i mean, what do you think of his intervention today? i think it is it's shameful, actually, and ludicrous for him to come up with such suggestions and and the other suggestions that we've heard over the past number of days, instead of getting into a room and negotiating with myself on behalf of those nursing staff that are being forced to stand on picket lines outside the hospitals when they want to be inside looking after their patients, that's very clear, given its 106 years since they've taken action like this. so he'd be best placed spending his time on a table with me, talking seriously on behalf of those nurses instead of game playing, as we've seen this morning. because on your 19% pay rise, he says that would cost the nhs £10 billion and that's the wrong thing again, it's the wrong time, he says. this is the wrong thing to do right now. he says that you can't have that sort of pay rise. what's your reaction to that?

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