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Experiment in reopening. We talked with Business Owners about the citys unique plan to get people back to work while attempting to raise Public Confidence. The unanswered question if you open it, will they come . Do you think its too early to open or too late . This is an unusual case where they got it wrong. Was she that one in a million . Unfortunately not. What have you learned . That one in four women sentenced for failure to protect receive a harsher sentence. 60 minutes examined public records and identified 14 other women in oklahoma who received harsher punishments for enabling child abuse than the man who abused the child. Im lesley stahl. Im bill whitaker. Im Sharyn Alfonsi. Im jon wertheim. Im scott pelley. Those stories, tonight, on 60 minutes. This portion of 60 minutes is sponsored by progressive insurance. Save when you bundle auto, home, or motorcycle insurance. Visit progressive. Com. Dont d. Dont you dare. I dont think so [ sighs ] its okay, big fella. 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We sought wise counsel from Sherrilyn Ifill, president of the n. A. A. C. P. Legal defense fund, an attorney Whose Organization has argued cases of Racial Injustice before the supreme court, and has worked with administrations of both parties. Sherrilyn ifill race lies at so much of the core of what is problematic in our Society Today and that, that is so easily exploitable. Because we have not had the courage in this country and particularly most white people have not had the courage to really decide that this is your job every day as a citizen is to deal with the fractures that ultimately if we dont confront them will destroy us. Io whitaker we met sherrilyn constion center in philadelphia. Its closed to the public because of the pandemic. The center sits just across the from dependen hall and just down the street from scenes of protest and violence that wracked the city of brotherly love like so many others. Seeing the life squeezed out of george floyd by officer Derek Chauvins knee on his neck for eight minutes and 46 seconds has brought to the fore, again, the ugly reality of Racial Injustice in america. Why was this incident such a spark . Ifill ive been doing this work for a very long time. And ive seen a lot of terrible videos. And this one actually struck me differently also. Whitaker what was different about it . Ifill it was long. It was long. And to see someones life being taken from them with that kind of excruciating deliberation. The officer looking out at us like that. Whitaker looks at the camera, knows hes being recorded and doesnt seem to care. Ifill thats important. Because it was believed and said by many that now that we have the videos things would be different. And so i think one of the reasons why the george floyd video set us off so much was the realization that its not different. Weve weve seen the videos. And the videos seem not to make a difference. And thats why that officer could look like that. He wasnt afraid of being videotaped. He wasnt trying to hide what he was doing. Whitaker what about the other officers . What is their complicity . Ifill the officer who killed george floyd most directly, derek chauvin, who had 18 misconduct complaints against him already nothing can be done with that officer. But when i look at the officers around him, they seem to me like more of the people who probably are police officers. Who who stand and watch, who are bystanders. And thats why the other officers are so important. Because we will hear, once again, that this is about a bad apple. A bad apple. And its not about a bad apple. Its about a system, a system of actors and those who are complicit with those actors. There are moments in this country when there are photographs that are snapshots of the soul of this country. They almost hold up a mirror to this country. And when we see this picture of the nonchalance with which america will put its knee on the neck of black people and make itself deaf to our suffering, deaf to our cries, deaf to our desperation, thats the snapshot. Thats america. Thats america that can see africanamericans suffering from disproportionately from Covid Infection and covid death, can see us subject to housing discrimination, can see us as the lowest wage workers, can see us being victims of voter suppression, can see ourn change. Still wont let the knee up one bit. Whitaker George Floyds killing reveals an america we havent seen in generations armed soldiers guard the lincoln memorial; looting across the country on rodeo drive in beverly hills, on kensington avenue in philadelphia. And like the storming of the bastille, the Third Precinct Police station, headquarters for the officers who arrested george floyd, was set ablaze. But as the smoke cleared, the images that emerged were these americans of every color, age and gender filling streets across the country in daily, massive, peaceful protests, like the one in front of the White House Monday that turned to mayhem when attorney general bill barr approved plans for federal officers and armed troops to forcefully clear the streets. On monday night after seven Straight Days of protests all over the country, President Trump said i am the law and order president. What did you make of that . Ifill it was, frankly, among the most appalling displays of power i really have ever seen. And certainly have ever seen in this country. And really constituted a moment of tremendous debasement for this democracy. Whitaker what do you mean . Ifill i mean that the president wanted to show that he was strong. He wanted to do a photo op in front of a Church Holding a bible. And he wanted to show and to demonstrate his version of strength, which is tear gassing Peaceful Protesters outside the white house. Whitaker when you say his version of strength, it sounds like you dont think that that showed strength. Ifill well, we call them strongmen because thats their goal is to appear strong. But actually there is so much more strength in the willingness to lead a true democracy. You are strong because you can hear dissent. And it is not strong to gas people and to stand in front of a building with a bible. Thats not strength, that is a performance. Whitaker the president has called the violence across the country domestic terrorism. And he has said that he will be dominating the streets. Ifill you know, more concerning to me than the president saying we have to dominate the streets was listening to that phone call and hearing our attorney general, bill barr, say, but we sttets. The attoey gener of the United States saying that on a phone call with governors. Part of the thing that has been so alarming is not mr. Trump himself but the amount of people, who have been willing to go along with things that we would have regarded as beyond the pale. And who have been willing to be part of this unraveling of our democracy. Whitaker is that what you think is going on now . Ifill i do think thats happening. What we have seen now is how fragile a democracy is. It requires work. It requires people to be vigilant. It requires people saying no to a leader whos out of control. And so i do think that that is where we are. Whitaker but even so, we have not seen protests on this scale. Certainly in a generation. Doesnt Something Like this call for an increased use of force . Ifill responding to protests that emanate from anger about the excessive use of force with an excessive use of force strikes me as not a good strategy for law and order. Whitaker has attorney general barr reached out to the Legal Defense fund . Ifill no. Whitaker at any time . Ifill no. Whitaker has anyone in this administration reached out to the Legal Defense fund . Ifill not that i can think of. Whitaker Sherrilyn Ifill is used to talking truth to powerful men and institutions. For the last seven years she has directed the Legal Defense fund, founded 80 years ago by thurgood marshall, the first black justice on the u. S. Supreme court. She and her staff of 100 fight civil rights cases all over the tting y easier. Ob is but this is 2020. Ifill this is 2020. But you know what happens when you dont deal with things that you shouldve dealt with in the past is that you keep reliving the past. We keep saying, this is 2020, how can this be happening . People are so shocked. It can be happening because we havent dealt with this. And so well constantly feel like were being thrown back in time. When you saw those men in a truck chasing Ahmaud Arbery in georgia and taking what ive been calling a hunt video, because thats what it looked like, that looked like something from another century. Whitaker ifill is a former board member of the Constitution Center in philadelphia. She told us she believes deeply in the law, and the u. S. Constitution, which she sees as an incomplete document written by 18th century revolutionary idealists, many of whom held slaves. Ifill yeah, they didnt get the job done, you know. They left this work for the rest of us to do. Whitaker to make america live up to its ideals . Ifill well, at the very least. And we should be creating new ideals. You know, the constitution doesnt have to just be that static document. Weve amended it many times. We amended it to give women the right to vote. We amended it to extend the vote to 18yearolds. We always have the possibility of improving the republic. But the people have to have the will to do it. And the consequences of not doing the work are what weve been seeing. So for anyone whose lamenting what weve been seeing over the last two weeks, ask them how much they have worked to improve this country. Whitaker this Instagram Post by lebron james reminded us that before the knee on the neck there was the knee on the ground. When professional Football Players silently protested Police Killings of black americans they were condemned by the president and the n. F. L. Friday the league conceded it was wrong. When peaceful prot cutoff, how e complaints to be heard . Ifill when we peacefully protest were called ungrateful, were called unpatriotic when, in fact, to do the work of trying to make this country better is the highest form of patriotism. The highest form of patriotism. And in fact, it is the lack of patriotism in this country, the unwillingness of too Many Americans to work to make this country better that actually accounts for the condition in which we find ourselves. Whitaker and this is where we find ourselves in just the last decade an endless stream of images of black men and women killed at the hands of Law Enforcement or armed vigilantes trayvon martin. Eric garner. Michael brown. Tamir rice. Walter scott. Freddie gray. Philando castile. Terrence crutcher. Botham jean. Ahmaud arbery. Breonna taylor. George floyd. After all you have witnessed about Race Relations i the United States, what gives you hope . Ifill well, i dont know of anything in the history of black people in this country, in which ive read some account in which gaended with, and then they thats just not what we do. I know that we work for the future of our children, and our grandchildren, and their children. Thats our obligation. We dont have any other choice. ticking cbs money watch, sponsored by lincoln financial, helping you create a secure financial future. Good evening. The Federal Reserve is expected the launch a 600 billion program for small businesses. 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Says, due to a misclassification error, the jobless rate was likely three Percentage Points higher above 16 . In the confusion of the pandemic, its estimated nearly five million furloughed americans werent counted as unemployed. Fridays report also said joblessness fell for whites and hispanics but increased slightly for black and asian americans. Its another sign of uncertainty as the u. S. Reopens with no vaccine. Many states are now suffering a surge in covid cases including california, florida and texas. We looked for hints of our future in san antonio. Americas seventh largest city. Its known as the alamo city and its preparing for a long siege. What does your business mean to you . Elizabeth johnson its like a child. Its my family. Its my dreams. Pelley and where do you find yourself today . Johnson working harder than ive ever worked in my entire life, earning a fraction of what were used to earning. And waking up in the middle of the night, trying to figure out how were gonna keep the b. Ha table. Floats, on the federal bailout that pays her employees and money from charities that pay her to feed the hungry. Johnson if we can just make it to october and november without another relapse of covid, without another stayat home order and shutdown that gives me hope. Pelley if there is a resurgence, can you beat that . Johnson i have to. Failures not an option. Pelley she has no option but to improvise. Her federal payroll protection money runs out in july. Can she open and stay open at the state mandated 50 capacity . Johnson it is a hope and a prayer that we do not have a second wave between now and then. It is a hope and a prayer that our customers are going to continue to support and frequent us. And that they arent just trying to quarantine themselves in their homes. Pelley the historic, three trillion dollar federal bailout, was far reaching but not far sighted. Paycheck protection money for many businesses, higher Unemployment Benefits and bans on foreclosures for federally backed mortgages run out this summer. In march, two days after the bailout was signed, the view from the rose garden was. Rosy. Trump we can expect that, by june 1, we will be well on our way to recovery. We think, by june 1, a lot of great things will be happening. Pelley nine weeks later,junt Congressional Budget Office estimated a full recovery will take nine years. June 1st also saw at least 16 states with rising rates of infection, including texas which had nearly 70,000 known infetions and 1,700 dead. Ron nirenberg were not ever gonna be out of the woods until there is therapy, until there is vaccine. And we have to learn to live with that. Pelley Ron Nirenberg is mayor of san antonio. Are there metrics that you look at every day, every hour to see if this is the right thing at the right time . Nirenberg there are. The ones that we look at most closely are the hospitalizations. But we also want to make sure that were not seeing a spike in the severity of cases, people that are needing i. C. U. Treatment. Pelley and the data right now are telling you what . Nirenberg we are seeing an increase in transmission as a result of new activities being introduced in the slow opening of the economy. But we are also seeing a stable rate of capacity in our hospitals. And an increase in the amount of testing that allows us to assess the breadth of this infection. Pelley hes managing the breadth of this infection with a plan san antonio developed itself, including testing, door todoor, to try to contain outbreaks before they explode. Nirenberg weve put our Public Health professionals, our medical experts, out front to give us the data, the plain truth of what this is, good, bad and ugly. Pelley texas had one of the shortest stay at home periods. In may, it opened most businesses with significant limits. The early result is a record spike in known infections, according to the Texas Department of state health services. Zanel pizarro so you want to go up here . Pelley Zanel Pizarro is reopening a licensed daycare in her home. Pizarro if one child gets sick, we have to close. So, praying that everybody stays healthy, and we can continue operating. Well just have to ensure that we are able to have enough revenue to continue operating. Pelley she has three teachers on federal payroll protection. That will last her about four more weeks. She has a mortgage deferment that ends this month. Pizarro that money that were not paying in mortgage allow us to pay for food, and to keep the lights on. Pelley you had how many children in the daycare before . Pizarro 12. Pelley how many parents are bringing their kids back . Pizarro about eight. Pelley what happened to the others . Pizarro the others decided to keep their Children Home for safety reasons. Pelley that question of Public Confidence is in the impatient eyes of every masked business. If you cleanse it, will they come . Do you think its too early to open or too late . Geronimo lopez i think its a little too early, in my personal opinion, in the sense that we have not yet seen the drop in the numbers that were supposed to see. But then again, im a chef. You know, i want to cook. Pelley Geronimo Lopez took the leap and reopened his restaurant, botika, at 50 capacity, after retraining many of the 45 employees he laid off. Pelley what are you training your employees to do . Lopez the minimum contact with the plate and with the guest that we can. People can download the menu and look at it in their phone. Contactless pay options for our guests so theres less interaction there. Pelley can you make a go of it at 50 . Lopez this is our best bet at the moment. To tell you that im confident that we can do it will be a lie. Pelley he cant be confident until humanity returns to the empty halls of the 15 billion san antonio tourism and convention industry. The city anticipates losing 40 million in hotel taxes alone and had to furlough 270 city workers. The virus turned a battlecry into a question. Remember the alamo . This was the 2018 final four at the alamodome. Today, the venue is known for images of thousands of cars lining up for food. The San Antonio Food Bank is spending about 6 million a week, much of that donated by local businesses. Nirenberg those pictures are an illustration of the level of desperation that millions of americans have had prior to this pandemic. Pelley the mayor told us the virus exposed a mirage in our former economy. Even in the good times, san antonio had the highest poverty rate among the largest metro areas, about 15 . But poverty among hispanics and blacks is double the rate for whites. The economy was strong prosperity was fragile. Nirenberg those food banks lines doubled almost overnight when this crisis began and things began to shutter and shut down. Up to about 120,000 families in a week in those lines. That means that prior to this pandemic, when we were at 3 unemployment, when we had an economy that was on a roll 60,000 families a week in san antonio were dependent on the food bank for food. And those pictures represent the desperation that far too Many American families have had to deal with. Pelley among the desperate, jackie galvan. In 2010, she was san antonios realtor of the year. Then the pandemic killed the market. Jackie galvan theres nothing going on. A lot of my clients just are at fear of the unknown. Pelley she too, had little to fall back on. Galvan i got my first unemployment check, woohoo pelley First Time Ever . Galvan First Time Ever. That was an ordeal. P ne is fhtg iction. And how far back on the rent are you now . Galvan its three months now. Pelley theres a ban on evictions from property with federally backed mortgages. But that ends nationwide in about two months. Galvans landlord doesnt have a loan. And so, he wants her out now. She endures on the extra 600 a week in unemployment but that program ends nationally next month. Galvan i thought were all in this together, like every commercial says. And it wasnt the case for me. Pelley the balledup rage after the death of george floyd in police custody, rose in san antonio too. And, as elsewhere, anger caused amnesia face masks were forgotten. Before george floyd, this was a protest in texas over the masks themselves. Reopening pitted the republican State Government which wants fewer restrictions against the mayors of dallas and austin who are democrats and Ron Nirenberg, whos independent. You received a letter from the Texas Attorney Generals Office saying that your controls in san antonio were too strict. Nirenberg mandated masks, with the penalty of a fine. He included houses of worship in his ban on gatherings of more than 10 people. They even accused you of, trampling religious freedom. Nirenberg so we have had a groundswell of support within our faith congregations that have allowed us to begin to open. The attorney generals letter was simply trying to score cheap political points, which he has been doing his entire career. Pelley the governor overruled nirenbergs mask mandate and exempted houses of worship. The Texas Attorney Generals Office told us that the cities grossly exceeded state law to impose their own will on private citizens. How did a Public Health emergency become political . Nirenberg well, unfortunately, thats the era we live. People are starting to get antsy and frustrated. There are people in political positions that are want to take advantage of that. Pelley the conflict confused Business Owners. But restaurateur Geronimo Lopez found a way to cut though. Lopez well, what we decided to do was follow the higher standard. So, thats how i think we can clear all the misinformation and just whatever is the higher standard for safety, thats the one that were gonna follow. Pelley in late may, cars lined up again, as they had for food, at the alamodome. But this time they carried a nervous hope. San antonios reopening plan gave away protective gear to five thousand small businesses. Business name . Its going to be pharm table. Pelley . Inmasks, face cov. Hand sanitizer. Pelley and you signed the pledge . Johnson i did sign the pledge, and it is now posted on my front door of my restaurant. Pelley the san antonio pledge is a commitment by businesses to masks, distancing, temperature checks, sanitizer, c. D. C. Cleaning protocols, contactless payment, and employee training. Not on the list; holding your breath, for the results of the great reopening experiment. What gives you hope . Johnson what gives me hope is our community. 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Its commonly known as failure to protect and on paper, it makes perfect sense. Any parent or guardian who knows a child is being abused and fails to protect the child can be charged with a felony and sent to prison. But in practice, oklahomas courts and prosecutors have treated women differently than men under the failure to protect law. We found more than a dozen cases in which mothers who were never found to have abused their children were given much harsher punishment than the men who did. Half of those women were victims of abuse themselves. Mabel Bassett Correctional Center is oklahomas medium security prison for women, and home to toni hall for much of the last 15 years. And how often do you get to see the kids . Toni hall its been a while. Alfonsi when we met her, she was halfway through a 30 Year Prison Sentence for failing to protect her 20month old son and three month old daughter from being abused by their father robert braxton. You never suspected that he was hurting the babies . Hall no, no. I didnt think that he wouldve had. Alfonsi so they never found any evidence that you hit the children . Unhuh. Alfonsi but that you allowed him to hit the children is what that hall thats what they say. Yeah. Thats what they say. Alfonsi but you never saw those babies get hit . Hall no, no. I wouldve took them away. We wouldve went away if iit. Ust not me. Braxas jwhen sl e wi they lived in this apartment complex in Oklahoma City where hall has stated in sworn affidavits that he physically abused her. His rage, she says, was fueled by resentment because she worked while he stayed at home with the kids. Hall he would scream at me, call me different names. He told me that if you put yourself in a mans position, then you deserve to be hit. Alfonsi he told you that you deserved to be hit . Hall uhhuh, yeah. Alfonsi after two years of abuse, shed had enough, and asked her father to take her apartment hunting one night after work in 2004. Did you have money to do this . Hall yeah, i had saved some checks and so i put them in my babys diaper bag. And i got in the truck with my dad and ended up finding a house that night. And the next morning, thats when i my youngest son, he wasnt walking and thats when i noticed about his leg being hurt. Alfonsi what did you see . Hall his leg was swollen. And so i immediately called the doctor. And alfonsi you called the doctor . Hall uhhuh. Alfonsi days later, when her one year old son didnt get better, hall brought her son to the emergency room. And so you take him to the hospital. And what happens . Hall and the lady was like, yeah. You know what whats whats going on. You know what happened to him. Thats when the nurses had told me that his leg was fractured. Alfonsi hall told them the broken leg may have been caused by roughhousing, but xrays told a different story. The little boy also had 12 broken ribs, and was put in a body cast. A medical exam of his three month old sister found similar injuries, which doctors believe were inflicted sometime in the previous two weeks. Oklahoma city police had plenty of questions for toni hall and robert braxton. Did you ever turn to robert and say, did you hurt the kids . Hall i had asked him i was like, did you do something . And he was like shut up. And i was like what . he was like, dont say nothing, shut up. Alfonsi people will say how. I was working and trying to make money so that i could leave the situation with of him abusing me. I didnt know that he did that to my kids. Alfonsi and you were trying to get out. Hall yes. I was trying to leave. Alfonsi both hall and braxton were arrested and put in county jail. He was charged with child abuse while she was charged under the states failure to protect law with enabling the abuse. In oklahoma that means you know or reasonably should have known that a child is at risk of abuse. Hall agreed to testify against her boyfriend, but she says he continued to threaten her in jail while awaiting trial. He was writing you letters . Hall yeah because i was gonna testify against him. Alfonsi and he outlined a picture of his hand. And what did he write . Hall yeah. He said, slap yourself, bitch. Alfonsi from jail he sends that to you. Hall uhhuh, yeah. Alfonsi toni hall says the abuse she suffered was not introduced in her failure to protect case because she pleaded guilty, in hope of getting a light sentence. Instead, the judge accused the young mother of being less than candid about what happened to her children. Tell me about when you were sentenced. And walk me through that day. What happened . Hall my heart just broke because i didnt understand, still dont understand. And then the next thing you know thats when i found out i got 30 years. Alfonsi and whats going through your mind when they say 30 years . Hall its over. You know, my life is over. Alfonsi as for robert braxton, he plead guilty to child abuse. The judge decided the two years hed served awaiting trial in jail was enough. He walked free, as toni hall went to prison. How can that happen . Megan lambert sexism. The belief that women are culpable for everything that goes on in the home. Alfonsi Megan Lambert is a lawyer for the American Civil Liberties union and a lifelong oklahoman. She became halls lawyer four years ago. People will look at tonis case and say, mothers know if a hair is off on the babys head. They know when somethings wrong. She should have known. Lambert you dont always. The women are not always in charge of taking care of their kids. It is sometimes difficult to recognize those patterns of abuse, especially if youre in the throes of abuse yourself. Your entire worldview is clouded. And you are truly in survival mode. Alfonsi is her case that unusual case where they got it wrong . Was she that one in a million . Lambert unfortunately not. Alfonsi what have you learned . Lambert that one in four women sentenced for failure to protect receive a harsher sentence than the actual abuser. Alfonsi 60 minutes examined public records and identified 14 other women in oklahoma whove received harsher punishments for enabling child abuse than the man who abused the child. Emily redman you cant have a cookie cutter for these cases. Theyre so different. Alfonsi emily redman was not involved in the cases we examined but she is one of the few district attorneys in oklahoma who has prosecuted failure to protect cases and was willing to talk to us about the law. The penalties range from fines up to life in prison. Do you think oklahomas got this right, the way that the law is written now . Redman i think oklahoma does have it right. I mean, to me, the most important duty that parents have, citizens have, is to take care of our children. Alfonsi you like that the law is broad. Redman i do. I have had defendants who were charged with failing to protect that got county jail time, because the case thats what it was worth. Alfonsi but how do you make sense of these cases where the abuser, whos a man, goes to prison for less time than a woman whos charged with enabling . Redman maybe one party asked for a jury trial, and the jury is incensed by what they see and hear. Maybe the other party took responsibility early on, and and admitted their guilt, and and took a plea offer. So every case is different. Alfonsi she says the case of Cheyenne Wolf is a good example. The 12yearold endured abuse for years at the hands of her stepmother, denise. Her father, abel wolf, knew about the beatings and did nothing to stop it. Redman he had become uncomfortable with the situation. Alfonsi uncomfortable . Redman and he walked outside and smoked a cigarette while this alfonsi so he left . Redman he left. Alfonsi cheyenne died hours after a beating in their home. Emily redman successfully prosecuted the stepmother on charges of abuse that resulted in five life sentences. The judge gave the girls father 100 years in prison for failure to protect. Redman this particular case, the facts were so bad, and the abuse went on so long, that the fact that that range of punishment is so broad was helpful because abel wolf deserved every second of time that he got. Alfonsi but when it comes to failure to prote, e a gender gap in oklahoma. According to the latest data provided to 60 minutes from oklahomas district attorneys, there are 41 women in prison for failure to protect. But just 16 men. Even though, government statistics show men and women abuse children at nearly the same rate. Kevin stitt whats working in the past has not got us where we want to be. Alfonsi oklahomas reublican Governor Kevin Stitt campaigned on a promise to take a hard look at the states laws and tough sentencing. With the enabling child abuse laws you can serve up to a life sentence. Thats how broad that is right now, the sentencing. Does that sound right to you . Stitt it doesnt. It sounds it sounds too long. And and thats some of the things that we want to we want to address in our state. Alfonsi oklahoma has the highest incarceration rate for women in the country. Why are women being incarcerated at such a high rate in oklahoma . I mean, its double the national average. Stitt i think its goes back to our just laws, our sentencing over time has just kind of gotten away from us. If something should be six month sentence, lets not give it six years just because we want to be tough on crime, right . Alfonsi what has the effect been, on the state, of these heavy incarceration rates . Stitt wh youave heavy rcatn it affects everything in society. You think about the the foster system. And then the statistics, if you have a parent incarcerated the likelihood that the kid is gonna be there as well just goes up astronomically. Alfonsi in november, Governor Stitt signed the biggest single day commutation in american history, releasing 527 non violent offenders. A week later, the parole board asked him to approve toni halls release. Stitt anybody in that type of situation with abuse, but especially someone who didnt commit the crime it was time to give her a second chance. Alfonsi after 15 years, toni hall finally walked out of the mabel Bassett Correctional Center and into the arms of her children, now teenagers. cheers and applause dozens of inmates lined the fence to say goodbye. Hall i love you alfonsi whats the thing youve enjoyed most about just being free . Hall man being able just to be around my children and the family, you know . Alfonsi when we caught up with toni hall, she told us she was rebuilding a relationship with her kids, and savoring the get togethers she dreamed about while in prison. She has a new job as a hair stylist and plans to speak up for abused women who the law has failed to protect. Hall some of the women that are in there, they are broken. They dont want to talk about it. So i just hope to help somebody, anybody. ticking my name is janelle hendrickson, and im an area manager here at amazon. When you walk into an amazon fulfillment center, its like walking into the Chocolate Factory and you won a golden ticket. 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