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Oldest Intelligence Alliance in the world, and for the first time, they are going public together. They wanted to speak with 60 minutes about war, terrorism, and the country that they believe is the greatest intelligence threat in history. There is no country that presents a broader, more comprehensive threat to our ideas, our innovation, our economic security, and ultimately, our National Security. For more than five years, american businessman emad shargi was a prisoner of the Islamic Republic of iran. Last month, shargi and four other americans were freed in a deal that has drawn fierce criticism because of irans strident support of hamas. Tonight, shargi tells his story for the first time. I learned a lot about myself, about humanity, about what is important in life. Being thrown in a cell, its the closest you come to death. In order for pink to do this and this okay. Tighten up your stomach. She showed us she does this. Now sing. 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Theyre known as the five eyes, and they have never appeared in an interview together. Theyre doing it now because theyre alarmed by china, which they say is the greatest espionage threat democracy has ever faced. But given the war, well begin with fbi director wray on the threat of terror at home. We have seen an increase in reported threats, but vigilance is heightened right now just because of the fluid and volatile environment in the middle east and the ways in which that could spin out in the u. S. Reporter by the time we had gathered for our interview, it had already spun out in the United States. In illinois, a 6yearold palestinian american boy was stabbed to death by a man enraged by the attack on israel. How do you stop that kind of thing . The key that weve found in stopping it more and more is trying to have the right eyes and ears out in the community. And so what we need to have are people in the community. When they see something starting to go awry, calling law enforcement. And the attacks that weve been able to prevent over the years have almost always included somebody whos made that phone call. And the attacks that havent been prevented have almost always had somebody who had that information, but for one reason or another didnt make that phone call. Reporter about 30 americans were killed in the hamas attack. Two american hostages were released friday, which left 10 still missing. Sources tell us its unclear how many of them may be hostages. Israel leads the hostage effort. The fbi is prepared to help. Were going to work closely with our partners, our israeli partners, our u. S. Embassy partners, the whole u. S. Government to do whatever we can to ensure that those hostages come out safe. But make no mistake, this is a dngerous time. Reporter we met chris wray with his fellow intelligence chiefs of the socalled five eyes. From the left, mike burgess of australia. David vigneault of canada, ken mccallum of the United Kingdom, and at the far right, Andrew Hampton of new zealand. The five Eyes Alliance was formed after world war ii to gather intelligence. But this was their first public appearance ever, and they did it in palo alto, california, Silicon Valley, to make this point. The Technology Secrets that are about to change the world in artificial intelligence, biology, and computing are falling into the wrong hands, stolen in a global Espionage Campaign by china. The peoples republic of china represents the defining threat of this generation and this era. There is no country that presents a broader, more comprehensive threat to our ideas, our innovation, our economic security, and ultimately our National Security. We have seen efforts by the Chinese Government, directly or indirectly, trying to steal intellectual property, trade secrets, personal data, all across the country. Were talking everything from fortune 100 companies all to smaller startups. Were talking about agriculture, biotech, health care, robotics, aviation, Academic Research. We probably have somewhere in the order of 2,000 active investigations that are just related to the Chinese Governments effort to steal information. But all countries spy. Reporter mike burgess of australia. Yes, absolutely, all countries spy. Our countries spy. All governments have a need to be covertly informed. All countries seek strategic advantage. But the behavior were talking about here goes well beyond traditional espionage. The scale of the theft is unprecedented in human history, and thats why were calling it out. Reporter they were calling it out this past week in private meetings with 15 top Silicon Valley executives and stanford university. This is not just about government secrets or military secrets. Its not even just about critical infrastructure. Its about Academic Research in our universities. Its about promising startup companies. People, in short, who probably dont think National Security is about them. Reporter ken mccallum is director general of mi5, the uks fbi. So we see the theft happening in a range of ways. One is that we see employees within those companies being manipulated. Often in the first instance, they are not aware of what is happening. We have seen, for example, the use of professional networking sites to reach out in sort of masked, disguised ways to people in the uk either who have security clearance or who are working in interesting areas of technology. Weve now seen over 20,000 examples of that kind of disguised approach to people in the uk who have information that th Chinese State wishes to get its hands on. You have the biggest Hacking Program in the world by far, bigger than every other major nation combined. Stolen more of our personal and corporate data than every nation, big or small, combined. Are you saying that it is a threat to the way of life of democracies . It is a threat to our way of life in a number of ways. The first is that when people talk about stealing innovation or intellectual property, thats not just a wall street problem. Thats a main street problem. That means american jobs, american families, american livelihoods, and the same thing for every one of our five countries directly impacted by that theft. Its not some abstract concept. It has flesh and blood Kitchen Table consequences. Reporter heres one example. When china stole the Technology Secrets of one american wind turbine company, the company lost its competitive advantage, sales collapsed, and it laid off nearly 700 workers. When you encounter a company that isnt sure that it wants to cooperate with you, what do you tell them . I would say that if you are operating at the cutting edge of tech in this decade, you may not be interested in geopolitics, but geopolitics is interested in you. And you would be reckless, not just with my secrets, but with your own companys viability, with your shareholders capital if you didnt think about what that means. We all came into these meetings with the mindset of we want to figure out how we can better help protect you, your innovation, your intellectual property. They all came into the conversations with ideas of ways they can help us help them. Reporter the intelligence chiefs told us Chinese Companies are overseen by the communist party, and for many, espionage is a sideline on behalf of the prc, the peoples republic of china. Is the Chinese Government Building Industrial sites in your countries that are actually covers for espionage operations . Reporter David Vigneault of canada. We have seen in the past acquisition of land, acquisition of Different Companies where you when you start to dig a little bit further, you realize that its there is another intent. And we have seen and blocked attempts by the prc to acquire locations near sensitive, strategic assets of the country where we knew that the ultimate purpose was for spying operations. And director wray, have you seen that in the United States . Weve seen a variety of efforts by chinese businesses, in some cases stateowned enterprises, in some cases ostensibly private companies, attempting to acquire, businesses, land, infrastructure, what have you, in the United States in a way that presents National Security concerns. Reporter including investigations recently of Chinese Companies purchasing land and building plants near u. S. Military bases. We welcome business with china, visitors from china, academi exchange. What we dont welcome is cheating and theft and repression. Reporter political repression is another target of the five eyes. They told us theyre fighting chinas meddling in elections and violence aimed at silencing chinese dissidents living in their countries. We had a case that we that was indicted not that long ago where there was an actual congressional candidate who was very critical of the Chinese Government. The efforts were initially to try to see if they could come up with dirt on the candidate to derail his candidacy, then to try to concoct dirt, just fiction about the candidate. And then if that didnt work, there was even discussion about the candidate befalling a horrible accident. Reporter that candidate was yang xiong, a chinese american who served in the u. S. Military and protested chinas crackdown on hong kong. Last year he lost the democratic nomination in a new york congressional race. In court filings, prosecutors say a chinese agent hired an American Private investigator to discredit yang and left the investigator a voice mail saying violence would be fine. Beat him until he cannot run for election. Is that the threat of violence in the United States that we face from the Chinese Government . We have seen over and over again efforts to really stop at almost nothing to intimidate people who would have the audacity here in the United States, where we have freedom of speech, to express criticism of the regime. While we have the allies around the same table, let me ask this question. The catastrophe in the middle east, russias invasion of ukraine, chinese espionage on a scale thats never been seen before are all of you stretched too thin . I think one of the strengths of the five Eyes Partnership is that we share some really fundamental values as countries and as agencies. Reporter Andrew Hampton of new zealand. Part of how you respond to that is by working together as likeminded countries. Part of how you respond to it is partnering across our own countries, as weve talked about, with community groups, with the private sector. Theyre our biggest strengths. Reporter for its part, china said this about the five eyes point of view. We firmly oppose the groundless allegations and smears toward china. Mi5s ken mccallum told us never in his nearly 30 years in intelligence has the threat been so complex. Iran, russia, terrorism. But it was china that was the first to get the five eyes around this table and before the eyes of the public. I mean, essentially what you have with the Chinese Government is the autocracy and repressive regime of, you know, east germany combined with the cuttingedge technology of Silicon Valley. And the combination represents a daunting first of its kind threat for the United States and for our allies. You seem to be saying that the Chinese Government is running a criminal enterprise. Well, i would say the Chinese Government, if they want to be a great nation, its time for them to start acting like one. And that includes abiding by its own commitments not to steal innovation. That includes not exporting repression to other countries. 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He spent much of that time in the countrys most notorious prison in a dreaded ward run by irans revolutionary guard. Last month, shargi and four other americans were freed in a complicated deal involving 6 billion in restricted iranian oil revenue. The deal drew criticism at the time for granting Financial Relief to a regime the u. S. Government considers the Worlds Largest state sponsor of terrorism. It drew even more scrutiny after hamas, which is financially supported by iran, attacked israel two weeks ago. With more than 200 hostages remaining in gaza, including some americans, shargis ordeal is a stark illustration of the difficulties and perils involved in bringing american citizens home. This story should have never happened. But i didnt waste 5 1 2 years, margaret. I learned a lot about myself, about humanity, about what is important in life. Being thrown in a cell, its the closest you come to death. Reporter emad shargi is a dual citizen of the u. S. And iran. He left iran at age 13, before the 1979 islamic revolution. In the u. S. , he went to college, met his wife bahareh, and started a business representing u. S. Chemical companies in the middle east, and later worked for a private equity firm in abu dhabi. By 2016, with their daughters off to college, imad and bahareh, who is also iranian american, decided to travel to iran and rediscover their roots. Iran had just agreed to landmark deal to limit its Nuclear Development in exchange for sanctions relief, which made shargi think the country was full of opportunity. His father thought otherwise. He said to me, emad, you dont know this country. People like you with dual nationalities, they pick these people up once in a while for whatever use they have for them. And i said, dad, give me a break, you know. Ive never been in the u. S. Government, nothing. And i guess if anybody asks me, in one sentence, what have you learned from this experience . I would say listen to your dad. Reporter the couple, both in their 50s, began spending time in iran. Shargi found work consulting for an amsterdambased Company Investing in iranian businesses. Was there anything that suggested to you that you were a target, that there was going to be a problem . You know, i thought i have a better chance of getting hit crossing the road by a motor bike when i was there. I did not see this coming. Reporter just past midnight on april 23rd, 2018, about 15 armed agents showed up at the family house in tehran. Gentleman walked in. He said, this is an arrest warrant for you and for your wife. On what grounds . He wouldnt tell me at the time. Around 2 30 in the morning, they we are taking you. And my wife said, no, you cant take him, and they told her to sit down and mind her business, that theyll get to her later. What did that mean . I didnt know at the time. So when they took me out of that house, i did not know what was going to happen to my wife. Thats terrifying. Yep. Its not a position you want to be in. Reporter he was taken to a place in tehran iranians have long feared, evin prison, to a special ward known as 2a run by the Intelligence Division of the Islamic Revolutionary guard corps. They took me to a room. They told me to strip naked. They gave me some blue garbs. They told me, this is the end of the line for you, and most likely youll never see the outside world. From now on, nobody will address you by your name. You are a code now. 97010 was my code. Thats dehumanizing. Theyre experts at that. And then hell starts. Torture . Threats of torture and psychological torture. They take you to a very small room, and then they throw a giant of a human being in there who proceeds to hit you, to push you around, to threaten to kill you. And then the good cop comes in and he says, look, i can put a stop to this. You just need to confess. Confess to what . They said, you have to confess that you are a spy, which is ludicrous. Reporter shargi says his interrogators threatened him with electrical shocks, waterboarding, and hanging, but never followed through. So i realized they dont want to damage their product at that point. Product . Correct. Why do you choose that word . Because thats what i was. You believe you were taken simply because you were american to extract a price . Correct. Reporter he told us some interrogations went on for nine hours a day. What did you tell them during all those hours of questioning . I mean, the most mundane things. The first day they kept asking me, why did you go to the White House Church . And im just thinking to myself, going, i know the white house doesnt have a church. And then it clicked. They had hacked my facebook. They had seen the pictures of us attending my daughters events at school at the National Cathedral. They had no idea the National Cathedral has nothing to do with the white house. This is an intelligence service. You would be surprised. They had my telephone, so they had gone through the list of every person id ever met during the last 30 years of my business career. Who are these . Who are those . The questions would go on day after day. Reporter in december 2018, after eight months of interrogation, emad shargi was suddenly released on bail. His wife bahareh, whod never been arrested, was able to leave the country. Emad expected to join her soon. He says he received a letter of exoneration, but he wasnt allowed to leave iran. Now my story takes a bizarre turn. My file had been sent to the revolutionary court. Its where a gentleman by the name of judge salvati sits, also known as the hanging judge. Reporter in november 2020, the hanging judge sentenced shargi to ten years in prison under a broadly worded statute which prohibits cooperating by any means with foreign states against iran. Before shargi had to report back to prison, a friend came up with a plan. To escape . To escape. And i said lets go. Reporter smugglers helped him make his way to irans mountainous border with kurdistan. But about 30 miles from freedom i look up, and there is about 15 guys with ak47 pointing at the car. They threw me on the ground, and their team leader came. He opened the scarf they had put around my eyes, and he looked away, and he shook his head to his team members. They were looking for somebody else . They were looking for somebody, but now we have round two of incarceration. Reporter this iranian propaganda photo taken in january 2021 shows him bearded and shackled, being escorted back to ward 2a, where he says he underwent another eight months of interrogation. The second eight months, i was interrogated close to 400 hours. How do you stay sane . All of those times, there was never a doubt in my mind that my government would get me out. That was my hope. Reporter back in washington, bahareh and her daughters campaigned for emads release and sought help from the state department, which reviewed shargis case and determined he was wrongfully detained. The Biden Administration had been trying to broker both the release of american detainees and the renewal of the iran nuclear deal, which the Trump Administration had pulled out of. But the talks stalled. In the fall of 2022, widespread protests broke out following the death of a young woman in the custody of irans morality police. In evin prison, the inmates rioted and set fires. The guards responded with tear gas and bullets. It was happening a couple of yards from where i was sitting in my room. Now if i left, i could be shot. If i stayed, i could suffocate. Reporter with no good option, he stayed in his cell. Shargi says he was rescued, ironically by his tormenters, a team of revolutionary guards. They were pale white when they saw me. They were like emad, lets get the hell out of here. Because youre worth more alive than you are dead . Correct. Reporter shortly after the fire, emads sister neda sought a meeting with irans top diplomat at the united nations, amir saeid iravani. She wanted to learn what was holding up a prisoner deal. He acknowledged to you that there are people inside his own government that didnt want the deal to happen. Yeah. I mean, he acknowledged that, just as there are people in our government who didnt want this to happen. You know, were dealing with innocent human lives, and we want to rectify the situation. But for other people, its politics and its power, and they get in the way. Reporter arranging a meeting with President Biden proved more difficult for neda. Determined to help her brother, she went to this crowded white house reception for the persian new year and managed to buttonhole the president after he spoke. I told him there are american citizens who are innocent and need to come home as soon as possible because time is not on our side. Reporter after roughly two years of startandstop negotiations, the u. S. And iran reached a complex agreement. 6 billion that iran had earned from selling its oil had been tied up in a foreign account for years due to u. S. Sanctions. According to u. S. Officials, iran can use the money to buy humanitarian goods like food and medicine once the u. S. Approves the transactions. The money goes to the suppliers, not the government of iran. On september 18th, President Biden granted clemency to five iranians accused of nonviolent crimes. Five americans, including emad shargi, were released and flown to qatar. From there, they flew to a military base in virginia where their families were waiting. Were home i hadnt seen my daughters for 5 1 2, 6 years. I had missed all their graduations, birthdays, anniversaries with my wife. Its like being born again. We had thought we were going to be freed so many times, and this was it. Reporter since his release, emad is making up for lost time with his family. Hes also had time to reflect. You think to yourself, what was this all about . Why did they do this to me and to my family . For five years. And the short answer is hostagetaking as statecraft. If you are an american . Yes. An iranian american. No. Iranian america, italian american, american, do not go to iran. Reporter less than three weeks after shargis release, hamas, which is financially backed by iran, attacked israel. As israel counterattacked in gaza, some u. S. Lawmakers have called for blocking irans access to the 6 billion. The white house insists no money has been released so far, and sources told us the arrangement has not changed. When you watch the news right now and you see what has happened in israel, not just about the People Killed but the hostages that have been taken, what is that like for you . 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And if im a person thats desperate for connection, then why would mystery be interesting to me . I want to know you. I want you to know me. Reporter start by coming to one of her concerts. We were there for her homecoming shows in philadelphia last month, one stop on a yearandahalf long tour. Hello, Beautiful People reporter she has already set attendance records in stadiums around the world. Close your eyes reporter and sold more than 350 million in tickets. Reporter a pink concert is part rock rager just like fire reporter part broadway spectacle im never gonna not dance again reporter with some tinker bell sprinkled in. So what, im still a rock star reporter she belts out her hits while flipping and flying 100 feet in the air, and she does it without lip syncing. And now that were done reporter when she says she actually sings better upside down, believe her. So raise your glass if you are wrong in all the right ways reporter now 44, when she looks out into the crowd, she sees a lot more moms and dads. She calls herself and her fans the uncool kids and takes great pleasure in taking on their haters, whether in her shows or on social media, her message is dont mess with them or me. Oh hot damn this image that youve created, youve got this famous snarl. Yeah. I wonder if when that started, the message was this is a woman that you dont want to mess with. Well, this is a woman you dont want to mess with is a true statement. I know what certain people think of when they look at me, down to the fact that im muscular, im outspoken, and i have short hair. Im possibly a dude, definitely a lesbian. People sort of put you in a box no matter what you look like. And my box happens to be if youre outspoken and you dont sort of bend to societal norms, then youre scary and dangerous. And the reality is . The reality is im the goofiest, most funloving person that will possibly kick your ass if i have to. Come on, children. Reporter these days life is less get the Party Started and more get these kids to bode. Her 6yearold son jameson push, push reporter and 12yearold daughter willow are often on tour with her, riding their scooters onstage during sound checks. For the hometown show in philly, pinks husband, motocross star carey hart, was there, and so was her mom judy. This is our tour library. Reporter backstage, there is a library where the team swaps books. Pink has a romantic novel she needs to return. We have a little signin sheet. You actually have a signin sheet. I wish we had the checkin thing, but we dont have that. Ive been backstage for other artists. And some of the things ive seen are a lot of booze, a lot of party. Cool. My dressing room used to be like whiskey and cigarettes. Then it was ball pits and stuffed animals. Reporter when shes not on the road, shes home in southern california. This is where she is alecia moore, a mohawkwearing mom who bakes sourdough and is part of the pta. Shes either driving for school dropoff or driving a forklift on her 25acre vineyard. She says she schooled herself on the science of winemaking by studying late into the night after her shows. So do i have this correct . You dont make pink rose . I do not make pink rose. My grenache looks like a white wine. Occasionally its a bit peach. Do you drink it . I drink a lot. Well, Biggie Smalls once said never get high on your own supply. He sure did yes, i do. I drink a lot of wine. Reporter home is also where she makes music. This is my music room. Its really great. Reporter shes a writer on most of her songs, and says no topic is off limits, not even the ups and downs in her marriage. And you taught yourself to play on this . Sort of kind of. I can play halves of songs. One of my favorite songs is make you feel my love. And i played this every day during covid. Reporter this is a bob dylan song made most recently famous by adele. Its one of my favorite songs. When the rain is blowing in your face, and the whole world is on your case i could offer you a warm embrace to make you feel my love so i played that every day. Wow, wow. Until i was good enough to go onstage and play an instrument. Reporter she grew up singing opera and gospel in doylestown, pennsylvania. But she says tension at home made her desperate to leave. She calls her relationship with her father, jim moore, complicated. He served in vietnam and passed away two years ago. As a teen, arguments with her mother were so bad, pink says one fight got physical and her mom fell downstairs. She now calls that her one regret in life. You said you were the kid that other moms didnt want their kids to play with. Why . I was a punk. I had a mouth. I had a chip on my shoulder. Basically, i grew up in a house where every day my parents were screaming at each other, throwing things, hated each other. And then i got into drugs. I was selling drugs. And then i was kicked out of the house, i dropped out of high school. I was off the rails. What happened on thanksgiving in 1995 . Thanksgiving of 1995, i was at a rave, and i overdosed. I was on oh, boy ecstasy, angel dust, crystal, all kinds of things. And then i was out, done. Too much. You almost died . Yeah. Reporter she says that was the end of hard drugs for her, and weeks later, got her first record deal as the lead singer in an r b girl group. But they didnt last long. So when youre starting out, the industry sort of seems like theyve got you going down a path. They paint you with an r b brush. Yes. I signed to laface records. We were the token white girls on a black label. I was told to take etiquette classes very early on. They wanted me to learn how to wear dresses and use the right fork. How did that work out . I went once, but it didnt work. What did they not like . I think they were trying to turn me into something i didnt want to be. Image is everything in this business. Reporter using her teen age nickname, pink, she went solo. And her first album was an r b double platinum success. She then broadened her sound to include rock and pop. Get the Party Started on a saturday night reporter and not so subtly named her next album missundaztood. Im coming up so you better get this Party Started reporter it was a career defining hit, selling 15 million copies around the world. I can run just as fast as i can, to the middle of nowhere, to the middle of my you said in the past it felt like you were never winning the popularity contest among your peers. What do you mean by that . Weve sold 3 million tickets in the last six months, but you dont really hear about it unless you went. So at the end of the day, do i give a [ bleep ] who talks about me . As long as the mom and the daughter or the dad whos in the pink tshirt as well as his daughter and her Three Friends had a fantastic time, or the gay couple that came together and felt super safe at my show because no one heckled them, thats what really matters. Reporter and then there is this. Hold my hand, hold your breath reporter we wanted to know how she does it, singing upside down as an asthmatic no less. Well, it took a lot of childhood gymnastics classes and tortured aerial sessions with her aerialist coach, dreya weber. Okay. Now sing. Where there is fire, there is gonna be a flame. Come on, come on where there is a flame, someones bound to get burned but just because it burns doesnt mean youre gonna die you gotta get [ laughter ] im not just a singer, im a gymnast. I can do all kinds of things. Im physical. This body, the muscles that scare people, its my power. Right . Its like i dont eat well to look good. I eat well to go far, fast and hard. Reporter at 53, she is all muscle and, make no mistake, as tough as she looks. What about all the plans i realize that the machete that ive always carried, this metaphorical machete ive always carried that made me a really difficult kid, is what makes me really good at what i do today. And it makes me a survivor. Do you feel that you needed that hard edge, that machete to climb as far as youve climbed in this business . Absolutely, absolutely. I never got a record deal because i was cute. I got a record deal because i was fiery, i had a lot to say, and i had a voice. So im relieved i dont have to fall back on sort of conventional beauty and that doesnt have to be my thing. And i dont have to keep that up, either, as i age. I dont have to be that. I can be all of this. Reporter she wont need a plan b anytime soon. But as she told us at midnight over a glass of wine in her dressing room in philadelphia, she is planning the next chapter. I got my rock boots reporter its what any selfrespecting acrobatic sequinloving entertainer would do, a las vegas residency. I would like to have the best show that vegas has ever seen, and i think that i can. For a performer like me to have a stage that doesnt have to travel, oh my god you can do so much. So all these years in, whats the hardest part about your job now . I guess that i keep demanding more and more and more and more from myself physically, emotionally, spiritually, vocally. I want to raise the bar all the time, and im sort of going against time, right . How do you keep on doing that . I like going against societal norms. When they say a woman has to slow down, become smaller, take up less space, calm down no, absolutely not. Why . Who says . Why cant we ride until the wheels fall off . Thats what i plan on doing. Go backstage with pink after a concert. Come on, get in. At 60minutesovertime. Com. Pe , but i manage it well. 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Yes your ucard is all you need. impressed huh thats easy the allinone ucard, only from unitedhealthcare. If you ask most americans to point out the isle of man on a globe, it might take them a while. The 30milelong island sits in the middle of the irish sea with england to the east and ireland to the west. It once was the seat of a viking kingdom. Today, Britains King Charles is head of state or lord of man. People born there are known as manx, and the isle has its own unique language and a tailless cat also called manx. Afew hundred years ago, it was known as a haven for smugglers. The buccaneers are gone. Bankers have now turned the isle into a tax haven. But what drew us to the isle of man was not the beauty or the banking, but a hairraising annual event that at first glance seems totally out of place on this tiny jewel of an island. Reporter with Emerald Fields and rugged coastlines dotted with ruins of medieval castles, the pace of life on the isle of man is slow, even sleepy, for 50 weeks of the year. But for two weeks starting at the end of may, it becomes one of the loudest, fastest, most dangerous places in sport. Its like nothing else. No matter what youve done in your life, until you see a bike do what were doing here, nothing compares at all. Reporter british motorcycle racer Peter Hickman is one of the best in the world and a 13time winner of a race known as the isle of man tt, short for both tourist trophy and time trial. Not long before we met hickman, we watched him fly over the first jump on the course at a place known as agos leap. We saw you go by agos leap today, and truly it was a blur. It was like a speeding bullet. How fast do you think you were going when you went by there . Around 185 to 195 miles an hour. Somewhere around there. Its top gear. Reporter besides the blinding speeds, what truly makes the isle of man tt unique is that it is run on public roads that are open to normal traffic until just 30 minutes before racing begins on a 37mile course that covers much of the island. Running through villages and pastures, with riders taking more than 200 turns just inches from rock walls and buildings and residents. You literally race through a village, and it just feels like you shouldnt be doing it, but were allowed. On the isle of man. On the isle of man. Reporter theres more to say about the tt, much more. But first, what is it about this tranquil isle that produces such a wild and improbable race . The people on the island like to do things their own way. Reporter Catriona Mackie moved here from scotland 15 years ago, and now teaches University Students the history of the isle of man. She told us over the centuries, the blood and cultures of english, irish, and viking clashed and mixed here to create the unique manx identity. The manx see themselves as were not english, were not irish, we are manx. From what youre telling me, the isle of man seems to always be finding its own path. That streak seems to define it. Yeah, it still has that streak of independence, and a lot of it does come from its norse heritage. Reporter the norse, vikings, sailed south from scandinavia more than a thousand years ago in search of places to conquer. In 1079, norse gaelic ruler called Godred Crovan invaded the isle of man for the third time. Third time lucky for him thinking was the seat of the no, sir kingdom for a while . For a while, yeah, thats right. Reporter contrary to their reputation, the vikings didnt just plunder and move on. On the isle of man, they established a sort of parliament called the tynwald that still makes the laws here. It is the longest continuous Running Parliament in the world, and it is an important part of the manx identity. Reporter another important aspect of identity is the manx language, which natives have been speaking and singing for nearly 1,500 years. Reporter Ruth Keggin Gell works at a Cultural Organization dedicated to preserving and popularizing the manx language. Oh, my god. That was beautiful. Thank you. Why does it matter to save the language . My ancestors spoke manx. For me, its a nice way of feeling like im connected. I think if we were to lose manx, wed be so much the poorer for it. Lets try and do that all together. Reporter manx nearly was lost. By the 1950s, after more and more English Speakers visited or settled on the isle, there were fewer than 200 manx speakers left when a concerted effort began to revive the language. And im going teach you how to say jamis. The rebirth of the language has been described as sort of like a phoenixlike story. I that true . Definitely. Its a strong, resilient language, and i think theres more and more pride all the time with people embracing manx and seeing it as a really, really good thing. But it just like that, the Phoenix Rising out of the ashes. It didnt die. It got perilously close. Okay, ready . Reporter today Ruth Keggin Gell teaches adult manx classes at a local pub. And this means knowledge. Reporter while just a few hundred yards down the road 4 and 5yearolds are learning to count in a manx language immersion school. Its really exciting seeing people going from having one or two words in their very first lesson, you know, youre starting to introduce yourself, mish ruth. Quoi uss, and you would say back . Mish bill. Well done. Thats good. Reporter manx is spoken when the tynwald, the isle of mans parliament, meets in ceremonial session. For century, the tynwald has charted the isles unique path. It was the First Legislature in the world to grant women the vote. It especially asserts manx independence in matters of taxation. England in the mid17th century has raised its customs duties. The isle of man didnt. So you have tobacco and tea and brandy and rum coming from europe and elsewhere into the isle of man that were then taken from the island in small boats and smuggled into england or scotland. The smuggling was known as running . The running trade, or the trade. Yes, absolutely. And that was very lucrative . Very, very lucrative, yeah. It was at this point that the British Government decided, okay, we really need to do something about this. Enough is enough. Reporter the british effectively took control of the isle of man, and to this day, the british monarch is head of state and has the right to veto any manx law. In practice, that power is almost never used, and the isle of man fiercely guards its independence. We have our own tax laws, and the island is very proud of that. In a way, what was going on in the 17th and 18th century, the trade was this place was kind of a tax haven back then. In some respects, i guess you could call it that. And it is again today . It is again today. Most companies dont pay any Corporation Tax at all. Zero . Zero. Their level income tax is much lower than it is elsewhere. So we have a top ray income tax of 20 . We have a lot of People Living on the island who are very, very wealthy who pay relatively little tax on the island than they would elsewhere. Reporter the isles total population is a little more than 80,000, but many of the worlds biggest banks have a branch here. The owners of more than a thousand private jets avoid millions of dollars in taxes by registering them on the isle of man. Just as it has tried to make its tax laws attractive, the isle of man has worked long and hard to attract tourists. By the 1880s, 1890s, a weeks holiday by the sea had become a british institution, really. And by 1913, just before the first world war, we were seeing 600,000, 650,000 people visiting the island every summer. Huge, huge, huge numbers of visitors. Reporter among those visitors around the turn of the 20th sent were a few wealthy people who brought with them newfangled machines called motor cars. The speech were doing is quite phenomenal. Reporter according to matthew richardson, curator at the Manx National heritage museum, these were the Founding Fathers of the race now known as the isle of man tt. The tt began actually as a car race. Thats where we get the name tourist trophy from, because it began as a race for touring cars. There was no opportunity to race cars in the United Kingdom at this time because parliament there had banned road closures for racing. And you guys said yeah, sure, well close our roads down . Well, partly. 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A manxman through and through is how he puts it. In 1997, he got his wish to race in the tt, and five years later, he won it. So what is it like as a manxman to win the tt . Well, its only ever been three of us that have ever done it in the 118 years or whatever. I think its a bit like when you go to do your washing on your trousers, and you stick your washing in, ill just check the possibilities before. You reach in there, and youll find 10 pound. Oh, yeah, ive got 10 pound richer. If you can multiply that by a million, thats what its like to win the tt. Its just like woohoo reporter the actual prize money is minuscule compared to other professional sports. The winner of this years top class tt race won just over 30,000. There are five classes in all, dictated by the power of the motorcycle and the number of laps. Riders are constantly braking, shifting, and twisting the throttle thousands of times every lap. Then there is the sidecar race, threewheeled contraptions that scream around the course with a driver and a passenger whose job is to throw their weight around every curve, just inches off the ground. You need only to look at old photos to see how the race has changed. Early sidecar outfits looked like what you might see on the street. Today, they resemble angry mutant bobsleds. The first motorcycles were basically bicycles with engines strapped on. Todays bikes are bullies ridden by some of the top pro racers in the world. Im trying to beat the clock, not the person in front of me effectively. Reporter milky quayle gave us a taste of what its like to ride the course with a bike mounted on a simulator. This is incredible reporter and an actual lap playing on a screen in front of him. Over to the left and then over to the right. It takes so much physical effort to get the thing to turn through there. This is sulby strait, one of the feastest points on the circuit. Everything is a blur going by you. 190, 195. This is nuts, you know that. Reporter he knows a lot of people wont get his definition of fun. Now, the last time you raced as a rider was, what, 20 years ago . 20 years ago, yeah, yeah. It nearly killed you, didnt it . Yeah, yeah. Oh yeah, it did. What happened . I made one little mistake. What was your mistake . I entered the corner too early and hit the rock face, just snagged it and pulled to the right and hit the one to the left. Thats the flip side of the coin, isnt it . When it goes bad, it can hurt you. Reporter the crash in 2003 ruptured his spleen and punctured both of his lungs, among other injuries. I remember i was lying in the hospital bed and a journalist came in to see me, wanted an interview and stuff. He was trying to put words in me mouth. You must hate it. Its dangerous, you must want to get it stopped. I was like, you are . Why would i want to stop it . Its the best thing in the world anyone would ever want to do . Why would i want to stop it because it hurt me . The only way to make it safe is to not do it. If were going to race sports bikes through towns and villages on public roads, the danger is going to be there. Reporter Paul Phillips is the man who has been in overall charge of the isle of man tt for the last 15 years. Some people in our audience who are not really familiar with the race would be surprised at the casualty statistics, 250 casualties over the years. Six just last year. You know thats got some people sort of howling that this race is too dangerous. It shouldnt be. I totally understand that. And, you know, this event really does embody the sort of human spirit. Nobody is forced to come and do this. And this event does kind of give you and me the opportunity to push their boundaries and live their lives to the absolute limit. Like the ultimate expression of free will . Yeah. Yeah. Even if that free will can get you killed . So it seems, yeah. To be honest, as a rider, you dont really think about it. Takes his third tt. Reporter Peter Hickman has won 13 tt races, including this years marquee race, the senior tt. 225 miles over six grueling laps. As a rider, we have already accepted if someone is here and riding and signed on, we have already accepted what that consequence is if we make a mistake. Yeah, the course is all good on the way to ramsey. Reporter organizers of the tt have taken steps to minimize risk where they can. Riders are sent off the start line at 10second intervals to make space between them. But passes with not an inch to spare still happen. Perhaps the most significant change has been to strictly limit the number of racers to just over 30 sidecar teams and 100 solo riders. How important is it just to determine that a rider is good enough to be on this course . Very. One of the things when i first started working on the tt, that wasnt the case. There were people coming here who were illprepared. Reporter now there is a strict protocol for wouldbe firsttime racers, and milky quayle is a key part of it. There, see . Reporter he first takes newcomers around the course in a car. So then whats going to happen is reporter then during practice week, he leads them on an actual lap to see how they perform and whether they can keep up. You ever have someone youre taking around and you go, theyre not ready . Yeah. I remember going behind when i was behind milky quayle on my initiation lap, and i actually screamed in my helmet, this is [ bleep ] crazy reporter Rennie Scaysbrook made milkys cut. An australian now living in california, he is a fulltime motorcycle journalist and a parttime racer who was invited here after winning the pikes peak race in the u. S. His first tt was last year when six riders were killed. Theres some really awful stuff that happens here. You cant sugarcoat it. But on the other side, you know, it is the most incredible place to ride a motorcycle. Like the dangers up here. The exhilaration is up here. Its so unlike anything else. You ask any motorcyclist, you say the isle of man tt, and they all know. Reporter during practice week, we met one of the ferries. The primary means of getting to the island. And watched as hundreds upon hundreds of racing fans rolled off. To accommodate the 40,000 fans who come to the race, almost every soccer and rugby field becomes a campground. And the roads, while theyre open, are clogged with riders. The fan can run off the boat, sit on the side of the road, watch the hero go past. Half an hour later after the road is open, they can ride on the same track. Its the best, bill. It is the best. Reporter there is no admission fee to watch, and the paddock is open to all. Here fans can touch the stars. But one visit to the merchandise tent there you go. Thank you very much. Cheers. Reporter is all it takes to know that this is a commercial bonanza for the isle. And make no mistake, thats what it exists for. It exists for economic reasons. It exists to bring people to our island and for no other reason. It doesnt exist because we like motorbikes. We do like motorbikes, but thats not why it exists. Reporter one rider was killed in this years tt, 46yearold spaniard raul torras martinez. That there was just one death after the six racers killed in 2022 was a relief to organizers. But also, a reminder of the risk that has run through these winding roads for more than a century. A lot of people dont grasp just how wild the event really is. I mean, im a parttime racer. I can steer a bike okay. But im not the level of these guys. I mean, they do stuff that i just go, i have no idea how you do it. Wow, thats brave thats heart in your mouth. Reporter Peter Hickman is one of those guys. This year, while winning four races, he set a new alltime speed record for a single lap. This makes me feel alive. It makes you feel alive . Yeah. 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