school. but, hey, let's keep it, you know, still a safe environment. >> but, you know, cynthia, i guess what struck me when this story, you know, we've learned more throughout the week, i should say. but as this story was coming out, you know, and people were sort of shocked and surprised, i sort of thought, well, wait a second. we've just spent as a country having this conversation about bullying. your film was out. we've been talking about it. why should we be surprised to see it's happening in football of all places, a confrontational sport. a lot of testosterone. when we know at the lower grades we see that behavior starting and we have also learned, incognito, this is a behavior that apparently he's had -- he was bullied himself, but also he bullied others as a younger person. >> yeah. i mean, i think these are patterns that we establish early on in life. i think there are places we find in our communities and our schools where bullying is allowed to foster. it's no surprise that kids are being bullied on the bus.