17. she had a wonderful period where she died at 38 of sobriety and great success in her career. she was an actress, she did a lot of television shows, she had a lead in "fame." she did a wonderful cult movie called "tokyo pop" where she got fabulous reviews. she was a writer, a director, so forth. all of that so that it's easier, i think, it's easier when they're younger and you can get them. -- sober before -- >> how did you manage it with carrie when she was in her late teens? what was the trick, you think? >> i got her into rehab before she was going to turn 18. and it was tough love. and she hated me. she was mad and all so forth and so on -- and she went through the rehab. we went through the family thing with this particular program. and it clicked for her. it clicked. and -- >> is it harder when you've got somebody like charlie who's 50
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