Transcripts For KQED Charlie Rose 20171027

Because hi gotten into it, it is so strong. Rose also this evening robert plant with a new album. Its cause and effect. You begin your plan very naively and for a guy who just sings at the sharp end of everything there is a lot of instrumentation going on around you than people far more musically tal epted than the front man am but the front man gets this great, i dont know, its like a mel ang. Rose we conclude this evening with sean baker, the director. He has a new film out called the florida project. I think my approach is very simple. The more that, the more stories that are told about marginalized communities, subcultures and minorities, the less marginalized they will be, its very simple. The Opioid Crisis, robert plant and sean baker when we continue. Funding for charlie rose is provided by the following bank of america, life better connected. And by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and Information Services worldwide. Captioning sponsored by Rose Communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. Rose we begin this evening with a focus on the opioid addiction problem. It claims over 100 lives daily. Today President Trump declared the crisis a Public Health emergency in a speech deliver add long side families affected by the Opioid Epidemic the president called it the worst drug crisis in american history. My administration is officially declaring the Opioid Crisis a national Public Health emergency under federal law. And why i am directing all executive agencies to use every appropriate Emergency Authority to fight the Opioid Crisis. This marks a critical step in confronting the extraordinary challenge that we face. The president s announcement fulfills a long time pledge to address open yoad opiate abuse but falls short of declaring a National State of emergency. Joining me now Jenna Johnson, a reporter for the washington post. Im pleased to have her here on this program this evening. Thank you for having me. Rose tell me about the president and what he is attempting to do . Well, he says that he wants to help those who are already addicted and prevent even more people from becoming addicted to opioids. And by declaring this national Public Health emergency, hes getting some of that help more quickly to people. Theyre trying to set up Telemedicine Program so People Living in isolated towns can get treatment remotely. Theyre hoping to expand the number of treatment places where those on medicaid can go and get treatment. They might make some grant money available through the department of labor, for those who are addicted and need a job. And are perhaps having trouble finding work because they have a criminal record. And so a lot of whats happening with this national Public Health emergency is that theyre trying to get help more quickly to people. One thing thats not yet happening with this is getting more money to the problem. There wasnt an awful lot of money that comes with a lot of these initiatives that he wants today. The white house is saying that he hopes that congress will step up and dedicate millions more to this fight. Experts say that it cost tens of billions of dollars to properly address this. Rose there are reasons why he didnt call it a National State of emergency. What are they . Right, so these are two different things. And he has a commission on this crisis. And they said that he could pick either one of these. If he had declared a national emergency, which is what he had said that he was going to do, that would be just like after a tornado or hurricane. Where you have targeted areas that need help very quickly and they need a lot of money very quickly. Had he done that, certain states and certain areas would have been able to apply for federal disaster dollars. The white house is saying they didnt think that route really let them do anything that they couldnt do with a Public Health emergency some of what they did was they did a Public Health emergency. This is what we did back in 2009. The Obama Administration did this when there was that influenza virus going around. And basically what this does, is it allows the department of health and Human Services to relax some of their regulations. And to make an effort to just get help out there more quickly. The white house said that they picked this option because they thought that it better addressed the issue. What difference will it make that the president says Homeland Security and the Postal Service will prevent fentanyl from coming in from china . Right, well this has been a big issue. The white house and others are looking at how are these drugs coming into the country. Those who are addicts are getting these drugs through a variety of ways. Sometimes these drugs were originally legally prescribed and then sold on a black market. In other cases, yes, theyre coming in illegally into the country in the mail. And so the white house is hoping to crack down on that with the Postal Service. This is something that is already under way, has been under way for awhile. And again, you know, just looking at every avenue possible for just trying to cut off these supply chains. Rose the president had originally tom morino was going to be the drug czar. He has withdrawn his nomination because of controversies that developed with the drig enforcement agency. Where do we expect the president , when do we expect the president to nominate another drug czar . They havent said net. And yet, and remember that were also without a Permanent Health secretary right now because tom price stepped down. Rose right. Those are two very key positions. The white house said today that these are urgent spots that the president wants to fill but they didnt give us any indication as to when we could expect so see some nominees for those positions. What did the president , what is the next step for the administration, for the federal government . Money. This all comes down to money. And a lot of advocates that we talked with today said you know what, the president can call this whatever kind of emergency he wants to call it. What we really need is more money. More money for treatment. More money to help people. Just more money. And the white house is pointing to congress to that saying theyre the ones that need to find that. So really i mean thats what were all waiting to see what can happen. These initiatives with help make a little bit of progress on top of what already is being done. But again people are saying that we need billions of dollars to really do the sweeping changes that they want. When you look at what, at the politics of this thing, how does it play . Right, well, this is an issue that is impacting the entire country. There really isnt a community that has not been affected by this Opioid Crisis. And pretty much anyone you talk to has someone that they know who has dealt with this or perhaps has died of an overdose. But this is especially hitting the states where the president won, that were very critical to his big win last year. Seats on the east coast like pennsylvania, in the midwest like ohio, indiana, a lot of these more Rural Communities that have seen jobs dry up, this is really hurting them. I talk to people in small communities who say you know, that theyre local mortgage wear is having more teuary is having a tard time keeping up with the bodies showing up. This say death rate small communities cant keep up with. And it is young people, the people that were supposed to be the future of these communities. Soo this is something that is really hurting trump country, its really hurting the president s supporters and hes hearing from them. And hes hearing they want him to take care of this problem. To follow through on his Campaign Promise to make this go away. Jenna, thank you so much. Of course, thank you for having me. Rose Jenna Johnson from the washington post. Back in a moment. We continue our discussion on the opioid cries business a distinguished panel of experts from bethesda dr. Nora volkow, direct are of the National Institute on drug abuse at the National Institutes of health. From boston dr. Lipi roy, an addiction medicine physician and clinical assistant professor at nyu also the former chief of addiction medicine at likers island and with me in new york is peter santoro. He is the Vice President of the Lower East Side service. I am pleased to have each of them on this program. So tell me where we are today. We have spoken to what the president said. Tell me where we are today in terms of Opioid Crisis and whats necessary in your judgement to get our hands around this. Its worse than its ever been. You know i work for an agency in the city, the Lower East Side service thats been fighting this battle for the last 58 years. And there was a time when it was confined to areas in new york city like the Lower East Side and harlem and parts of brooklyn but its changed. Now that its affected everyone, the affluent, the white, its in wonderful areas like long island, stateden island, scarsdale. Its. Rose as much in rural areas as urban quaries. Absolutely. It used to be confined to these pockets of minorities. It isnt that way any more. Things have changed. More people are using opiates today than ever before. The cdc reported recently that about 140 people overdose every day. Think about, 140 people overdose every day. Its a complex problem. And i think. Rose almost Everybody Knows somebody. Absolutely. Rose thats been a victim. This is the thing that people dont talk about. People dont talk about this because its embarrassing, its shameful. Now adays though i condition think, ive been in this field for quite some time, i cant think of anyone i talked to that isnt affected directly by this or indirectly thraw a friend, a family member. And i find that people are talking about it more than they ever have talked about it before. Rose dr. Volkow how did we get here . Well, we got here actually probably like 25, 30 years ago, perhaps, the good intentions of trying to treat paishes that were suffering from pain. But without the sufficient knowledge and we became complacent and started to overprescribe opiate medications under that belief, that if a patient has pain, they would not become addicted. And under the belief that you could actually increase the doses of those opioids to very high levels without risking the life of the patient. And unfortunately, neither of those two things has turned out to be right. And we, the overprescription on the one hand lend to die version of these medications, that then when they seek sowt for getting high. But also we started to find the patients being treated for pain were becoming addicted and some of them actually overdosing. So we became complacent, and on the other hand we have the need of many, 20, 25 Million People in the United States that suffer from chronic pain daily. And thats a huge number. And it can be quite devastating. Rose i read somewhere that one in ten people who get surgery in this country, one in ten, will go on to become a continued opioid user. Yeah, so its interesting. So my father was just hospitalized for a bad viral infection. And one of the nurse there told me that what she is seeing right now is that people in genuine pain are actually now being underprescribed pain, so i agree with dr. Volkow in that people, there are many patients in whom opioid pain killers are actually clinically indicated. My concern now is that the pendulum is swinging too far the other way and that patients who are who clinically are indicated to get opioid pain killers arent getting it. Now having said that, you know again i agree with dr. Volkow, doctors just dont have the training this that they need to properly and appropriately prescribe medications. I have addiction expert pow but truth be told i never learned any of this during medical school or residency and i went to really good institutions. Everything that i have learned and am talking about now has been all onthejob training. Where at likers where over 50 of the men and women have Substance Abuse issues and previously when i was a doctor to bostons Homeless Population among whom the leading cause of death was drug overdose. All of these things prompted me to learn more about addiction but doctors, turns they really never got any of this training and hence the misprescribing that happened, its not surprising. Is it changing what they teach at medical schools today because of the realization that no one understood how to deal with pain . Yeah so thats a great question. So federal organizations and agencies like samson, nida, nih and organizations like the American Society for addiction medicine, theyre all really recognizing the strong need to educate medical institutes and trainees, residents now in addiction and understanding that the brain biology and how substances like alcohol, heroin, and other opiates like perk sets, oxycodone, how they bind to parts of the train that control decision making, craving, you know, the amigdala the emotional center, the fight or flight. These drugs, these substances are hijacking the brain and preventing people from really controlling their behavior. Rose dr. Volkow, how long ago it was when i first met you, because of your expertise in the area of addiction,. What are we learning today. Well, weve learned an enormous amount with how drugs exactly can hijack, that term is very, very apropos, hijack circuits that are there from evolution for us to survive as a species and as individuals, take them over and trigger adaptations, new pathways that favor the search of the drug, the motivation to take that drug at the expense of everything else. And we have learned among other things that this changes produced by drugs are very longlasting. So when you stop taking the drugs and you say okay, i dont have any problem at all, that is not correct. The changes are still there. And that is why when were discussing addiction as a disease of the brain, we discuss that its a chronic disease of the brain and why in the treatment interventions what we actually are, what the evidence show is effective is a continuous care for addiction just like you have for hyperteng or diabetes. You are not going to be able to cure it, not now unfortunately. But we can treat it. And patients can recover and lead very normal lives. Rose you have gone through this, you know this first hand. I know this first hand. Its what i bring to the table, im sober almost 27 years. When i was going through my darkest days which were 27, 28 years ago, i lost everything. I mean what opiates did to me i couldnt do for myself. I gave it away, it was more important than my wife, pie daughter, my money. I measure myself. Rose because of the pain. Well, because i had gotten into it and i couldnt get out of it. It is so strong, i mean, you know it is a brain disease and im glad we are putting that on the table. Wanted to. I didnt want to lose everything. I didnt want to lose my dignity, may respect, i didnt want to lose my daughter who was so precious to me. But the draw on drugs, its sort of like you know, do you want the drugs or do you want your daughter, you have a choice, well i want both but i need the drugs to be with my daughter. You cant compete with this. It is the most powerful thing out there. You know, i consider myself one of the lucky ones. Anyone can get sober, you can put someone in likers island for a couple of months will you get sober. Simple, you will get sober. This isnt about getting sober t is how do we stay sober. How do you put a day together and go to the second day, third day, what do you do, how do you get out of that quick sand, that thing that is il canning us. First of all, treatment works. And people need to understand that. Charlie, i went to nine different Treatment Centers, nine different Treatment Centers from shortterm of a week to two weeks to longterm, to 30 days to the last Treatment Center i went with, the same organization i work for, the Service Center has a longterm Treatment Center, i went in there and i went in there for three and a half years. Rose three and a half years. Three and a half years, now everyone doesnt have to go to treatment for three and a half years. Money was different then. There were guys, women that lived in treatment for four and five years it was a different culture and there was more money available. But the point is if someone had sort of cut this off at the second Treatment Center or third Treatment Center and given up and saids not paying for, this i wouldnt be here today. The truth is every time a person relapses its one step closer to them either getting sober or dying. So i know what i have. The disease is vicious. Rose you say i know what i have. I know what i have. And i know who i am. You know, i might not want to be a drug addict, at least i know thats what i have. There is a. Rose you are a diked to a drug. And the only thing i have to do for this is just not drink and not drugs. And im giving this line, to do what what i am doing now. Rose what do you do now, what happens at the Lower East Side Service Center . Lower east side Service Center is a wonderful organization, its been in business for many years. We deal with people who have opiate problems, hiv aids, mental illness. We have a long term Treatment Center. What we have in the center is an opiate addicted pregnant women, there are weim on the street doing opiates, doing heroin and after a month or two of being pregnant they realize they have to do something. They can come to us, live in our Treatment Center at the time they are pregnant. Have their baby at bell view and then come back and live with us up to a year in a safe environment where we will taper them off the drugs they are on and teach them how to take care of their infant. Remarkable it is a unique program. We have been in existence 58 years but have had this particular program for about 16 or 17 years now. Rose dr. Volkow what do you think of the president talking about nih and taking the first steps towards a Public Private partnership to develop nonaddictive alternatives and treatments. Well, this is very Important Initiative that we have been working on since the beginning of the summer. And dr. Francis has been a great leader here. The idea is that were going to solve this crisis by everybody getting involving it and that involves the government, of course. But also industry. And industry can play an extremely important role. And on two fronts. One of them we started with this crisis because we didnt have sufficiently good pain medications that, so ergo we need better pain medications. And the science is out there to take them and develop them into products which is what pharma does. So how can we get that partnership between pharmaceuticals and the government and very importantly, the patients under because the other one says what do they need to move this forward. The other area which is as important is how can we develop new formlations for medications that can help people a diked to opiods be able to recover. So i mean it was mentioned, imagine what it is to be addicted to heroin and you have to go on a daily basis to metadoan clinic and it is one hour away. You have to go every day the decision, am i going to go to the treatment or not, thats very complex. So how about giving a medication that you can take every week or every month so that they can actually prevent you from overdosing, prevent you from relapsing. And we have that technology. So how come, again, create these partnership to advance this type of research. And i a third very important area that we have been discussing is how do we also create better treatment interventions that are more affecting in overdoses, now you hear the lacing of heroin with very potent synthetic analogs like fentanyl where paishes are required three or four doses, so can we develop more potent, longer lasting that can protect and revert patients better. Or medications, if you are a high risk person, they can give it to you such that if you are, if it basically decreases your risk of overdosing. I mean this is why we have the foundation, this is why we have science. Because science transforms the way that we solve problems. I mean medicine thats what we have done for other diseases. Let me turn to dr. Roy. Give me your assessment of what the president said and where you think we need to focus on the future. Yes. So i believe that the president s message is one in moving in the right direction. We serm need funding but lets be clear. There are people right now that are struggling and dying of a disease that is preventible. Its not a mystery. We know how to treat people with opioid addiction. There are three fda approved medications now, including metadoan or sub db ocodne. Of the millions of americans only 10 access treatment. Can you imagine that if i was told only 10 of pie diabetic patients gets treatment. That means the rest would be dying of heart disease, stroke and kidney failure and i would probably lose my medical license but for Substance Abuse, the 10 getting treatment, we seem to be fine with that. It is unacceptable. We need to get people the treatment they need, lifesaving medications but we need to intervene at several stages. Obviously that late stage where people are actively overdosing and dying so they need to get nar can but we also need to be able to treat as i said before both medications and counseling. But also we need to have better tools to screen and diagnose so training doctors to make sure they recognize and do that. And then also prevention. I would be remiss if we didnt really focus on the roots of addiction which is really pain and suffering, for as long as human beings exist, pain and suffering will exist. And if we dont address the pain and suffering people will continue to selfmedication medicate. I like what the doctor said but let me add this to it. Part of this he kaition that has to be taken into consideration is the stigma and embarrassment and shame it is the elephant in the living room and no one wants to talk about it. The reason i come on this show and share such a personal story is perhaps it gives hope to people out there. The doctor is absolutely right. There is such a small amount of people, small percentage of people that get the help. So when i come on, a show like yours, someone else is in recovery for a significant amount of time, it reminded the viewing audience look, there is hope. Whether its one Treatment Center youve gone into, or nine Treatment Centers, if someone comes on and says im sober three years or five years, one can come on and say im looking at 27 years there is hope and this is what i have to do. Hopefully someone is listening saying maybe i can do something. Maybe i should pick up the phone there is treatment. We need more money for it but there are Treatment Centers available today. Its the stigma. Someone has to connect the Treatment Center with the person. I think with the viewing audience needs to hear at least from me is there is a tremendous amount of hope. With without hope were desperate. I know what that is like, at the end it was really there were really dark days and show i never gave up with the grate of god w some good fortune i got sober and have been able to stay sober. I hope someone listens to me. Knows its possible. Says if hes on there, hes sober with his terrible bottom t is the most personal story, most impactful story i can share with you tonight. I really commend this gentleman because first of all i congratulate him on his recovery and i cant emphasize enough how stories, storytelling and stories of success like this gentleman and the work hes doing at Lower East Side Service Center, we need far more organizations like this to provide care. So science, and evidencebased data from people like dr. Volkow and me and then stories of recovery from the gentleman from Lower East Side Service Center. Thats what we need. On that thank you so much. Thank you very much for joining us. Thank you. Peter. Thank you. Thank you, charlie. Back in a moment. Stay with us. Robert plant is here, best known as the front man of one of the most successful bands in rock history lead zeplin, Rolling Stone magazine ranked plant the number one lead singer of all time. His solo career has spanned three and a half decades and 11 albums. His newest album is called carry fire. The New York Times call it quote a swirling mix of deep blush, mountain music, north african rhythms and glepelynn like heavyweights, here is a look at the single blue birds over the mountain. Blue birds over the mountain. Eagles over the sea. Blue birds over the mountain. Bring nothing back to me. Rose did you simply know, Leonard Cohen talked about this, just knew at some point he had a great voice. Not a perfect voice but a breat voice that people want to hear. Well, something was going on. And i dont know what it was but i was infatuated by how differently you could, with the aid of some sonic device, it could be, i dont know, a glass room or Something Like that. I could hear Something Else going on outside of the spoken voice and outside of just singing on my bicycle. I heard this other voice coming through. And yeah i was infatuated by t i guess, goodness knows how i could have put it into any other shape. People notice too, and the more people notice the more it wants you to figure it out. Sure. Its cause and effect. You begin your plan very naively and for a guy who just sings, at the sharp end of everything, right, theres a lot of instrumentation going on around you with people who are far more musically talented than usually than the front man. But the front man get this great, i dont know, its like a mel ang. I can pick out all sorts of resonances that these guys are creating and i can just mimic, can i slide through it, mimic it. I can join in, i can pull back. Rose so they give you with the sound a place to carry this. Sure. And the nrches. Or maybe the space. Rose or even how to use it. Yes, yeah. Well, in the early days of zeplin i found this whole thing of mimicry, and a following no taition from the guitar, whatever it was, to just try and get in with some phrasing, some very rude scat along way from oscar baron, jr. And people like that. But something which, it gave me something to do in some very, very long solos as well am i could just come in and come out, long sustained notes and flurries and sometimes gibberish rose you are celebrating your 50th year led zeppelin, next year. It is true, 1968 there was a collision of mind and the gifts. And so but that was 37 years ago that ceased. Rose has it been that long, 37 years ago. But 50 years ago it came together. Yeah. In 1968. Yeah. Rose describe it how you just did, a could kolician of. Sound, mind, intention, energy, that whole boom. When we were, you know, when we were really young everything was boom. Rose it was, dont remind me. A lot of things boom tood soon. Rose but here you come and take home in 2014, a grammy for best rock album. Yeah. Rose still doing it. Yeah. Rose still doing it. Yeah, you know, theres a lot of romance about it too. Because it didnt blow itself out of the water. It didnt go on too long, you know it just stopped. Rose you mean led zeppelin. Yeah. Rose just stopped. That was the deal when we dot together at the beginning, that would be it, if we couldnt carry on as four of us, that would be it. When youve only got four people its very difficult to start thinking about full time replacements. Rose do you ever listen that music. Yeah, sometimes. Rose you do. How did this come about, carry fire that picture though. Yeah, some people said thats a good picture and i said but who is it. Rose you like it, dont you. Yeah, its good. It looks a little more stern than i actually am. Rose how did it come about . Well, we worked, the same guys i have been working with on and off since 2001. And in effect this is our fourth adventure together w a little bit of changing personnel. And we, we worked around the world with a previous record. I had spent some time living in the United States. And when i finally went back to britain we reconvened, we got back together to see if we had any mutuality left. Rose this came out of it. There is the seconded one, this is the first time we were talking this morning, the first time i made a record with the same people twice since about 18977, i think. More or less, yeah. So we just find this great place to be together, you know, its very expressive. Rose and what about carry fire. Well, thats a tough job but we all do it, you know. Its marking time and all the cause and effect that you leave around you. And you have to go back and put some of it right and stuff that is right you have to make it even more relevant and powerful. Rose who wrote these . The combination of a sensational space shifters, my chums and myself, yeah. Rose do you write these collectively. Yeah. Rose sit down at a table like this and. Not so lavish as this. Rose yeah, well right. A tiny little room and lots of ideas, each one of these guys has his own studio stet set up and works around the globe in other projects too, every time we say we have enough material, that is interesting enough to put into the calderon, we convene, we get together and play it out. Rose i read where you said that there are not many front men left. And you named three. You, mick and rod stewart. A front man is what by definition. The guy who cant hide, you know, somebody who is stuck right up, the sharp end. I mean there are of course lots of other people around. But from our era in britain, those two guys were around a little bit before me. But and there is roger dal tree from the who, there are a lot of us. I dont know why we dont have some kind of annual get together rdz i think you should. Of misery. Rose i think you should have a celebration. Up the corner. But you know, it would take a long time. Rose i would like to come to that party. I would like to see who would buy the drinks. But i mean its a skill that is beyond voice too, isnt it. Yeah. Rose i mean its a presence. Yeah. Rose you know, cuz you cant hide. To a degree in days of yor but there was quite a bit more onus on musicality. Bands, it wasnt just about the song. Rose you said somewhere youve got to do it. And also i got to do it in the first place. Rose you got to do it now youve got to do it. Do you sing when nobodys listening. Oh yeah. Ive got various sort of songs, all through time that have come back to me. I was a huge fan of benny king. And when he was with the drifters an when he left the drifters and did all that, dont play that song and all that stuff. My mom, my mother was not keen on me singing, perhaps she knew better than most am but she gave way when it came to being a king son. I always used to sing so many great songs. I think Atlantic Records in the zeppelin days we were signed to Atlantic Records which for us as British Musicians was beyond. Rose this was early i assume. Yeah. And off we went, we were in i mean our label stable mates were everybody from the coasters, the drifters, modern jazz quartets, crosby stills nash, ray charles. Obviously atlantic had decided there was more revenue probably from getting a few of these english bands over. And i think a lot of the holy looked upon on its decisions and jerry wechsler to some degree as being a little bit off bean. They signed drusy springfield which was a great coup, jerry had worked on hatment but we were really, really in great company. And i got to know benny king very well. Rose but that is a direct line, everybody who i ever talked to from the British Music scene, there was sort of a direct line from wherever they were, london or liverpool or wherever they were, to the blues in america. Yeah, yeah, magazine fif sent and still is. Every morning for me, straight on it. Just to get the day going. Rose do you really . Yeah. Rose who is on your play list. Well, there is a guy called blind lemon jefferson, actually from texas. And hes got a song called match box which carl perkins borrowed and the beatles took it later on. It is vus one of the most amazing displays of singing and playing the guitar. Rose i will hear that before the night is over. I tell you what, it is kind of the ring of life coming through in a recording from 1929. I mean its just fantastic, yeah. Rose you want to be indblged into the rock n roll hall of fame as a solo artist . Is that a good place to be really . Rose i dont know, im asking. I dont know. Im not sure about the validity of it all, really. I dont know. I think i have already had enough gom, really, not enough room for the ribbons on my chest. Rose yes, thats true. When i went to Buckingham Pal az. Rose put them on your back. Start having them under my armings. I went to Buckingham Palace and a kid said i cant do go, there and my kid say how else will we see inside. You have to go and get your gong, dad. So i did, and as im be sta be in the line im in the Public Gallery and i see my three kids. I had never seen them looking so smart. Rose robert plant, carry fire, thank you for coming. A great pleasure to see you again. Rose really, you too. Thanks. Rose sean bake certificate here, his 2015 film tang written chronicled a day in the life of two transgender prostitutes. The film which was shot entirely on an iphone received a wide spread acclaim. The new film the florida project is set in a mot el pop lated with impoverished families outside of walt di knee world. Anthony lane of the new yorker writes that baker has taken an unregarded thread of American Life and spun something rousing, raucous and sad. Here is a look at the trailer. 38 dollar a date. Okay, one drip and youre out. Come on. Out now. Baby. Out. Thank you very much. Youre not welcome. The man lives here these are the ones were not supposed to go in, but lets go anyways. Could you give us some chaj please. The doctor said we have asthma and we got to eat ice cream right away. Here you go. Got a situation here, open up. Only second week of the summer and there has already been a dead fish in the pool. Were trying to get it back alive. I failed as a mother. You have not, youre just great. New job . Yeah. If you are working, whos looking after mommy. Youre not my father. I dont want to be your father. You cant treat me like this. You dont think Everybody Knows what is up hailey. Everybody. I can always tell when adults are about to cry. Why is my mom yelling. Theyre just talking. I took you on a safari. Lets go, come on. Have a fies day. Love you. I love you too. Im pleased to have sean baker at this table for the first time, welcome. Thank you very much, thanks for having me. Rose what is it you think that is instructive about the lives and capturing the way you do in the stories you tell of People Living on the margin . Well, i think i approach each film, each film is a response to what i am not seeing, i think, in contemporary film and tv. At least in u. S. Cinema. Not enough of. And i have think my approach to it is very simple. Its the more that, the more stories that are told about marginalized communities, subcultures and minorities, the less marginalized they will be. Its very simple. And with each film of mine. Because what . Because of what, because. In other words f you show stories about their lives, they will become less marginalized because people then understand more about them and something will change about them . Its about putting a human face on perhaps communities that we often look out from a distance or are hidden. I, my coscreen writer and i, my coscreen writer chris and have i attempted at least with the last four films to tell very universal stories that might be set in locations or in a subculture that normally isnt focused on in that way. And i think by telling a universe story, showing the Common Threads that make us all one, make us human, i think, i think what it does is that audiences, it expand as people, it allows audiences to say oh, okay, well, i can identify with this person even though i never thought i would ever be able to. They are outside of my circle. And i think its just one step towards allowing our. Rose that were all the same. Exactly. Rose tell me about the florida project. Had you been interested of the likes of the people you portrayed here . Well, i disn know about their lives. I didnt know about the issue of the hidden homeless quite honestly until my coscreen writer brought it to my attention. He had sent me articles from local news media focusing on this area kiss i me orlando, florida, and this juxtaposition of children growing up in mot els, living in budget mot els right outside of the tourist capitol of the world and the place we consider the most magical place on earth for children. So i was obviously taken about taken aback by these articles. And knew that there was something in there in which we could, that we could find a fictionalized story, a story line in there. Focusing on the lives of these individuals. But and also the fact that you know, this scruks ta position having, focusing on the children because the clirn obviously is what made that juxtaposition so, you know, sad and real. So we, and have i always actually wanted to meak a film about children. Ive been very inspired and influenced by the little rass catting rascals, if you think about what they were, they were these comic shorts set about the Great Depression in which most of the characters were living in poverty. But the focus was on kids being kids. The behavioral humor of children and. Set against the background of the Great Depression and living in poverty. Exactly. And so but i actually thought this would be our opportunity to make almost an updated or a present day little rascals. And focusing on one little girl in particular. A little girl by the name of moony, a six year old, rambunctious little six year old. Rose lets see moony right now, this is william da foa telling moony and her friends theyre causing too much trouble at the mot el. Here it is. I got a videotape of the kid illegally entering the utility room. Ive dot quns if it happens again, youre out of here, only second week of the summer and there has already been a dead fish in the pool. We were doing an experiment. We were trying to get it back alive. That was my idea. And water balloons thrown as tourists. They didnt tip us. Are you serious, oh my god there sun acceptable. I failed a a mother, mondaya. You disgraced me. Yeah, mom, you are are a disgrace. Im going to talk to ashley by the way, when your friend puts new charge of her kid, that kid becomes your responsibility. You aint taking responsibility. And you got that one too, from futureland, right. You got to relax, my man. You going to redo my expense reports, your kid killed my night. Wanted to watch the ballgame. You are going to pay me for three hours that i got to work later. Hey guys, pay the man for his three hours. I dont have any money. I dont have any money. Rose william disa foa, great casting. Hes ingred inkrdable, incred tobl work with, hes transform tiff. He really became this character, bobby. And so honored to have worked with him. Rose in doing research you went to a lot of mot els. Yes, we did. Rose lacking for what. Just for information. We were from outside of that world. And we needed to, i dont we wanted to, well, we approached this in a very journalistic way. We would just interview people. We would go and see who was interested in telling their stories or giving pfertion about the route 192 which is where this was shot. An this involved us speaking to residents at the mot els, the Small Business owners, some of the mot el managers. And some of the agencies that actually provided social services. To the to people in need in the area. And there was one, it was actually one man in particular. A mot el manager who really opened up his world to us. In a way he was our passport in. He wanted, he felt that this was a story that should be told. And. Rose like the people who. Yeah, about see he was actually, he was actually managing one of these budge mot els directly across the streat from the magic castle mot el where we shot. And he, he was, he had, was in a very tough position when he was actually working there. It has since closed. But he had compassion for the families. And the kids who were there. He understood the struggles they were going through. And yet he, you know, had a job, a job he had to hold on to. And he knew that perhaps any night he might have to he vic one of these families and put them on the street if they couldnt come up with the nightly rate. And so it was a tough position for him. I could see this obvious, this compassion but i also saw a distance that he would keep from them. And it was like a reluctant parental figure in many ways am i saw it not only with him but a few of the other Hotel Managers that we met. And i think it very much inspired our bobby character. Was it locals wary of you being there . Yes, of course at first. You know, they didnt know how we were going to depict the area. We did have people asking us our, about our approach to it. And then also just you know you have your parents who from the local mot els, some of the residents. Not trusting us at first. They had to, we are had to basically gain their trust. And but i think by the time we were actually shooting for the most part at least with the mot els we were shooting at and the agencies we were working with, we were in a very, it was very collaborative. And in a place where i felt that the people who wanted to be involved had a very enthusiastic approach to it. They wanted us to do it correctly. Some people take a note of the fact you dont have a lot of Plot Development here it is almost a sense you are living with these people and most summers dont have a plot. Thats right, that is how i say am if you look back at the summer of your youth, the summers of your youth, they are not exactly, they dont have a three act structure, right. Now there is a three act structure in there but it is disguised and the lines are blurred. And so you know, some odd yengs members who want heavy plotted, heavy plotted story, might not be able to see it on the surface but its there. Rose the casting of moony. She is brooklyn prince, that is her name that she was born with, already a hollywood name, brooklyn disz n with two n, honestly. I really honestly believe that shes a prodigy. She is honestly one of the most incredible actors i have ever worked with of any age. Rose because she has what . She understands the craft of acting, shes now seven. But six when we had shot. And to watch her work, was really incredible. She was holding her own with willemdafoe. She was able to, first off i said i wasnt going to make this film unless i found the present day spanky mcfarland. We were getting worried, too close to production. I thought we might have to put the production on hold unless we found this little girl. She walks into the audition ram one day. Rose where from. Shes local. She was orlandobased. And i was very particular about that. I wanted the kids to all about from the local area. So a local casting company by the name of crowd shot had her in their database. And suggested we see her. And she walked into the room. And within seconds won us over. She had those qualities that spanky had. You know, the energy and the wit and the cuteness, the little puffy cheeks. But we had no idea that she was going to be able to deliver such an incredibly emotional performance as well. And she goes to places in which she had to is without giving spoilers away, she has to deliver tears, she has to get, you know, she really has to deliver an emotional pomance. And i think that she truly, she does that, and in a way that she understood her character. She understood the predictment and the sirks that. Rose she is your protagonist. Yes, yeah. And i truly put her in the same camp as jodi foster or micky rooney, a child actor who was born to do this and loves it so incredibly much that i think shell have a very bright future. Just a little anecdote. We would have limited number of hours to work with our children every day because of child labor laws, obviously. And we would get to the end of the day and it was like okay, brooklyn, you have to go. And she would be upset that she had to go every day because she truly loved acting, yes. Rose what is your next movie. You know, i know my agents will probably hate that im saying this on national television. But i dont have one yet. We really want to see this film out properly. And have a social campaign behind it. I would love to see the local agency that we worked with, the Community Hope center, hope 192. Org, actually be able to develop an Affordable Housing complex on their property. I mean thats, housing is a fundamental human right. This is what the film, the message were trying to get across even though were delivering it in a way that is in a comedy package. We want audiences to go home think being the real moonies, think being the real haileys and thinking about what they can do perhaps in their own community to help really make a change. Rose for Affordable Housing. Exactly. Rose good luck. Thank you, seanment thank you for joink us, see you next time. For more about this program and earlier episodes visit us online at pbs. Org and charlie rose. Com. Captioning sponsored by Rose Communications captioned by Media Access Group at wgbh access. Wgbh. Org rose funding for charlie rose has been provided by and by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and Information Services worldwide. Youre watching pbs. Martha stewart are you eager to learn how to update your Favorite Recipes with better for you ingredients from the modern pantry . Then you wont want to miss this season of martha bakes. 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