it's related to turning. are they right? >> when the american troops are killed and i have a kid in the marine corps, my first thought isn't can i pin it on someone, my first thought is the family and the kid. what's horrible in this, any claim that isis has defeated is wrong. isis is not defeated. their space on the battlefield has sh ruchk and that's something that we have to keep at the front of the mind. how does it inform our decisions of the timing of things like withdrawal. >> senator, the vice president this morning very clearly said, isis has been defeated. the caliphate has crumbled and our troops are crumbling. zbli have no way of knowing what

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