in my life. I cant not vote for my wife, though. So to how get around . Do you do . Do you do . Well, the answer was so i spoilt my ballot paper, but in such a way that she would get the vote so alongside her the vote so in alongside her name in the box, i drew an intimate little picture when it came down to the spoilt ballot papers being counted , and claire papers being counted, and claire turned around and said, hey , turned around and said, hey, thats mine. Thats thats my vote. The rest of them agreed. Vote. The rest of them agreed. They were appalled about the picture i drew. They were still , but they still agreed that it was her vote. Got the vote. What did you draw . What did you draw . We are before the watershed. Before we get too far, is it appropriate for daytime television . A of breasts. A pair of breasts. A pair of breasts. God, i thought it was going to be a little love heart. Claire youre so romantic. Claire youre so romantic. Ellie. Oh, i know my problem. Ellie. Oh, i know my problem. Right. Shall have a look right. Shall we have a look at migration . This is front at migration . This is the front page of the times. This is fascinating, i think, because rishi maloney, rishi sunak and georgia maloney, whos the italian Prime Minister, they have identical rhetoric, dont they . It is. Stop the boats. And now theyre appealing to europe, really . Because it is a europe wide issue follow their lead. Issue to follow their lead. Well, lets start with you on this. Well, i think to be fair, i mean, it was quite interesting to see the picture of them sitting the wall. I mean, sitting on the wall. I mean, they like naughty they did look like naughty School Picture School Children in that picture where gossiping. Where theres no gossiping. And it lot of people it did upset a lot of people because, i mean, she very far because, i mean, she is very far right. And rishi sunak isnt evidently me. But the point of this is, as you alluded to then, ellie, this is the europe, not the eu. This is a europe wide problem. And in america as well, theyve got similar issues. But this is a europe wide problem. So the more the European Countries, and not just those in the eu, but all European Countries Work Together to tackle this problem, the better its going to be for absolutely everybody. And i do not understand how how were not doing that. Why are we not talking to one another . We need to put politics aside and Work Together because people are dying and we keep going back to theyre making a lot of money. The people smuggling people across borders and people are dying because of it. And we need to stop that. But as europe and the the numbers are the numbers, the numbers are just extraordinary. We think 500 arriving on a day on the south coast of the United Kingdom is extraordinary and ovennhelming. Well of course, our Homeland Security editor, mark white, was down in lampedusa last week seeing thousands arriving on a single day. And over the course of two days, 8000, i believe. And this will get worse. I mean, that it wont it wont get better. So it is dawn is absolutely right. The fact that everyone down talking everyone is sitting down talking about it is good. The eight point theyve drawn up is point plan theyve drawn up is mostly aspirational rather than detailed ambition. So lets see if it works. What i thought was if it works. What i thought was most significant about the thing that rishi sunak signed up for is two of the eight points are absolutely labour policy. So one of them is to have proper resettlement schemes which would stop people needing to cross the channel on boats that would come from refugee camps. The other one they talk, they talk about is substantial development in the countries where migrants come from. So they wont want to leave in the first place. Both of which labour have come up with. Now, obviously , if youre with. Now, obviously, if youre talking about substantial development , weve been cutting development, weve been cutting our overseas aid. Thats where our overseas aid. Thats where that money comes from to go there. So rishi sunak would never have gone away at Tory Party Conference by proposing that. And im not sure how people will think about migrants coming over from , say, the coming over from, say, the middle east or whatever, but at least they wouldnt have to cross the channel. Well, let us know what you make of that at home. Vaiews gbnews. Com this is a story that caught my eye this morning and its that the average brit now has less than four to friends. Its so sad. Dawn tell us a bit more. Yeah, absolutely. This is the front page of the daily star rise of billy gnome eight and were running out of friends, evidently. Ellie with social media being blamed , the social media being blamed, the average person now has fewer than four true pals. As we increasingly lose them through ghosting. Now i can honestly say ive never actually ghosted anyone in my life because im not sure what it means. Not entirely sure what it means. But being old. But thats just me being old. But thats just me being old. But have to say that my three but i have to say that my three best friends, i saw them on monday for lunch and we have been friends since we were five years old in infant school. Wow and fair few years ago and that is a fair few years ago now. No we still keep in touch and they are because weve grown up together. Weve gone through getting married, having kids , getting married, having kids, you know, doing different careers. Were all very, very different people. But because we know each other and weve known each other for so long and you know, i love my girls, im neven know, i love my girls, im never, ever to going not be friends with them. Whereas people you meet when you get older, some older, certainly in some industries you industries, how much can you trust those people . Trust those people . Well, yeah, thats true. Nigel nigel, im in the same boat as dawn that i was really interested in this story because i thought 3. 7 friends. Now how many have i got . And trying to work it out and i think that i could actually claim for me in the category were talking about here, way above average, they all back to school all go back to school days. Theyre people ive grown up with. We know that weve gone through our various marriages and children and things like that. And children and things like that. And you and children and things like that. And you have so much in common on that basis that they remain kind of friends for life. And you feel these are the few people you can actually tell anything to because they already know all your secrets anyway. Do you think thats the secret then, to have that Common Ground with people . It be ground with people . It has to be people that you share those childhood memories with, really to it lifelong, i think. To make it lifelong, i think. You can i mean, obviously you can make very good friends make very, very good friends later i mean, i mean later in life. I mean, i mean sort of like, you know, this study is by Krispy Kreme Doughnuts randomly, but how does this doughnuts . This sell doughnuts . Comfort eating well, people comfort eating their friends away. Is it . Is it . Is it . But i mean, sort of like its 3. 7 friends at the moment, but its down 27, 27 when we had 5. 1 buddy. So the figures actually havent changed that much. And there is this theory , much. And there is this theory, how many people can you actually be very Close Friends with . Because i think to be a very good friend, you have to work at that relationship as well , like that relationship as well, like any relationship. So if youve got many more than nigel showing off with his four, got many more than four, how much time can you invest in that friendship . No, its a really good point. No, its a really good point. Its so easy to sort of drift away from people as well. If youve got a very busy life, sort of people that youd like to more often than you do, to see more often than you do, but everything gets but sort of Everything Else gets in way. In the way. His excuse, by the thats his excuse, by the way. You a very big circle, you have a very big circle, dont you . You have lots and lots of friends. Introduces dont you . You have lots and lot lots friends. Introduces dont you . You have lots and lot lots of ends. Introduces dont you . You have lots and lot lots of end friendsiuces dont you . You have lots and lot lots of end friends alles dont you . You have lots and lot lots of end friends all the time. But this this is the problem, right. And its i was about to make a political analogy in the 2017 general election when theresa large theresa may had a very large lead. But it was described as as very, wide but very, very very, very wide but very, very shallow , right . Whereas you shallow, right . Whereas if you have political lead, have a deep political lead, thats a good analogy. I like narrow. I like narrow. Perhaps thats the same with friendship. If you if you know so many people, but you dont know them that well, if you know, you have a smaller net know, if you have a smaller net cast, you can cast it deeper so that you have very profound, very good. Yes, its very classic, tom, that was there. Do we have time for one . Back to theresa brought it back to theresa may. Did. Brought it back to theresa majthat did. Brought it back to theresa majthat wasi. Brought it back to theresa majthat was a bit weird, though. That was a bit weird, though. That was a bit weird, though. Yeah. Yeah yeah. Yeah should we talk about drinking and sensible . And generation sensible . Apparently fifth of under 25 is a teetotallers and fewer than half them drink weekly. I was half of them drink weekly. I was very surprised this. Very surprised by this. Well, yeah. Nigel. Well, yeah. Nigel. Well, yeah. I think that probably i mean i think that probably that times have when that times have changed. When i grew was actually grew up, it was actually fashionable to get wasted. I fashionable to get wasted. I think that things have changed for the generations since that time. So people are keener on health, that they like to be in control. They need to be in control. They need to be in control for jobs which are much more risky. And i think that that they like the idea of not sort of waking going through life pie. Id i think this control thing is something about young people at the moment. Well, hold on a minute, because theyre not drinking, but they are taking more drugs. And i that is the and i think that is the different post pandemic. 1 in 3 have used an under 25. Theyve used illegal drug in the past 12 months. And 1 in 5 use them regularly. And drug deaths among younger are soaring. Younger people are soaring. So i think this survey and they are binge drinking more than our generation as well , which is generation as well, which is also not healthy. But i think there is a switch here from abuse alcohol to maybe i would i would question whether there is an overlap between the teetotallers whove never touched a drop of alcohol and those who are using more drugs. Would imagine those who are i would imagine those who are using drugs also drink alcohol. Young and i wonder, youre a young person, tom. Do you tell i wonder. Have. Have. Andi wonder. Have. Have. And i will i have. I have. And i will happily admit this on live television. I have smoked cannabis in washington, dc , cannabis in washington, dc, where it is legal. Where it is where it is legal. Where it is legal. Oh so there we go. I legal. Oh so there we go. I didnt enjoy it. I know. Sorry. Didnt enjoy it. I know. Sorry. What i meant to say is i did inhale, unlike bill clinton, who claims that he didnt. But ive never found that. I mean , it never found that. I mean, it just slows you down. You feel so heavy. I dont really. Anyway, we shouldnt talk about we probably shouldnt talk about the drugs are the effects of drugs that are legal some in the legal in some places in the world, but not legal in the United Kingdom. But i world, but not legal in the United Kingdom. Buti did world, but not legal in the United Kingdom. But i did want to this point. Perhaps the to raise this point. Perhaps the younger are avoiding Younger Generation are avoiding getting so drunk and sort of out of kilter and not knowing what theyre doing because everyones got mobile phone on them. Got a mobile phone on them. Everyones camera on them. Everyones got a camera on them. And these moments will be around forever. And if you and these moments will be around forever. And if you and if you did something silly 20 years ago, its unlikely that your friend will have snapped it. But if you do something silly now, on a night out, because we had this very conversation on monday when was friends, when when i was with my friends, when taking selfies you taking the selfies like you do now, talking about now, and we were talking about when we were teenage teenagers going and london. Going out and about in london. So glad nobody had a im so glad nobody had a mobile phone back then because im so glad nobody had a mwouldwhone back then because im so glad nobody had a mwouldwhone been then because im so glad nobody had a mwouldwhone been embarrassing it would have been embarrassing if theyd been surfacing now. Not that did drugs. We were not that we did drugs. We were very obviously hi buti hi but i think thats actually a really good point. I think people arent people are so self aware, arent they, other people can they, of what other people can see, social media can see. See, what social media can see. And you are more and perhaps you are more reserved. Lost innocence. Reserved. Youve lost innocence. Its one of the things that ought be taught in school. Ought to be taught in school. I mean, i theyre going to mean, i know theyre going to extend curriculum. Extend the curriculum. Were doing toothbrushing instead. Nigel theres always nigel well, theres always toothbrushing nigel well, theres always too alongshing the tooth brushing lessons. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Two minutes of tooth brushing lessons, followed by how to how to drink responsibly. To drink, drink responsibly. That lessons for that one. Lessons for that one. Well, isnt alcohol , well, isnt it alcohol, mouthwash. That i mean mouthwash. Isnt that i mean they could sort of combine it right . Mouthwash is alcoholic. Yeah. Yeah bingo. Have had an interesting you have had an interesting life, me . Life, havent me . Mouthwash thing sitting there necking listerine. No , i havent done that. No, i havent done that. No, i havent done that. Yeah. Oh, goodness. Yeah. Oh, goodness. Neil and dawn has been so good to have you with us this morning. Thank you so much for talking us through the biggest stories of today. And thank you so much for your company. At home. Weve just got a few of your emails to end our show this morning. Lots of you, of course, talking about the by election, ellie, not me, but another. Ellie, not me, but another. Ellie says, as usual, the winners tremendous winners say what a tremendous result. And the losers say it was low turnout. Nothing ever changes. Hey, and of course, we have been teaching been talking about teaching children teeth. Children to brush their teeth. Claire written to say, claire has written in to say, why contributions why are my tax contributions paying why are my tax contributions paying parenting . Paying for inadequate parenting . Its the parents job, not the teachers. Yeah, paul says. I think its a good idea showing kids how to brush teeth. Im brush their teeth. Im 52. I never had a toothbrush when i was my friend works. At was young. My friend works. At pre school in dundee, the first thing they have to do when they come in in the morning is feed the children. Some of them dont even own proper clothes for the weather, are handed weather, so jackets are handed out those children. Out to those children. And i think that is the reality for lots schools. Is very lots of schools. It is very difficult. Well, no doubt there are many, many views at home, but it for but im afraid thats it for todays up at 12. Its the live desk with Mark Longhurst mark, longhurst and pip tomson. Mark, whats coming today . Whats coming up today . Minty fresh. Well, well be minty fresh. We blew the doors off. Not michael caine. Is sir keir michael caine. That is sir keir starmer his assessment of starmer and his assessment of labours he labours seismic winners. He says and says in that rutherglen and hamilton by election, but Hamilton West by election, but with. 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The live desk is next with longhurst with Mark Longhurst and pip tomson and britains is tomson and britains newsroom is back monday 930. Back on monday at 930. Hello very good morning to you. Its Aidan Mcgivern here from the met office with the gb news forecast. A fine and warm day to come the south, but cloudy come in the south, but cloudy and breezy elsewhere with outbreaks of rain in places mostly parts of mostly these central parts of southern northern mostly these central parts of southerrnorthern northern mostly these central parts of southerrNorthern England rn ireland, Northern England and north the north wales, where well see the wettest conditions. The rain heavy over the heavy and persistent over the hills. North of the hills. I think north of the central belt, therell be some brightness initial rain brightness after initial rain clears be clears away, but it will be windy and cooler with windy and much cooler here with that from the north that wind coming from the north for far of scotland, for the far north of scotland, along few showers. So 13 along with a few showers. So 13 celsius, example. But in the celsius, for example. But in the south, well, thats where the sunshine will be at its warmest with temperatures here of 20 to 23, perhaps 24 celsius. We keep some of that warmth into the evening and overnight, certainly a breezy night and a cloudy night for many. So temperatures arent going to fall far for the northern were going Northern Isles. Were going to see and strong see showers and a strong wind from the gales in exposed from the north. Gales in exposed parts. Rest parts. But for the rest of scotland actually, its increasingly with increasingly wet by dawn with some heavy rain turning up, especiallyelsewhere across some heavy rain turning up, especially elsewhere across the scotland, elsewhere across the uk, low mistiness. Uk, some low clouds mistiness. First thing this weekend, but it will lift fairly quickly and sunshine will develop widely across england and wales, the far north of england. Seeing a wet perhaps, but the rain wet start perhaps, but the rain should ease off into south the live desk with me, Mark Longhurst and me, pip tomson its here monday to friday on gb news from midday well bring you news it breaks, you the news as it breaks, whenever its happening and wherever from wherever its happening from across around the across the uk and around the world. Refreshing but across the uk and around the worlna refreshing but